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Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
First of all i just want to start out by saying that im not here to make anyone upset or angry. Neither am i doing this to confuse you, or to pick on your beliefs. My motives are my own =) All i want is a good discussion.

Here goes;

Why do almost all spiritual people say that we need ''balance''? Why is this a ''slogan'' ?

Why do people say that we cant have too much of a feeling, because it needs to be balanced?

I just cant find a logical answer for this, i seriously cant!

And im really starting to belive that this is just pure bullshit.

Bullshit to put us down!

Bullshit to fool us away from our true powers.

The balance you are talking about is everywhere around you. This world is in a ''negative mess'' at the moment, you are the opposite catalysator of joy, and this is the ''balance''.

You dont need x amount of negativity to be spirituality positive!
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Addictions to chemicals generated by the body is still addictions 1dunno1

But new-agers have it wrong too anyway, it's not "Balance", it's "The middle way"
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Addictions to chemicals generated by the body is still addictions 1dunno1

But new-agers have it wrong too anyway, it's not "Balance", it's "The middle way"
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Why is it the middle way?

I thought it was about MY way =)
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Re: Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
I don't understand how your title connects to the post itself. How have thinkers hijacked spirituality?

And by saying you can't find a logical answer, aren't you placing yourself in the "thinking" camp?

Not trying to be confrontational, truly just wondering...
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Addictions to chemicals generated by the body is still addictions 1dunno1

But new-agers have it wrong too anyway, it's not "Balance", it's "The middle way"
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Why is it the middle way?

I thought it was about MY way =)
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Not too hot, not too cold! The middle way!

The point is to be able to deal with things as they are without being blinded by flares of whatever emotional responses, in order to not have to waste time thinking, just direct and proper function with proper wisdom.
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Addictions to chemicals generated by the body is still addictions 1dunno1

But new-agers have it wrong too anyway, it's not "Balance", it's "The middle way"
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Why is it the middle way?

I thought it was about MY way =)
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


Not too hot, not too cold! The middle way!

The point is to be able to deal with things as they are without being blinded by flares of whatever emotional responses, in order to not have to waste time thinking, just direct and proper function with proper wisdom.
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I thought spirituality was about being able to control your own mind.

So why do we need slogans like this?

Why, why , why do i need to feel ''hate'' in my life to express love?

Why cant i as a spiritual being control this myself? I definetly should be able to from what it takes to get here.

I feel that this rule is saying that whatever you learned is bullshit, now go live your life as you did before =)

If i put it very long out on the edge that is ^^
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Re: Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
I don't understand how your title connects to the post itself. How have thinkers hijacked spirituality?

And by saying you can't find a logical answer, aren't you placing yourself in the "thinking" camp?

Not trying to be confrontational, truly just wondering...
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What im trying to say in short is that i dont even think a fraction of the people claiming to be spiritually awaken, really are =)
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I think the thinkers are beginning to feel true spirituality and are still trying to rationalize it from a "right-handed" perspective.
When the thinkers begin to experience the sacred power of positivity... and feed on nutritious thoughts of the spiritual... they will become "Spiritual Thinkers" ... spiritual first , thinkers second... Call them guru's or whatever ; they've existed amongst the oldest unbroken cultures known to us... probably for a reason.

I think we're on our way ... but then again I'm thinking, with power of positive thinking ...
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I like to think over my feelings, while others seem to be more inclined to feel their think overs.

Last Edited by RaXz on 02/06/2013 07:45 PM
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I think the thinkers are beginning to feel true spirituality and are still trying to rationalize it from a "right-handed" perspective.
When the thinkers begin to experience the sacred power of positivity... and feed on nutritious thoughts of the spiritual... they will become "Spiritual Thinkers" ... spiritual first , thinkers second... Call them guru's or whatever ; they've existed amongst the oldest unbroken cultures known to us... probably for a reason.

I think we're on our way ... but then again I'm thinking, with power of positive thinking ...
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Very well put =)
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I like to think over my feelings, while others seem to be more inclined to feel their think overs.
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Could you explain this a little better?

I love to hear the ''differences'' people feel they have, i think we can learn alot from it =)
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Re: Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
goodevilWhy, why , why do i need to feel ''hate'' in my life to express love?

Why cant i as a spiritual being control this myself? I definetly should be able to from what it takes to get here.

