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Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.

 
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Because we live in a dualistic realm. That's a fact. There is no one without the other. Once you transcend that, you may at first be in a blissful state for some time but even that passes. It's still phenomena. It's not the end all. Only when you go beyond any attachment including attachment to happiness and bliss are you really free.
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Ofcourse i agree that there is no one without the other. Thats not what i trying to put a light on here =)

What im wondering about is why a spiritual awakened person who knows how to handle fear and so on, needs this in his life to be able to express love?

It just doesnt make sense to me =)

I know i dont need it at least!

Like i tried to say earlier, i belive balance should be seen in another way.

You will get the ''balance'' from the world around you, but YOU can be HOWEVER you want to be, once you know the trick.

Once you learn how to react to you feelings, thoughts and so on, you dont need this ''balance''.
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You don't need fear in order to express love. But had you never experienced fear, you would maybe not be able to know love. The human experience of a spiritual being in a physical body. Dualism we're stuck in.

When you know how to "handle" fear as you say, you can choose love before fear, but even spiritually enlightened people experience negative emotions. They just don't identify with them anymore. They let them pass without freaking out or being controlled by them.

Reaction to feelings is still being in a reactive mind set. Try responding to your emotions instead. Responding means acknowledging that they are there, accepting them, integrating them instead of reacting like being driven to do something reactive triggered by the emotion.
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Re: Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
the problems of an unenlightened civilisation and all of the unnecessary suffering and false perceptions on the true nature of existence, yes.

how can you not see the comparison when it is the beginning, the root-cause and the end?

are you looking at balance from an omni-perspective or just picking out small parts which have no relevance on the grand scheme of things?
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I am not looking at any persepective at all. I am looking at right now =)

Im not talking about this whole world, or everything looked upon as a whole.

I want to know why I need balance to be happy?

It makes absolutely no sense to me at all =)

Regular people need balance.

Spirituality is all about overcoming balance.
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Because we live in a dualistic realm. That's a fact. There is no one without the other. Once you transcend that, you may at first be in a blissful state for some time but even that passes. It's still phenomena. It's not the end all. Only when you go beyond any attachment including attachment to happiness and bliss are you really free.
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THIS
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Re: Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
the problems of an unenlightened civilisation and all of the unnecessary suffering and false perceptions on the true nature of existence, yes.

how can you not see the comparison when it is the beginning, the root-cause and the end?

are you looking at balance from an omni-perspective or just picking out small parts which have no relevance on the grand scheme of things?
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I am not looking at any persepective at all. I am looking at right now =)

Im not talking about this whole world, or everything looked upon as a whole.

I want to know why I need balance to be happy?

It makes absolutely no sense to me at all =)

Regular people need balance.

Spirituality is all about overcoming balance.
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


Stop thinking and analyzing so much or you'll never be happy. Just be happy when you feel like it. Do you thing little happy kids have to check if there is balance before they feel happy?? LOL They just are. For any reason, for a moment, for a second, for a day, a lot or a little, whatever, drop thinking so much about having permission to be happy by what others define it as and what not.
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Re: Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
Spirituality has been hijacked by atheists. The other white religion.
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the problems of an unenlightened civilisation and all of the unnecessary suffering and false perceptions on the true nature of existence, yes.

how can you not see the comparison when it is the beginning, the root-cause and the end?

are you looking at balance from an omni-perspective or just picking out small parts which have no relevance on the grand scheme of things?
 Quoting: Xeno00000


I am not looking at any persepective at all. I am looking at right now =)

Im not talking about this whole world, or everything looked upon as a whole.

I want to know why I need balance to be happy?

It makes absolutely no sense to me at all =)

Regular people need balance.

Spirituality is all about overcoming balance.
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER




seeking a high(happy) is reactivity to experiencing a low.
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the problems of an unenlightened civilisation and all of the unnecessary suffering and false perceptions on the true nature of existence, yes.

how can you not see the comparison when it is the beginning, the root-cause and the end?

are you looking at balance from an omni-perspective or just picking out small parts which have no relevance on the grand scheme of things?
 Quoting: Xeno00000


I am not looking at any persepective at all. I am looking at right now =)

Im not talking about this whole world, or everything looked upon as a whole.

I want to know why I need balance to be happy?

It makes absolutely no sense to me at all =)

Regular people need balance.

