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Manhunt for former LA Police Officer

 
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Looking for more updates this morning, I came across this article which gives links to data dumps, dug up by a reporter.

If you are interested in reading any documentation related to his claims, here you go.

Legal analyst Robin Sax dug up 21 documents related to the instances of alleged police corruption that ex-LAPD officer Chris Dorner detailed in his online manifesto. Among the documents are Internal Affairs information, Court of Appeals documents and more.

Actual links here: [link to www.myfoxla.com]


DOCUMENTS: Deposition, Legal Papers Challenging LAPD


Dorner v LAPD Court Case

Petition for Writ of Mandamus (Robin says this is the document where Dorner asks the court to review LAPD's Board of Review's decision to terminate him):

Dorner v LAPD Apr2009

Dorner Board Selection Form

Dorner Application for Hearing LAPD

Dorner Power of Attorney

Dorner Board of Rights Time Waiver

Dorner Notice to Employee Representative

Dorner Substitution of Defense Counsel

Dorner Person Summary

Dorner LAPD Complaint Form

Dorner Interdepartmental Correspondence Jun2008

Dorner Interdepartmental Correspondence Oct2008

Dorner Addenda

Dorner Decision of the Board of Rights and Execution of the Order

Dorner Case Summary LA Sup Court

Dorner Board of Rights Appointment

Dorner Interdepartmental Correspondence Jul2008

Dorner Discovery Request Form

Appellate Court Decision:

Dorner v LAPD Appeal Oct2011

Other Documents:

Dorner v LAPD Attorney Change Oct2010

Dorner v LAPD Appeal Notice Aug2010

Dorner v City of Los Angeles Judgement
 Quoting: J&V


Are these the same documents that anon had posted?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33337354


DAyum...! seems like this guy became a cop just to do something like this...
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Is his facebook still available, and is his manifesto still on there?
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arguing about what a sniper is....


a snipe is an ambush hunter bird with a long beak that stands still and picks off it's

unsuspecting prey.


apart from the word sniper coming from this, the term snipe is used to describe a sneak

thief or person who preys on others by concealment .

doomsol
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...


It might be due to the thread-killer that insists on proving his government sponsored killer training to a bunch of random people on the internet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18996623

Seems to me he's making a few valid points albeit from a "ground-pounder's" perspective.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29948208


A few valid points, among pages of nit-picking other people's comments and instigating flame wars. Dropping military slang, acronyms, and stories of dick waving in Central American shitholes impresses nobody, take that shit to Arfcom.

He sure is easily perturbed for somebody with so much disciplined training and experience. No need to get panties in a bunch every time somebody says something that you disagree with online.

[link to xkcd.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18996623


ARFCOM is for college kids.. I am sure you fit in well there.

What you cal "nit picking" is nothing more than bringing peoples attention to where their fucked up versions of what "is" really is not.

Take our diva here from the boardroom of the mexican bordello.. she just blows out her ass that malvo was part of a father and son "team". that simply was and is not the case.



When it was pointed out to her she went periodic, bleeding out across the entire thread..

Not my problem. if you are willing to speak factually on a subject, then you won't be called out on your ignorance.

What this REALLY boils down to are the people in this thread that have been shown the error in there ways not being able to handle the plain fact that they are wrong..

There are many here that claim to want the "truth". But when their harebrained assumptions are torn asunder by logic and fact they get all asshurt and start calling names.

Well.. they will get the same in return.

The definition of Sniper stands regardless of the "sniping" from the backdoor of "Rosas Cantina".

ANYONE with a cursory knowledge fully realizes that and is shaking their head at the juvenile rants..

credentials matter kid.. one day you may have some, today does not seem to be your day.

So here is what I'll do.. I will take complaints from any of you butt-hurt bimbo's with sand in your vaginas separately from this thread.

Send your complaints to scp7483@gmail.com so they may be added to the que for review.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33337354


Dear Epic Failure,

Thanks for the non-existent link. Lots of rambling, nothing to back it up. I say there are many definitions, and I can back that assertion up with links. Would you like links to every dictionary that ever existed? I can give you some, if you are too slow to look them up yourself.

