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School shootings predicted 23 years ago? UN global gun grab, European Union - William Cooper

Published on Feb 2, 2013

Did William Cooper predict the recent wave of school shootings and the UN global gun grab 23 years ago? In this video he also speaks with immense accuracy about the European Union before it was even formed and explains the United Nations plan to disarm the people of the world. He also predicted that Bin Laden would be blamed for 911 before it happened.

All of this so many years ago, and his warning to us such a long time ago seems to now be unfolding before us on the world stage. This is his January 22nd 1997 broadcast of HOUR OF THE TIME, where he discusses a global gun grab agenda outlined in the 60s which seems to be unfolding itself today.

Check out some other William Cooper videos and Hour of the Time broadcasts to see what else he had to say about what seems to be happening in our world today.

Watch the Sandy Hook documentary here:
SANDY HOOK - THE DOCUMENTARY




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If we do what we should William Cooper will go down in history as a national hero. The only way he will get his proper accolades is if history is no longer written by jews.

I have NEVER advocated overthrowing the government OR A VIOLENT UPRISING AGAINST IT, ON THE CONTRARY, for those making lists here, put this in my file. I DO NOT want our form of government dismantled, that is your agenda. I WANT IT RESTORED TO CONSTITUTIONAL RESTRAINTS THAT DEFINE IT! I wan the sovereignty of our nation restored, and the jew-N the hell out of our business. I want to burn the jewspapers and take the evening jews off the air, and replace it with a media that reports THE TRUTH.
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OP has done such an outstanding organized research that he or she should be very careful and watch their back.
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OP has done such an outstanding organized research that he or she should be very careful and watch their back.
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Yeah, I'm a real hero.
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OP, great summary, thank you.

I have a new suggestion as to why so many parents and others were acting in this staged Sandy Hook drama. It's the same conclusion I came to when a number of parents and the school principal corroborated the existence of the fake, 9-year-old girl "victim" in the Tucson event. The ordinary people needed to make the story believable could have been hypnotized with a specific script. This is in addition to a sprinkling of paid actors, paid non-actors (eg. Rosen) and a few black-mailed individuals. I'm sure the military has excellent, trance-inducing professionals on staff.
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Your previous question was where can you find 20 parents who would go along w/ a hoax? I'm sure such unscrupulous people exist.

The story put forth by law enforcement and lapdog media is not believable.

If I'm defending a client for murder, I don't have to prove who actually did it; I just have to prove my guy didn't do it.

Same thing here. I don't know if people died, who died, if it was all a fake, or what. I only know that the official narrative is an obvious pack of lies. The reasons I and others have reached this conclusion have been chronicled in this thread and many others.
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Ok..but YOU conspiracy theorists have the burden of proof here--the stories that are out there, are believed by the MAJORITY of this country--YOU have alternative narratives of this--it is YOUR job to prove them....and BTW--THAT was your answer to my question???--unscrupulous people DO exist??OK--snart guy--you think 20 SETS of them exist in this ONE town--ALL with kids??? answer that.
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I do.

Langley, VA, for one.

And no, actually, the burden of proof is not on me to prove what actually happened. It's clearly on the authorities who put out the implausible crock of shit in the first place.
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WOW--Gladio--you are seriously demented. I really hope you havent procreated and if not-that you never will.
And YES--sorry to tell ya Sally--the burden is on YOU---See the majority use COMMON SENSE and LOGIC--where you have NOTHING --ZERO--you are behind on the scoreboard--find something CONCRETE and we can discuss. the casket thing was a big one---OOOPS yes there WERE open caskets--kids DID die./..scratch THAT off of your conspiracy to-do list now..5a
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Remember the antrax scare right after nine eleven when the then DHS director Tom Ridge suggested that the public should stock up on duct tape and plastic visqueen sheething to cover windows and such? Record sales for both products for three days. Afterwards, 'ole Ridgey rue informed the public that there was no longer a need to follow his first suggestion.

Was that done to boost sales with those products?

Answer: No

It was a listening manipulation test. To see how much influence/control 'they' have through media, and the power of their words.

Keep all this in mind... (It's what they're playing with)

Everything evolves when its alive. So, just how much can they get away with this time... or next. It's certainly not the last time. It may or may not be about a gun grab. Although they may gain from that outcome with pricey permits and costly BG checks and what not, but they don't care about the guns really. That's why we got the presi holding a rifle while posing as a skeet shooter forming the sucker punch line after delivering their anti- gun proposals... Instead, it's a test of hyper- pysops as we've never seen. Or them for that matter. The think tanks must be working overtime analizing all these results. lol


If there was only one good question that needed an answer from this, wait, shh... <--- (sandy hook hoax)

It's this, why on a compassionate earth would any one news channel, air so much about it without any respect?
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Ok..but YOU conspiracy theorists have the burden of proof here--the stories that are out there, are believed by the MAJORITY of this country--YOU have alternative narratives of this--it is YOUR job to prove them....and BTW--THAT was your answer to my question???--unscrupulous people DO exist??OK--snart guy--you think 20 SETS of them exist in this ONE town--ALL with kids??? answer that.


I do.

Langley, VA, for one.

And no, actually, the burden of proof is not on me to prove what actually happened. It's clearly on the authorities who put out the implausible crock of shit in the first place.


WOW--Gladio--you are seriously demented. I really hope you havent procreated and if not-that you never will.
And YES--sorry to tell ya Sally--the burden is on YOU---See the majority use COMMON SENSE and LOGIC--where you have NOTHING --ZERO--you are behind on the scoreboard--find something CONCRETE and we can discuss. the casket thing was a big one---OOOPS yes there WERE open caskets--kids DID die./..scratch THAT off of your conspiracy to-do list now..5a


ROTF!!! You see Robo, this is a clear example of your suck up, brown nose mentality which automatically looks for "majority," consensus, and authority for validation of reality. I can see you taunting some pimply faced geek to impress your cheerleader girlfriend, but silent and respectful around jocks or gang bangers or anyone else who could kick your ass.

First, you can't prove what a "majority" presently think about Sandy Hook. Second, there has been no official investigative finding, so no one actually knows what the full investigation will claim and say.

On the other hand, whatever the official investigation claims, you'll be there to suck up, brown nose and taunt anyone questioning the finding.

The system needs suck ups like you to function.

To keep the geeks in place, make football and cheerleading more important than academics, and most importantly, not to criticize gang bangers because they might catch you alone in the hallway.
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How exactly did they secure the area? People were up and down the road leading to the school. People were mingling and having a great ole time getting some laps in at the firehouse. The road leading to the school was NOT closed. Do you not find that odd? How does that fit into your common sense? So, you claim the area was "secured." Based on what?