Spirituality is all about overcoming balance.
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


Stop thinking and analyzing so much or you'll never be happy. Just be happy when you feel like it. Do you thing little happy kids have to check if there is balance before they feel happy?? LOL They just are. For any reason, for a moment, for a second, for a day, a lot or a little, whatever, drop thinking so much about having permission to be happy by what others define it as and what not.
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Why should i stop thinking and analyzing and why do you belive this makes me unhappy?

Your intentions are well ment, but i can assure you that they are not needed =)

I am VERY happy!
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Re: Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
the problems of an unenlightened civilisation and all of the unnecessary suffering and false perceptions on the true nature of existence, yes.

how can you not see the comparison when it is the beginning, the root-cause and the end?

are you looking at balance from an omni-perspective or just picking out small parts which have no relevance on the grand scheme of things?
 Quoting: Xeno00000


I am not looking at any persepective at all. I am looking at right now =)

Im not talking about this whole world, or everything looked upon as a whole.

I want to know why I need balance to be happy?

It makes absolutely no sense to me at all =)

Regular people need balance.

Spirituality is all about overcoming balance.
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER




seeking a high(happy) is reactivity to experiencing a low.
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Can you proove this? Because i know that after my 3 years of studying the human brain i NEVER found any truth to that =)
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Re: Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
the problems of an unenlightened civilisation and all of the unnecessary suffering and false perceptions on the true nature of existence, yes.

how can you not see the comparison when it is the beginning, the root-cause and the end?

are you looking at balance from an omni-perspective or just picking out small parts which have no relevance on the grand scheme of things?
 Quoting: Xeno00000


I am not looking at any persepective at all. I am looking at right now =)

Im not talking about this whole world, or everything looked upon as a whole.

I want to know why I need balance to be happy?

It makes absolutely no sense to me at all =)

Regular people need balance.

Spirituality is all about overcoming balance.
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


Stop thinking and analyzing so much or you'll never be happy. Just be happy when you feel like it. Do you thing little happy kids have to check if there is balance before they feel happy?? LOL They just are. For any reason, for a moment, for a second, for a day, a lot or a little, whatever, drop thinking so much about having permission to be happy by what others define it as and what not.
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Why should i stop thinking and analyzing and why do you belive this makes me unhappy?

Your intentions are well ment, but i can assure you that they are not needed =)

I am VERY happy!
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Maybe you are, maybe you're not. It's your personal experience and feeling. It's all relative. But if it is so important to you that you're 100% happy, you might be too attached to how you feel.
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You don't need fear in order to express love. But had you never experienced fear, you would maybe not be able to know love. The human experience of a spiritual being in a physical body. Dualism we're stuck in.

When you know how to "handle" fear as you say, you can choose love before fear, but even spiritually enlightened people experience negative emotions. They just don't identify with them anymore. They let them pass without freaking out or being controlled by them.
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Agreed =)

Reaction to feelings is still being in a reactive mind set. Try responding to your emotions instead. Responding means acknowledging that they are there, accepting them, integrating them instead of reacting like being driven to do something reactive triggered by the emotion.
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Thats what i do already.

I just want to know why some people seem to mean that if you are TOO happy over a too long periode of time, you are losing your balance and whatnot ^^

I think its bullshit =)
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I am not looking at any persepective at all. I am looking at right now =)

Im not talking about this whole world, or everything looked upon as a whole.

I want to know why I need balance to be happy?

It makes absolutely no sense to me at all =)

Regular people need balance.

Spirituality is all about overcoming balance.
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


Stop thinking and analyzing so much or you'll never be happy. Just be happy when you feel like it. Do you thing little happy kids have to check if there is balance before they feel happy?? LOL They just are. For any reason, for a moment, for a second, for a day, a lot or a little, whatever, drop thinking so much about having permission to be happy by what others define it as and what not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33768594


Why should i stop thinking and analyzing and why do you belive this makes me unhappy?

Your intentions are well ment, but i can assure you that they are not needed =)

I am VERY happy!
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


Maybe you are, maybe you're not. It's your personal experience and feeling. It's all relative. But if it is so important to you that you're 100% happy, you might be too attached to how you feel.
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Im actually not so concerned about my own mood, this thread is not about me =)

Im curious about others!
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Re: Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
the problems of an unenlightened civilisation and all of the unnecessary suffering and false perceptions on the true nature of existence, yes.

how can you not see the comparison when it is the beginning, the root-cause and the end?

are you looking at balance from an omni-perspective or just picking out small parts which have no relevance on the grand scheme of things?
 Quoting: Xeno00000


I am not looking at any persepective at all. I am looking at right now =)

Im not talking about this whole world, or everything looked upon as a whole.

I want to know why I need balance to be happy?

