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ISAIAH 17 and what comes before.

 
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too late
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There's no such thing
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Of course there is.

When you die without forgiveness, it is too late. "But Jesu asked His Father to forgive us in advance on the cross.....are you denying what Jesus asked for and recieved on our behalf?
Don't die without asking Jesus to forgive you of your sins.

And many people will die when the TRIBULATION begins...
And for many people it will be too late.

Don't be one of those people.

In Jesus Christ!
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"But Jesu asked His Father to forgive us in advance on the cross.....are you denying what Jesus asked for and recieved on our behalf?
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I always point this out, but they don't believe it. They've reduced salvation to a Pharisaical hoop for people to jump through.

Per Hebrews 1, Jesus is the heir of all [things]. In Matthew 11, He says "All [things] are delivered unto me of my Father".
In John 6, He says He will lose *none* of those He's been given.
Ultimately, every knee will bow and every tongue confess Him.

But for the hardcore zealots, none of this is good enough. They've appointed themselves warden over other folks' redemption. They've evicted the Holy Spirit from the entire equation, because they don't trust that God can actually save anyone without their browbeating and coercion.
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As the Lord has risen, may we remember that He is Alive and will call us soon to be with Him.

Be watchful that you are not deceived by anyone who claims to know God and His Son Jesus Christ, yet preach another gospel that is not.

Jesus Christ IS THE ONLY WAY to the Father.
He is the ONLY WAY to ETERNAL LIFE.
There IS an Eternal Punishment and Judgement for SIN and all that are not forgiven of that SIN.

HE IS COMING SOON!

WATCH AND BE READY!

For He will come QUICKLY!

In Jesus Christ!
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My spirit is tired
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(The spirit doesn't get tired, so you're probably operating in some other mode)
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THere are to be found in the Bible many different meanings of the word, 'spirit'.. it can even mean and is used in places as meaning 'mind', and even 'mind-set'..

so, perhaps, his mind is tired.. doesn't your mind get tired? Mine does..
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How foolish are those that say they believe in Christ and do not believe in the Judgement to come?

Do they ignore that throughout the entire Bible, God's Judgement is in almost EVERY BOOK on all that has SIN in them?

How about the most famous examples?

Did God not JUDGE the angels who rebelled and have become fallen?
Did God not JUDGE Adam and Eve for their SIN?
Did God not JUDGE Sodom and Gomorrah?
Did God not JUDGE the people of Noah's Day that ALL PERISHED UNDER THE FLOOD and only Noah and his family was spared?

Did God not JUDGE the Egypt when they would not listen to Him and would not LET HIS PEOPLE (THE ISRAELITES) GO from their bondage?

There is EVEN THE BOOK OF JUDGES where a JUDGE was appointed unto Israel against their enemies or even ITSELF when they disobeyed God.

Even until the Day Israel became a nation again in 1948, ISRAEL WAS JUDGED BY GOD AND WERE DISPERSED THROUGHOUT THE NATIONS.

God judges.
Anyone who tells you the LIE that God does not JUDGE is a liar and deceiver and is of the devil.

GOD JUDGES.
HE IS THE ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY.
HE WILL JUDGE ALL SIN.

And Jesus Christ, His Son, WHO IS GOD IN THE FLESH, was GIVEN ALL AUTHORITY when He paid for our sins and rose from the dead to sit on the right throne of God, The Father.

HE is coming SOON.
THIS TIME HE WILL JUDGE THE NATIONS OF THIS AGE.

Do not believe the liars and deceivers, for they do not know who the Lord is and what is said about WHO HE IS, CLEARLY in the Bible.

JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY.
THE ONLY WAY OUT OF JUDGEMENT AND THE WRATH OF GOD ON SIN, THAT IS IN YOU, is to ask Jesus Christ to forgive you of that SIN, because only HE was able to pay for it.

And His Grace is given to all who ask, IN HIS NAME.
BUT YOU MUST ASK.

