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Tensions between Romania and Hungary-Atilla the HUN descendents want romanian land

 
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No land belongs to anyone as we are all just
here as temporary custodians...and sadly
we are not very good at that either.
ohyeah
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yep
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fuck Romania those gypsies fucks i support Hungary my turkic brothers!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32080427


Well said!

I have heard enough from the romanians, they genetically hate us.

It's a shame because the real enemy are the gypsies and we white guys should unite.

Let Transsylvania be and independent separate state because it's unlikely that our romanian "broders" will create a wellfare state there, they had enough time for that, let people vote if they want to break away from the romanian state.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26985611


Transylvania is less than 20% Hungarian.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589518


yes and funny how in 1595 Transylvania had 55% Hungarians, 22% Romanians and 22% Germans with a total population of 495.000. Then in 1600 it suddenly had 60% Romanians with a total population of about 500.000! And remember what happened in 1600? No? Well, look it up... hint: Mihai the Brave and Giorgio Basta....

do you think it might be possible that these guys MURDERED about 100.000 Hungarians between about 1599 and 1601... or did 100.000 Hungarians just flee from Transylvania?!

Ever since 1600, the Hungarians were a minority in Transylvania

Here, do some reading and learn some REAL history...


[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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I hope this doesn't mean that more Romanians and Hungarians will come here to steal our jobs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14505884


Well, does "stealing" your jobs mean that an employer would choose us over your cause we actually KNOW how to work?! If so, then yeah, I guess we are stealing your jobs.
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UPDATE :

The Hungarian Foreign Ministry asks Romania to solve this situation by modifying or simply annolment of romanians laws regarding flags.


NOW this is some that is unbeliavle.Hungary ASKING another EU country to MODIFY or ANNUL one of their laws !!!


As for those who are taking Hungary side and thinking that gypsies are now Roma and are calle dthat because Romania word root...you are idiots.It is called after Roma, the capital of Italy, because it is the city with highest gypsy population in the world.

I hope Hungary doesn't start something stupid...we occupied them once, we can do it again.Their army is a joke (23 tanks lol) and I wish their government to keep it sane.
 Quoting: recollector


Right, cause Romania NEVER ever asked Hungary to change any of their laws ..... LMAO@you

And Brussels has NEVER ever asked Hungary to modify or annul any of its laws... right?
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fuck Romania those gypsies fucks i support Hungary my turkic brothers!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32080427


Well said!

I have heard enough from the romanians, they genetically hate us.

It's a shame because the real enemy are the gypsies and we white guys should unite.

Let Transsylvania be and independent separate state because it's unlikely that our romanian "broders" will create a wellfare state there, they had enough time for that, let people vote if they want to break away from the romanian state.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26985611


Transylvania is less than 20% Hungarian.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589518



The gypsies NEVER asked a teritory, the hungarians did.

How about we go in hungary, take half of the country (as the Austro-Hungarian Empire did), populate that half of Hungary with 3-4 millions of romanians, and after 50 years, when romanians will be 80% of the population, ask Hungary to allow that half of Hungary to become independent.

Do you understand that we will obliterate Hungary if it comes to teritorial war?
 Quoting: recollector


dude, before Mihai Viteazul, the Hungarian population in Transylvania was 55%!!! Romanians 22%, Germans 22%...

again, learn some REAL history
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Romanian Gypsies

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Romanians are Turks thinking they are French.




Frankly speaking, there were no Romania prior 1881. There were three different historical countries populated by Romanian people in various ratio: Moldavia, Wallachia and Transylvania. Whole Transylvania infrastructure and culture was established by Hungarians and Germans (Saxon colonists) so Romanians have no historical rights for this country.
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at last, someone who knows REAL history.

Just go to Transylvania and look at the historical evidence ... whatever wasn't destroyed on purpose by Ceausescu that is!!

Even the first University in Transylvania was founded by HUNGARIANS!! 1581, István Báthory, Kolozsvár
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Not one of you who have written on this thread have any clue as to who you really are.

You can't prove your history because most of you have destroyed the traces of your own histroy.

The future will reveal everything for everyone.

And most will be very sad to find that the history they thought was theirs is only lies.

Don't be so fast to lay blame and hatred because every word,every action has it's reaction.
 Quoting: Goodseed


You might be right, tho you are not, just because I know my country's history.

I know that we, romanians, ethnically epurated hungarians.I know that we did it after the same shit hungarians did.

