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SHABBAT SHALOM! THE LUNAR SHABBAT DEBUNKED! IT IS NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH CREATION! BROKEN DOWN FOR YOU IN 7 PARTS

 
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PART #5 HERE IS FROM THE BOOK OF JUBILEES THE COMMANDS TO MOSES THAT THE MOON IS NOT TO BE FOLLOWED.THIS IS MORE CONFIRMATION THAT THE LUNAR SHABBAT IS DEMONIC


And command thou the children of Israel that they observe the years according to this reckoning- three hundred and sixty-four days, and (these) will constitute a complete year, and they will not disturb its time from its days and from its feasts; for everything will fall out in them according to their testimony, and they will not leave out any day nor disturb any feasts.


But if they do neglect and do not observe them according to His commandment, then they will disturb all their seasons and the years will be dislodged from this (order), [and they will disturb the seasons and the years will be dislodged] and they will neglect their ordinances.

And all the children of Israel will forget and will not find the path of the years, and will forget the new moons, and seasons, and sabbaths and they will go wrong as to all the order of the years.

For I know and from henceforth will I declare it unto thee, and it is not of my own devising; for the book (lies) written before me, and on the heavenly tablets the division of days is ordained, lest they forget the feasts of the covenant and walk according to the feasts of the Gentiles after their error and after their ignorance.



**TAKE NOTE!**
For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon -how (it) disturbs the seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.


For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the order), and make an abominable (day) the day of testimony, and an unclean day a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the holy with the unclean, and the unclean day with the holy; for they will go wrong as to the months and sabbaths and feasts and jubilees.


For this reason I command and testify to thee that thou mayst testify to them; for after thy death thy children will disturb (them), so that they will not make the year three hundred and sixty-four days only, and for this reason they will go wrong as to the new moons and seasons and sabbaths and festivals, and they will eat all kinds of blood with all kinds of flesh.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Extra-biblical books (books NOT found in the bible) such as the book of Enoch and the book of Jubilees are suspect because they CONTRADICT the Torah/Thurah in key areas. Why should they be given more authority than the Thurah (the first five books of the bible)?

The first of the year begins with the month of ABIB:

Exd 23:15 Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month ABIB; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:) ...
See also Exd 13:3-4

Can you confirm your theory regarding the equinox/year-end from the accepted Scriptures in the Thurah?
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Extra-biblical books (books NOT found in the bible) such as the book of Enoch and the book of Jubilees are suspect because they CONTRADICT the Torah/Thurah in key areas. Why should they be given more authority than the Thurah (the first five books of the bible)?

The first of the year begins with the month of ABIB:

Exd 23:15 Thou shalt keep the feast of unleavened bread: (thou shalt eat unleavened bread seven days, as I commanded thee, in the time appointed of the month ABIB; for in it thou camest out from Egypt: and none shall appear before me empty:) ...
See also Exd 13:3-4

Can you confirm your theory regarding the equinox/year-end from the accepted Scriptures in the Thurah?

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There are two months in the year considered the new year in the month of tishri is the religious new year and in the month of abib/nissan is the new year of creation

There are only twice in the year when there is equal day and equal night and that is like you see in enoch and also science proved this. This was for the purpose .

There are 4 months in the year with 31 days for a reason and that was for the seasons to change

The time has been altered because of the babylonians and the egyptians and the greeks and romans.


The books out side the cannon was not cast out by God but by wicked men in order to fool us into their timelien and philosiphies


The council of nicea pledged to kick out every affiliation with the hebrew ways and planned on not following the time line of enoch,I can give you proof upon proof..The dieciples refferred to enoch in hebrews in jude in 2nd peter

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Greetings brothers and sisters as promised last week the shabbat study.

Why should you have to look a the moon every month to determine which day is the shabbat which sometimes fall an week days and are very inconsistent.That is wrong and here if you follow the precepts it will leave you no doubt that our God "IS AN AWESOME GOD" and not one of disorder! So from scriptures and from scientific data I present this information.I thank God he is revealing the lies of babylonian religion of Rome and using even the non believing scientists to add substance to his creation.


The scientists only just discovered this in 1996 when we had this information in our hands.Yes it is proven scientifically which most of you love to hear so I give you a snipet and the link.
900 MILLION YEARS IS NOT WHAT I UPHOLD BUT THE SEGMNNTS OF TIME MEASURED IS VALID FROM CREATION 12,000 YEARS AGO


What this article means really is 18parts over time man recalibrated time bringing us into a 24 hr cycle which gave us 60mins to a part/hour


Long ago from creation it was an 18 part day>> 1 part or hr equal to 60 plus minutes


:iuoio:


Article which is followed by scriptural proof in 2nd reply field

[link to www.angelfire.com]

A Day Was 18 Hours Long Millions of Years Ago, Study Finds

The length of a day 900 million years ago was only about 18 hours, according to a study in the July 5, 1996, edition of the journal Science. The study, authored by planetary scientists and geologists from the University of Arizona in Tucson, the Indiana Geological Survey in Bloomington, the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, and Colorado State University in Fort Collins, inferred from the geologic record that the moon has receded from the earth at an approximately constant rate over millions of years. The study results were based on records of ancient tidal patterns left in sedimentary rock in the United States and Australia.

