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Another bit of info: years ago, at the request of law enforcement agencies, the ammo manufacturers developed training ammo that has the same ballistics of their duty ammo. This way, agencies could purchase much cheaper ammo to train with and have the same ballistics and mechanical functionality of their duty ammo.

In general, agencies don't buy large quantities of premium duty ammo to train with.

Note: I'm not talking about terminal ballistics - I'm referring to external ballistics (pressure and velocity). The training ammo also has the same overall length and bullet weight of the duty ammo. The training projectile is a full metal jacket bullet, instead of a hollow-point.
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Thats why its scary to me. Its bad enough they fly their helicopters around Florida shooting blanks at people. They used tanks at Waco. Is the DHS buying these types of munitions as well as small arms ammunition?
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DHS is absolutely buying this stuff in large quantites, and they are giving a lot of it away to state police agencies and larger metropolitan PDs, as well, under aegis of Homeland Security grant programs.

5.56mm is the ammo used in M16 and M4 rifles and similar light battle carbines, and also current "light machine guns" such as the M-249 "SAW". DHS has procured over a billion rounds of 5.56mm ammo in just the past two years, with outstanding orders for over a billion more rounds between now and 2014. A typical civilian AR-15 rifle uses this same ammunition, which would explain the shortage of ammunition for these rifles on the shelves of retail suppliers!

7.62mm (a.k.a. "30 caliber", or "308") is a typical "general purpose machine gun" round, such as used by the venerable M-60 or newer M-240. DHS has been buying lots of this (about 220 million rounds in the last 24 months), though not nearly as much as the 5.56mm ammo. Now, there are plenty of civilian rifles which use the same ammo but are not "machine guns" - these would classify as either "heavy battle rifles" or "sniper rifles", and include guns such as Remington 700s, HK-91s, M-14s, and many others, whch DHS and other agencies have in various configurations and quantites.

9mm, 10mm, 40 caliber, and 45 caliber are all typical pistol ammo. Cops carry pistols chambered in these calibers every day. However, there are numerous sub-machine guns chambered for these rounds also, such as the HK/MP-5, MP-7, and UMP, as well as UZIs and similar personal weapons. DHS procured about 25 thousand MP-5s, and later MP-7s, in their first five years of operation (2003-2008), and continue to purchase several thousand per year. FBI, BATFE, and lots of other agencies also have many MP-5, MP-7, and UMPs, with total quantites of well over 80 thousand presently assigned to federal "field teams" across the board. DHS has procured over 1 billion rounds of pistol ammo in the last 4 years. The vast majority (just over 900 million rounds) of this ammo is jacketed hollow points (JHP), in other words "killing ammo"; as opposed to Full Metal Jacket (FMJ), which is typically "training ammo" because it is about half the cost. FWIW, JHP (or anything other than FMJ) is prohibited for use in war by the Hague Convention, so these JHP rounds are of no use to the Army.

40mm is a typical "light weapon" system capable of launching an explosive/fragmentary grenade out to 200 meters; the same launcher can fire tear-gas shells, incendiaries, illumination flares, or shells loaded with *other chemicals* just as effectively.

The 40mm launcher can be a separate weapon (including some vehicle mounted launchers with full-auto capabilities), or more commonly as an "auxiliary device" mounted under the barrel of an M4 Carbine or similar "personal defense weapon" as DHS calls them.

20mm and 30mm are "crew served weapons" a.k.a. "heavy machine guns" which are typically mounted on vehicles (and/or aircraft such as Apache helicopters). These can fire a variety of armor piercing, explosive, and *other* rounds commonly known by their acronyms -
AP - armor piercing (non-explosive)
API - armor piercing incendiary
APIT - armor piercing incendiary tracer
HE - high explosive
HEP - high explosive (armor) penetrating
DU - Depleted Uranium (very common 30mm round for penetrating heavy armor, used by Apache helicopters)
WP - White Phosphorous (this nasty stuff is banned by international treaty, but US arsenals still have lots of it)

Larger rounds such as 70/75mm and 81mm are mortar rounds, and 105mm shells are for the main guns of armored fighting vehicles such as the Abrahms M-1 Main Battle Tank, as well as for "light field artillery". Stuff over 70mm typically comes in HE and WP varieties, although there is some 105mm DU available for "tank-on-tank" battle scenarios.

You better bet they will use it on people when the riots get bad - DHS isn't taking this stuff to war in Egypt or Syria, their only purpose is to go to war here in the US...
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The govt. doesn't need it. They are simply buying up ALL ammunition to keep it out of the citizen's hands.
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You know, I was wondering the same thing today if this was part of a government plan, as I was looking at the bare shelves in Wal-Mart in the sporting goods dept.
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Interesting strategy. Do you have a few websites you could recommend for the GLPers?
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seek and ye shall find
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good answer!

