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The USA is finished in Iraq

 
indred cole
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03/28/2006 01:45 AM
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The USA is finished in Iraq
Whether they know it or not and i'm sure they do.

Looks like BushCo have 2 choices left at least according to this and supporting articles.

[link to gloomanddoom.blogspot.com]

Things are starting to happen fast in Iraq now...

The recent mosque massacre by the US has stripped away the last vestiages of Shia cooperation...

But the Shia were playing the Americans for suckers in Iraq from day one.

Now what? ...how does this all end?

I suspect that the Americans will soon be "asked" to leave Iraq...by EVERYONE involved in the region...to wit: "Our Enemies." Bush has absolutely NO FRIENDS in the entire world now...! And that is hard for a US president to do.

The problem is that Bush & Co will soon be forced to "drop the mask" and reveal the true nature of their mission all along...to wit: the domination of the middle east for Oil and for Israel...

Bush will be on the horns of a dilemma then...TOTAL WAR or QUICK PULL OUT...?

And he will decide to pull out...

The war will be unwinnable short of a near total genocide against the Iraqi people...and perhaps all Muslims...

Bush doesn't have the mental capacity or the manpower to make that choice.

How grim the NYTimes article seems...almost an unreal tone to it.

I can't access the NYT article as its by subscription.

Then here.

[link to wsws.org]
Anonymous Coward
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03/28/2006 01:50 AM
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I read this to..big troubles for Bush and the soldiers in Iraq......and apparently Blair told Bush forget about the Brits going in with the US against Iran...
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03/28/2006 01:51 AM
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<<The war will be unwinnable short of a near total genocide against the Iraqi people...and perhaps all Muslims...>>

Check the population numbers of that region in about 30 years.

If 86% of all US forces there in 1991 are now disabled. I do well imagine that the Iraqi diability rates among their general populations are going be be quite high as well.. .that and massive birth defects producing children born that cannot possibly survive, and you will have a negative population growth. Why do you think the USA didn't go in with a million troops like a real occupation army would do? Work it through, figure it out. There are more than one reason troop strength has been so limited.
BO (nli)
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03/28/2006 01:52 AM
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Yep and major news networks are not carrying this news among their top news.

Here is the BBC link (at least it was on the first page)

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

News footage taken after the attack seemed to belie US assertions that troops had not entered or damaged any sacred building during the raid.

...

The tape showed a tangle of male bodies and spent 5.56mm bullet casings on the blood-smeared floor - the kind of ammunition used by the US military.

...

[This is a gem]

"In our observation of the place and the activities that were going on, it's difficult for us to consider this a place of prayer," said US military spokesman Barry Johnson.

"It was not identified by us as a mosque, though we certainly recognised it as a community gathering centre. I think this is frankly a matter of perception," he added.

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Wow..What a play of words..
Black Viper Rex

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03/28/2006 01:53 AM
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Urban Vietnam. That's right. You read it here first. Memorize that term.
Do not believe anything I say.
Shadow

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03/28/2006 01:58 AM
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[link to www.rense.com]
Over the side and damn the barracuda
Askakido

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03/28/2006 02:00 AM
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Brought to you by the [link to wsws.org] World Socialist Web Site... a mouth piece of the CPA? (Communist Party of America) Yet another party that runs canidates for the US Presidency. Bet you didn't know that. [link to www.cpusa.org] Communist Party USA.
indred cole (OP)

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03/28/2006 02:06 AM
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one paragraph of the second article states

"Reuters news agency Monday cited Iraq’s security minister accusing “US and Iraqi forces of killing 37 unarmed civilians in the mosque after tying them up.” Other police sources said that the victims numbered around 20."

There are several corresponding articles on the net all relaying the same story.