:rtty:

Astronomers have known for many years that the moon and earth are moving apart. The United States Apollo 11 mission to the moon in 1969 provided the means to collect direct evidence of this recession by placing a laser-beam reflector on the moon. By sending a laser beam from earth to the reflector on the moon, scientists could measure precisely how long it took for the laser beam to travel and thereby measure the precise distance between the earth and the moon, knowing that the laser beam traveled at the rate of 300,000 km/sec (186,000 mi/sec), the speed of light.


PART 2 BELOW EXPLAINING THE DAYS AND THE YEARS AND EQUAL DAYS AND EQUAL NIGHTS
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there was never a such thing a sunday in the bible just the 1st-7th day these days were given names in rome based on false gods. ALSO U ASK WHY WOULD YOU HAVE TO LOOK TO THE NEW MOON TO DETERMINE THE SABBATH? WELL WHY IS IT IN THE BIBLE ON VARIOUS OCCASIONS? UR WHOLE POST IS WORLDLY AND NOT SCRIPTURAL SO LETS GO INTO IT BRO

The Hebrews went by a Lunar Calendar,,when and if you get a Zondervan Bible Dictionary,,look up the words "TIME" AND "CALENDAR" IT WILL TELL YOU THAT US ISRAELITES WENT BY A LUNAR CALENDAR WHICH HAD 354 DAYS,,IT ALSO WILL TELL YOU THAT THE HEBREW MONTH STARTED WHEN THE NEW MOON CAME IN,,,MONTH COMES FROM MOON,,,SO WHEN THE NEW MOON CAME IN,,,THAT WAS THE START OF THE NEW MONTH,,DAY 1 OF THE MONTH,,,SEVENTH DAY FALLS BACK TO THAT DAY,,SO IF THE NEW MOON CAME IN ON A MONDAY SUNDOWN,,MONDAY SUNDOWN UNTIL TUESDAY SUNDOWN IS THE SABBATH FOR THAT MONTH,,,

HERE IS THE CLINCHER,,,GET "THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE HOLY LAND",,,LOOK UP THE WORDS "TIME AND "CALENDAR",,SAME THING,,YOU'LL FIND THAT THE HEBREW MONTH BEGAN WITH THE NEW MOON ALSO WHEN YOU LOOK UP CALENDAR,,THIS IS SOME OF WHAT YOU'LL FIND

CALENDAR,,THE GREGORIAN CALENDAR USED IN OUR OWN ERA COMES FROM THE ROMAN CALENDAR MADE BY JULIUS CAESAR WHICH THAT CALENDAR IS BASED OFF THE SUN(SOLAR),,THAT CAME FROM THE EGYPTIANS,,,ALL OTHER NATIONS,,AND MORE IMPORTANTLY,,THE ISRAELITES WAS USING LUNAR,,WHICH IS BASED ON THE NEW MOON AND ITS ORBIT FOR THE MONTH,,,LUNAR DAYS ARE 29 ½ DAYS TO 30 DAYS

BOTTOM LINE THE CALENDAR WE USE TODAY,,ISN'T FROM OUR PAST CULTURE,,MAINLY NOT FROM THE FATHER YHWH


THE DAYS OF THE WEEK ALL COME FROM PAGAN ROMAN BULL crap,,

SUNDAY,,IS FOR THE WORSHIP ON THE SUNDAY

MONDAY IS FOR THE MOON
TUESDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "MARTIS DIES" WHICH MEANS DAY OF MARS

WEDNESDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "DIES MERCURRII" DAY OF THE PLANET MERCURY,,

THURSDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "LOVIS DIES" OR "JOIVS DIES" WHICH MEANS JUPITER'S DAY

FRIDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "DIES VENERIS" WHICH IS THE WORSHIP OF VENUS,,,THE WORSHIP OF WOMEN,,,

SATURDAY,,SATURN,,AND THAT ROMAN BULL SHIT IDOL CALLED CRONUS

SO THE DAYS OF THE WEEK ARE ALL MAN MADE,,EXCUSE ME,,DEVIL MADE PAGAN DAYS WITH SATANIC MEANINGS,,,OUR DAYS WAS SIMPLE,,DAY 1,,DAY 2 DAY 3 DAY 4 DAY 5 DAY 6 DAY 7,WHICH IS THE LORD'S SABBATH!!,,,ETC UNTIL 29 OR 30 DAYS,,THEN THE NEW MOON WHICH IS THE START OF THE NEW MONTH,,,I HAVE SAID ENOUGH THROUGH THE SPIRIT,,SO I WILL LET THE WORD SPEAK!!!!

1 Samuel 20 :5 And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the New Moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even.

:18 Then Jonathan said to David, To morrow is the New Moon: and thou shalt be missed, because thy seat will be empty.

NOW KEY IN RIGHT HERE ON THIS VERSE

:27 And it came to pass on the morrow, which was the second day of the month, that David's place was empty: and Saul said unto Jonathan his son, Wherefore cometh not the son of Jesse to meat, neither yesterday, nor to day?