Romania, as a country, is STILL with helluva lost teritories.You don't see us asking ukranian teritorries.We want Mondavia to be again a romanian teritory, but we don't ask this OFICCIALY.

We know that we CANNOT match Ukraine or Russia.We accept the treaties that took 30% of our countries teritory.

The ROMAN history papers (2,200 years old) told about Dacia, a teritory lived by barbarians.

Take a Roman Empire map, see where Dacia was, than take a Europe map from 1918.Romanian (the bigger one) teritory is EXACTLY matched by Dacia.We lost Moldavia to USSR, northern Bukovina to Ukraine, some teritories in south to Bulgaria, and eastern side to Hungary.


What Hungary wants is OUR teritory since over 2,000 years ago.The Hungarian ancestors came from mongolian steppes 1,000 years LATER.

There is NOT EVEN ONE BIT of romanian teritory that was hungarian.The only romanian teritory that was under enemy occupation, was under AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE...but Austria accepted that they were imperialistic and that teritory was NEVER theirs.Hungarians can't do the same?

Hungarians are insane.They should be happy with what they have.It is theirs alone, BUT nothing more!
 Quoting: recollector



dude, the history you "know" was taught to you by ROMANIANS! It was also taught to me and guess what... I was interested enough to LOOK IT UP somewhere else too... and guess what... the Romanian history books are FABRICATED LIES in order to make the Dacian theory plausible.

Ceausescu knowingly DESTROYED any piece of historical evidence he could put his hands on that would prove the contrary...

So, sorry, but what you think you know is only a LIE.
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Romanians are Turks thinking they are French.




Frankly speaking, there were no Romania prior 1881. There were three different historical countries populated by Romanian people in various ratio: Moldavia, Wallachia and Transylvania. Whole Transylvania infrastructure and culture was established by Hungarians and Germans (Saxon colonists) so Romanians have no historical rights for this country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33867455


A polach that don't know even his OWN country history.


Dude, Lechia (oldest Poland) fought with Moldavia (older romanian principate) in 1400 !!!
In 1601, Mihai I united all 3 pricipates.

Based on your idiot logic, there was never a country named Poland until 1918, after you regained independence

Don't be stupid man.

First, you are wrong.The Germans and Hungarians did WHAT?Established the infrastucture???
After OCCUPIED us?

Even if youa re right, I don't see Germany asking Transilvania? Do you ?

Yes, we were 3 principates, not one country.

The polachs were tribes 2,000 years ago, and they didn't called themselves polachs.Does this mean polachs are somaleze thinking they are italians?
 Quoting: recollector



You are ridiculous with your history knowledge.


Listen dirty gypsy boy!


First, "Poles".

Second, ask your teacher in elementary school about history, f.g. history of Moldavia - vassal state of Kingdom of Poland from XIV century till second part of XVI century.

Third - you obtain Transylvania after WWI and WWII only thanks to others not by own effort.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33867455



Ohh, someone beated with his logic goes mad!

As for Moldavia, it was an ALLY of LECHIA.

Btw, your history is right for you and wrong for me.

As for this tread, this is between Roamania and Hungary.

Poland, AGAIN, was erased from Europe map, in 1939, by Germany and USSR, THE SAME AS PART OF ROMANIA WAS by Austro-Hungary.

You should understand that both our countries were INVADED by other hostile empires.

As for how we "obtained" Transilvania...we eliberated it from Austro-Hungarian occupation BY OURSELVES, with NO HELP from anyone, in the process beating hungarian army in 3 weeks and occipying Hungary a week later, just to have them drink the same medicine!

After USSR and France HUGE PRESURES (USSR threated with invasion) we retreat from Hungary.

USSR, the BOLSHEVIC EMPIRE took Hungary's side!!

What does this tell you?
 Quoting: recollector


sorry, but you're just plain ignorant....

Here is some history lesson about WWI:

"Romania entered the war in an attempt to seize Transylvania, a historical province of Hungary with a majority-Romanian population. Despite initial successes, the combined Russo-Romanian forces suffered several setbacks and by the end of 1916 only Moldavia remained under Allied control. After several defensive victories in 1917, the Allied front collapsed when the Bolsheviks took Russia out of the war and Romania, left surrounded by the Central Powers, signed an armistice at Focşani. On November 10, 1918, just one day before the German armistice and when all the other Central Powers had already capitulated, Romania belatedly re-entered the war."
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Many people call us ancient Hungarians "mongols" but we fought againts YOUR mongols in 1222, so please stop your idiocy or you'll be treated like that. Be fair, the dinosaurs were FIRST here (with space people). Also, Central Europe was a sea bottom millions of years ago and it'll be a sea bottom in a few million years

By the way, look at the Hungarian superiority, despite many countries hate us we did well in the Olympics 2012...where are the super-romanians on that table.