I will ignore all further ramblings, insults, name-calling and associated bullshit and assume you simply cannot provide a link showing that the word "sniper" has only the narrow definition you've provided. Ergo, you are full of shit and furthermore, please go fuck yourself.

Sincerely,
BossBitch
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02/10/2013 07:39 PM
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just adding some info:

the first shootout between Dorner and police, in Corona,
with the police car involved pictured here
[link to blogs.mydesert.com]

happened here:
[link to maps.google.com]


a closer image of that car-
[link to media.redding.com]

and from the front:
[link to www.trbimg.com]


Dorner was being followed, got off the interstate, stopped his truck and fired into the front of this police car, allowing himself to get away.

Then continuing a few miles on further down this road is where he got ino the second shootout with Riverside police, killing one of them at this intersection:
[link to maps.google.com]


So far the only targeted killing it is believed that he committed is that of Quan and Lawrence, the daughter of an LAPD officer and her fiance on top of a parking deck in Irvine, Ca. So he hasnt killed any actual LAPD yet.


-----------------------------------------------------------

Dorner's truck is parked in front of his Las Vegas house in this google streetview shot:

[link to maps.google.com]


and, his truck now:
[link to pbs.twimg.com]


Here is a listing for his LV house that I found:
[link to www.trulia.com]


Surveillance video shows man believed to be Dorner throwing items into trash bin in National City
Video, which was recorded Monday, obtained by CNN
[link to www.10news.com]


a good timeline thats being updated:
[link to projects.scpr.org]






from looking at the shell casings location in this pic:
[link to www.trbimg.com]

it can be deduced that Dorner (or whoever) was standing here, center of pic:
[link to maps.google.com]
when he fired at that police car. he was just on the other side of the 'L' in 'SIGNAL' on the roadway, and just near or inside the curved white line. He was probably firing using the front of his truck as cover/conceilment.

details like this are interesting to me. Maybe also to some of you as well.


There are at least 3 cameras overlooking that intersection where that first police shootout happened:

Camera 1 overlooking the first police shootout location >

[link to maps.google.com]
looking down to where the police car would be


Camera 2 >

[link to maps.google.com]
looking back towards where Dorner was shooting from



Camera 3>

[link to maps.google.com]
looking down at both the police car and truck from the side


So this shootout should have been well caught on cam. If you look up and down the street, there are more cameras both directions.

These videos need to be released soon.
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02/10/2013 07:42 PM
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back ontopic please folks, whats the update? heard they got a bounty on his head now?
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back ontopic please folks, whats the update? heard they got a bounty on his head now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22887953


million to get ramBRO dead of alive
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02/10/2013 07:52 PM
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...

Seems to me he's making a few valid points albeit from a "ground-pounder's" perspective.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29948208


A few valid points, among pages of nit-picking other people's comments and instigating flame wars. Dropping military slang, acronyms, and stories of dick waving in Central American shitholes impresses nobody, take that shit to Arfcom.

He sure is easily perturbed for somebody with so much disciplined training and experience. No need to get panties in a bunch every time somebody says something that you disagree with online.

[link to xkcd.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18996623


ARFCOM is for college kids.. I am sure you fit in well there.

What you cal "nit picking" is nothing more than bringing peoples attention to where their fucked up versions of what "is" really is not.

Take our diva here from the boardroom of the mexican bordello.. she just blows out her ass that malvo was part of a father and son "team". that simply was and is not the case.



When it was pointed out to her she went periodic, bleeding out across the entire thread..

Not my problem. if you are willing to speak factually on a subject, then you won't be called out on your ignorance.

What this REALLY boils down to are the people in this thread that have been shown the error in there ways not being able to handle the plain fact that they are wrong..

There are many here that claim to want the "truth". But when their harebrained assumptions are torn asunder by logic and fact they get all asshurt and start calling names.

Well.. they will get the same in return.

The definition of Sniper stands regardless of the "sniping" from the backdoor of "Rosas Cantina".

ANYONE with a cursory knowledge fully realizes that and is shaking their head at the juvenile rants..

credentials matter kid.. one day you may have some, today does not seem to be your day.

So here is what I'll do.. I will take complaints from any of you butt-hurt bimbo's with sand in your vaginas separately from this thread.