And if you want to talk protocol...anyone who's taken even a basic course in CPR, knows that securing the area is one of the first things you do. So, the morning of the shootings, they don't close off the road to non-emergency vehicles? Yeah, that makes sense.
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ZUZU--PLEASE tell me you do nt believe that "circling" vid that has been going around here??? The editing was SOOOO bad!!the poster--or whoever made the video, purposely sepd up the vid so as to make it extra hard to concentrate on any one spot--and for effect. When camera zoomed out--you could se the SAME silver car coming down the road multiple times--vid was looping. later when camera zoomed in--I watched the same guy come out of the door on the right--but NEVER went into the door at the top of screen--he took the EXACT same steps between many cars, Stopped at the EXACT same spot talking to the EXACT same guyy--and putting up his arm and pointing the EXACT same way--no actor--especially if these were DRILL actors--are that good. Vid was looping again. Cmon--you are better than that...gimme something hard.
as for securing the road--was that the ONLY way in or out? If so--you have to secure but at same time allow cars that are necessary to come and go..bottom line-it was a clusterfuck there that NONE of us could EVER imagine..different stories--(which is why it is all believeable), queastions...I dont mind questioning things--it is the close minded dickheads that think THEIR version is the Gods truth, and everyone else is wrong. The agenda pushers. The people that do not listen to LOGIC.

You come up with an answer to my question yet?
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I'm talking about the unedited version of that video. I don't care about the looping video. The fact is none of those people looked like they were in a distressed situation. You will not convince me that they did. Also, people were interviewed right on the road leading to the school. Again, not securing the area. It really makes sense to you that media would be allowed to interview people so close to the scene of a mass shooting? And so early on? Come on.

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"None of us could ever imagine." Same old excuse. I can tell you this much. You don't have to be an Einstein to know that that road should have been closed off. They did not close the road to non-emergency vehicles. There was no reason to let any other vehicles on that road besides emergency vehicles. Your explanation does not mesh with my common sense. Sorry. I'm not saying you're "wrong," I'm saying it's completely illogical imo. Not closing off that road=not securing the scene.

Also, hopefully, you get a chance to watch the interview Katie Couric did with that parent. I'm curious how you explain what she heard vs. what teachers in interviews/LE described.
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Media swarmed on the scene, quickly. Do i think a better job could have been done in securing area? Yes. There were also DOZENS upon DOZENS of parents showing up--without knowing exactly why...More than likely word of mouth got around town quick, and parents wanted to get to their kids asap. THAT does not tell me it was a hoax. Yes I watched katies inteerview. MNone of this bothers me--why? Because i spoke to 2 guys I went to high school with who are police officers now. They told me that even as small as a robbery in broad daylight, with tons of bystanders/witnesses--if they interview 10 people--there will be at LEAST 5-6 different variations, timetable differences, at least 2-4 suspect description variations, etc. Now blow that up to something as large as THIS! They told me it would have had to have been a police nightmare just from the witness questioning standpoint. What would REALLY have me wondering if something sinister was going on--would be if everyone's stories WERE THE SAME! I think that would bother most people on this forum as well--basically everyone were telling the same story like they were all stepford wives and husbands...think about that for a minute. Common sense tells you that peoples perceptions of the same event are different same thing if you or I were THERE. Maybe when that mother showed up--Adam was in the middle of reloading or changing weapons. By her timeframe on the interview, it was only quiet to her for a minute or less (approx). Maybe there had already been some shooting and kids and adults were hiding being quiet so as to not make shooter aware of wherre others were. The fact is since the MAJORITY of the population thinks that this was real--by this one crazy guy...the burden to prove OTHERWISE is on ALL of YOU. Not me to prove that the stories given are REAL. I watched the unedited circling video as well--you know what I see--I see parents on cell phones talking to whomever-that have NO IDEA why they are there. They havent been told anything yet more than likely--they are not quite panicking as a group because of that--but I actually saw a few in the video that looked a little panicky to me--just my perception. I never saw the SAME person making laps in one end of bldg and out the other end multiple times. I actually saw a few people go in one door, and come out a moment or two later from the same door...probably trying to get whatever information they could from anyone. The problem is you all are looking at thses things solely from the standpoint of trying to prove your own narratives...There is no guidebook as to how people SHOULD grieve, how people SHOULD act outside a bldg trying to find out what is going on....You all think you are experts in that regard--that is what pisses me off.
And yes you should answer my main question--but you KNOW why you are refusing to....IF this was a hoax as many here believe it to be--then my questions stands. A very logical question. But none will answer it honestly, because you know by doing that--it squashes everything you all are trying to spin.
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What parent would EVER agree to FAKE their child's death--to the point of funerals?
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Likely no parent would. If 20 families were burying kids it only proved kids died. It wouldn't prove Adam L was the shooter or only shooter or disprove multiple shooters.

What I suspect is the parents of these dead kids are reading all the bullshit and unanswered questions surrounding this investigation and that in time, these same parents will be the loudest voice demanding and open, honest and transparent criminal investigation of this crime.
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Thank you for what has to be the most honest answer yet...If it were me--and my kid died there---yes after 2 plus months of all this rhetoric---if I had not been able to see, ID, or look at my child in the casket even before public burial--I WOULD be asking questions already--find me ONE SINGLE Sandy Hook parent that is asking questions...Wanna know why there isnt even ONE? Because most of the "thoeries" center around the PARENTS actions! crying-not crying--hearing or not hearing certain things, closed/open caskets--those kinds of information...They do not NEED to start inquiring because most of the questions are about themselves...Well they KNOW--they were THERE. Why do they need to investigate the incident? Just concentrate on you answer to my question--what are the ODDS of finding 20 SET of parents all in the same town, whose kids ALL go to the same school--that agree to put ALL their kids through this trauma? (Yes-ask any child advocate--this would be traumatizing to these kids forever--if this were a hoax.
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Rob83, just what do you do for a living? I'm kinda curious.
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I work for the state govt.....
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How exactly did they secure the area? People were up and down the road leading to the school.
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Think about it. If someone or an /intelligence agency/gov/foreign gov wished to use a massacre of school children to influence gun legislation what would be one of the first problems? The first problem is one shooter is not practical for various reasons. So multiple trained shooters are needed to ensure the necessary causalities.

The second problem is a planned massacre by multiple shooters is an outrageous crime. Not a gun tragedy. An outrageous crime demands justice and retribution, not a demand for gun legislation. As such the problem for the plotter would be to make a this operation look like a single shooter, crazed gunman job despite all the evidence including surveillance video to the contrary.



However, given the horrendous nature of the crime and the impossibility that anyone much less parents of the slain would co-operate in a cover up how could this be accomplished?

Consider. A mock shooting drill that day which went live. When bodies are found. People are totally confused because they thought this was a drill. Hundreds of families get their kids back but don't know what to think. They can't get answers from their kids because only one or two kids might have actually seen anything. So as far as they know the Sandy Hook Massacre did occur as described in the Media.

20 families bury their kids, but are put under police protection and told not to talk because there might be other accomplices looking for witnesses.

Authorities are thus in a public relations predicament. They find evidence of mass shooters but did not catch the shooters and have no leads to catch the shooters, info if released would cause mass outrage, and calls for resignations, investigations and emotional demands to protect kids from terrorist.

As such all involved --parents, kids, teachers, law enforcement, media all become reluctant participants for various reasons in an information vacuum.

Only a handful in upper Law Enforcement know what happened, and these people don't know what to do. They are damned if they endorse a phony investigation and damn if they tell the public the truth.