(A LIGHT SHOULD GO OFF IN YOUR BRAIN NOW,,,,THE MORROW WHICH WAS THE SECOND DAY OF THE MONTH,,WHAT WAS THE FIRST?,,THE NEW MOON,,WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN,,THAT'S THE START OF THE NEW DAY,,LIKE WHEN THE DAY BREAKS YOU SEE THE SUN,,AND IT GETS TO ITS HIGH POINT,,SO DOES THE MOON)

NOW KEY IN ON THIS VERSE

:34 So Jonathan arose from the table in fierce anger, and did eat no meat the second day of the month: for he was grieved for David, because his father had done him shame.

IN BOTH VERSES IT LETS YOU KNOW THAT THE SECOND DAY OF THE MONTH WAS AFTER THE NEW MOON,,WHICH WAS THE FIRST DAY OF THE MONTH,,,AND IT TOLD YOU AGAIN IN THE 34TH VERSE THE SECOND DAY OF THE MONTH,,SHOWING YOU WHAT? NEW MOON IS DAY 1 OF THE MONTH

EXAMPLE,,THE NEW MOON FOR THIS MONTH OF DECEMBER IS THE 27TH,,THAT'S A SO-CALLED SATURDAY ON THE CALENDAR,,THE MOON REACHES HIGHEST POINT AT MIDNIGHT,that's why they got it as Saturday CAUSE this SATAN starts his day at midnight,,when the FATHER SAID, THE NEW DAY STARTS AT SUNDOWN!!!,SO THE NEW MOON COMES IN FRIDAY SUNDOWN TO SATURDAY SUNDOWN,,THAT'S THE SABBATH UNTIL JANUARY 26,,JUST IN CASE YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT SUNDOWN IS,,,,

Mark 1 :32 And at Even, When The Sun Did Set, they brought unto him(Yhwsh) all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils.

Genesis 1 :5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the Evening and the morning were the first day.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.


NOW IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE MOON YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THE DAYS,,CAUSE IT WAS SET TO TELL THE DAYS,,,MORE IMPORTANTLY HIGH HOLY DAYS

Ecclesiasticus 43:6 He made the Moon also to serve in her Season for a declaration of Times, and a sign of the world.

7: From the Moon is the Sign of Feasts, a Light that decreaseth in her perfection.


8: The Month is called after her Name, increasing wonderfully in her changing, being an instrument of the armies above, shining in the firmament of heaven;

Psalms 104 :19 He appointed the Moon for Seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

Psalms 81 :3 Blow up the trumpet in the New Moon, in the Time Appointed, on our Solemn Feast Day.

Psalms 136 :9 The Moon and Stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Numbers 28 :11 And in the beginnings of your months ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, seven lambs of the first year without spot;

(WHICH IS THE NEW MOON)

Numbers 10 :10 Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the Beginnings of your Months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the LORD your God.

1 Chronicles 23 :31 And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the LORD in the Sabbaths, in the New Moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the LORD:
23:32 And that they should keep the charge of the tabernacle of the congregation, and the charge of the holy place, and the charge of the sons of Aaron their brethren, in the service of the house of the LORD.

2 Chronicles 31 :1 Now when all this was finished, all Israel that were present went out to the cities of Judah, and brake the images in pieces, and cut down the groves, and threw down the high places and the altars out of all Judah and Benjamin, in Ephraim also and Manasseh, until they had utterly destroyed them all. Then all the children of Israel returned, every man to his possession, into their own cities.31:2 And Hezekiah appointed the courses of the priests and the Levites after their courses, every man according to his service, the priests and Levites for burnt offerings and for peace offerings, to minister, and to give thanks, and to praise in the gates of the tents of the LORD.
31:3 He appointed also the king's portion of his substance for the burnt offerings, to wit, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the Sabbaths, and for the New Moons, and for the set feasts, as it is Written in the Law of the LORD.

2 Chronicles 2 :1 And Solomon determined to build an house for the name of the LORD, and an house for his kingdom.2:2 And Solomon told out threescore and ten thousand men to bear burdens, and fourscore thousand to hew in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred to oversee them.
2:3 And Solomon sent to Huram the king of Tyre, saying, As thou didst deal with David my father, and didst send him cedars to build him an house to dwell therein, even so deal with me.
2:4 Behold, I build an house to the name of the LORD my God, to dedicate it to him, and to burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shewbread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths, and on the New Moons, and on the solemn feasts of the LORD our God. This is an ordinance for ever to Israel.

Isaiah 66 :23 And it shall come to pass, that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

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Greetings brothers and sisters as promised last week the shabbat study.

Why should you have to look a the moon every month to determine which day is the shabbat which sometimes fall an week days and are very inconsistent.That is wrong and here if you follow the precepts it will leave you no doubt that our God "IS AN AWESOME GOD" and not one of disorder! So from scriptures and from scientific data I present this information.I thank God he is revealing the lies of babylonian religion of Rome and using even the non believing scientists to add substance to his creation.