It makes absolutely no sense to me at all =)

Regular people need balance.

Spirituality is all about overcoming balance.
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER




seeking a high(happy) is reactivity to experiencing a low.
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Can you proove this? Because i know that after my 3 years of studying the human brain i NEVER found any truth to that =)
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In most instances the untrained or impatient mind is distraught by the experience of non-pleasure. Most people avoid the unpleasant and seek moments of thrill or pleasure. Just look at the western culture - its built into our entire existence. It requires a degree of maturity to move beyond that cycle. I think the proof is all around us. Once beyond the seeking of pleasure and avoidance of non-pleasure one can begin to experience both fully. That is not to say one might not once again become attached again to the high of happiness and once again enter the cycle.
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Not too hot, not too cold! The middle way!

The point is to be able to deal with things as they are without being blinded by flares of whatever emotional responses, in order to not have to waste time thinking, just direct and proper function with proper wisdom.
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I thought spirituality was about being able to control your own mind.

So why do we need slogans like this?



What slogans? You asked what it was, I answered. Had you not asked, I wouldn't have answered, see? That is karma!

It IS about controlling your own mind. Those biochemicals that float our bodies whenever we have emotional responses causes us to "lose our mind", and we are therefore dragged through all kinds of hells (metaphorically speaking of course)

That is why proper training involves learning how to be.. above? beyond? this kind of emotional turbulence!
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You don't need fear in order to express love. But had you never experienced fear, you would maybe not be able to know love. The human experience of a spiritual being in a physical body. Dualism we're stuck in.

When you know how to "handle" fear as you say, you can choose love before fear, but even spiritually enlightened people experience negative emotions. They just don't identify with them anymore. They let them pass without freaking out or being controlled by them.
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Agreed =)

Reaction to feelings is still being in a reactive mind set. Try responding to your emotions instead. Responding means acknowledging that they are there, accepting them, integrating them instead of reacting like being driven to do something reactive triggered by the emotion.
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Thats what i do already.

I just want to know why some people seem to mean that if you are TOO happy over a too long periode of time, you are losing your balance and whatnot ^^

I think its bullshit =)
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


So let them think that. They are having their own experience of the illusion. grinning
Maybe you figured something out that they haven't and one day you will teach the rest of everyone living in the illusion how to be always 100% happy without ever losing balance.
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Well that depends on what you mean by happy.. If you mean having bursts of over-enthusiastic joy all the time, this is no good, but if you mean happy as in content and at peace.. That is excellent.
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I am not looking at any persepective at all. I am looking at right now =)

Im not talking about this whole world, or everything looked upon as a whole.

I want to know why I need balance to be happy?

It makes absolutely no sense to me at all =)

Regular people need balance.

Spirituality is all about overcoming balance.
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER




seeking a high(happy) is reactivity to experiencing a low.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31765787


Can you proove this? Because i know that after my 3 years of studying the human brain i NEVER found any truth to that =)
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


In most instances the untrained or impatient mind is distraught by the experience of non-pleasure. Most people avoid the unpleasant and seek moments of thrill or pleasure. Just look at the western culture - its built into our entire existence. It requires a degree of maturity to move beyond that cycle. I think the proof is all around us. Once beyond the seeking of pleasure and avoidance of non-pleasure one can begin to experience both fully. That is not to say one might not once again become attached again to the high of happiness and once again enter the cycle.
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Basically what you said, is that too much happiness is a result of a depression.

What you are talking about now is called brain plasticity or neuro plasticity. Look it up if you are interested =)

You didnt answer my question, or explain your statement!
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You don't need fear in order to express love. But had you never experienced fear, you would maybe not be able to know love. The human experience of a spiritual being in a physical body. Dualism we're stuck in.

When you know how to "handle" fear as you say, you can choose love before fear, but even spiritually enlightened people experience negative emotions. They just don't identify with them anymore. They let them pass without freaking out or being controlled by them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33768594


Agreed =)

Reaction to feelings is still being in a reactive mind set. Try responding to your emotions instead. Responding means acknowledging that they are there, accepting them, integrating them instead of reacting like being driven to do something reactive triggered by the emotion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33768594


Thats what i do already.

I just want to know why some people seem to mean that if you are TOO happy over a too long periode of time, you are losing your balance and whatnot ^^

I think its bullshit =)
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


So let them think that. They are having their own experience of the illusion. grinning
Maybe you figured something out that they haven't and one day you will teach the rest of everyone living in the illusion how to be always 100% happy without ever losing balance.
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But this is NOT about me =)

Thats the crazy part!