Scroll down to the middle of the page:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I bash romanians because history clearly shows who they really are.

Example: In WWII they were allies of Germany but when the heat was turned on they sided with the russian communists then betrayed and backstabbed Germany while we Hungarians fought aganinst the russian army of devils until the end, never betraying the Germans.

Romanian only want land land land BUT can they show us a DEVELOPMENT of ANYTHING except creating more gypsies?

If romania would be like (West) Germany then I would say they were talented people using our stolen land well, but they have absolutely nothing, no welfare system of any kind.

Here in Sweden it's full of romanian beggars on the streets, subways; strange, I thought they could create much welfare from our stolen land...but how could thieves do that? LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26985611


THIS
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of course of course romanians are dacians and romans and all that, and they learned latin from the romans themselves in that 150 years when it was Dacia province... yea right, then why didn't the inhabitants of Britannia province became latin speakers in roughly 400 years the romans occupied it? and if you say you were there from the beginnings of time, why didn't you do anything against us 'terrible oppressive' Hungarians for about 1000 years?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18612185


....yes, and how come Hungarians KEPT THEIR LANGUAGE despite the Roman occupation.... hmmm
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Romanians are Turks thinking they are French.




Frankly speaking, there were no Romania prior 1881. There were three different historical countries populated by Romanian people in various ratio: Moldavia, Wallachia and Transylvania. Whole Transylvania infrastructure and culture was established by Hungarians and Germans (Saxon colonists) so Romanians have no historical rights for this country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33867455

LOL maybe Vlad Tepes was polish and we don't know that !
Do you think hungarians look like europeans ,take a look !

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I hope this doesn't mean that more Romanians and Hungarians will come here to steal our jobs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14505884


Well, does "stealing" your jobs mean that an employer would choose us over your cause we actually KNOW how to work?! If so, then yeah, I guess we are stealing your jobs.
 Quoting: musicadi


nah, you just work for less
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White christian nations should not go to war with each other. It's so darn stupid.

But if I must chose, I'd support Romania.
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Romanians are Turks thinking they are French.




Frankly speaking, there were no Romania prior 1881. There were three different historical countries populated by Romanian people in various ratio: Moldavia, Wallachia and Transylvania. Whole Transylvania infrastructure and culture was established by Hungarians and Germans (Saxon colonists) so Romanians have no historical rights for this country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33867455


at last, someone who knows REAL history.

Just go to Transylvania and look at the historical evidence ... whatever wasn't destroyed on purpose by Ceausescu that is!!

Even the first University in Transylvania was founded by HUNGARIANS!! 1581, István Báthory, Kolozsvár
 Quoting: musicadi


You guys came to middle Europe in 9th century.
First kingdom AD 1000.

Slovaks had great Moravian dutchy in 6th century where today's Hungary exists.
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Romanian Gypsies


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Romanians are Turks thinking they are French.




Frankly speaking, there were no Romania prior 1881. There were three different historical countries populated by Romanian people in various ratio: Moldavia, Wallachia and Transylvania. Whole Transylvania infrastructure and culture was established by Hungarians and Germans (Saxon colonists) so Romanians have no historical rights for this country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33867455


at last, someone who knows REAL history.

Just go to Transylvania and look at the historical evidence ... whatever wasn't destroyed on purpose by Ceausescu that is!!

Even the first University in Transylvania was founded by HUNGARIANS!! 1581, István Báthory, Kolozsvár
 Quoting: musicadi


You guys came to middle Europe in 9th century.
First kingdom AD 1000.