The scientists only just discovered this in 1996 when we had this information in our hands.Yes it is proven scientifically which most of you love to hear so I give you a snipet and the link.
900 MILLION YEARS IS NOT WHAT I UPHOLD BUT THE SEGMNNTS OF TIME MEASURED IS VALID FROM CREATION 12,000 YEARS AGO


What this article means really is 18parts over time man recalibrated time bringing us into a 24 hr cycle which gave us 60mins to a part/hour


Long ago from creation it was an 18 part day>> 1 part or hr equal to 60 plus minutes


iuoio


Article which is followed by scriptural proof in 2nd reply field

[link to www.angelfire.com]

A Day Was 18 Hours Long Millions of Years Ago, Study Finds

The length of a day 900 million years ago was only about 18 hours, according to a study in the July 5, 1996, edition of the journal Science. The study, authored by planetary scientists and geologists from the University of Arizona in Tucson, the Indiana Geological Survey in Bloomington, the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, and Colorado State University in Fort Collins, inferred from the geologic record that the moon has receded from the earth at an approximately constant rate over millions of years. The study results were based on records of ancient tidal patterns left in sedimentary rock in the United States and Australia.

rtty

Astronomers have known for many years that the moon and earth are moving apart. The United States Apollo 11 mission to the moon in 1969 provided the means to collect direct evidence of this recession by placing a laser-beam reflector on the moon. By sending a laser beam from earth to the reflector on the moon, scientists could measure precisely how long it took for the laser beam to travel and thereby measure the precise distance between the earth and the moon, knowing that the laser beam traveled at the rate of 300,000 km/sec (186,000 mi/sec), the speed of light.


PART 2 BELOW EXPLAINING THE DAYS AND THE YEARS AND EQUAL DAYS AND EQUAL NIGHTS
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


there was never a such thing a sunday in the bible just the 1st-7th day these days were given names in rome based on false gods. ALSO U ASK WHY WOULD YOU HAVE TO LOOK TO THE NEW MOON TO DETERMINE THE SABBATH? WELL WHY IS IT IN THE BIBLE ON VARIOUS OCCASIONS? UR WHOLE POST IS WORLDLY AND NOT SCRIPTURAL SO LETS GO INTO IT BRO

The Hebrews went by a Lunar Calendar,,when and if you get a Zondervan Bible Dictionary,,look up the words "TIME" AND "CALENDAR" IT WILL TELL YOU THAT US ISRAELITES WENT BY A LUNAR CALENDAR WHICH HAD 354 DAYS,,IT ALSO WILL TELL YOU THAT THE HEBREW MONTH STARTED WHEN THE NEW MOON CAME IN,,,MONTH COMES FROM MOON,,,SO WHEN THE NEW MOON CAME IN,,,THAT WAS THE START OF THE NEW MONTH,,DAY 1 OF THE MONTH,,,SEVENTH DAY FALLS BACK TO THAT DAY,,SO IF THE NEW MOON CAME IN ON A MONDAY SUNDOWN,,MONDAY SUNDOWN UNTIL TUESDAY SUNDOWN IS THE SABBATH FOR THAT MONTH,,,

HERE IS THE CLINCHER,,,GET "THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE HOLY LAND",,,LOOK UP THE WORDS "TIME AND "CALENDAR",,SAME THING,,YOU'LL FIND THAT THE HEBREW MONTH BEGAN WITH THE NEW MOON ALSO WHEN YOU LOOK UP CALENDAR,,THIS IS SOME OF WHAT YOU'LL FIND

CALENDAR,,THE GREGORIAN CALENDAR USED IN OUR OWN ERA COMES FROM THE ROMAN CALENDAR MADE BY JULIUS CAESAR WHICH THAT CALENDAR IS BASED OFF THE SUN(SOLAR),,THAT CAME FROM THE EGYPTIANS,,,ALL OTHER NATIONS,,AND MORE IMPORTANTLY,,THE ISRAELITES WAS USING LUNAR,,WHICH IS BASED ON THE NEW MOON AND ITS ORBIT FOR THE MONTH,,,LUNAR DAYS ARE 29 ½ DAYS TO 30 DAYS

BOTTOM LINE THE CALENDAR WE USE TODAY,,ISN'T FROM OUR PAST CULTURE,,MAINLY NOT FROM THE FATHER YHWH


THE DAYS OF THE WEEK ALL COME FROM PAGAN ROMAN BULL crap,,

SUNDAY,,IS FOR THE WORSHIP ON THE SUNDAY

MONDAY IS FOR THE MOON
TUESDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "MARTIS DIES" WHICH MEANS DAY OF MARS

WEDNESDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "DIES MERCURRII" DAY OF THE PLANET MERCURY,,

THURSDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "LOVIS DIES" OR "JOIVS DIES" WHICH MEANS JUPITER'S DAY

FRIDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "DIES VENERIS" WHICH IS THE WORSHIP OF VENUS,,,THE WORSHIP OF WOMEN,,,

SATURDAY,,SATURN,,AND THAT ROMAN BULL SHIT IDOL CALLED CRONUS

SO THE DAYS OF THE WEEK ARE ALL MAN MADE,,EXCUSE ME,,DEVIL MADE PAGAN DAYS WITH SATANIC MEANINGS,,,OUR DAYS WAS SIMPLE,,DAY 1,,DAY 2 DAY 3 DAY 4 DAY 5 DAY 6 DAY 7,WHICH IS THE LORD'S SABBATH!!,,,ETC UNTIL 29 OR 30 DAYS,,THEN THE NEW MOON WHICH IS THE START OF THE NEW MONTH,,,I HAVE SAID ENOUGH THROUGH THE SPIRIT,,SO I WILL LET THE WORD SPEAK!!!!