No. This can't hold together for long. But perhaps long enough for gun legislation to pass. Then it will be covered upped and white washed under the guise of National Security.
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I have one problem with that--actually 2--first if it was that ELABORATE of a plan--and cover up--you would think with the govt's money, power, and intelligence that they would have done a MUCH better job in this. Even Jesse ventura--who I have enjoyed watching--he made some really good points about 9/11-(see I am not a shill-I just need some really good evidence)--thinks that there are so many coincidences, misinformation, etc--that the govt COULDNT have been behind this.
Second, if this WAS a mock drill that went live--parents and school personnel would know that at least there was supposed to be a drill--so as a parent IDC who out there would come after me--govt entities, accomplices, etc--I would be screaming to high heavens asking what happened. I would be on EVERY news network I could demanding answers...but wait--no one is asking. What is amusing, is that first this was a hoax--but now that I have asked my 1 question--(not just here)--NOW theorists are CHANGING their tune--and saying--"well maybe it was THIS--drill turned real"..you all are searching (maybe not you)--searching desperately to hold onto what you THINK happened--that it HAS to be the govt...with NO PROOF. Bottom line--that is it. I dont mind the people asking questions--what pisses me off are the tin foilers that no matter what common sense is used--they KNOW itn was something sinister--and they push that agenda on others--with NO PROOF.
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Ok..but YOU conspiracy theorists have the burden of proof here--the stories that are out there, are believed by the MAJORITY of this country--YOU have alternative narratives of this--it is YOUR job to prove them....and BTW--THAT was your answer to my question???--unscrupulous people DO exist??OK--snart guy--you think 20 SETS of them exist in this ONE town--ALL with kids??? answer that.
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I do.

Langley, VA, for one.

And no, actually, the burden of proof is not on me to prove what actually happened. It's clearly on the authorities who put out the implausible crock of shit in the first place.


WOW--Gladio--you are seriously demented. I really hope you havent procreated and if not-that you never will.
And YES--sorry to tell ya Sally--the burden is on YOU---See the majority use COMMON SENSE and LOGIC--where you have NOTHING --ZERO--you are behind on the scoreboard--find something CONCRETE and we can discuss. the casket thing was a big one---OOOPS yes there WERE open caskets--kids DID die./..scratch THAT off of your conspiracy to-do list now..5a


ROTF!!! You see Robo, this is a clear example of your suck up, brown nose mentality which automatically looks for "majority," consensus, and authority for validation of reality. I can see you taunting some pimply faced geek to impress your cheerleader girlfriend, but silent and respectful around jocks or gang bangers or anyone else who could kick your ass.

First, you can't prove what a "majority" presently think about Sandy Hook. Second, there has been no official investigative finding, so no one actually knows what the full investigation will claim and say.

On the other hand, whatever the official investigation claims, you'll be there to suck up, brown nose and taunt anyone questioning the finding.

The system needs suck ups like you to function.

To keep the geeks in place, make football and cheerleading more important than academics, and most importantly, not to criticize gang bangers because they might catch you alone in the hallway.


Whats amusing to me--is you make all these assumptions about me --with NO PROOF---seems to be the running theme here--Do yiou have anything of substance to contribute here? Because instead of the personal attacks--why not join the debate--so i can easily disperse of you as well.
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Remember the antrax scare right after nine eleven when the then DHS director Tom Ridge suggested that the public should stock up on duct tape and plastic visqueen sheething to cover windows and such? Record sales for both products for three days. Afterwards, 'ole Ridgey rue informed the public that there was no longer a need to follow his first suggestion.

Was that done to boost sales with those products?

Answer: No

It was a listening manipulation test. To see how much influence/control 'they' have through media, and the power of their words.

Keep all this in mind... (It's what they're playing with)
Everything evolves when its alive. So, just how much can they get away with this time... or next. It's certainly not the last time. It may or may not be about a gun grab. Although they may gain from that outcome with pricey permits and costly BG checks and what not, but they don't care about the guns really. That's why we got the presi holding a rifle while posing as a skeet shooter forming the sucker punch line after delivering their anti- gun proposals... Instead, it's a test of hyper- pysops as we've never seen. Or them for that matter. The think tanks must be working overtime analizing all these results. lol


If there was only one good question that needed an answer from this, wait, shh... <--- (sandy hook hoax)

It's this, why on a compassionate earth would any one news channel, air so much about it without any respect?
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I agree with you about the "mind" psy-op but I don't know the ultimate purpose.

Two years ago, the Tucson staged event opened my eyes to what was going on (re great discussion and investigation in Thread: RATS: Susan Hileman, the woman who took the 9-yr-old Christina Green (who was shot dead) to see Gabby in AZ. MK-ULTRA! I've been puzzled ever since about how they get all the players to participate in these "tragedy" productions.

In the Tucson case, several posters noticed that the "victims" and "witnesses" almost all had Jewish names and that the culture has a way of mandating participation if their race is under threat. I believe the producers have hidden any Jewish connection in subsequent staged events, or perhaps they no longer use exclusively Jewish players.

As I stated in an earlier post, I now think hypnotism is one of TPTW tools. For example, they had to hire hundreds of extras to congregate at the fire hall and circle around the building. Surely several of those actors would let something slip to their family members about where and what they were doing that day. I believe they were programmed afterwards to remember their activities in a different setting. Mind-controlled participants would explain so much.
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That link doesn't seem to be working. Here it is again:
Thread: RATS: Susan Hileman, the woman who took the 9-yr-old Christina Green (who was shot dead) to see Gabby in AZ. MK-ULTRA!
I believe this was the first "tragedy" production shredded by astute GLPers.
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What parent would EVER agree to FAKE their child's death--to the point of funerals?
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Likely no parent would. If 20 families were burying kids it only proved kids died. It wouldn't prove Adam L was the shooter or only shooter or disprove multiple shooters.

What I suspect is the parents of these dead kids are reading all the bullshit and unanswered questions surrounding this investigation and that in time, these same parents will be the loudest voice demanding and open, honest and transparent criminal investigation of this crime.
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Thank you for what has to be the most honest answer yet...If it were me--and my kid died there---yes after 2 plus months of all this rhetoric---if I had not been able to see, ID, or look at my child in the casket even before public burial--I WOULD be asking questions already--find me ONE SINGLE Sandy Hook parent that is asking questions...Wanna know why there isnt even ONE? Because most of the "thoeries" center around the PARENTS actions! crying-not crying--hearing or not hearing certain things, closed/open caskets--those kinds of information...They do not NEED to start inquiring because most of the questions are about themselves...Well they KNOW--they were THERE. Why do they need to investigate the incident? Just concentrate on you answer to my question--what are the ODDS of finding 20 SET of parents all in the same town, whose kids ALL go to the same school--that agree to put ALL their kids through this trauma? (Yes-ask any child advocate--this would be traumatizing to these kids forever--if this were a hoax.
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First, you don't know the parents of the slain children are not asking questions or have questions, or have accepted unequivocally whatever explanation they have been given so far.

From what I understand the families of the slain are under police protection, and further have likely been asked to refrain from comments and interview for their own safety and to speed the investigation. In addition, I suspect few parents in mourning would wish interviews, media attention, or a start shit storm of questions so soon after their loss.

So we agree we see the majority of these families effectively isolated from the media. What the silence means is conjecture. This silence certainly doesn't confirm agreement or acceptance of the media narrative.

