Scientists discover the soul

great discovery...NOT made by little children.

I must be stupid.

just dont get it!

Scientists discover the 'soul'?

I 'think' I've seen this movie before.

The theologians created the 'soul' out of nothing.

Then they created theologies which both motivate and 'justify' genocide of other religionists.

Then the scientists come in and create the weapons of mass destruction to achieve the annihilation of millions of people for theological 'reasons', and 'justified' by even more theological 'reasons'.

Both the scientific paradigm and the monotheistic religious paradigm are facing annihilation; the scientific paradigm because of its inability to understand consciousness; and the monotheistic religious paradigm because of its determined unwillingness to acknowledge that Isaiah, Daniel, Jesus and Mohammed taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

So, this 'marriage of convenience'--the scientists 'discovering the 'soul''--is for the purpose of mutual self-preservation...

At the expense, however, of human civilization, most likely.

Michael

The question that I wonder from 3d and dimensiontards is why dont we have memories of the 2d world or know that we from the 2d world. Saying that we do, we dream. I was going to say it would be crazy if we did live in the 2d world and another world entwined with ours or even a being walked past our vision, then back to the dream, at one level of our conciousness maybe one is the true 2d but then what if the dream world is the means to leap to the 5 world. Sleeping is like a rhythm and we dont know why everything needs to sleep. How far back do all the stars go before you find beings that dont need to sleep. I suppose a being that never had to sleep would be a dimension above in a sense.

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What do you mean by the word "we" here?

Who precisely are you speaking for?

You are not speaking for me, for example...

Or Buddha, or Jesus, or J. Krishnamurti, for example.

Michael

4q is saying its BIGGER THAN JUST THE PHYSICAL WORLD, of which scientist can only examine

No, your not stupid. They are using circular reasoning to prove themselves. It would only make sense to the retarded.

Not precisely "bigger than".

Just beyond or prior to the physical world, being non-spatial and non-temporal.

In other words, the concepts of time and space cannot be applied to it at all

Michael

prior or after discovering the warm water and the wheel ?

The soul scientifically was discovered decades ago.

When a human is dying he exhales his last breath and instantly is 23 grams lighter than he was before.

It always have been 23 grams (instantly after dying).

So... all have somthing in common when all loose exactly 23 grams.


I heard that in the heart there is a little place of pure light and enormous heat.
It's said that that's the place where the souls resides.

You mean 21 grams?

I rememebr 23 grams, could be 21 grams.
I am not sure.

(sigh)

You're using philosophical babel as evidence. Not science. Utter tosh.

That's some funny shit since a "soul" (nephesh) is a living,breathing creature. Now spirit is a whole different matter!

Its 21 grams.

Hahahahahaha...

Being a retired respiratory therapist, I would say that there has been an error in measurement, first of all.

But what is being measured is, I would suspect, something referred to as the expiratory reserve volume; which is the amount of air left in the lungs after a complete expiration.

Just sayin'.

Michael

Well, it is not philosophical.

Nor do I claim it as science in the first place.

Consciousness is beyond the paradigm of the scientific method because the scientific method relies upon only one of the three dimensions of consciousness: the consciousness of the 'thinker'; completely disregarding not only the consciousness of the "self"; but, also, the "observing consciousness" of the Buddhist esoteric traditions.

Michael

'beyond' actually can be proven scientifically, if we accept Subjective Science as such.

For example.
Do such and such steps and you will have such and such experience which cannot be measured with any scientific tool.


Since scientific tools came out of thoughts, how can we assume that we SOMETIME in the future will find answers about the source of the source(thought) of the scientific tool? It is purely bullshit. Created will never be able to look into the creator. Dissolving into the creator is, on the other hand, quite a different story.

The consciousness Created by God can observe the origin of both the "beast of the sea" consciousness of the "self" and the "beast of the earth" consciousness of the 'thinker', both of which were self-created rather than being Created by the Creator. This is what John is doing in the Revelation of John.

This can be observed.

The statement about "dissolving" is merely an image created by the "self" based upon the image of the "self" in the first place. In other words, it is self-created; and, as such, is an illusion.

Michael

Last Edited by 4Q529 on 02/13/2013 10:04 AM

That is a plausable explanation...

But, it does not account for why the measurement is always the same... At least, that is what I am assuming, as people are saying it is always 21 grams...

My source of information, non-religious and non-scientific has indicated - at the time of death, a persons spirit stream compresses, and the entire life of this incarnation passes before ones eyes...

Then the spirit stream is fully immersed on the astral without passing through the filters of the body...

Note:

We are already in the astral, but the body filters make it difficult to percieve, unless the person is very psychic...