1 Samuel 20 :5 And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the New Moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even.

:18 Then Jonathan said to David, To morrow is the New Moon: and thou shalt be missed, because thy seat will be empty.

NOW KEY IN RIGHT HERE ON THIS VERSE

:27 And it came to pass on the morrow, which was the second day of the month, that David's place was empty: and Saul said unto Jonathan his son, Wherefore cometh not the son of Jesse to meat, neither yesterday, nor to day?


(A LIGHT SHOULD GO OFF IN YOUR BRAIN NOW,,,,THE MORROW WHICH WAS THE SECOND DAY OF THE MONTH,,WHAT WAS THE FIRST?,,THE NEW MOON,,WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN,,THAT'S THE START OF THE NEW DAY,,LIKE WHEN THE DAY BREAKS YOU SEE THE SUN,,AND IT GETS TO ITS HIGH POINT,,SO DOES THE MOON)

NOW KEY IN ON THIS VERSE

:34 So Jonathan arose from the table in fierce anger, and did eat no meat the second day of the month: for he was grieved for David, because his father had done him shame.

IN BOTH VERSES IT LETS YOU KNOW THAT THE SECOND DAY OF THE MONTH WAS AFTER THE NEW MOON,,WHICH WAS THE FIRST DAY OF THE MONTH,,,AND IT TOLD YOU AGAIN IN THE 34TH VERSE THE SECOND DAY OF THE MONTH,,SHOWING YOU WHAT? NEW MOON IS DAY 1 OF THE MONTH

EXAMPLE,,THE NEW MOON FOR THIS MONTH OF DECEMBER IS THE 27TH,,THAT'S A SO-CALLED SATURDAY ON THE CALENDAR,,THE MOON REACHES HIGHEST POINT AT MIDNIGHT,that's why they got it as Saturday CAUSE this SATAN starts his day at midnight,,when the FATHER SAID, THE NEW DAY STARTS AT SUNDOWN!!!,SO THE NEW MOON COMES IN FRIDAY SUNDOWN TO SATURDAY SUNDOWN,,THAT'S THE SABBATH UNTIL JANUARY 26,,JUST IN CASE YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT SUNDOWN IS,,,,

Mark 1 :32 And at Even, When The Sun Did Set, they brought unto him(Yhwsh) all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils.

Genesis 1 :5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the Evening and the morning were the first day.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.


NOW IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE MOON YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THE DAYS,,CAUSE IT WAS SET TO TELL THE DAYS,,,MORE IMPORTANTLY HIGH HOLY DAYS

Ecclesiasticus 43:6 He made the Moon also to serve in her Season for a declaration of Times, and a sign of the world.

7: From the Moon is the Sign of Feasts, a Light that decreaseth in her perfection.


8: The Month is called after her Name, increasing wonderfully in her changing, being an instrument of the armies above, shining in the firmament of heaven;

Psalms 104 :19 He appointed the Moon for Seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

Psalms 81 :3 Blow up the trumpet in the New Moon, in the Time Appointed, on our Solemn Feast Day.

Psalms 136 :9 The Moon and Stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Numbers 28 :11 And in the beginnings of your months ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, seven lambs of the first year without spot;

(WHICH IS THE NEW MOON)

Numbers 10 :10 Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the Beginnings of your Months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the LORD your God.

1 Chronicles 23 :31 And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the LORD in the Sabbaths, in the New Moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the LORD:
23:32 And that they should keep the charge of the tabernacle of the congregation, and the charge of the holy place, and the charge of the sons of Aaron their brethren, in the service of the house of the LORD.

2 Chronicles 31 :1 Now when all this was finished, all Israel that were present went out to the cities of Judah, and brake the images in pieces, and cut down the groves, and threw down the high places and the altars out of all Judah and Benjamin, in Ephraim also and Manasseh, until they had utterly destroyed them all. Then all the children of Israel returned, every man to his possession, into their own cities.31:2 And Hezekiah appointed the courses of the priests and the Levites after their courses, every man according to his service, the priests and Levites for burnt offerings and for peace offerings, to minister, and to give thanks, and to praise in the gates of the tents of the LORD.
31:3 He appointed also the king's portion of his substance for the burnt offerings, to wit, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the Sabbaths, and for the New Moons, and for the set feasts, as it is Written in the Law of the LORD.

2 Chronicles 2 :1 And Solomon determined to build an house for the name of the LORD, and an house for his kingdom.2:2 And Solomon told out threescore and ten thousand men to bear burdens, and fourscore thousand to hew in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred to oversee them.
2:3 And Solomon sent to Huram the king of Tyre, saying, As thou didst deal with David my father, and didst send him cedars to build him an house to dwell therein, even so deal with me.
2:4 Behold, I build an house to the name of the LORD my God, to dedicate it to him, and to burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shewbread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths, and on the New Moons, and on the solemn feasts of the LORD our God. This is an ordinance for ever to Israel.