In Jesus Christ!
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If there is no such thing as eternal punishment, then what will become of the fallen angels?

Do you think God will let Lucifer be imprioned for a little while and let him go out again to deceive and lie and murder?

Is this your putried idea of JUSTICE?

The fallen angels are judged and when they were judged, they were judged FOREVER.

Because they are ETERNAL BEINGS, they were JUDGED IN ETERNITY.

ETERNITY HAS NO END.
Therefore they are thrown into the Lake of Fire that burns forever, as this is the 2nd death, made for these angels who rebelled and are condemned.

If you say there is no such thing as eternal punishment, then what of these angels?

Foolish people.
For your sins are as great as theirs and at least YOU have HOPE in Jesus Christ.

The greatest CHRIME AND SIN is that you have REJECTED the HOPE that even the ANGELS WHO REBELLED seek, for there is no way for them.

But YOU WHO REJECT THIS PRECIOUS GIFT, WOE UNTO YOU.

In Jesus Christ!
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Because when He comes
It will be like the lightning before the thunder.
It will be in an instant.
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I'm going to suggest otherwise. The same Greek word they somehow translated as "lightning" in Matthew 24 is used to describe the shining of a candle in a passage in Luke. It just means "light" in general. The light we're familiar with that goes from east to west is the sun. Instead of occurring instantaneously, it's going to happen *gradually* like the sun arising over a new day - only those awake early will see it at first, but before long it will enlighten everything and everyone will see. Compare with Malachi 4.

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Mat 24:27 For as the lightning [astrape] cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

astrape -- Thayer Definition:
1) lightning
1a) of the gleam of a lamp
Part of Speech: noun feminine

Let us not find strife in words but rather discuss the words for our own consideratons.

Either posited animation is applicaible. If one wants to think of the Local sunrise and then what the movement of the Sun in a global propagating of sunrise, or sunshining.. or one wishing to see it as a flash of lighting starting at the horizon of one standing on 100E longitude.. and flashing a continuious long ligthning bolt around the planet back to 100E longitude, the concept is fullfilled.. Should one perhaps be thinking in terms (technically) one may be thinking even Light Speed at the atmosphere.. the sense is not a instanenous flash of light at the same 'attosecond' every where on the globe, but rather a some sense of a propagation times. Its not like anyone is going to be using a Stop Watch to see how fast that light travels from the East to the West on that Day.. so we might consider we need not be all that techincally specific.
Just like the concept of 'the twinkling of an eye'.. well, one might as, How fast is that? In 2 Thess 2, is cast in the English as a 'twinkle' and not a 'blink'.. but we already have a sense of how fast our own eyelid can blink... normally must faster than one can yank their head around to look back. Just a consideration. At times there is no need to get overly technically specific.

And also, I remind, the word Man .. Alef Dalet Mem.. ADM, aka, Adam. This one spoken, 'son of man', as "son of Adam"... but this son of Adam is the LAST ADAM, one that unlike the first Adam, this Last Adam was born of a woman. The First Adam never was. The father of the First Adam was God, the Father of the Last Adam is God. The First Adam never could be a Son of Adam.. the Last Adam could be a son of Adam (as in descendent).. but I speak a bit of a mystery here... the wise will learn its solution, in looking from Mary back to Eve; Eve who was formed out of a part of the first male, Adam.
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Joel 2:30 - 32

30 I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
31 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.32 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the Lord has said,
even among the survivors
whom the Lord calls.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31422025


Notice in the Hebrew of Joel 2:32.. the usual English, 'Lord' in the Hebrew in that place is found this spelling, Yod Hay Vaw Hay... YHVH sometimes spelled as Jehovah.. YHVH is also accoring to HIMSELF, to Moses known to those children of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob/Israel as YHVH...

This is a different coming of the LORD, than the coming of the Lord, Jesus Christ. For if one really studies both the Tanach and the New Testament, one will come to understand that the God and Father of Jesus the Christ is YHVH (Jehovah, The Almighty God)... It is YHVH, the Almighty God whom Jesus himself worships.