I want to talk about something in general here, i even named it out in specific :P

Im not here to prove anything about myself, im here to understand others.
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You don't need fear in order to express love. But had you never experienced fear, you would maybe not be able to know love. The human experience of a spiritual being in a physical body. Dualism we're stuck in.

When you know how to "handle" fear as you say, you can choose love before fear, but even spiritually enlightened people experience negative emotions. They just don't identify with them anymore. They let them pass without freaking out or being controlled by them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33768594


Agreed =)

Reaction to feelings is still being in a reactive mind set. Try responding to your emotions instead. Responding means acknowledging that they are there, accepting them, integrating them instead of reacting like being driven to do something reactive triggered by the emotion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33768594


Thats what i do already.

I just want to know why some people seem to mean that if you are TOO happy over a too long periode of time, you are losing your balance and whatnot ^^

I think its bullshit =)
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


So let them think that. They are having their own experience of the illusion. grinning
Maybe you figured something out that they haven't and one day you will teach the rest of everyone living in the illusion how to be always 100% happy without ever losing balance.
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But this is NOT about me =)

Thats the crazy part!

I want to talk about something in general here, i even named it out in specific :P

Im not here to prove anything about myself, im here to understand others.
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If there is no YOU, how can there be OTHERS?
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First of all i just want to start out by saying that im not here to make anyone upset or angry. Neither am i doing this to confuse you, or to pick on your beliefs. My motives are my own =) All i want is a good discussion.

Here goes;

Why do almost all spiritual people say that we need ''balance''? Why is this a ''slogan'' ?

Why do people say that we cant have too much of a feeling, because it needs to be balanced?

I just cant find a logical answer for this, i seriously cant!

And im really starting to belive that this is just pure bullshit.

Bullshit to put us down!

Bullshit to fool us away from our true powers.

The balance you are talking about is everywhere around you. This world is in a ''negative mess'' at the moment, you are the opposite catalysator of joy, and this is the ''balance''.

You dont need x amount of negativity to be spirituality positive!
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


clappaclappaclappa

I've been saying this for years. "Balancetards" are people who believe in just enough spirituality to make them feel better about themselves, yet still allowed to participate in spiritually destructive activities outlawed by proper spirituality.

They are basically superstitious atheists.
:ritd:"You've been left on your own, like a Rainbow in the Dark" -Ronnie James Dio:ritd:
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What slogans? You asked what it was, I answered. Had you not asked, I wouldn't have answered, see? That is karma!

It IS about controlling your own mind. Those biochemicals that float our bodies whenever we have emotional responses causes us to "lose our mind", and we are therefore dragged through all kinds of hells (metaphorically speaking of course)

That is why proper training involves learning how to be.. above? beyond? this kind of emotional turbulence!
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I feel that this whole spiritual movement is screaming balance all over.

And theres no need for you to tell me something i already know.

I am not irritated over anything, i am simply curious, nothing worse, nothing less, its all it is.

Why do you think that i dont have the capabillity to overcome this emotional turbuluence? Why do you assume this?

I am only asking a question you know =)

This is NOT about me!

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I've been saying this for years. "Balancetards" are people who believe in just enough spirituality to make them feel better about themselves, yet still allowed to participate in spiritually destructive activities outlawed by proper spirituality.

They are basically superstitious atheists.
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Im very glad that you agree with me, but i dont think they do it on purpose =)
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I am not irritated over anything, i am simply curious, nothing worse, nothing less, its all it is.

Why do you think that i dont have the capabillity to overcome this emotional turbuluence? Why do you assume this?

I am only asking a question you know =)

This is NOT about me!
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This is lost in translation my friend, I am pretty sure.. I wasn't talking about you specifically, just "you" as in "everybody"

I agree that the new agers and their "balance" is not the way to go, but most "new age" is actually a commercial product aimed at benefiting the author, not the participants!
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This is lost in translation my friend, I am pretty sure.. I wasn't talking about you specifically, just "you" as in "everybody"
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Hehe dont worry =)

I agree that the new agers and their "balance" is not the way to go, but most "new age" is actually a commercial product aimed at benefiting the author, not the participants!
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So then we actually agree then?

Not that it matters =)

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Re: Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
the problems of an unenlightened civilisation and all of the unnecessary suffering and false perceptions on the true nature of existence, yes.

how can you not see the comparison when it is the beginning, the root-cause and the end?

are you looking at balance from an omni-perspective or just picking out small parts which have no relevance on the grand scheme of things?
 Quoting: Xeno00000


I am not looking at any persepective at all. I am looking at right now =)

Im not talking about this whole world, or everything looked upon as a whole.