On the contrary, it makes suspect the few parents who gave interviews hours and days after the tragedy, for the simple reason, none of these parents appeared to be in authentic mourning, nor under advice or restraint to not to give interviews which might compromise their families safety or compromise the investigation.

Further it violates common sense that the parents of 20 slain kids wouldn't have a wide range of emotional responses after such a tragedy, and further violates common sense that the most emotional and outraged mothers wouldn't wish to be interviewed to scream to the world about what was done to their child.

As such its suspect, that these parents either weren't interviewed or if interviewed, their interviews were not reported or aired. Instead we see what appears to be a few selected, well scrubbed interviews, reflecting and soliciting a calm, nearly emotionless acceptance of this tragedy.

In short, the flaw in your reasoning, and the reasoning of nearly every debunker, is the assumption that the digital images and scenes flashed across your television or computer screen are real in the same sense of "real" and immediacy experienced in "real life," without an interpretive and edited media interface with said "reality."

Which is clearly a flawed assumption. Media is artificial in the Aristotelian sense, that is "man made." The most innocent and honest photograph does not possess some absolute one to one correspondence with the reality it attempts to portray. Much less, a series of selectively edited media video transmission.

As such if we agree media is not real, then we are all in the position of the chained prisoners in Plato's allegory of "The Cave," ie, seeing shadows on the cave wall and mistaking the shadows for Reality. Even more, being told the shadows are real, and enforcing by various means the truth the shadows are real.

In this sense, the shadow images of the Sandy Hook tragedy cast by mass media are inadequate for many to even give the illusion of Reality.
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What parent would EVER agree to FAKE their child's death--to the point of funerals?
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Likely no parent would. If 20 families were burying kids it only proved kids died. It wouldn't prove Adam L was the shooter or only shooter or disprove multiple shooters.

What I suspect is the parents of these dead kids are reading all the bullshit and unanswered questions surrounding this investigation and that in time, these same parents will be the loudest voice demanding and open, honest and transparent criminal investigation of this crime.
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Thank you for what has to be the most honest answer yet...If it were me--and my kid died there---yes after 2 plus months of all this rhetoric---if I had not been able to see, ID, or look at my child in the casket even before public burial--I WOULD be asking questions already--find me ONE SINGLE Sandy Hook parent that is asking questions...Wanna know why there isnt even ONE? Because most of the "thoeries" center around the PARENTS actions! crying-not crying--hearing or not hearing certain things, closed/open caskets--those kinds of information...They do not NEED to start inquiring because most of the questions are about themselves...Well they KNOW--they were THERE. Why do they need to investigate the incident? Just concentrate on you answer to my question--what are the ODDS of finding 20 SET of parents all in the same town, whose kids ALL go to the same school--that agree to put ALL their kids through this trauma? (Yes-ask any child advocate--this would be traumatizing to these kids forever--if this were a hoax.
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First, you don't know the parents of the slain children are not asking questions or have questions, or have accepted unequivocally whatever explanation they have been given so far.

From what I understand the families of the slain are under police protection, and further have likely been asked to refrain from comments and interview for their own safety and to speed the investigation. In addition, I suspect few parents in mourning would wish interviews, media attention, or a start shit storm of questions so soon after their loss.

So we agree we see the majority of these families effectively isolated from the media. What the silence means is conjecture. This silence certainly doesn't confirm agreement or acceptance of the media narrative.

On the contrary, it makes suspect the few parents who gave interviews hours and days after the tragedy, for the simple reason, none of these parents appeared to be in authentic mourning, nor under advice or restraint to not to give interviews which might compromise their families safety or compromise the investigation.

Further it violates common sense that the parents of 20 slain kids wouldn't have a wide range of emotional responses after such a tragedy, and further violates common sense that the most emotional and outraged mothers wouldn't wish to be interviewed to scream to the world about what was done to their child.

As such its suspect, that these parents either weren't interviewed or if interviewed, their interviews were not reported or aired. Instead we see what appears to be a few selected, well scrubbed interviews, reflecting and soliciting a calm, nearly emotionless acceptance of this tragedy.

In short, the flaw in your reasoning, and the reasoning of nearly every debunker, is the assumption that the digital images and scenes flashed across your television or computer screen are real in the same sense of "real" and immediacy experienced in "real life," without an interpretive and edited media interface with said "reality."

Which is clearly a flawed assumption. Media is artificial in the Aristotelian sense, that is "man made." The most innocent and honest photograph does not possess some absolute one to one correspondence with the reality it attempts to portray. Much less, a series of selectively edited media video transmission.

As such if we agree media is not real, then we are all in the position of the chained prisoners in Plato's allegory of "The Cave," ie, seeing shadows on the cave wall and mistaking the shadows for Reality. Even more, being told the shadows are real, and enforcing by various means the truth the shadows are real.

In this sense, the shadow images of the Sandy Hook tragedy cast by mass media are inadequate for many to even give the illusion of Reality.
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Well said.
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What parent would EVER agree to FAKE their child's death--to the point of funerals?
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Likely no parent would. If 20 families were burying kids it only proved kids died. It wouldn't prove Adam L was the shooter or only shooter or disprove multiple shooters.

What I suspect is the parents of these dead kids are reading all the bullshit and unanswered questions surrounding this investigation and that in time, these same parents will be the loudest voice demanding and open, honest and transparent criminal investigation of this crime.
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Thank you for what has to be the most honest answer yet...If it were me--and my kid died there---yes after 2 plus months of all this rhetoric---if I had not been able to see, ID, or look at my child in the casket even before public burial--I WOULD be asking questions already--find me ONE SINGLE Sandy Hook parent that is asking questions...Wanna know why there isnt even ONE? Because most of the "thoeries" center around the PARENTS actions! crying-not crying--hearing or not hearing certain things, closed/open caskets--those kinds of information...They do not NEED to start inquiring because most of the questions are about themselves...Well they KNOW--they were THERE. Why do they need to investigate the incident? Just concentrate on you answer to my question--what are the ODDS of finding 20 SET of parents all in the same town, whose kids ALL go to the same school--that agree to put ALL their kids through this trauma? (Yes-ask any child advocate--this would be traumatizing to these kids forever--if this were a hoax.
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First, you don't know the parents of the slain children are not asking questions or have questions, or have accepted unequivocally whatever explanation they have been given so far.

From what I understand the families of the slain are under police protection, and further have likely been asked to refrain from comments and interview for their own safety and to speed the investigation. In addition, I suspect few parents in mourning would wish interviews, media attention, or a start shit storm of questions so soon after their loss.

So we agree we see the majority of these families effectively isolated from the media. What the silence means is conjecture. This silence certainly doesn't confirm agreement or acceptance of the media narrative.

On the contrary, it makes suspect the few parents who gave interviews hours and days after the tragedy, for the simple reason, none of these parents appeared to be in authentic mourning, nor under advice or restraint to not to give interviews which might compromise their families safety or compromise the investigation.

Further it violates common sense that the parents of 20 slain kids wouldn't have a wide range of emotional responses after such a tragedy, and further violates common sense that the most emotional and outraged mothers wouldn't wish to be interviewed to scream to the world about what was done to their child.