Slovaks had great Moravian dutchy in 6th century where today's Hungary exists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34963193


LOL, all it took was 1 minute of googling to disappoint you:

"Moravia (Czech: Morava; German: About this sound Mähren; Polish: Morawy; Latin: Moravia) is a historical region in Central Europe in the east of the Czech Republic and one of the historical Czech lands, together with Bohemia and Czech Silesia. It was also one of the 17 former crown lands of the Cisleithanian part of the Austro-Hungarian empire in 1867-1918"

sorry to disappoint you again, but we were here WAY before the 9th century :)

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]


Besides, regarding Moravia (which btw only lasted for 70 years!.... I wonder why):

"...historians state that the indigenous Slavs of Great Moravia have died out..."
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9teen Sheeee while the rest of us where obsessing with the Super bowl and gun control it seems that WWI is about to reignite in the Balkans.
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Ok, this will be a LOOONG post, but bare with me. I will try to be as objective as I can, but it will be not easy :)
Hopefully this will sort out things for some of you (us) once and for all:

First let's LISTEN to both national anthems. That will kinda give you a glimpse of the spirit of the two nations:

Romanian:
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Hungarian:
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Now let's see the lyrics (I'll only post the English translations and bold out important statements)... that will tell you a few things about what both nations "think" their history is, things that are considered important enough to be stated in a national anthem:

Romanian (1848, Andrei Muresianu)- national anthem since 1990


1
Romanian, awaken your Spirit from the sleep of Death
Impressed upon you by Tyrannies of barbarians;
Now or never, fashion a new Fate,
Stronger than your foes', Fate for them to bow to.
2
Now or never, our legacy prove to all,
That through our veins still flows the Blood of Ancient Rome
That in our chests we proudly hail a Name,
Triumphant in battle, the Name of Trajan.
(1)
3
Raise your strong brow and gaze around you
As trees stand in a forest, brave youths, a hundred thousand
An order they await, ready to pounce, as wolves among the sheep
Old men, and young, from mountains high and open plains.
4
Gaze mightily, glorious shadows, Michael, Stephen, Corvine(2)
The Romanian nation, your descendants,
With weapons in their hands, with your Fire burning
"Life in Liberty or Death", all shout together.
5
You were vanquished by the evils of envy
By the blind disunity at the Milcov and Carpathians
But we, our Spirit touched by saintly Liberty,
Swear allegiance, to be forever Brothers.
6
A widowed mother from the time of Michael the Great
Asks of her sons a helping hand today
And curses, with tears in her eyes, whosoever
In times of such great danger, proves to be a traitor.
7
May lightning bolts, thunder and brimstone kill
Whoever retreats from the glorious battle
When motherland or mother, with a tender heart,
Will ask us to pass through sword and flame.
8
Is not enough the yatagan of the barbaric crescent
Whose fatal wounds we feel burning today;
Now, the knout intrudes on our ancestral lands,
But with God as witness, we will fight it to the Death
9
Is not enough the despotism and its unseeing eye
Which for centuries enslaved us, as cattle?
Now, attempt the cruel, in their blind haughtiness,
To steal our Language, but we will fight them to the Death
10
Romanians of the four corners, now or never,
Be United in your Thoughts, United in your Feelings
Shout out to the world that the Danube is stolen
Through intrigue and coercion, malicious plots.
11
Priests, with the Cross before you, as the army is Christian,
The motto is Liberty and its goal eternal
Better dead in battle, in full glory
Than be enslaved again in our ancestral homeland.


Hungarian (1823, Kölcsey Ferenc)- national anthem since 1989

1. O Lord, bless the nation of Hungary
With your grace and bounty
Extend toward it your guarding arm
During strife with its enemies
Long torn by ill fate
Bring upon it a time of relief
This nation has suffered for all sins
Of the past and of the future!

2. You brought our ancestors up
Over the Carpathians' holy peaks
By You was won a beautiful homeland
For Bendegúz's sons
(3)
And wherever flow the rivers of
The Tisza and the Duna
Árpád our hero's descendants(4)
Will root and bloom.

3. For us on the plains of the Kuns
You ripened the wheat
In the grape fields of Tokaj
You dripped sweet nectar
Our flag you often planted
On the wild Turk's earthworks
And under Mátyás' grave army whimpered
Vienna's "proud fort."

4. Oh, but for our sins
Anger gathered in Your bosom
And You struck with Your lightning
From Your thundering clouds
Now the plundering Mongols' arrows
You swarmed over us
Then the Turks' slave yoke
We took upon our shoulders.

5. How often came from the mouths
Of Osman's barbarian nation
Over the corpses of our defeated army
A victory song!
How often did your own son agress
My homeland, upon your breast,
And you became because of your own sons
Your own sons' funeral urn!

6. The fugitive hid, and towards him
The sword reached into his cave
Looking everywhere he could not find
His home in his homeland
Climbs the mountain, descends the valley
Sadness and despair his companions
Sea of blood beneath his feet
Ocean of flame above.