I want to know why I need balance to be happy?

It makes absolutely no sense to me at all =)

Regular people need balance.

Spirituality is all about overcoming balance.
 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


a dog is happy with a bone

why not separate your mind from emotions, then you don't need anything to be happy. to seek happiness is for selfish apes

when there is major imbalance, counter-imbalance is needed to balance

so these people who preach balance, who are clueless to all of the imbalance, should STFU!!!
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why not separate your mind from emotions, then you don't need anything to be happy. to seek happiness is for selfish apes
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Like mentioned many times already, this is NOT about me, so please stop trying to be my psychologist.

I dont need it =)

when there is major imbalance, counter-imbalance is needed to balance
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Correct!

But why do i need balance to be happy? Are you saying that a major imbalance on the positive side should be cured by negativity to become balanced?

Why is the question about the balance? Why should we balance? Is happiness a result of balance?

So these people who preach balance, who are clueless to all of the imbalance, should STFU!!!
 Quoting: Xeno00000


Hmmm =)
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Because we live in a dualistic realm. That's a fact. There is no one without the other. Once you transcend that, you may at first be in a blissful state for some time but even that passes. It's still phenomena. It's not the end all. Only when you go beyond any attachment including attachment to happiness and bliss are you really free.
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It just doesnt make sense to me =)

 Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER


It doesn't make sense to you.. because, well it's bullshit.
Spirituality is actually quite simple at heart.
There's negative,balance, and positive.
And outside.
If you study nature, you can see this quite clearly.
A plant grows, but at the same it "destroys" by metabolism and use of soil nutrients deep in its cells.
Then it dies and goes back to the soil where other plants grow in its stead.
The outside I mentioned is sunlight, and all the other elements of life that the plant interacts with.
This is an ongoing creative process.
However many modern people who practice what they think of as "spiritually" have no connection with nature (or the real world) as about 90% of the populace is now urban and Intellectualise it because they're disconnected, except from other people in a similar situation.
Their false analogy-based on religious and cultural condtioning at a very deep level is that Evil is necessary.
Well of course peddlers of Evil would like people to believe that for obvious reasons: control and money.
And people like to believe them because they're lazy and like a good story, with lots and lots of words,to keep them from facing true facts.
They'll even bullshit that there are no "true facts" because it's only a subjective "opinion."
Logically that's a loop: Is it a fact that everything is only an opinion? If so then the opinion that everything is only an opinion is itself just an opinion, and not a factual statement.
Opinions are just that.
But the old spiritual practitioners were deeply centred in reality,and not particularly "nice" (another misapprehension: spiritual=nice)on all levels, and cultivated ALL their talents including their intellects.
They didn't "throw away their brains" except in so far as removing cultural conditioning.
They started as apprentices, sweeping floors,cooking food and doing humble stuff till they acquired both physical and intellectual discipline.
Then they went on to the advanced stuff.
The advanced stuff tells you that Evil is not necessary, any more than spraying herbicide on plants is necessary for their health, or that beating your wife is a necessary balance to giving her a kiss and a hug.
Going into an Evil/ Good loop is just.
And who precisely determines what those terms mean?
Why, could it be ... Evil people?
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Re: Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
Because we live in a dualistic realm. That's a fact. There is no one without the other. Once you transcend that, you may at first be in a blissful state for some time but even that passes. It's still phenomena. It's not the end all. Only when you go beyond any attachment including attachment to happiness and bliss are you really free.
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It just doesnt make sense to me =)