32 And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD. Some other English versions do not so clearly show that distinctions, LORD, Lord, and lord. But if one is interested one should look at the Hebrew of the Tanach(Old Testament) to see which word is actuallyused there.. because even Alef Daleth Nun gets translated as 'lord' sometimes 'Lord'.

Just somethings to consider.

ANd remember also that Mount Zion is not Mount Moriah (on which the Temple was built) nor is Mount Zion the city of Jerusalem.. Mount Zion was considered as where the City of David was .. and Zion itself the Fortress or Castle or Keep of David, within the City of David. Something else to consider when trying to understand much of both the Tanach and the New Testament is the was these terms are used in their contexts.
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The quake below will take place 3 1/2 years after the events associated with the 5t trump begin to unfold.

Zec:14:4:
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives,
which is before Jerusalem on the east,
and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west,
and there shall be a very great valley;
and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north,
and half of it toward the south.

 Quoting: MHz


Consider in fuller contest to discover who this 'his' is having the feet:

Zec 14:1-4 KJV
(1) Behold, the day of the LORD [YHVH] cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

(2) For I [who, "I"?] will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city [of Jerusalem] shall be taken, and the houses [of Jerusalem] rifled, and the women [of Jerusalem] ravished; and half of the city [of Jerusalem] shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people [of Jerusalem] shall not be cut off from the city [of Jerusalem].

(3) Then shall the LORD [YHVH] go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he [YHVH] fought in the day of battle.

(4) And his [YHVH's] feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Interesting.. in this understanding of the pronouns, etc.

Is Jesus the same as the LORD [YHVY]. Is not the LORD really not Jesus's Father? Is the Son the Father?

The Son worships his Father... and teaches all to worship his Father.

Selah -- consider these things.
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Father and Son are ONE and the SAME.

For the Son is the Word of the Father made Flesh.

For how can the Word be separate from it's source?

Are your words not yourself?
Are your words not an expression of who you are?

So the Son, is the expression of the Father in the Flesh, for they are of one mind and will and the same person.

For did Jesus not say He and the Father are ONE?
Then what is man to deny the Truth that the Creator has revealed?

Also is it not written that nothing was made, that was made, but through the WORD?

Thus, JESUS CHRIST, who is the Word made Flesh is also CREATOR of all things.

HE IS GOD, IN THE FLESH.

For did Jesus also not say, if you have seen HIM, you have seen the FATHER?

But as Jesus Christ is the Word that CAME FROM THE FATHER, He is the SON OF GOD and worships the FATHER whom is His origin, whom is HIMSELF.

Since Jesus Christ is the WORD (EXPRESSION OF THE FATHER) made flesh, He is the fleshly embodiment of the Father.

They are ONE.
For how can one's WORD be separate in entity as yourself who has expressed that WORD?

Therefore, the SON comes to do the WILL of the Father. And the expression of the Father has the same WILL as the Father for they are ONE and the SAME.

But does not the SON glorify the Father in all things, for is HE not the expression and will of the Father?

So in all things, the Son does the will of the Father and glorifies HIM, for from Him was He sent as the expression of the Father who is God Almighty.

Let the reader who has the Holy Spirit understand these things.

For the Father and Son are ONE as well as the Holy Spirit which reveals all things of the Father and the Son.

In Jesus Christ!
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I wonder about people like you.
You are like those that wander blindly thinking you have sight but always wallow in the mud, thinking it water.
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Well, no - I'm in Christ, not in mud.

The only ones that will be spared are those that ask Him for the cancellation of that debt note (ask for your sins to be forgiven) that will be spared.

For this is What He requires from YOU.
That you ASK FOR FORGIVENESS OF YOUR SINS, OF YOUR DEBTS and follow after Him, in new life, to be born again into His Kingdome.
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So He was just blowing smoke at the ones He forgave from upon the cross? His prayer "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" was somehow inadequate because they didn't *ask* for forgiveness?