Isaiah 66 :23 And it shall come to pass, that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

love ur zeal keep fighting even if you dont agree
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we know this it was a first day! If you read the whole study this is all explained...So go back and read ..I am not arguing here is either you figure it out or you don't it is self explanitory.. So have a good shabbat


THE LUNAR CALENDER IS NOT USED FOR THE WEEKLY SHABBAT.

THE LUANR CALENDER IS USED ONLY FOR FEAST DAYS AND SEASONS NOT THE WEEKLY SHABBAT!

THE LUMINARIES WERE CREATED ON THE 4TH DAY OF CREATION

ONE DAY WITH THE LORD IS A THOUSAND YEARS! TIME WAS ALREADY BEING COUNTED FROM DAY 1 OF CREATION UNTIL DAY 4{4000TH YEAR}.

MEANING 4000 YEARS UNTIL THE LUMINARIES THER WAS A COUNT FROM THE IST DAY



ANOTHER THING SINCE YOU WANTED TO GO THERE.

LONG AFTER GOD GAVE MOSES THE COMMANDMENTS: *REMEMBER TO KEEP THE 7TH DAY HOLY" tHE SEVENTH DAY WAS INCOORPORATED FROM CREATION BY GOD HIMSELF IN HIS TIME ON HIS DAY OF REST


THIS MEANS THE SEVENTH DAY COUNT OF THE CREATION CYCLE 7 DAYS IN A WEEK AND NOT THE 7TH DAY OF A MONTH


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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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there was never a such thing a sunday in the bible just the 1st-7th day these days were given names in rome based on false gods. ALSO U ASK WHY WOULD YOU HAVE TO LOOK TO THE NEW MOON TO DETERMINE THE SABBATH? WELL WHY IS IT IN THE BIBLE ON VARIOUS OCCASIONS? UR WHOLE POST IS WORLDLY AND NOT SCRIPTURAL SO LETS GO INTO IT BRO

The Hebrews went by a Lunar Calendar,,when and if you get a Zondervan Bible Dictionary,,look up the words "TIME" AND "CALENDAR" IT WILL TELL YOU THAT US ISRAELITES WENT BY A LUNAR CALENDAR WHICH HAD 354 DAYS,,IT ALSO WILL TELL YOU THAT THE HEBREW MONTH STARTED WHEN THE NEW MOON CAME IN,,,MONTH COMES FROM MOON,,,SO WHEN THE NEW MOON CAME IN,,,THAT WAS THE START OF THE NEW MONTH,,DAY 1 OF THE MONTH,,,SEVENTH DAY FALLS BACK TO THAT DAY,,SO IF THE NEW MOON CAME IN ON A MONDAY SUNDOWN,,MONDAY SUNDOWN UNTIL TUESDAY SUNDOWN IS THE SABBATH FOR THAT MONTH,,,

HERE IS THE CLINCHER,,,GET "THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE HOLY LAND",,,LOOK UP THE WORDS "TIME AND "CALENDAR",,SAME THING,,YOU'LL FIND THAT THE HEBREW MONTH BEGAN WITH THE NEW MOON ALSO WHEN YOU LOOK UP CALENDAR,,THIS IS SOME OF WHAT YOU'LL FIND

CALENDAR,,THE GREGORIAN CALENDAR USED IN OUR OWN ERA COMES FROM THE ROMAN CALENDAR MADE BY JULIUS CAESAR WHICH THAT CALENDAR IS BASED OFF THE SUN(SOLAR),,THAT CAME FROM THE EGYPTIANS,,,ALL OTHER NATIONS,,AND MORE IMPORTANTLY,,THE ISRAELITES WAS USING LUNAR,,WHICH IS BASED ON THE NEW MOON AND ITS ORBIT FOR THE MONTH,,,LUNAR DAYS ARE 29 ½ DAYS TO 30 DAYS

BOTTOM LINE THE CALENDAR WE USE TODAY,,ISN'T FROM OUR PAST CULTURE,,MAINLY NOT FROM THE FATHER YHWH


THE DAYS OF THE WEEK ALL COME FROM PAGAN ROMAN BULL crap,,

SUNDAY,,IS FOR THE WORSHIP ON THE SUNDAY

MONDAY IS FOR THE MOON
TUESDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "MARTIS DIES" WHICH MEANS DAY OF MARS

WEDNESDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "DIES MERCURRII" DAY OF THE PLANET MERCURY,,

THURSDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "LOVIS DIES" OR "JOIVS DIES" WHICH MEANS JUPITER'S DAY

FRIDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "DIES VENERIS" WHICH IS THE WORSHIP OF VENUS,,,THE WORSHIP OF WOMEN,,,

SATURDAY,,SATURN,,AND THAT ROMAN BULL SHIT IDOL CALLED CRONUS

SO THE DAYS OF THE WEEK ARE ALL MAN MADE,,EXCUSE ME,,DEVIL MADE PAGAN DAYS WITH SATANIC MEANINGS,,,OUR DAYS WAS SIMPLE,,DAY 1,,DAY 2 DAY 3 DAY 4 DAY 5 DAY 6 DAY 7,WHICH IS THE LORD'S SABBATH!!,,,ETC UNTIL 29 OR 30 DAYS,,THEN THE NEW MOON WHICH IS THE START OF THE NEW MONTH,,,I HAVE SAID ENOUGH THROUGH THE SPIRIT,,SO I WILL LET THE WORD SPEAK!!!!