I feel that this rule is saying that whatever you learned is bullshit, now go live your life as you did before =)

If i put it very long out on the edge that is ^^
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Why Why Why you say because you are the Why that is stuck in the middle of the ups and the downs in the light and in the dark is who we are when we stand in the shadow of a tree or out in full sun does that not tell us who we are?



goodevil


We are the WHY that are stuck between the two... :)

The middle ground is to be nutrul now that's spiritual
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the number 1 problem is the complete inability to distinguish between the mental realms (illusion) and the realms of form (true existence)

even 99.9% of those who consider themselves "illumined" are not capable of this

from a cause and effect perspective, that's where it begins and where it ends, as in write your own tickets, round n round she goes

bullshit central
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Why Why Why you say because you are the Why that is stuck in the middle of the ups and the downs in the light and in the dark is who we are when we stand in the shadow of a tree or out in full sun does that not tell us who we are?

goodevil

We are the WHY that are stuck between the two... :)

The middle ground is to be nutrul now that's spiritual
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33829725


Im not stuck anywhere, im not living after ''balance''.

I am living for 100# happiness.

Its a big difference!

Im trying to understand others here, not myself. I am not stuck!
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Addictions to chemicals generated by the body is still addictions 1dunno1

But new-agers have it wrong too anyway, it's not "Balance", it's "The middle way"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314


Why is it the middle way?

I thought it was about MY way =)
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Balance as in harmony. Everything that is in harmony is healthy. Musical harmony sounds good, disharmony is painful. Color disharmony is painful. harmony good.
Balance is harmony. the harmony you create is your middle way.
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Re: Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
the number 1 problem is the complete inability to distinguish between the mental realms (illusion) and the realms of form (true existence)

even 99.9% of those who consider themselves "illumined" are not capable of this

from a cause and effect perspective, that's where it begins and where it ends, as in write your own tickets, round n round she goes

bullshit central
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So you mean that our problems come from our inabillity to understand the realms/the existence we are living in?

I can agree with this, but i dont see the comparison.

People will always do what they think are best in the given situation they are in.

Now why is balance a part of this?

Thats my question ^^

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Why Why Why you say because you are the Why that is stuck in the middle of the ups and the downs in the light and in the dark is who we are when we stand in the shadow of a tree or out in full sun does that not tell us who we are?

goodevil

We are the WHY that are stuck between the two... :)

The middle ground is to be nutrul now that's spiritual
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33829725


Im not stuck anywhere, im not living after ''balance''.

I am living for 100# happiness.

Its a big difference!

Im trying to understand others here, not myself. I am not stuck!
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


100% happiness in a black and white universe? good look with that :)
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Why Why Why you say because you are the Why that is stuck in the middle of the ups and the downs in the light and in the dark is who we are when we stand in the shadow of a tree or out in full sun does that not tell us who we are?

goodevil

We are the WHY that are stuck between the two... :)

The middle ground is to be nutrul now that's spiritual
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33829725


Im not stuck anywhere, im not living after ''balance''.

I am living for 100# happiness.

Its a big difference!

Im trying to understand others here, not myself. I am not stuck!
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100% happiness is bullshit.
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Why Why Why you say because you are the Why that is stuck in the middle of the ups and the downs in the light and in the dark is who we are when we stand in the shadow of a tree or out in full sun does that not tell us who we are?

goodevil

We are the WHY that are stuck between the two... :)

The middle ground is to be nutrul now that's spiritual
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33829725


Im not stuck anywhere, im not living after ''balance''.

I am living for 100# happiness.

Its a big difference!

Im trying to understand others here, not myself. I am not stuck!
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


100% happiness in a black and white universe? good look with that :)
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I really dont need any ''good luck'' with that. You can belive me or you can choose not too. Thats up to you =)
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Why Why Why you say because you are the Why that is stuck in the middle of the ups and the downs in the light and in the dark is who we are when we stand in the shadow of a tree or out in full sun does that not tell us who we are?

goodevil

We are the WHY that are stuck between the two... :)

The middle ground is to be nutrul now that's spiritual
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33829725


Im not stuck anywhere, im not living after ''balance''.

I am living for 100# happiness.

Its a big difference!

Im trying to understand others here, not myself. I am not stuck!
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


100% happiness is bullshit.
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Why?

PLEASE answer me =)
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Because we live in a dualistic realm. That's a fact. There is no one without the other. Once you transcend that, you may at first be in a blissful state for some time but even that passes. It's still phenomena. It's not the end all. Only when you go beyond any attachment including attachment to happiness and bliss are you really free.
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I like to think over my feelings, while others seem to be more inclined to feel their think overs.
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Could you explain this a little better?

I love to hear the ''differences'' people feel they have, i think we can learn alot from it =)
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


Nope can't do, just try to approach it with the KISS principle as I live by it myself, in other words a simpleton/nincompoop.
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Why Why Why you say because you are the Why that is stuck in the middle of the ups and the downs in the light and in the dark is who we are when we stand in the shadow of a tree or out in full sun does that not tell us who we are?

goodevil

We are the WHY that are stuck between the two... :)

The middle ground is to be nutrul now that's spiritual
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33829725


Im not stuck anywhere, im not living after ''balance''.