7. Castle stood, now a heap of stones
Happiness and joy fluttered,
Groans of death, weeping
Now sound in their place.
And Ah! Freedom does not bloom
From the blood of the dead,
Torturous slavery's tears fall
From the cold eyes of the orphans!

8. Redeem, O Lord, the Hungarians
Who are tossed by waves of danger
Extend toward it your guarding arm
On the sea of its misery
Long torn by ill fate
Bring upon it a time of relief
They who have suffered for all sins
Of the past and of the future!


As you can see, the Romanian anthem is sort of a march which encourages Romanians to stand up and fight and may those who retreat from the battle be killed by thunder and lightning - a pretty "peaceful" anthem, isn't it

The Hungarian anthem is sort of a mourning, a prayer to God to bring a time of relief already upon them, as they have payed the price for their sins. - a pretty "aggressive" anthem, right?


NOTES:
(1)... so according to the Romanian anthem, Romanians have ROMAN blood flowing through their veins... hence, they are ROMANS... there isn't any mention of any Dacian in their national anthem....

Also, they hail the name of the triumphant Trajan, the Roman emperor who conquered Dacia.

Question: IF Romanians are the descendants of Dacians, like they say, then WHY would they hail the name of the person who annihilated and enslaved the Dacians?

Possible answer, which is also found in the lyrics: because their ancestors are ROMANS! ROMAN-IA... and not Dacia..?! Actually people from the Roman Empire who were mainly slaves, deserters and villains brought to work in the gold mines.

(2) Corvinus - a hint to John Hunyadi (Hungarian: Hunyadi János, Latin: Ioannes Corvinus, Romanian: Iancu de Hunedoara), who was "a leading Hungarian military and political figure in the 15th-century". His wife was Erzsébet Szilágyi, His son, Hunyadi Mátyás became the king of Hungary from 1458 at the age 14 until his death in 1490

"The Hunyadi family (also Hunyady in historical sources) was a Hungarian noble family... According to the majority of sources they were of Romanian (Wallachian) origins. This is claimed by medieval authors and by many modern historians, however there are also theories about Cuman or Slavic ancestries."

"The first recorded member of the family was Serbe... The name Serbe might be of Turkic or Slavic origin because there are researches suggesting Tatar-Cuman or Slavic descendance. His son Vojk adopted the name László and practiced Catholicism"

The mention of Corvinus in the Romanian anthem is due to his possible Romanian ancestry and for establishing the careers of both Stephen III of Moldavia and the controversial Vlad III of Wallachia

He is considered a Hungarian national hero and praised as its defender against the Ottoman threat. He was born into and ably served the Kingdom of Hungary and the Catholic Church. Hunyadi was a member of the Hungarian aristocracy and a subject of the Hungarian crown.

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(3)Bendegúz was a Hunnic prince, father of Attila the Hun.

So, according to the Hungarian anthem, Hungarians are descendants of Huns, hence the name Hun-gary. The Huns first arrived in Pannonia around 370 AD.

(4) Árpád (c. 840 – c. 907) was the second Grand Prince of the Hungarians. Árpad led 10 tribes (Onogurs) in what was known as the second hun invasion in Europe.

So, again, it is considered that Hungarians are the descendants of the Huns, which invaded Europe TWICE. First around 370 AD and then around 890 AD.

Okay, let's move on and take a look at some place names from Transylvania, as this is the "disputed" territory.

The largest river of Transylvania is called Maris in Latin, Maros in Hungarian, Mures in Romanian and Mieresch or Marosch in German. The origin of the name is unknown.

Well, in Hungarian "maros" is an existing word, meaning "something that bites". The names in the other languages have no meaning, at least none to my knowledge. Interestingly enough, the stream of the river has many sharp curves and it violently "bites" through the land.

Question: why would the Hungarians (who according to "official" history haven't even been in Transylvania until 896 AD) give Transylvania's largest river a perfectly meaningful name which also DESCRIBES the character of the river's stream?!?! Why isn't there a Dacian name for the river? Why does the name of the river seem to come from Mare (sea)... although the river doesn't directly feed into a sea?! Maros - Maris... could it be that the origin of the name Maris is actually Maros?!

The river originates from a mountain named Hasmasu Mare (EDIT: sorry, Romanian diacritics are somehow not recognized) in Romanian, a name which means "The Big Hasmasu".