1 Samuel 20 :5 And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the New Moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even.

:18 Then Jonathan said to David, To morrow is the New Moon: and thou shalt be missed, because thy seat will be empty.

NOW KEY IN RIGHT HERE ON THIS VERSE

:27 And it came to pass on the morrow, which was the second day of the month, that David's place was empty: and Saul said unto Jonathan his son, Wherefore cometh not the son of Jesse to meat, neither yesterday, nor to day?


(A LIGHT SHOULD GO OFF IN YOUR BRAIN NOW,,,,THE MORROW WHICH WAS THE SECOND DAY OF THE MONTH,,WHAT WAS THE FIRST?,,THE NEW MOON,,WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN,,THAT'S THE START OF THE NEW DAY,,LIKE WHEN THE DAY BREAKS YOU SEE THE SUN,,AND IT GETS TO ITS HIGH POINT,,SO DOES THE MOON)

NOW KEY IN ON THIS VERSE

:34 So Jonathan arose from the table in fierce anger, and did eat no meat the second day of the month: for he was grieved for David, because his father had done him shame.

IN BOTH VERSES IT LETS YOU KNOW THAT THE SECOND DAY OF THE MONTH WAS AFTER THE NEW MOON,,WHICH WAS THE FIRST DAY OF THE MONTH,,,AND IT TOLD YOU AGAIN IN THE 34TH VERSE THE SECOND DAY OF THE MONTH,,SHOWING YOU WHAT? NEW MOON IS DAY 1 OF THE MONTH

EXAMPLE,,THE NEW MOON FOR THIS MONTH OF DECEMBER IS THE 27TH,,THAT'S A SO-CALLED SATURDAY ON THE CALENDAR,,THE MOON REACHES HIGHEST POINT AT MIDNIGHT,that's why they got it as Saturday CAUSE this SATAN starts his day at midnight,,when the FATHER SAID, THE NEW DAY STARTS AT SUNDOWN!!!,SO THE NEW MOON COMES IN FRIDAY SUNDOWN TO SATURDAY SUNDOWN,,THAT'S THE SABBATH UNTIL JANUARY 26,,JUST IN CASE YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT SUNDOWN IS,,,,

Mark 1 :32 And at Even, When The Sun Did Set, they brought unto him(Yhwsh) all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils.

Genesis 1 :5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the Evening and the morning were the first day.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.


NOW IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE MOON YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THE DAYS,,CAUSE IT WAS SET TO TELL THE DAYS,,,MORE IMPORTANTLY HIGH HOLY DAYS

Ecclesiasticus 43:6 He made the Moon also to serve in her Season for a declaration of Times, and a sign of the world.

7: From the Moon is the Sign of Feasts, a Light that decreaseth in her perfection.


8: The Month is called after her Name, increasing wonderfully in her changing, being an instrument of the armies above, shining in the firmament of heaven;

Psalms 104 :19 He appointed the Moon for Seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

Psalms 81 :3 Blow up the trumpet in the New Moon, in the Time Appointed, on our Solemn Feast Day.

Psalms 136 :9 The Moon and Stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Numbers 28 :11 And in the beginnings of your months ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, seven lambs of the first year without spot;

(WHICH IS THE NEW MOON)

Numbers 10 :10 Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the Beginnings of your Months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the LORD your God.

1 Chronicles 23 :31 And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the LORD in the Sabbaths, in the New Moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the LORD:
23:32 And that they should keep the charge of the tabernacle of the congregation, and the charge of the holy place, and the charge of the sons of Aaron their brethren, in the service of the house of the LORD.

2 Chronicles 31 :1 Now when all this was finished, all Israel that were present went out to the cities of Judah, and brake the images in pieces, and cut down the groves, and threw down the high places and the altars out of all Judah and Benjamin, in Ephraim also and Manasseh, until they had utterly destroyed them all. Then all the children of Israel returned, every man to his possession, into their own cities.31:2 And Hezekiah appointed the courses of the priests and the Levites after their courses, every man according to his service, the priests and Levites for burnt offerings and for peace offerings, to minister, and to give thanks, and to praise in the gates of the tents of the LORD.
31:3 He appointed also the king's portion of his substance for the burnt offerings, to wit, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the Sabbaths, and for the New Moons, and for the set feasts, as it is Written in the Law of the LORD.

2 Chronicles 2 :1 And Solomon determined to build an house for the name of the LORD, and an house for his kingdom.2:2 And Solomon told out threescore and ten thousand men to bear burdens, and fourscore thousand to hew in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred to oversee them.
2:3 And Solomon sent to Huram the king of Tyre, saying, As thou didst deal with David my father, and didst send him cedars to build him an house to dwell therein, even so deal with me.
2:4 Behold, I build an house to the name of the LORD my God, to dedicate it to him, and to burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shewbread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths, and on the New Moons, and on the solemn feasts of the LORD our God. This is an ordinance for ever to Israel.