On the subject of the dumdums, if that's what they are, where does dhs (etc) locate them? obviously they have to be accessible.
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There's been threads here the past few days with pictures of big cubes of ammo boxes, some on trucks, some in armory yards. Seems like they are spreading around here & there.
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We out number them 10,000 to one.
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not after they use chemical agents
on the public.

just like Hitler did,
they will use any means
available to win their war.

they know the numbers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33874886


If they do use that, the entire population of this country WILL go against them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33871522


Omg. They could drop a chemical weapon in the backyard, and most Americans will either ignore it...or assume its for their own good and go outside to inhale the fumes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32899686


at that point you might as well throw an outside party game over

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They sure like their S&W .40

I thought hollow points were banned under the St. Petersburg Declaration of 1868?

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I just bought 20 rounds of 7.62 54r. Total I have about 45 rounds now, plus I have about 100 rounds of 40 Cal for my s&w sigma 40 that’s it. If I’m frontline with my brothers and sisters in arms I’m getting it first I’m sure. I will use 45 rounds on the mosin and 99 from the sigma before they get me.
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Stockpiling before the Arms Trade Treaty is signed at the UN

The question that begs to be answered. Does the US answer to the UN?

YOU BET!

UN conference on ATT in New York from 18-28 March 2013

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That is okay who cares what they have. All I care about is that I have mine and I am ready for their crap.
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Buy #: 451659
Solicitation #: HSFLAR-13-Q-00014
Buy Description : Ammunition
Category : 13 -- Ammunition and Explosives
Sub Category : 1310 -- Ammunition, over 30mm up to 75mm
NAICS : 332993 -- Ammunition (except Small Arms) Manufacturing
FedBizOpps Solicitation : Yes
Recovery Act : No
Set-Aside Requirement : Small Business
Buyer : DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
End Date : 02/11/2013
End Time : 17:00 ET
Delivery Days : 30 Day(s) - Required (No. of calendar days after receipt of order (ARO) by which Buyer requires Seller to deliver)
Line Item(s)
Item No . Description Qty Unit
001 Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) Pistol Cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point(Jhp) p/n P40HSTS3G OR EQUAL. BRASS CASING 100,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVERY. 100 MX
002 Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) 9MM 115 GRAIN JACKETED HOLLOW POINT P/N 9BP-115 GRAIN JHP OR EQUAL BRASS CASING 100,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVERY. 100 MX
003 Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) PISTOL CARTIDGE 9MM BALL 124 GRAIN P/N AE9AP OR EQUAL BRASS CASING 40,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVEY 40 MX



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bump
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Buy #: 451659
Solicitation #: HSFLAR-13-Q-00014
Buy Description : Ammunition
Category : 13 -- Ammunition and Explosives
Sub Category : 1310 -- Ammunition, over 30mm up to 75mm
NAICS : 332993 -- Ammunition (except Small Arms) Manufacturing
FedBizOpps Solicitation : Yes
Recovery Act : No
Set-Aside Requirement : Small Business
Buyer : DHS Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
End Date : 02/11/2013
End Time : 17:00 ET
Delivery Days : 30 Day(s) - Required (No. of calendar days after receipt of order (ARO) by which Buyer requires Seller to deliver)
Line Item(s)
Item No . Description Qty Unit
001 Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) Pistol Cartridge .40 caliber 165 Grain, jacketed Hollow point(Jhp) p/n P40HSTS3G OR EQUAL. BRASS CASING 100,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVERY. 100 MX
002 Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) 9MM 115 GRAIN JACKETED HOLLOW POINT P/N 9BP-115 GRAIN JHP OR EQUAL BRASS CASING 100,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVERY. 100 MX
003 Commercial Leaded Training Ammo (CLTA) PISTOL CARTIDGE 9MM BALL 124 GRAIN P/N AE9AP OR EQUAL BRASS CASING 40,000 ROUNDS PRICE PER 1000 ROUNDS WILL INCLUDE DELIVEY 40 MX



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hf
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I think I've figured it out. They've come up with a way to put a dint in the national debt. They'll buy up all the ammo while continuing the attack on the constitution. After everyone is at the highest level of panic. They will set up a false front and sell it at highly inflated prices.
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Haha + 1 karma
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Just what the hell are they prepping for?
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Just what the hell are they prepping for?
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Thats why its scary to me. Its bad enough they fly their helicopters around Florida shooting blanks at people. They used tanks at Waco. Is the DHS buying these types of munitions as well as small arms ammunition?
 Quoting: Charlott


DHS is absolutely buying this stuff in large quantites, and they are giving a lot of it away to state police agencies and larger metropolitan PDs, as well, under aegis of Homeland Security grant programs.

5.56mm is the ammo used in M16 and M4 rifles and similar light battle carbines, and also current "light machine guns" such as the M-249 "SAW". DHS has procured over a billion rounds of 5.56mm ammo in just the past two years, with outstanding orders for over a billion more rounds between now and 2014. A typical civilian AR-15 rifle uses this same ammunition, which would explain the shortage of ammunition for these rifles on the shelves of retail suppliers!