Send your complaints to scp7483@gmail.com so they may be added to the que for review.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33337354


Blah blah blah..I say there are many definitions, blah blah blah
Sincerely,
BossBitch
 Quoting: BossBitch


"I say there are many definitions"

You sure do think you are important doncha..

When you finish with Mr.Ed.. and the audience is done stuffing pesos in your asscrack

read this:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Notice there is only one definition.. and it is very thoroughly explained.

I really have no want or need to argue semantics with fat, loudmouthed, obnoxious Minnesota housewives who by their own admission have no fuckin knowledge of firearms, military doctrine or how either correlate to one another.

run your suck somewhere else wretch.

Also have someone clean up that pig sty which is your avatar. That would be embarrassing for any normal woman to have that seen, much less turned into an avatar.





You aren't worth any more time.
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back ontopic please folks, whats the update? heard they got a bounty on his head now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22887953


yep.. wife mentioned that over dinner.

Someone out there needs to take them a Fudgsicle and claim the mil.
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Is his facebook still available, and is his manifesto still on there?
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What difference does that make, whether the page is still available? You have no way of knowing whether Rambro created the page, or someone else created the page to set up for manifesto. And, we do not know who wrote the manifesto.

We already know that Anderson Cooper is a liar.
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run Rambro run!

explosion

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back ontopic please folks, whats the update? heard they got a bounty on his head now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22887953


million to get ramBRO dead of alive
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Who is reported to be putting up the million $$. Do we know?
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Here is a link to his "manifesto". This reads like a "good guy done wrong so he wants revenge story"

[link to hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com]
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Yeah..if you believe a homicidal maniac...man he spun this crap so well..he weaved truth with lies to make himself look like a freaking martyr..oh please..perpetual f@#$%& victim !
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And YOU do not know who wrote the "manifesto."
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02/10/2013 08:08 PM
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Alleged Dorner sighting a few miles from me in Northridge. LAPD moving in.

[link to tweetgrid.com]
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02/10/2013 08:14 PM

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Alleged Dorner sighting a few miles from me in Northridge. LAPD moving in.

[link to tweetgrid.com]
 Quoting: This Is Not Me


Go get your million....


cool2
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just adding some info:

the first shootout between Dorner and police, in Corona,
with the police car involved pictured here
[link to blogs.mydesert.com]

happened here:
[link to maps.google.com]


a closer image of that car-
[link to media.redding.com]

and from the front:
[link to www.trbimg.com]


Dorner was being followed, got off the interstate, stopped his truck and fired into the front of this police car, allowing himself to get away.

Then continuing a few miles on further down this road is where he got ino the second shootout with Riverside police, killing one of them at this intersection:
[link to maps.google.com]


So far the only targeted killing it is believed that he committed is that of Quan and Lawrence, the daughter of an LAPD officer and her fiance on top of a parking deck in Irvine, Ca. So he hasnt killed any actual LAPD yet.


-----------------------------------------------------------

Dorner's truck is parked in front of his Las Vegas house in this google streetview shot:

[link to maps.google.com]


and, his truck now:
[link to pbs.twimg.com]


Here is a listing for his LV house that I found:
[link to www.trulia.com]


Surveillance video shows man believed to be Dorner throwing items into trash bin in National City
Video, which was recorded Monday, obtained by CNN
[link to www.10news.com]


a good timeline thats being updated:
[link to projects.scpr.org]






from looking at the shell casings location in this pic:
[link to www.trbimg.com]

it can be deduced that Dorner (or whoever) was standing here, center of pic:
[link to maps.google.com]
when he fired at that police car. he was just on the other side of the 'L' in 'SIGNAL' on the roadway, and just near or inside the curved white line. He was probably firing using the front of his truck as cover/conceilment.

details like this are interesting to me. Maybe also to some of you as well.


There are at least 3 cameras overlooking that intersection where that first police shootout happened:

Camera 1 overlooking the first police shootout location >

[link to maps.google.com]
looking down to where the police car would be


Camera 2 >

[link to maps.google.com]
looking back towards where Dorner was shooting from



Camera 3>

[link to maps.google.com]
looking down at both the police car and truck from the side


So this shootout should have been well caught on cam. If you look up and down the street, there are more cameras both directions.