I picked 2.
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03/28/2006 02:10 AM
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American troops are dying needlessly in the middle east. Bush cannot impose his version of democracy on this neanderthal people. No matter what we do, they will empower clerics or warlords to lead them, that is their way, not our way. There will always be civil war between Shiites and Sunni, we cannot change that. When will America's policy makers realize this ? We need to bring our children home and leave these people to their own chosen fate. I support our troops, BRING THEM HOME.
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indred cole, I am not besmurging you. It is good to read these other sources. It just helps to know the propoganda source of what one is reading. Helps one decide how much they want to believe what they are reading.

For every position taken there is an exact opposite position and a million shades of grey in between the two.
indred cole (OP)

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03/28/2006 02:18 AM
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Did you read the NYT article? Its from your own country.

I read part of it and like what was said:

"How grim the NYTimes article seems...almost an unreal tone to it."
Shadow

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03/28/2006 02:26 AM
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>For every position taken there is an exact opposite position and a million shades of grey in between the two.<

So true. You can't even read both sides to get a middle ground because so few actually report all the facts.
Over the side and damn the barracuda
bvndy
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03/28/2006 03:02 AM
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hey we still have a few more sand monkeys to kill, a few more tons of DU
to get rid of(the solution to our power plant waste storage problem!)
and some more mud huts to blow the fuck up.
THEN we'll leave
Anonymous Coward
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03/28/2006 03:06 AM
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How many jews fit in a VW bundy?


Two in the front, three in the back....


and 47 in the ashtray!


btw how are things at the KKK lodge?
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03/28/2006 03:45 AM
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Its funny that this was stated to the administration by Colin Powell before the shooting war started. - He said, in effect, if you break it, you bought it.
Now, we are in an unwinnable war. At the cost of over 2000 servicemen dead, 20000 wounded, and anywhere between 200 billion to 1 trillion dollars spent.
I have no choice but to think its either the Neocon agenda, or the oil agenda.
If its oil, what could we have developed for alternative energy if we put the war money into R&D. If its the Neocon agenda, how many Palestinians could we have paid to move, and how many Iraqi soldiers could we have bankrolled to get Sadaam out of the way.
It is so non-sensical that I say its either absolute idiocy and incompetence on the part of the administration, or out and out treason.
Shadow

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03/28/2006 03:48 AM
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73943 found this, it's a long and involved read, but I think it's where and why it all began.

[link to www.john-loftus.com]
Over the side and damn the barracuda
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03/28/2006 04:04 AM
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"The war will be unwinnable short of a near total genocide against the Iraqi people...and perhaps all Muslims...

Bush doesn't have the mental capacity or the manpower to make that choice."

He may not... but others do. I think genocide of Muslims is a perfectly viable choice here. What do they really offer the rest of human civilization? What do they really bring to the table? ANYTHING?

Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Nothing.

Never have.

Never will.

Useless eaters.
Matrix
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03/28/2006 04:10 AM
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[link to www.abc.net.au]

Rice predicts significant US pullout from Iraq within a year.

United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says it is probable the United States will make what she has described as a significant reduction of US troops in Iraq within a year......doomsol
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03/28/2006 04:15 AM
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It has cost the average American household $20,000. That was money that could have been spent on education and infra-structure.
Shadow

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03/28/2006 04:21 AM
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56924 it's heartening to know that you support spending (latest estimates) 1-2 trillion dollars and thousands of American lives and 10s of thousands of American futures on insuring Hussein does not torture or kill anybody anymore.
So disconcerning.
Over the side and damn the barracuda
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03/28/2006 05:25 AM
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Sorry, I guess I was not logged on my earlier reply.

Shadow, to quote Nikita Kruschev,"When it comes time to hang the capitalistic west, an American business man will sell me the rope"
I guess the rope has been sold.

To the poster who advocates millions of more deaths , I ask, did you feel that way before 9-11? Or is your statement because of 9-11.
If its because of 9-11, and the link that Shadow posted is true, then aren't some of our leaders culpable also? The "do not investigate the Saudis" is a pretty well know and stated by many intel and fed types.
Or do you hate arabs and muslims on principle alone because of the actions of OBL and his clan. Maybe we should hate Christians because of McVeigh
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03/28/2006 05:25 AM
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murikkka is finished...full stop...

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