Tangent question: you've been neck-deep in this thing your whole life, haven't you?
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I see nothing here but the contraversy between Luther and the then Roman Catholic Church's doctrines. Nothing more.

Except, that is, the old old contravesry about Paul and those that still had the Zeal of the Law of Moses, Zeal but not in Wisdom.
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I have not the time to read all tonight.. However after reading just half the first page I see the O.P and Anon 720033 (if your not one in the same?) amongst the wisest I have witnessed on here as well as out there.

Glory to God and his son Jesus Christ. May all others see this inspired message. I humbly pray we all receive God's mercy (Jesus). And though my eyes are barley beginning to open, I hope the O.P or Anon 720033 can or will offer guidance to those deemed worthy (including myself) to enter into the Kingdom. I know it will not be easy in this modern time and there are many snares. Christ is the way!

I'm so glad I found this thread, it revives hope in me (wish i would have seen this when originally posted). I will try and direct others here and finish reading this thread top priority. Thank you O.P and Anon 720033 whomever you are for your insight's! Keep up the good job and be blessed for doing God's works. I will now try to ferment and digest what i have read.


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Some serious questions:

The Christian religious 'authorities' and their followers categorically deny that John the Baptist was Elijah 'raised from the dead'.

So, according to the Prophecy of Malachi and the Prophecy of Jesus, Elijah is to return again; and before Jesus.

In other words, shouldn't the Christians be looking for the arrival of Elijah before the arrival of Jesus?

And yet I never hear in any of these "time lines" from Daniel, etc. anything about either the arrival of Elijah or the arrival of the Michael Prophesied by Daniel.

Why not?

And how does this Elijah return in the first place?

Michael
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This is the only place in which Elijah is even mentioned in Malichi

Mal 4:5 KJV
(5) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

When wherein it does it say there that Elijah was to come before te arrival of Jesus or "the Messiah"?

Read it again.

And instead of your assertion, what does it say? "before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD [YHVY]." Jesus the Christ is NOT YHVH, but instead the only begotten son of YHVH!

Your assertion fails, at least on that verse.

It then remains however, this: That upon the Resurrection of the Just, Elijah to be resurrected.

And yet, it must be admitted that even if Elijah had been resurrected before Jesus came in the flesh, it would most certainly be true that that Elihjah had returned before that great and dreadful day of the LORD [i.e., YHVH].

My point is that the text is sufficient and puts the return of Elijah in this phrasing, "before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD [YHVY]." Why? And we must ask Why?

Yes you point to a serious question there.

Yet the 'theologians' of Christianty (of their history).. some claim Jesus was speaking of the 'spirit of Elijah' and then hold that meaning of 'spirit' in that context in the Gospel has the basic meaning of a "mind-set".. i.e., of the same Mind as Elijah had.

So, if one finds that conveyed in the actual text of the Gospels, that issue would be further clarified.
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Jesus Himself testified that John the Baptist was the "spirit of Elijah" that was to come, which he did:

Matthew 11: 7-15

7 As John’s disciples were leaving, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John [the Baptist]: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed swayed by the wind? 8 If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear fine clothes are in kings’ palaces. 9 Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. 10 This is the one about whom it is written:

“‘I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way before you.’

11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it. 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15 Whoever has ears, let them hear

Mal 3:1 KJV
(1) Behold, I [Which "I"? YHVH??] will send my [YHVH's ??] messenger, and he [that messenger] shall prepare the way before me [YHVH??]: and the Lord [ADN, "adon"] , whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his [Adon's] temple, even [also] the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he [the messenger] shall come, saith the LORD [YHVH] of hosts.


It takes careful study to glean what is being said here... And I have only shown a part of it, I still have a few ??s to resolve here. The [ ]s are my derived understandings of the grammar of the pronouns.
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Some serious questions:

The Christian religious 'authorities' and their followers categorically deny that John the Baptist was Elijah 'raised from the dead'.