As such its suspect, that these parents either weren't interviewed or if interviewed, their interviews were not reported or aired. Instead we see what appears to be a few selected, well scrubbed interviews, reflecting and soliciting a calm, nearly emotionless acceptance of this tragedy.

In short, the flaw in your reasoning, and the reasoning of nearly every debunker, is the assumption that the digital images and scenes flashed across your television or computer screen are real in the same sense of "real" and immediacy experienced in "real life," without an interpretive and edited media interface with said "reality."

Which is clearly a flawed assumption. Media is artificial in the Aristotelian sense, that is "man made." The most innocent and honest photograph does not possess some absolute one to one correspondence with the reality it attempts to portray. Much less, a series of selectively edited media video transmission.

As such if we agree media is not real, then we are all in the position of the chained prisoners in Plato's allegory of "The Cave," ie, seeing shadows on the cave wall and mistaking the shadows for Reality. Even more, being told the shadows are real, and enforcing by various means the truth the shadows are real.

In this sense, the shadow images of the Sandy Hook tragedy cast by mass media are inadequate for many to even give the illusion of Reality.
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so what I am reading here from you is that you are ASSUMING that ALL parents of ALL the kids are under police protection--right now? That they are not allowed to carry on with their normal lives...go to work, church, see friends...that they are in complete lockdown? Do you know this for a fact?
There have been MANY families that have come forward and done interviews--even families that have been shown on camera GRIEVING--CRYING the day it occured..but truther now say that pictures of them are fake--because more than 1 photographer got the same shot? or almost the same shot? cmon....Lets just cut to the chase---if you think this is a hoax--you couldnt find this many parents in the same town, same school that would agree to this--wouldnt happen. That logic in of itself shoots down EVERYTHING!
Also, I would be VERY concerned and asking as many questions as you all--if everyone's stories WERE THE SAME! Think about that.
Think about just in a simple robbery how many differnt stories the police get when there are alot of people to interview. People see the same event DIFFERENTLY--different vantage points, timetables, even sometimes descriptions of the same suspect--different. If everyone had the same story--the same info--I would be worried. I would call them the Stepfords...this is the common sense and logic I use--why?? Because there is NO PROOF. Even a very big truther--Jesse Ventura--who I watched almost all of his shows--and see some of his points that he made about 9/11--even HE thinks that this is not a hoax...why? Because if it was a hoax the govt did the sloppiest job EVER trying to pull it off. I think someone with his resume, I would tend to believe more so than Joe schmo here copying edited videos or posting stuff as gospel truth--when it is EASILY explainable. As eloquent as your dissertation was--it doesnt hold water to simple logic. think as if YOU were a parent--and they approached YOU about a hoax.....would you agree to it? Nuff said.
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Lets just cut to the chase---if you think this is a hoax--you couldnt find this many parents in the same town, same school that would agree to this--wouldnt happen. That logic in of itself shoots down EVERYTHING!

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You don't know what all parents believe or agree with. What you know is some parents seem to agree or seemed to have agreed with the media narrative. After all initial assessments of a situation can change.

What I would conceded is the parents of slain children would know for a fact if their child died. That would eliminate in their minds any notion of a complete, staged hoax.

On the other hand, like most families impacted by crime, the families know only details of the crime supplied by the police and have no independent means to verify the official story. Furthermore, the criminal investigation is not over and neither you or I know if other people will be linked to the crime. What we do know is if other people are linked to the shootings, then the narrative changes.

Like many observers, I believe children were killed. I don't believe what facts we know add up to a crazed geek blasting his way into a school, killing 28 people then killing himself.

If it happened like this, then speculation could be eliminated simply by surveillance tape and photographs of a blood splattered classroom. No need to see bodies of dead kids.
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Bottom line--that is it. I dont mind the people asking questions--what pisses me off are the tin foilers that no matter what common sense is used--they KNOW itn was something sinister--and they push that agenda on others--with NO PROOF.
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What you might have missed Sally, in 1979 the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations found on the basis of the evidence available to it, that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Score one for the tin foilers

You might have also missed Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Who are certainly not by any stretch "tin foilers," and give clear scientific evidence why its impossible for building to free fall into their own footprint when hit by a plane, or in the case of building seven, by way of fire.

Score two for tin foilers.

[link to www.ae911truth.org]

In the case of Sandy Hook its up to the government and law enforcement to supply proof that Adam Lanza, a lone gunman committed this crime. After two months, they have not supplied proof, and may not supply any findings until May or later.

Rest assured that when these findings come in, the amateur sleuths will be replaced by professional investigators and likely key witnesses will start having accidents, the school bulldozed and carted off, records sealed for 80 years, non existent surveillance tapes, "movie of the week" promoting the official story, and all the other bullshit that typically attendant with a crazed, lone gunman shooting conveniently used to promote a political agenda.
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Bottom line--that is it. I dont mind the people asking questions--what pisses me off are the tin foilers that no matter what common sense is used--they KNOW itn was something sinister--and they push that agenda on others--with NO PROOF.
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What you might have missed Sally, in 1979 the United States House Select Committee on Assassinations found on the basis of the evidence available to it, that Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Score one for the tin foilers

You might have also missed Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. Who are certainly not by any stretch "tin foilers," and give clear scientific evidence why its impossible for building to free fall into their own footprint when hit by a plane, or in the case of building seven, by way of fire.

Score two for tin foilers.

[link to www.ae911truth.org]

In the case of Sandy Hook its up to the government and law enforcement to supply proof that Adam Lanza, a lone gunman committed this crime. After two months, they have not supplied proof, and may not supply any findings until May or later.

Rest assured that when these findings come in, the amateur sleuths will be replaced by professional investigators and likely key witnesses will start having accidents, the school bulldozed and carted off, records sealed for 80 years, non existent surveillance tapes, "movie of the week" promoting the official story, and all the other bullshit that typically attendant with a crazed, lone gunman shooting conveniently used to promote a political agenda.
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Bldg 7 did NOT go down as how we have been told. I believe that there is more that we will never know about 9/11..but NOTHING leads me to believe that OUR govt purposely did this to its own. maybe sleeoer cells, who knows,,but NO PROOF that our own govt did it. There has NEVER been a proven FF op in the United States...Not seeing any proof that there was on last Dec..
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Just trying to feel out what sort of proof you would find convincing. Rob, what are your thoughts on the critical rationalist epistemology (per Karl Popper) and non-aristotelean logic in general? Do you think that logical positivists and fideists share similar traits in that they both subscribe to dogmatism tied to an assumption of the infallibility of human faculties? Do you have any thoughts on the problem of cognitive dissonance and the broader implications of using scientifically-crafted propaganda techniques being used to exploit perceptual disorders?

Just suggesting that maybe the reason you're not seeing your proof is comparable to the reason that a fat guy can't see his own dick.
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There has NEVER been a proven FF op in the United States...Not seeing any proof that there was on last Dec..
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That's where short sighted, loyal to the bone, traditional Americanism fails.

First, if SH was multiple shooters, its likely an intelligence operation, because of the stealth, professionalism, and extreme brutality of a crime designed to inflame passions.