I am living for 100# happiness.

Its a big difference!

Im trying to understand others here, not myself. I am not stuck!
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


100% happiness in a black and white universe? good look with that :)
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I really dont need any ''good luck'' with that. You can belive me or you can choose not too. Thats up to you =)
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Then you must be a robot? :) and believe me I know you more then you know you...:) but that's the (illusion) you will never get lol
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Because we live in a dualistic realm. That's a fact. There is no one without the other. Once you transcend that, you may at first be in a blissful state for some time but even that passes. It's still phenomena. It's not the end all. Only when you go beyond any attachment including attachment to happiness and bliss are you really free.
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Ofcourse i agree that there is no one without the other. Thats not what i trying to put a light on here =)

What im wondering about is why a spiritual awakened person who knows how to handle fear and so on, needs this in his life to be able to express love?

It just doesnt make sense to me =)

I know i dont need it at least!

Like i tried to say earlier, i belive balance should be seen in another way.

You will get the ''balance'' from the world around you, but YOU can be HOWEVER you want to be, once you know the trick.

Once you learn how to react to you feelings, thoughts and so on, you dont need this ''balance''.
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Im not stuck anywhere, im not living after ''balance''.

I am living for 100# happiness.

Its a big difference!

Im trying to understand others here, not myself. I am not stuck!
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


100% happiness in a black and white universe? good look with that :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33829725


I really dont need any ''good luck'' with that. You can belive me or you can choose not too. Thats up to you =)
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


Then you must be a robot? :) and believe me I know you more then you know you...:) but that's the (illusion) you will never get lol
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Its just a choice really =)

When you learn to be aware of your own negative emotions you will at one point become very good at catching them.

You will catch them the moment they occour, and then you can choose to react however you want.
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the number 1 problem is the complete inability to distinguish between the mental realms (illusion) and the realms of form (true existence)

even 99.9% of those who consider themselves "illumined" are not capable of this

from a cause and effect perspective, that's where it begins and where it ends, as in write your own tickets, round n round she goes

bullshit central
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So you mean that our problems come from our inabillity to understand the realms/the existence we are living in?

I can agree with this, but i dont see the comparison.

People will always do what they think are best in the given situation they are in.

Now why is balance a part of this?

Thats my question ^^
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


the problems of an unenlightened civilisation and all of the unnecessary suffering and false perceptions on the true nature of existence, yes.

how can you not see the comparison when it is the beginning, the root-cause and the end?

are you looking at balance from an omni-perspective or just picking out small parts which have no relevance on the grand scheme of things?
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100% happiness in a black and white universe? good look with that :)
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I really dont need any ''good luck'' with that. You can belive me or you can choose not too. Thats up to you =)
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


Then you must be a robot? :) and believe me I know you more then you know you...:) but that's the (illusion) you will never get lol
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Its just a choice really =)

When you learn to be aware of your own negative emotions you will at one point become very good at catching them.

You will catch them the moment they occour, and then you can choose to react however you want.
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


I'm not a new ager, don't define what I am and don't do it with others either. We're all kinds of things in moments, but since those moments are always shifting, we're never the same person twice. Hate (Or any other extreme emotion) is important as when you understand what makes you take that extreme personally, you can recognize it in others, see what it does to them, and gain the ability to recognize and control it in yourself. I think the whole balance thing gets badly worded, loses its clarity in the process. To shift your words slightly, it seem to me choosing to act however you want rather than react, active and not passive. That's just a refinement of you concept, mind you. We agree in many ways, but we'll never come to complete accord with any other other 7 billion-some-odd folks walking around.
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spirituality is personal, no ones hijacking anything
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Emotion is a product or the result of your logic. That which is not evolved reacts from instinct as conditioned. That which is evolved considers...

The reptilian part of the brain reacts accordingly. There is no fear in the strong, no anger, no pride. Only efficiency. What are your true powers OP? Can you usurp heaven, or side with a madness that believes it can. This is far different than challenging truth and HIS God. Can you conquer even your flesh, or even your small sphere? Do you eat, shit and piss? Can you overcome even this little thing? Make truth God and find your place in creation - love others as yourself. Then you will see who you are, but this, will not matter as you will evolve beyond what you can comprehend moving from glory to glory. As there is greater truth than this. And then the Most High, ever moving. Or, you could side with those in delusion, that believe they can conquer this world or the next promising you a scrap, but you know who they are, charlatans and liars, hollow, whose time has ended and soon this will be evident to even the deluded. Choose life in abundance or death beyond death, pain beyond pain, in this world and the evernal, but fear HIM.
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