So, according to the Prophecy of Malachi and the Prophecy of Jesus, Elijah is to return again; and before Jesus.

In other words, shouldn't the Christians be looking for the arrival of Elijah before the arrival of Jesus?

And yet I never hear in any of these "time lines" from Daniel, etc. anything about either the arrival of Elijah or the arrival of the Michael Prophesied by Daniel.

Why not?

And how does this Elijah return in the first place?

Michael
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This is the only place in which Elijah is even mentioned in Malichi

Mal 4:5 KJV
(5) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

When wherein it does it say there that Elijah was to come before te arrival of Jesus or "the Messiah"?

Read it again.

And instead of your assertion, what does it say? "before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD [YHVY]." Jesus the Christ is NOT YHVH, but instead the only begotten son of YHVH!

Your assertion fails, at least on that verse.

It then remains however, this: That upon the Resurrection of the Just, Elijah to be resurrected.

And yet, it must be admitted that even if Elijah had been resurrected before Jesus came in the flesh, it would most certainly be true that that Elihjah had returned before that great and dreadful day of the LORD [i.e., YHVH].

My point is that the text is sufficient and puts the return of Elijah in this phrasing, "before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD [YHVY]." Why? And we must ask Why?

Yes you point to a serious question there.

Yet the 'theologians' of Christianty (of their history).. some claim Jesus was speaking of the 'spirit of Elijah' and then hold that meaning of 'spirit' in that context in the Gospel has the basic meaning of a "mind-set".. i.e., of the same Mind as Elijah had.

So, if one finds that conveyed in the actual text of the Gospels, that issue would be further clarified.
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You do understand, do you not, that the Prophecy of Malachi specifically and flagrantly contradicts the statement of Paul that people live only one life?

You do understand that, don't you?

Michael
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Jesus Himself testified that John the Baptist was the "spirit of Elijah" that was to come, which he did:

Matthew 11: 7-15

7 As John’s disciples were leaving, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John [the Baptist]: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed swayed by the wind? 8 If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear fine clothes are in kings’ palaces. 9 Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. 10 This is the one about whom it is written:

“‘I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way before you.’

11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it. 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15 Whoever has ears, let them hear

Mal 3:1 KJV
(1) Behold, I [Which "I"? YHVH??] will send my [YHVH's ??] messenger, and he [that messenger] shall prepare the way before me [YHVH??]: and the Lord [ADN, "adon"] , whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his [Adon's] temple, even [also] the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he [the messenger] shall come, saith the LORD [YHVH] of hosts.


It takes careful study to glean what is being said here... And I have only shown a part of it, I still have a few ??s to resolve here. The [ ]s are my derived understandings of the grammar of the pronouns.
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Clearly, you do not understand the significance of the question Jesus was asked by his disciples.

If John the Baptist was nothing more than "the spirit of Elijah", then Jesus was nothing more than "the spirit of the messiah".

For Jesus to be literally the 'messiah', John the Baptist had to literally be Elijah 'raised from the dead'.

Michael
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For Jesus to be literally the 'messiah', John the Baptist had to literally be Elijah 'raised from the dead'.

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Nah, not buying it. Jesus wasn't literally a Lamb, was He? Most entities in scripture are defined by how they function. JtB did not have to literally be Elijah - just played the same role.
Judas echoed the role of Absalom/son of perdition. It's all about recurring patterns.
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Jesus Christ is Risen on this Day 2013 years ago.

He is ALIVE and will come for us soon.

He is patient and merciful, not willing that any should be judged but that everyone should come to repentence in Him and eternal life thereafter.

He is calling to you TODAY.
Ask Him to forgive you of your sins and commit in your hear to follow Him as Lord and Saviour of your life.

May you be blessed today and may today be the beginning of ETERNITY IN HIM for all of you who have believed.

In Jesus Christ!