Motive: Think. We are at war. How many of our enemies would like to see the American people disarmed so an land invasion or occupation down the road would be so much simpler? An foreign enemy looking at the political weaknesses and polarity of this country, could set up this massacre trusting that opportunistic politicians would use the incident to their advantage for massive gun control.

With just a little bit of on line research this is planned to coincide with mock drills occurring in the same area in on that day. When LE discovers evidence of multiple shooters, it becomes a Federal, National Security Issue and the Feds take over and control the investigation.

So now, the Feds are in quandary. Do they tell the public, there are multiple shooters, and evidence these were foreign assassins/terrorists? Not a chance. The country would have become unglued, people would panic that terrorism in the form of child massacres have come to America, and this would direct peoples attention to the lack security, and question the ability of our government to protect us from terrorism.

So even if there are indisputable surveillance tapes of multiple shooters, I would suggest the government would still weigh the impact of revealing their true findings to the American people. And that's what these enemies operatives counted on. That the government would take the easy road of self preservation and use the incident for draconian gun legislation rather than expose the operation.

Further, the assassins are likely dead by now, and if the government knows who is behind it, then perhaps scores will be settled later off the book, but the American people will be no wiser, but likely with much less gun rights.

IOW's In a time of war, I wouldn't underestimate an enemy attempting to exploit the politics and political passions of this country for its own advantage.
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Updated, revised from the previous 'badass' info threads.

I would like to preface this post by saying that in no way, shape, or form do I consider myself to be a 'conspiracy theorist'. Everybody knows that human beings never ever ever behave conspiratorially in any way, and that any collusion between men of means in no way represents an exercise of power or influence.

So, let's start looking into this latest mass shooting with a closed mind, eager to cling to the certain truth that our news is unbiased information that is in no way comparable to the black propaganda used to manipulate public opinion in most countries throughout the whole of recorded history.

In fact, here's a former head of the CIA going before a house committee to state on record that his agency has been quite active in manipulating American media instruments:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Here's a story from 2002 about how The Pentagon plans to release fake media stories to help promote their agenda!

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

Man, it's a good thing that never actually happened! Imagine how confused we'd all be!

Here's footage of CNN actually faking live news reports from a soundstage in front of a bluescreen:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Here's video of Anderson Cooper interviewing a Sandy Hook parent in front of a bluescreen:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Here's the writer of the 9/11 piece for Popular Mechanics being debunked with ease:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Here's EVERY INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST IN AMERICA FAILING TO NOTICE THE OBVIOUS DAY AFTER DAY FOR 12 YEARS:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Here's a link to the Wikipedia entry on Operation Mockingbird:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

"Operation Mockingbird was a secret Central Intelligence Agency campaign to influence media beginning in the 1950s"

Shee, it's a good thing that all such activity clearly stopped, that the CIA had an attack of conscience and pulled back from such questionable activities!

So, let's hope we've established with certainty that funny business can never ever actually happen in the really real world of which we are all certainly a real part.

It should make it easier to stomach the following information!

ERIC HOLDER:

Here's Attorney General Eric Holder proposing that the public needs to be brainwashed against guns.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

OBAMA IS CRYING:

Dead kids really bother Obama. Hence the tears. Hey, don't be such a cynic: it's possible that occasionally The President of The United States has unscripted moments in front of the camera.

DAWN HOCHSPRUNG

Here's some articles about heroic school Principal Dawn Hochsprung, who "died trying to subdue the crazed shooter."

[link to www.thedailybeast.com]

[link to newyork.cbslocal.com]

[link to www.cnn.com]

Here's an article from the local paper Newtown Bee, who I am "guessing" would have been on the scene before the major networks.

[link to imageshack.us (secure)]

I've had to link to a screencap because the original article has since been pulled. It used to be here:

[link to newtownbee.com]

"Sandy Hook School Principal Dawn Hochsprung told the Bee that a masked man entered the school..."

So, the heroic dead Principal was giving out interviews to the local newspaper, was she?

In my experience as a media monitor (we like to call ourselves "information logistics officers" instead of "press clippers", thanks) you want to pay close attention to the way stories break early, and try to catch glitches before they get memory-holed. Usually this is most apparent in small, local newspapers.

Apparently, the person writing this newspaper article didn't know who Dawn Hochsprung is.

Here are some other articles about or featuring Dawn Hochsprung from earlier editions of The Newtown Bee, the local paper in a town of 29,000 people.

New Principals Prepare For First Days In The District: [link to newtownbee.com]

A ‘Musical’ Work Of Art Taking Shape At Sandy Hook School: [link to newtownbee.com]

One School One Read Sparks ‘Lemonade War’ In Sandy Hook: [link to newtownbee.com]

Full-Day Kindergarten Considered: [link to newtownbee.com]

That last article was written by John Voket, associate editor of the Newtown Bee, who also wrote the aforementioned article containing an interview with her after she died.

Very strange.

This thoughtful person has mounted a full investigation of the matter:

[link to www.insanemedia.net]

Alright, let's move on...

ACTORS ON THE SET

Here's the father of poor dead little girl Emilie Parker smiling and laughing. As soon as the camera focuses in on him, he yanks hard on the stick and starts working up the tears.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Nothing unusual so far, right?

Maybe he's smiling because people have strange reactions to grief and intense stress.

What about Victoria Soto, Emilie’s teacher? Is she a real person? Did she really die? Let's ask her grieving family of creepy giggling siblings:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Maybe they're smiling because people have strange reactions to grief and intense stress.

Here's a photo of a family that's been available online since at least May of 2012.

[link to dallasgoldbug.com]

Need a datestamp?

Fine, here's a Youtube video uploaded in May of 2012. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Skip ahead to 16:18 to see the photo in question.

The upstanding gentleman uploading these photos and videos is a class-one nutjob anarchist who thinks that this is a family of actors, "The Greenberg family", that's being used in fake news reports to stage false flag events.

Yes, that means the source for this photo is questionable. That is an ad hominem irrelevence in this case; the photo, its existence, and its datestamp speak for themselves.

Coincidentally, the family he singled out in this instance actually happens to live in Newtown, Connecticut! Wow, he was way off base on this one! Here's "The Greenberg family" being interviewed live on CNN, crying convincingly about the tragic death of poor old heroic Dawn Hochsprung.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Assuming your brain isn't screaming at you to reject out of hand that these are the same people, at this point you should be asking yourself: Why are pictures of Nick and Laura Phelps of Newtown showing up in conspiracy theory videos posted online back in May by people investigating unrelated cases?

Is it coincidence?

Are they identical twins?

Is it bad lighting?

If you're still reading along and aren't thinking this is all a bit funny, then you're probably suffering from cognitive dissonance.

If you want to check this out for yourself, here's the Newtown Bee's directory of local phone numbers. It's searchable!

[link to newtownbee.com]

Give Nick Phelps a call and ask him what he thinks about all this: 203-270-0012

Anyways, moving on...

THE MEDICAL EXAMINER IS JIZZING HIMSELF

Here's a totally convincing series of outtakes from an interview with the 'Medical Examiner' Wayne Carver...

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Yeah, he seems pretty on the ball. I'm glad the government will be making policy recommendations based on his assertions and opinions.