7.62mm (a.k.a. "30 caliber", or "308") is a typical "general purpose machine gun" round, such as used by the venerable M-60 or newer M-240. DHS has been buying lots of this (about 220 million rounds in the last 24 months), though not nearly as much as the 5.56mm ammo. Now, there are plenty of civilian rifles which use the same ammo but are not "machine guns" - these would classify as either "heavy battle rifles" or "sniper rifles", and include guns such as Remington 700s, HK-91s, M-14s, and many others, whch DHS and other agencies have in various configurations and quantites.

9mm, 10mm, 40 caliber, and 45 caliber are all typical pistol ammo. Cops carry pistols chambered in these calibers every day. However, there are numerous sub-machine guns chambered for these rounds also, such as the HK/MP-5, MP-7, and UMP, as well as UZIs and similar personal weapons. DHS procured about 25 thousand MP-5s, and later MP-7s, in their first five years of operation (2003-2008), and continue to purchase several thousand per year. FBI, BATFE, and lots of other agencies also have many MP-5, MP-7, and UMPs, with total quantites of well over 80 thousand presently assigned to federal "field teams" across the board. DHS has procured over 1 billion rounds of pistol ammo in the last 4 years. The vast majority (just over 900 million rounds) of this ammo is jacketed hollow points (JHP), in other words "killing ammo"; as opposed to Full Metal Jacket (FMJ), which is typically "training ammo" because it is about half the cost. FWIW, JHP (or anything other than FMJ) is prohibited for use in war by the Hague Convention, so these JHP rounds are of no use to the Army.

40mm is a typical "light weapon" system capable of launching an explosive/fragmentary grenade out to 200 meters; the same launcher can fire tear-gas shells, incendiaries, illumination flares, or shells loaded with *other chemicals* just as effectively.

The 40mm launcher can be a separate weapon (including some vehicle mounted launchers with full-auto capabilities), or more commonly as an "auxiliary device" mounted under the barrel of an M4 Carbine or similar "personal defense weapon" as DHS calls them.

20mm and 30mm are "crew served weapons" a.k.a. "heavy machine guns" which are typically mounted on vehicles (and/or aircraft such as Apache helicopters). These can fire a variety of armor piercing, explosive, and *other* rounds commonly known by their acronyms -
AP - armor piercing (non-explosive)
API - armor piercing incendiary
APIT - armor piercing incendiary tracer
HE - high explosive
HEP - high explosive (armor) penetrating
DU - Depleted Uranium (very common 30mm round for penetrating heavy armor, used by Apache helicopters)
WP - White Phosphorous (this nasty stuff is banned by international treaty, but US arsenals still have lots of it)

Larger rounds such as 70/75mm and 81mm are mortar rounds, and 105mm shells are for the main guns of armored fighting vehicles such as the Abrahms M-1 Main Battle Tank, as well as for "light field artillery". Stuff over 70mm typically comes in HE and WP varieties, although there is some 105mm DU available for "tank-on-tank" battle scenarios.

You better bet they will use it on people when the riots get bad - DHS isn't taking this stuff to war in Egypt or Syria, their only purpose is to go to war here in the US...
 Quoting: LT Prepper


5.56 is a higher pressure rounds and unless stamped on barrel of AR type weapon, DO NOT SHOOT IT! It will blow the barrel to pieces. These are not hard to find, and are more militaristic. .223 is the hard one to find, but not so much in this part of Ohio.

Not even half of civilian AR type weapons are rated for 5.56, just .223
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DHS has already purcahsed 2 billion rounds of ammunition. When will DHS use the amminitions??
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Agents in AZ seized 5,000 rounds of ammo today www.globalincidentmap.com I was checking out border incidents and found this .
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Agents in AZ seized 5,000 rounds of ammo today www.globalincidentmap.com I was checking out border incidents and found this .
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It was headed to Mexico
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For all the dipshits who thought they were using hollow-points for training.

I worked for one of the ammo manufacturers that produced the ammo for the HP contracts and I was privy to all of the orders we had. The DHS HP orders were not normal. We made ammo for the Secret Service, FBI, ATF, and lots of other state and local law enforcement agencies. The DHS, nor any of those other agencies had ever ordered that much ammo in such a short time.

If you still think the HP DHS orders were normal, then go stick your head back up your ass.
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Thanks for coming forward with your info.

Do you know how long it will take to fill this order? Because I remember them saying the original bullet order would take til 2015 to complete. I'm trying to figure out their timeline!

These small clues indicate to me that we have a year or 2 left
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not after they use chemical agents
on the public.

just like Hitler did,
they will use any means
available to win their war.

they know the numbers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33874886


If they do use that, the entire population of this country WILL go against them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33871522


Omg. They could drop a chemical weapon in the backyard, and most Americans will either ignore it...or assume its for their own good and go outside to inhale the fumes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32899686


at that point you might as well throw an outside party game over
 Quoting: rod^stiffington



I know I'm not the only one that notices the asleep sheep running around.

Not to mention, they have been poisoning us for decades. I don't see many people noticing, caring or doing anything about it.
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taking them off the market for individuals...
manufacturers need to stand up and limit gubments access...
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Learn to make your own.