RED ALERT!! RED ALERT!! DHS Purchases 21.6 Million More Rounds of Ammunition!!!!!!!

Thats why its scary to me. Its bad enough they fly their helicopters around Florida shooting blanks at people. They used tanks at Waco. Is the DHS buying these types of munitions as well as small arms ammunition?

Don't they do this every year to have rounds for target practice, etc.? I recall this being a non-issue last year.

No... The ammo last year is designated for operational purposes, not training. This order is for training.

Lots of uninformed people with no experience in the defense, law enforcement, or ammunition industry spewed their clueless speculation last year in regards to the orders last year.

Another bit of info: years ago, at the request of law enforcement agencies, the ammo manufacturers developed training ammo that has the same ballistics of their duty ammo. This way, agencies could purchase much cheaper ammo to train with and have the same ballistics and mechanical functionality of their duty ammo.

In general, agencies don't buy large quantities of premium duty ammo to train with.

Note: I'm not talking about terminal ballistics - I'm referring to external ballistics (pressure and velocity). The training ammo also has the same overall length and bullet weight of the duty ammo. The training projectile is a full metal jacket bullet, instead of a hollow-point.

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DHS is absolutely buying this stuff in large quantites, and they are giving a lot of it away to state police agencies and larger metropolitan PDs, as well, under aegis of Homeland Security grant programs.

5.56mm is the ammo used in M16 and M4 rifles and similar light battle carbines, and also current "light machine guns" such as the M-249 "SAW". DHS has procured over a billion rounds of 5.56mm ammo in just the past two years, with outstanding orders for over a billion more rounds between now and 2014. A typical civilian AR-15 rifle uses this same ammunition, which would explain the shortage of ammunition for these rifles on the shelves of retail suppliers!

7.62mm (a.k.a. "30 caliber", or "308") is a typical "general purpose machine gun" round, such as used by the venerable M-60 or newer M-240. DHS has been buying lots of this (about 220 million rounds in the last 24 months), though not nearly as much as the 5.56mm ammo. Now, there are plenty of civilian rifles which use the same ammo but are not "machine guns" - these would classify as either "heavy battle rifles" or "sniper rifles", and include guns such as Remington 700s, HK-91s, M-14s, and many others, whch DHS and other agencies have in various configurations and quantites.

9mm, 10mm, 40 caliber, and 45 caliber are all typical pistol ammo. Cops carry pistols chambered in these calibers every day. However, there are numerous sub-machine guns chambered for these rounds also, such as the HK/MP-5, MP-7, and UMP, as well as UZIs and similar personal weapons. DHS procured about 25 thousand MP-5s, and later MP-7s, in their first five years of operation (2003-2008), and continue to purchase several thousand per year. FBI, BATFE, and lots of other agencies also have many MP-5, MP-7, and UMPs, with total quantites of well over 80 thousand presently assigned to federal "field teams" across the board. DHS has procured over 1 billion rounds of pistol ammo in the last 4 years. The vast majority (just over 900 million rounds) of this ammo is jacketed hollow points (JHP), in other words "killing ammo"; as opposed to Full Metal Jacket (FMJ), which is typically "training ammo" because it is about half the cost. FWIW, JHP (or anything other than FMJ) is prohibited for use in war by the Hague Convention, so these JHP rounds are of no use to the Army.

40mm is a typical "light weapon" system capable of launching an explosive/fragmentary grenade out to 200 meters; the same launcher can fire tear-gas shells, incendiaries, illumination flares, or shells loaded with *other chemicals* just as effectively.

The 40mm launcher can be a separate weapon (including some vehicle mounted launchers with full-auto capabilities), or more commonly as an "auxiliary device" mounted under the barrel of an M4 Carbine or similar "personal defense weapon" as DHS calls them.

20mm and 30mm are "crew served weapons" a.k.a. "heavy machine guns" which are typically mounted on vehicles (and/or aircraft such as Apache helicopters). These can fire a variety of armor piercing, explosive, and *other* rounds commonly known by their acronyms -
AP - armor piercing (non-explosive)
API - armor piercing incendiary
APIT - armor piercing incendiary tracer
HE - high explosive
HEP - high explosive (armor) penetrating
DU - Depleted Uranium (very common 30mm round for penetrating heavy armor, used by Apache helicopters)
WP - White Phosphorous (this nasty stuff is banned by international treaty, but US arsenals still have lots of it)

Larger rounds such as 70/75mm and 81mm are mortar rounds, and 105mm shells are for the main guns of armored fighting vehicles such as the Abrahms M-1 Main Battle Tank, as well as for "light field artillery". Stuff over 70mm typically comes in HE and WP varieties, although there is some 105mm DU available for "tank-on-tank" battle scenarios.

You better bet they will use it on people when the riots get bad - DHS isn't taking this stuff to war in Egypt or Syria, their only purpose is to go to war here in the US...

You know, I was wondering the same thing today if this was part of a government plan, as I was looking at the bare shelves in Wal-Mart in the sporting goods dept.

There's been threads here the past few days with pictures of big cubes of ammo boxes, some on trucks, some in armory yards. Seems like they are spreading around here & there.

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at that point you might as well throw an outside party game over

Last Edited by rod^stiffington on 02/07/2013 05:23 PM

They sure like their S&W .40

I thought hollow points were banned under the St. Petersburg Declaration of 1868?

That only applies to military.

DHS is a "civilian" Nazi army, so they're exempt.

I just bought 20 rounds of 7.62 54r. Total I have about 45 rounds now, plus I have about 100 rounds of 40 Cal for my s&w sigma 40 that’s it. If I’m frontline with my brothers and sisters in arms I’m getting it first I’m sure. I will use 45 rounds on the mosin and 99 from the sigma before they get me.

Stockpiling before the Arms Trade Treaty is signed at the UN

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That is okay who cares what they have. All I care about is that I have mine and I am ready for their crap.

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Just what the hell are they prepping for?

5.56 is a higher pressure rounds and unless stamped on barrel of AR type weapon, DO NOT SHOOT IT! It will blow the barrel to pieces. These are not hard to find, and are more militaristic. .223 is the hard one to find, but not so much in this part of Ohio.

Not even half of civilian AR type weapons are rated for 5.56, just .223

5.56 vs. .223

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DHS has already purcahsed 2 billion rounds of ammunition. When will DHS use the amminitions??

Agents in AZ seized 5,000 rounds of ammo today www.globalincidentmap.com I was checking out border incidents and found this .

It was headed to Mexico