In February of 2011, Wayne Carver requested the passage of Bill 1054, "An Act Concerning the Disclosure of Autopsy Reports" which would prevent thye Office of the Chief Medical Examiner from unilaterally disclosing autopsy reports on pediatric homicides to the general public. Very prescient.

[link to www.cga.ct.gov]

More on the adventures of Dr. Carver:

Chief medical examiner ready to quit
[link to www.wtnh.com]

Carver's Request of passing the provision of Bill 1054
[link to www.cga.ct.gov]

Bill 1054 passed This act shall take effect as follows and shall amend the following sections: Section 1 October 1, 2011 1-210(b)(3)
[link to www.cga.ct.gov]

State M.E. Carver withdraws his resignation
[link to www.ctpost.com]

Asst. M.E. charged with perjury
[link to www.ctpost.com]

DA: Conn. doctor's trial testimony inconsistent
[link to www.boston.com]

Conn. worker placed on leave after allegedly showing husband Adam Lanza's body
[link to www.northjersey.com]

THE EVER-CHANGING STORY

One problem with figuring out what really happened at Sandy Hook is that the story as reported by the media, rather than being clarified over time, seemingly became more fragmented and bizarre.

For example, let's ask The Hartford Courant about their journalism standards:

12/15
"Lanza next arrived at teacher Victoria Soto's classroom. Soto is believed to have hidden her 6- and 7-year old students in a classroom closet. When Lanza demanded to know where the children were, Soto tried to divert him to the other end of the school by saying that her students were in the auditorium.

But six of Soto's students tried to flee. Lanza shot them, Soto and another teacher who was in the room. Later, in their search for survivors, police found the remaining seven of Soto's students still hiding in the closet. They told the police what had happened."

[link to www.courant.com]


12/22

"The arriving officers encountered a shocking scene in Soto's classroom. Lanza had shot her, as well as special education teacher Anne Marie Murphy and six of Soto's 6- and 7-year old students. Seven of Soto's students were found huddled and unharmed in a classroom closet, apparently hidden by Soto when she heard shooting. The other students fled the classroom."

[link to www.courant.com]


12/25

"Does this help explain what Soto would do nearly five years later when gunman Adam Lanza entered her classroom at Sandy Hook Elementary School after slaughtering every child and teacher Lauren Rosseau in the next room? She ushered special education teacher Anne Marie Murphy and several children under her desk. She moved other children behind a bookcase or barrier. When Lanza came in, Soto was the only one he saw. She faced him. He killed her, and then he killed the children and Murphy under the desk. Murphy died shielding a child in her arms. Other children escaped the classroom. Soto's actions saved children's lives."

[link to www.courant.com]


WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH GENE ROSEN?

Let's watch some video footage of Gene Rosen.

Why is he giving the same performance in each video?

Why is he giving the same performance to the spanish news service?

Why is it soooo terrible?

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Here's some high definition aerial footage of Gene Rosen walking aimlessly around the parking lot of the firehouse next door to where he lives at a time when he was supposedly molesting stuffed toys in his livingroom for the amusement of the surviving children:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

THE LONE GUNMAN

So, Adam Lanza, a 20 year old, awkward young man with autism, killed 26 people in under nine minutes with an assault rifle, including the time it took to pause and reload?

Let's see what that kind of gunmanship looks like in the real world:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Well, just what do we know about Adam Lanza?

Adam P. Lanza: Social Security Death Index (SSDI) Death Record
Name: Adam P. Lanza
State of Issue: New Hampshire
Date of Birth: Wednesday April 22, 1992
Date of Death: Thursday December 13, 2012
Est. Age at Death: 20 years, 7 months, 21 days
Confirmation: Proven
[link to www.genealogybank.com]

Adam Lanza the suspected shooter died 1 day before the Sandy Hook event took place, in the state of New Hampshire.

Nancy Lanza: Social Security Death Index (SSDI) Death Record
Name: Nancy Lanza
State of Issue: New Hampshire
Date of Birth: Tuesday September 06, 1960
Date of Death: Friday December 14, 2012
Est. Age at Death: 52 years, 3 months, 8 days
Confirmation: Proven
[link to www.genealogybank.com]


Huh, so the alleged shooter died the day before the Sandy Hook incident, did he?

Was Adam Lanza a Universal Soldier?

Nancy Lanza was then found dead shortly after also in New Hampshire.

She was a teacher at the school:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

No, wait, we need to clarify that, she was a survivalist prepper gun nut:

[link to www.businessinsider.com]

Here's a kid saying he saw a suspect in handcuffs on the ground when leaving the school:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Here's a news report about the arrest of a second shooter:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Here's an eyewitness alleging a man in camo pants with a dark jacket was walked out of the woods and arrested:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Here's the police band chatter from the day of the shooting:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

At 1:35:07 we hear "One suspect may be wearing a nun outfit, headed toward Danbury and Stoney Hill, purple van."

Here's a picture of nuns leaving the scene of the shooting, wearing size 14 shoes, clutching suspiciously at their overcoats:

[link to www.chicagotribune.com]

Here's a closeup shot. Do these girls seem a bit manly to you?

[link to i.huffpost.com]

THE CRIME SCENE:

This article is titled, "CNN video of police charge at Sandy Hook is not Sandy Hook" and is somewhat self-explanatory.

[link to www.digitaljournal.com]


THE MURDER WEAPON:

Here's the medical examiner swearing that the weapon used in all the murders was a .223 Bushmaster rifle.

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Here's CNN reporting that the rifle was found in the trunk of the car:

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Here's MSN reporting the same thing. "We've been told by several officials that he left (the rifle) in the car."

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Here's CBS news reporting that "law enforcement officials" had confirmed that a high-powered rifle had been found in the back of the vehicle.

[link to www.cbsnews.com]

Here's an article from a paper that contradicts the medical examiner's story:

[link to hillnholler.net]

"The gunman was wearing dark clothing, a mask, a bulletproof vest, and was carrying four guns. Investigators said the gunman fired his weapon at least 100 times. Three guns were found — a Glock and a Sig Sauer, both pistols, inside the school, and a .223-caliber rifle in the back of a car."

Here's actual video footage of a longgun, apparently a shotgun, being removed from the trunk of the vehicle. The footage was taken at night, placing it at least 8-10 hours after the shooting, and well after "law enforcement officials" would have issued statements about the .223 rifle included in the news items mentioned above.

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Here's Connecticut police spokesman Paul Vance the next morning, saying specifically that all weapons involved in this incident were recovered in proximity of the shooter:

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PAUL VANCE

Here's the Paul Vance of the Connecticut police threatening to prosecute people who post misinformation about the shooting on social media sites:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

One wonders what would constitute "misinformation" in such a situation, and whether he intends to prosecute CNN for their fuckups.

Let's see what happens when Paul Vance is put to the question. This is also an interesting lesson object in how to actually be a journalist, so fellows like Anderson Cooper might want to take note.

Call 1: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Call 2: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Vance appears in the second of the two calls, but both are somewhat interesting.

Here's Paul Vance dodging a question about Adam Lanza's mother, at the 12:35 mark:

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FURTHER DOWN THE BATPOLE

So let's talk about Satanists, and a bit about Batman.