The Hungarian name of the mountain is Nagy-Hagymás, which literally means the big bulbous. Interestingly enough, the form of the mountain could be called bulbous, as it is not spiky, but rather curved, just like a bulb!! Judge for yourselves:

[link to hu.wikipedia.org (secure)]

So, again, question: why would the Hungarian name of the mountain from where Transylvania's largest river originate have a perfect meaning and also why does it seem to describe the FORM of that specific mountain?!?! If Romanians where there first, why does the Romanian name of the mountain mean nothing and moreover, why does it seem to copy the sound of the Hungarian name? Hagymás - Hasmasu

I could go on and on and on with hundreds if not thousands of similar examples. In all cases, the Hungarian names of places in Transylvania have a meaning in Hungarian and in all cases DESCRIBE the given place, whereas the Romanian names for the same places DON'T have any meaning and they all seem to copy the sound of the Hungarian name instead.

So tell me, how is this possible if Romanians where there first?

OVER AND OUT

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musicadi is right , hungarians invented walking , the wheel, fire , sleeping with closed eyes and the whole land of Romania belongs to them ,in fact the whole Europe is actually theirs because Nimrod left them in his will.
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Nimrod? What's he got to do with Hungarians?
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Apparently the "forefather" of hungarians
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Sure. Apparently many Balkan people have an over-exaggerated superiority complex. :p
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musicadi is right , hungarians invented walking , the wheel, fire , sleeping with closed eyes and the whole land of Romania belongs to them ,in fact the whole Europe is actually theirs because Nimrod left them in his will.
I bet youre catholic.
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Right, here comes sarcasm instead of counter-facts

I haven't invented any of the above, one just needs to think and will surely see the holes in the stories they feed us.

History is all faked and it's faked for a reason... in order to hide the REAL origin of humanity and in order to conceal its legacy and its wiseness, so it can be easily enslaved.

This thread, as "objective" as it claims to be is actually doing nothing more than helping the good old DIVIDE ET IMPERA tactic... I'm not saying it's on purpose, it might only be people falling for the trap (including myself).

It's easier to say someone is lying or making things up than to accept any claims that might shake our perception of reality.

My personal opinion is that most people living on the planet today carry the "ancient gene" in a more or less percentage.

From Hungarian point of view, the main "carriers" of these genes seem to be in the order of their appearance the Sumerians, Scythians, Celts, Huns. They are actually the same people, with different names.

From Romanian point of view this could be Sumerians-Scythians-Celts-Thracians.

So if you follow the line back, you would see that the source is THE SAME! It's all just mixed up on purpose in order for us to be controllable!! If you hate your neighbor then it's very easy for an outsider to get your help in killing him for example. BUT if you know who your neighbor REALLY is, then you tell the outsider to go fuck himself when he comes to ask for your help!

P.S. I'm not following any dogma or cult and never have... so no, I'm not a catholic!
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Sure. Apparently many Balkan people have an over-exaggerated superiority complex. :p
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The Balkans:
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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OK. I will rephrase. Many people from the Balkans and the Pannonian Basin have have an over-exaggerated superiority complex. even here in Serbia we have self-proclaimed history experts claiming that Nimrod was a serb whose real name was Nino Belov. Google it if you do not believe me :)
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sorry musicadi for earlier , the thing is that we are neighbors , the troubles are cooked up in offices in Budapest and Bucharest , common hungarians and romanians get along just fine..if you think about it, we are fighting over nothing.
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OK. I will rephrase. Many people from the Balkans and the Pannonian Basin have have an over-exaggerated superiority complex. even here in Serbia we have self-proclaimed history experts claiming that Nimrod was a serb whose real name was Nino Belov. Google it if you do not believe me :)
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so then... has anyone even asked the question: what if we ALL have the same ancestors?! That would make all of us seem pretty fkn silly, wouldn't it? :)... apart from our ancestors turning in their graves
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sorry musicadi for earlier , the thing is that we are neighbors , the troubles are cooked up in offices in Budapest and Bucharest , common hungarians and romanians get along just fine..if you think about it, we are fighting over nothing.
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It's ok, we always fall for this trap... me too, so I apologize also. What is important is that we LEARN better for next time.

Actually the REAL Transylvanians, whether Hungarian, Romanian, German or Gypsy ALL get along pretty well... have been for many centuries. Politics is the only thing that sparked any conflicts.... as ALWAYS!

I should know better, since I was born there :)

So this being said... let's not bite their bait over and over again!
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Bla bla bla... Romania has a better army than Hungary, that's all that mathers.
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