These videos need to be released soon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33968321


Every police car has a video camera. Surely, they would have run it on Dorner if he was shooting at police cars. Where's the footage?
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"We have to get fuel, they just had a guy in all black come down out of the mountain and as soon as he saw the deputy turned back around, suspect is priority right?"
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omg
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Yea, omg! Sounds like another 70 year old hispanic lady in black is about to be slaughtered by the LAPD.
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37m ABC7 Eyewitness News ‏@ABC7
#BREAKINGNEWS: LAPD says resources sent to Northridge area after report of possible sighting of fugitive Chris Dorner
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37m ABC7 Eyewitness News ‏@ABC7
#BREAKINGNEWS: LAPD says resources sent to Northridge area after report of possible sighting of fugitive Chris Dorner
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320


Do they realize how many big black men live in the L.A. area? Needle in a haystack.
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You are truly a failed abortion.

Copy & Paste doesn't make other definitions disappear.

Show me a link from an expert authority on the English Language that says there is only one definition of the word "sniper".

You seem to believe YOU are the expert authority. Since we all know you are an expert at nothing except being a douchebag, provide the link or SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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iamwithoimx
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Haaaa, he is so unfriendily penitentiarily butthurt
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Alleged Dorner sighting a few miles from me in Northridge. LAPD moving in.

[link to tweetgrid.com]
 Quoting: This Is Not Me


Do they have a scanner feed covering that area?
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Alleged Dorner sighting a few miles from me in Northridge. LAPD moving in.

[link to tweetgrid.com]
 Quoting: This Is Not Me


Do they have a scanner feed covering that area?
 Quoting: BossBitch


Dorner, or another two arthritic nursing home escapees?
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You are truly a failed abortion.

Copy & Paste doesn't make other definitions disappear.

Show me a link from an expert authority on the English Language that says there is only one definition of the word "sniper".

You seem to believe YOU are the expert authority. Since we all know you are an expert at nothing except being a douchebag, provide the link or SHUT THE FUCK UP.
 Quoting: BossBitch


iamwithoimx
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Haaaa, he is so unfriendily penitentiarily butthurt
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10358803


Oh Look everyone.. the white knight has arrived.


This guy is frozen on that mountain.
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Is his facebook still available, and is his manifesto still on there?
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What difference does that make, whether the page is still available? You have no way of knowing whether Rambro created the page, or someone else created the page to set up for manifesto. And, we do not know who wrote the manifesto.

We already know that Anderson Cooper is a liar.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34107313


LOL u cant be serious

I look at all evidence with an open mind.

Again, does anyone have the link to Dorner's facebook page? I cant find it.
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Is his facebook still available, and is his manifesto still on there?
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What difference does that make, whether the page is still available? You have no way of knowing whether Rambro created the page, or someone else created the page to set up for manifesto. And, we do not know who wrote the manifesto.

We already know that Anderson Cooper is a liar.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34107313


LOL u cant be serious

I look at all evidence with an open mind.

Again, does anyone have the link to Dorner's facebook page? I cant find it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33968321


They pulled it days ago. There is a screenshot of the front page floating around somewhere tho.
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Re: Manhunt for former LA Police Officer
just adding some info:

the first shootout between Dorner and police, in Corona,
with the police car involved pictured here
[link to blogs.mydesert.com]

happened here:
[link to maps.google.com]


a closer image of that car-
[link to media.redding.com]

and from the front:
[link to www.trbimg.com]


Dorner was being followed, got off the interstate, stopped his truck and fired into the front of this police car, allowing himself to get away.

Then continuing a few miles on further down this road is where he got ino the second shootout with Riverside police, killing one of them at this intersection:
[link to maps.google.com]


So far the only targeted killing it is believed that he committed is that of Quan and Lawrence, the daughter of an LAPD officer and her fiance on top of a parking deck in Irvine, Ca. So he hasnt killed any actual LAPD yet.