Here's an introduction to Ted Gunderson:

Theodore L. Gunderson (November 7, 1928 - July 31, 2011 was an American Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent In Charge and head of the Los Angeles FBI. He was most famous for handling the Marilyn Monroe and John F. Kennedy cases. He was the author of the best selling book How to Locate Anyone Anywhere.

Here's a video of Ted alleging the existence of a vast underground network of Satanic pedophiles and drug smugglers operating inside the United States through the alphabet intelligence agencies.

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Hunh. Well, that's a bit weird.

Satanists, you say?

Oh look, the "Church of Satan" has an outpost in Newtown, Connecticut:

[link to www.satanservice.org]

Well, what's the worst that could happen?

Oh, well. Did anything else happen in Newtown, Connecticut this year?

Well, this guy died.

[link to www.imdb.com]

That'd be the guy who drew the words "Sandy Hook" on the prop map of Gotham City used in the movie "the Dark Knight Rises", as seen here:

[link to www.google.ca]

That'd be the movie where there was another somewhat fishy mass shooting earlier this year at the premiere, by the way.

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Scott's boss was this guy, Nathan Crowley:

[link to www.imdb.com]

Nathan is a descendent of Alesteir Crowley:

[link to www.theartnewspaper.com]

If you don't know who Alesteir Crowley is, he's a famous occultist who ran in high society circles a number of decades ago and was functionally a consultant on occult methods to many of the movers and shakers of the day... you know, the sorts of people who might have lots of money to put generational agendas into effect.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Why such people would have any interest in "Batman" is beyond me, but maybe it has to do with him being a sort of Dionysian counterpart to the Apollonic sun god, "Superman", as noted by author Frank Miller, who famously said he views the character as "a dionysian figure, a force for anarchy that imposes an individual order."

These next two videos won't mean anything to the uninitiated who aren't somewhat clued into just what sort of ass-paddling occultic weirdness the aristocracy is heavily into.

Nonetheless, for your consideration, Episode 33 of the show "Batman" entitled "Fine Finny Fiend" wherein we learn that Bruce Wayne's great-grandfather was the founder of Skull and Bones.

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And if that wasn't weird enough for you, here's Episode 911, I mean, 119 of the same show. Dr. Cassandra (Sandy if you prefer to shorten it) and her sidekick Kaballah rob the Alchemical Bank and Trust with an invisibility pill before creating a criminal empire with them at the apex.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Anyways, all I can say for sure is that Connecticut seems to have some well-heeled Batman fans.

[link to ca.ign.com]

Update: Bonus content

So, let's not get carried away with all this. Just because there seem to be weird occult references imbedded in our popular media is no reason to assume a conspiracy or anything.

Let's look at Judy Garland's famous album, "Annie get your gun" released on the Sandy Hook record label.

[link to www.thejudyroom.com]


Let's see what the kids at Sandy Hook elementary are up to these days.


[link to vigilantcitizen.com]

Let's have a quick look at creepy old Gene Rosen's (of Newtown) website, which has since been taken down, but luckily was screencaptured.

[link to i.imgur.com]

There is, indeed, no place like home, Gene.
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I just checked the SSDI on genealogybank.com, and it now lists Adam L's date of death as Friday, December 14, 2012, and his age at death as 20 years, 7 months, 22 days. Do you have a screen capture of it giving different information before? It still does list the state of issue for the death certificate as New Hampshire, however.
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Just trying to feel out what sort of proof you would find convincing. Rob, what are your thoughts on the critical rationalist epistemology (per Karl Popper) and non-aristotelean logic in general? Do you think that logical positivists and fideists share similar traits in that they both subscribe to dogmatism tied to an assumption of the infallibility of human faculties? Do you have any thoughts on the problem of cognitive dissonance and the broader implications of using scientifically-crafted propaganda techniques being used to exploit perceptual disorders?

Just suggesting that maybe the reason you're not seeing your proof is comparable to the reason that a fat guy can't see his own dick.
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lets turn that around a little--maybe "truthers" are bending over so far and bending their bodies in ridulous ways to see their dick from a certain vantage point--i.e.--a vantage point that makes it look bigger--when really its not.--?
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I have watched that "recycling " video numerous times...paused it, played back--zoomed in...and you know what I see? The same scenes RERUN by the maker of this video! It is pathetic that any stock would be put in this. I see numerous people running-or walking very fast up to others (as if they are arriving and coming up to people wondering what is going on), I see the same woman in aqua pants walk in the door more than once--and trust me--it is not her doing it--it is a looping video...Sad. very sad.
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lets turn that around a little--maybe "truthers" are bending over so far and bending their bodies in ridulous ways to see their dick from a certain vantage point--i.e.--a vantage point that makes it look bigger--when really its not.--?


ROTF. Flash forward a few months. Imagine everyone comes clean and says yeah, "Sandy Hook was a country wide mock shooting exercise devised by DHS to alert the country to the danger of guns in the hand of the mentally ill and criminals.

No kids died. Robbie and krew come out and give "oh gosh," interviews with Good Morning America, and Diane Sawyer. The Sandy Hook dead kids and teachers give interviews and how the sacrifice of playing out a drill was worth it to save little children from gun violence. Movie deals and even a Tv series. Media heros. What a brilliant stunt!

Imagine that. And what would anyone do? What could anyone do but bitch? No laws were broken. It would be forgotten in a few months. Like Corsine losing 6 billion dollars. Like the Pentagon losing 2.3 trillion the day before 911. Like a lot of shit going on.

Most people wouldn't care or give a shit, or couldn't even give a cogent reason why the government and media shouldn't lie, as long as they got a check coming in, food in frig and cable television.
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lets turn that around a little--maybe "truthers" are bending over so far and bending their bodies in ridulous ways to see their dick from a certain vantage point--i.e.--a vantage point that makes it look bigger--when really its not.--?
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ROTF. Flash forward a few months. Imagine everyone comes clean and says yeah, "Sandy Hook was a country wide mock shooting exercise devised by DHS to alert the country to the danger of guns in the hand of the mentally ill and criminals.

No kids died. Robbie and krew come out and give "oh gosh," interviews with Good Morning America, and Diane Sawyer. The Sandy Hook dead kids and teachers give interviews and how the sacrifice of playing out a drill was worth it to save little children from gun violence. Movie deals and even a Tv series. Media heros. What a brilliant stunt!

Imagine that. And what would anyone do? What could anyone do but bitch? No laws were broken. It would be forgotten in a few months. Like Corsine losing 6 billion dollars. Like the Pentagon losing 2.3 trillion the day before 911. Like a lot of shit going on.

Most people wouldn't care or give a shit, or couldn't even give a cogent reason why the government and media shouldn't lie, as long as they got a check coming in, food in frig and cable television.


And what happens in a few months, years--and that DOESNT happen--you will STILL think what you think no matter how much there is to the contrary. I would at least say out loud--"wow, i was fucking wrong"--but foilers like you NEVER will do that--you will keep believeing what you want with NO PROOF.
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And what happens in a few months, years--and that DOESNT happen--you will STILL think what you think no matter how much there is to the contrary. I would at least say out loud--"wow, i was fucking wrong"


ROTFLMAO. Gee if you said that, it might make you a tin foil truther. On top of that, even thinking building seven might not have free fallen in its own footprint by fire makes you a truther in some circles.
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