Happy Easter!
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Jesus Christ is Risen on this Day 2013 years ago.
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(Prolly need to recalculate this. . .)
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I want to encourage all of you who are tired and who have been disappointed that the Lord is coming soon.

Remember that the Lord waits so that as many people as possible can be saved.

Remember that while He tarries, there are still people out there in the world coming to Him in Faith and being saved.

Some of those people could be some of you on this board.
I pray that it is.

I also pray that soon, the Lord will reveal Himself as I feel that many in the world are slipping away from salvation because their Hope is lost.

Many are coming to a point now where Faith is not enough for them and they need to physically see, just like Thomas, who needed to see the risen Lord before He finally trusted and believed.

It is unfortunate that many many people will come to Faith this way, in the TRIBULATION that is soon coming upon the world.

And many will die for that.
But blessed still are these who come to Faith, if even this way that they might be spared the 2nd death and judgement that comes on all sin.

On a quiet night like this or the day, the Lord will come.
At an unsuspecting time, on a normal day and all reality as people have known it til then will rip at the seams and come apart.

For then they will know the Lord lives.
For then they will reject at the cost of their eternal soul.
For then the true nature of what is in the heart shall be revealed to all.

In Jesus Christ.
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Did Jesus not say?

Matthew 24: 4-8

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

So let the unbeliever who still has sin and those that pride themselves of proving their so called salvation worry about all these things that are taking place.

YOU, BELIEVER!
Keep your HEART and EYES fixated on Jesus Christ.
Remember that you are rebord in His Spirit and you are spared the JUDGEMENT that is coming on all SIN.

Be diligent in your Faith and share as much as often as you can of your testimony of Faith in Jesus Christ.

For this is the work we are tasked to do and continue doing until HE comes to take us home to be with Him forever.

May this be an encouragement and blessing to all of you who yet yearn to see and be with the Lord, GOD ALMIGHTY!

In Jesus Christ!
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Without warning,
Our Lord will come.

Like the flash of lightning,
Before the thunder strikes.

And the echo of the event
Will the people realize and see.

But of the voice?
IT IS GONE.

In Jesus Christ!
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Do not be anxious.
Do not grow weary,
For all this was written
And were foretold to you,
That you might understand
And see.

For when you see the events unfold,
That were told to you and revealed,
Will your Faith not be confirmed?
Will you not delight in the Word of the Lord?
Who gives revelations?
Who fulfills prophecy?

For as you see these things occur
Do not be like these who do not believe
For their heart will grow ever more with despair.
For they have not known the blessed Hope
Of the Lord.

Is it not written?

Luke 21:28
"When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."


As we draw closer and nearer to eternity with our Lord, Jesus Christ, look back on those you leave behind and reach out to them, that you might grasp their hands and bring them with you.

God bless you in your endeavors to bear much fruit for the Kingdome that will soon come.

In Jesus Christ!
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share as much as often as you can of your testimony of Faith in Jesus Christ.
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lol
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Jesus Himself testified that John the Baptist was the "spirit of Elijah" that was to come, which he did:

Matthew 11: 7-15

7 As John’s disciples were leaving, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John [the Baptist]: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed swayed by the wind? 8 If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear fine clothes are in kings’ palaces. 9 Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. 10 This is the one about whom it is written:

“‘I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way before you.’

11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it. 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15 Whoever has ears, let them hear
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You don't even see what you are doing.

WHERE did JESUS say that John the Baptist was the "spirit of Elijah"?

He DID NOT SAY THAT.

That is what YOU say in order to PERVERT the words of Jesus that "John IS the Elijah who was to come."

You simply do not have the EARS to hear the Truth of what Jesus is saying.

Michael
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For Jesus to be literally the 'messiah', John the Baptist had to literally be Elijah 'raised from the dead'.

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Nah, not buying it. Jesus wasn't literally a Lamb, was He? Most entities in scripture are defined by how they function. JtB did not have to literally be Elijah - just played the same role.
Judas echoed the role of Absalom/son of perdition. It's all about recurring patterns.
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Then you don't understand the question of the followers of Jesus.