-----------------------------------------------------------

Dorner's truck is parked in front of his Las Vegas house in this google streetview shot:

[link to maps.google.com]


and, his truck now:
[link to pbs.twimg.com]


Here is a listing for his LV house that I found:
[link to www.trulia.com]


Surveillance video shows man believed to be Dorner throwing items into trash bin in National City
Video, which was recorded Monday, obtained by CNN
[link to www.10news.com]


a good timeline thats being updated:
[link to projects.scpr.org]






from looking at the shell casings location in this pic:
[link to www.trbimg.com]

it can be deduced that Dorner (or whoever) was standing here, center of pic:
[link to maps.google.com]
when he fired at that police car. he was just on the other side of the 'L' in 'SIGNAL' on the roadway, and just near or inside the curved white line. He was probably firing using the front of his truck as cover/conceilment.

details like this are interesting to me. Maybe also to some of you as well.


There are at least 3 cameras overlooking that intersection where that first police shootout happened:

Camera 1 overlooking the first police shootout location >

[link to maps.google.com]
looking down to where the police car would be


Camera 2 >

[link to maps.google.com]
looking back towards where Dorner was shooting from



Camera 3>

[link to maps.google.com]
looking down at both the police car and truck from the side


So this shootout should have been well caught on cam. If you look up and down the street, there are more cameras both directions.

These videos need to be released soon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33968321


Every police car has a video camera. Surely, they would have run it on Dorner if he was shooting at police cars. Where's the footage?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23657849



Why are we supposed to think that Dorner shot the police car? Because YOU said so?
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So they raised the reward to a million dollars for his capture. Cute. Trying to tempt the commoners with greed in order to serve their police masters.

Found on another board (adjusted a little for heavy swearing and context):
No [I wouldn't turn him in for cash]. Only because I know the "reward" wouldn't get paid. And it's sad for any dense person that think they would get paid and wind up being tricked.

Because here is what would happen:

Scenario 1:
>you aren't harboring him, but know where he is
>call the police for reward
>police execute Dorner so he doesn't get his story told
>police don't give a civvy like me credit for my call because they want the media to portray themselves as competent and not needing civilians help
>I don't get money

Scenario 2:
>I'm harboring him, but I decide to turn him in for cash
>they execute both me and Dorner as 'accomplices' during their raid, because they don't want his story told, and I'd be a witness to the execution/don't want to give a payout to a commoner like me
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So they raised the reward to a million dollars for his capture. Cute. Trying to tempt the commoners with greed in order to serve their police masters.

Found on another board (adjusted a little for heavy swearing and context):
No [I wouldn't turn him in for cash]. Only because I know the "reward" wouldn't get paid. And it's sad for any dense person that think they would get paid and wind up being tricked.

Because here is what would happen:

Scenario 1:
>you aren't harboring him, but know where he is
>call the police for reward
>police execute Dorner so he doesn't get his story told
>police don't give a civvy like me credit for my call because they want the media to portray themselves as competent and not needing civilians help
>I don't get money

Scenario 2:
>I'm harboring him, but I decide to turn him in for cash
>they execute both me and Dorner as 'accomplices' during their raid, because they don't want his story told, and I'd be a witness to the execution/don't want to give a payout to a commoner like me
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33527300


You are correct, you'll never see the money. I testified numerous times in court and was told I would be reimbursed for travel and expenses and never was, even after filling out the paperwork for the clerk of courts. Not once.

On an unrelated note - Nice legs Boss Bitch. ;~)
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Is his facebook still available, and is his manifesto still on there?
 Quoting: Dale Jr 33968321



What difference does that make, whether the page is still available? You have no way of knowing whether Rambro created the page, or someone else created the page to set up for manifesto. And, we do not know who wrote the manifesto.

We already know that Anderson Cooper is a liar.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34107313


LOL u cant be serious

I look at all evidence with an open mind.

Again, does anyone have the link to Dorner's facebook page? I cant find it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33968321


They pulled it days ago. There is a screenshot of the front page floating around somewhere tho.
 Quoting: BossBitch


Do you know if the manifesto was on the Facebook page where it could be pulled up and read?

and if so, which version was there?
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02/10/2013 09:13 PM
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Re: Manhunt for former LA Police Officer
Why are we supposed to think that Dorner shot the police car? Because YOU said so?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34107313


You missed the "Dorner (or whoever)" part, didnt you...

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