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It doesn't make sense to you.. because, well it's bullshit.
Spirituality is actually quite simple at heart.
There's negative,balance, and positive.
And outside.
If you study nature, you can see this quite clearly.
A plant grows, but at the same it "destroys" by metabolism and use of soil nutrients deep in its cells.
Then it dies and goes back to the soil where other plants grow in its stead.
The outside I mentioned is sunlight, and all the other elements of life that the plant interacts with.
This is an ongoing creative process.
However many modern people who practice what they think of as "spiritually" have no connection with nature (or the real world) as about 90% of the populace is now urban and Intellectualise it because they're disconnected, except from other people in a similar situation.
Their false analogy-based on religious and cultural condtioning at a very deep level is that Evil is necessary.
Well of course peddlers of Evil would like people to believe that for obvious reasons: control and money.
And people like to believe them because they're lazy and like a good story, with lots and lots of words,to keep them from facing true facts.
They'll even bullshit that there are no "true facts" because it's only a subjective "opinion."
Logically that's a loop: Is it a fact that everything is only an opinion? If so then the opinion that everything is only an opinion is itself just an opinion, and not a factual statement.
Opinions are just that.
But the old spiritual practitioners were deeply centred in reality,and not particularly "nice" (another misapprehension: spiritual=nice)on all levels, and cultivated ALL their talents including their intellects.
They didn't "throw away their brains" except in so far as removing cultural conditioning.
They started as apprentices, sweeping floors,cooking food and doing humble stuff till they acquired both physical and intellectual discipline.
Then they went on to the advanced stuff.
The advanced stuff tells you that Evil is not necessary, any more than spraying herbicide on plants is necessary for their health, or that beating your wife is a necessary balance to giving her a kiss and a hug.
Going into an Evil/ Good loop is just.
And who precisely determines what those terms mean?
Why, could it be ... Evil people?
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Thanks a lot for sharing this.

Its the same thoughts/impressions ive had, or atleast very similar =)

Now my point with this thread is not to state this, but to make people think, so ill leave it with that ^^

But like i said, thanks for sharing =)
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Re: Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
the problems of an unenlightened civilisation and all of the unnecessary suffering and false perceptions on the true nature of existence, yes.

how can you not see the comparison when it is the beginning, the root-cause and the end?

are you looking at balance from an omni-perspective or just picking out small parts which have no relevance on the grand scheme of things?
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I am not looking at any persepective at all. I am looking at right now =)

Im not talking about this whole world, or everything looked upon as a whole.

I want to know why I need balance to be happy?

It makes absolutely no sense to me at all =)

Regular people need balance.

Spirituality is all about overcoming balance.
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seeking a high(happy) is reactivity to experiencing a low.
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Can you proove this? Because i know that after my 3 years of studying the human brain i NEVER found any truth to that =)
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how hard did you study?what did you study?
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Re: Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
I believe we are in a world that has been skewed by negative polarity. We're born into it, take on the charge, and do not have enough inate intelligence or wisdom to flip the scales through Karma in one lifetime, and therefore tend to slide downwards into further negative polarity.

We are circling the drain.

Find balance? We can't even climb our way out of the pit, without succombing to illusions that we shouldn't.

Balance? I haven't had enough of bliss to want balance. Transcend Bliss? Sure, but let me take a nap in it for a bit, would you?
:ritd:"You've been left on your own, like a Rainbow in the Dark" -Ronnie James Dio:ritd:
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Re: Spirituality has been hijacked by ''thinkers''.
why not separate your mind from emotions, then you don't need anything to be happy. to seek happiness is for selfish apes
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Separating one's mind from emotions (and thus stripping oneself of the ability to empathize) is a completely separate matter from seeking out happiness.

One turns your heart cold while the other breaks it.

Why do you associate these two actions as opposites when they are actually on the same side of the spectrum?


Nice topic, OP.

This preaching phenomena of having perpetual balance in one's life is new to me - perhaps because I don't read too much into subject matter that my opinions of have yet to be challenged well.

Perhaps the lesson went through too many rounds of a telephone game. It's not having balance that's important - it's simply understanding it.

Understand that the things you do that bring you happiness often times are done at the expense of bringing others sadness or taking away from their happiness. The way you put it from a broader perspective, "This world is in a ''negative mess'' at the moment, you are the opposite catalysator of joy, and this is the ''balance''." is the same point to be made :)

Your comment about many spiritually 'awake' individuals probably being much less so than they would like to think makes sense in the context. Someone who's not awake would not realize the dualistic causality of everything we do. They would fail to understand the bad that comes with the good, and would apply the teachings erroneously by purposefully committing bad acts to balance.

This resonates also with research studies that have shown consumers who buy 'green' products display a distinctly higher proclivity to cheating in games and skills tests when given an open door to cheat. Maybe this is what we get for trying to wake a narcissistic society to the notion of karma? ;)

If spiritual people ought to be preaching in regards to balance, it would be better served for them to apply it to a more thorough understanding of the balance between desires and necessities. Focusing conscious intent on keeping those two aspects of life balanced (as opposed to trying to force a balance of right/wrong or good/bad) is far more productive.


Elemental balance from an alchemical standpoint is an entirely different matter of discussion and is something that everyone truly does need in their lives. Most manage well enough with slumbering intuition alone, but being able to recognize and correct an imbalance before it manifests through consequence is a rather valuable asset to have :)

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