They did not CARE about metaphors.

They wanted to know whether Jesus was literally the 'messiah'.

And, for that to be the Truth, the Prophecy of Malachi had to be fulfilled literally.

In any case, even if your argument was the Truth--which it is NOT--Christians should be awaiting the arrival of Elijah BEFORE Jesus.

But you prolly can't see that either.

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There is, of course, another question that is being ignored here.

That is, who is the Michael whose arrival is Prophesied by Daniel?

If John the Baptist was not Elijah 'raised from the dead', as the IDIOT Christian religious 'authorities' insist upon; is the Michael Prophesied by Daniel Elijah 'raised from the dead'?

If not, who is he?

Because it appears that the "time of trouble" does NOT happen until after that Michael arrives.

Michael
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Jesus Himself testified that John the Baptist was the "spirit of Elijah" that was to come, which he did:

Matthew 11: 7-15

7 As John’s disciples were leaving, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John [the Baptist]: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed swayed by the wind? 8 If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear fine clothes are in kings’ palaces. 9 Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. 10 This is the one about whom it is written:

“‘I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way before you.’

11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it. 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15 Whoever has ears, let them hear
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


You don't even see what you are doing.

WHERE did JESUS say that John the Baptist was the "spirit of Elijah"?

He DID NOT SAY THAT.

That is what YOU say in order to PERVERT the words of Jesus that "John IS the Elijah who was to come."

You simply do not have the EARS to hear the Truth of what Jesus is saying.

Michael
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Luke.3
[16] John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:


They are preparing the way for the 'manchild' aka 'the son of man'.

Remember, we have yet to see the 'Millenial Kingdom', 1000 years of peace on earth, the time where 'a child shall lead them'.

Jesus HIMSELF comes AFTER the 100 years, after 7000 years.

He sends HIS VOICE, as in from the mouth of a PROPHET, as 'Elijah', who John is referring to.

THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL

YOU CAN PRETEND YOU DON'T KNOW HIM...BUT YOU ARE NOT FOOLING ANYONE.
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Jesus Himself testified that John the Baptist was the "spirit of Elijah" that was to come, which he did:

Matthew 11: 7-15

7 As John’s disciples were leaving, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John [the Baptist]: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed swayed by the wind? 8 If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear fine clothes are in kings’ palaces. 9 Then what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. 10 This is the one about whom it is written:

“‘I will send my messenger ahead of you,
who will prepare your way before you.’

11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it. 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15 Whoever has ears, let them hear
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27972246


You don't even see what you are doing.

WHERE did JESUS say that John the Baptist was the "spirit of Elijah"?

He DID NOT SAY THAT.

That is what YOU say in order to PERVERT the words of Jesus that "John IS the Elijah who was to come."

You simply do not have the EARS to hear the Truth of what Jesus is saying.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529


Luke.3
[16] John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:


They are preparing the way for the 'manchild' aka 'the son of man'.

Remember, we have yet to see the 'Millenial Kingdom', 1000 years of peace on earth, the time where 'a child shall lead them'.

Jesus HIMSELF comes AFTER the 100 years, after 7000 years.

He sends HIS VOICE, as in from the mouth of a PROPHET, as 'Elijah', who John is referring to.

THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL

YOU CAN PRETEND YOU DON'T KNOW HIM...BUT YOU ARE NOT FOOLING ANYONE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37123239


The Prophecy of Chapter 12, verse 1 of the Book of Daniel says NOTHING about any "archangel".

That is an interpretation.

The Hebrew verb root used in that verse is the SAME Hebrew verb root used in Chapter 26, verse 19 of the Book of Isaiah, which is a figurative description of the revelation of the memories of previous lives, meaning that this Michael is someone 'raised from the dead' who has received the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

As Daniel wrote: "...these words will remain secret and sealed until the time of the End."

Michael

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