Isaiah 66 :23 And it shall come to pass, that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

love ur zeal keep fighting even if you dont agree
 Quoting: Jsand777 33119629


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Psa 81:3 Blow up the trumpet in the NEW MOON, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.
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there was never a such thing a sunday in the bible just the 1st-7th day these days were given names in rome based on false gods. ALSO U ASK WHY WOULD YOU HAVE TO LOOK TO THE NEW MOON TO DETERMINE THE SABBATH? WELL WHY IS IT IN THE BIBLE ON VARIOUS OCCASIONS? UR WHOLE POST IS WORLDLY AND NOT SCRIPTURAL SO LETS GO INTO IT BRO

The Hebrews went by a Lunar Calendar,,when and if you get a Zondervan Bible Dictionary,,look up the words "TIME" AND "CALENDAR" IT WILL TELL YOU THAT US ISRAELITES WENT BY A LUNAR CALENDAR WHICH HAD 354 DAYS,,IT ALSO WILL TELL YOU THAT THE HEBREW MONTH STARTED WHEN THE NEW MOON CAME IN,,,MONTH COMES FROM MOON,,,SO WHEN THE NEW MOON CAME IN,,,THAT WAS THE START OF THE NEW MONTH,,DAY 1 OF THE MONTH,,,SEVENTH DAY FALLS BACK TO THAT DAY,,SO IF THE NEW MOON CAME IN ON A MONDAY SUNDOWN,,MONDAY SUNDOWN UNTIL TUESDAY SUNDOWN IS THE SABBATH FOR THAT MONTH,,,

HERE IS THE CLINCHER,,,GET "THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE HOLY LAND",,,LOOK UP THE WORDS "TIME AND "CALENDAR",,SAME THING,,YOU'LL FIND THAT THE HEBREW MONTH BEGAN WITH THE NEW MOON ALSO WHEN YOU LOOK UP CALENDAR,,THIS IS SOME OF WHAT YOU'LL FIND

CALENDAR,,THE GREGORIAN CALENDAR USED IN OUR OWN ERA COMES FROM THE ROMAN CALENDAR MADE BY JULIUS CAESAR WHICH THAT CALENDAR IS BASED OFF THE SUN(SOLAR),,THAT CAME FROM THE EGYPTIANS,,,ALL OTHER NATIONS,,AND MORE IMPORTANTLY,,THE ISRAELITES WAS USING LUNAR,,WHICH IS BASED ON THE NEW MOON AND ITS ORBIT FOR THE MONTH,,,LUNAR DAYS ARE 29 ½ DAYS TO 30 DAYS

BOTTOM LINE THE CALENDAR WE USE TODAY,,ISN'T FROM OUR PAST CULTURE,,MAINLY NOT FROM THE FATHER YHWH


THE DAYS OF THE WEEK ALL COME FROM PAGAN ROMAN BULL crap,,

SUNDAY,,IS FOR THE WORSHIP ON THE SUNDAY

MONDAY IS FOR THE MOON
TUESDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "MARTIS DIES" WHICH MEANS DAY OF MARS

WEDNESDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "DIES MERCURRII" DAY OF THE PLANET MERCURY,,

THURSDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "LOVIS DIES" OR "JOIVS DIES" WHICH MEANS JUPITER'S DAY

FRIDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "DIES VENERIS" WHICH IS THE WORSHIP OF VENUS,,,THE WORSHIP OF WOMEN,,,

SATURDAY,,SATURN,,AND THAT ROMAN BULL SHIT IDOL CALLED CRONUS

SO THE DAYS OF THE WEEK ARE ALL MAN MADE,,EXCUSE ME,,DEVIL MADE PAGAN DAYS WITH SATANIC MEANINGS,,,OUR DAYS WAS SIMPLE,,DAY 1,,DAY 2 DAY 3 DAY 4 DAY 5 DAY 6 DAY 7,WHICH IS THE LORD'S SABBATH!!,,,ETC UNTIL 29 OR 30 DAYS,,THEN THE NEW MOON WHICH IS THE START OF THE NEW MONTH,,,I HAVE SAID ENOUGH THROUGH THE SPIRIT,,SO I WILL LET THE WORD SPEAK!!!!

1 Samuel 20 :5 And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the New Moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even.

:18 Then Jonathan said to David, To morrow is the New Moon: and thou shalt be missed, because thy seat will be empty.

NOW KEY IN RIGHT HERE ON THIS VERSE

:27 And it came to pass on the morrow, which was the second day of the month, that David's place was empty: and Saul said unto Jonathan his son, Wherefore cometh not the son of Jesse to meat, neither yesterday, nor to day?


(A LIGHT SHOULD GO OFF IN YOUR BRAIN NOW,,,,THE MORROW WHICH WAS THE SECOND DAY OF THE MONTH,,WHAT WAS THE FIRST?,,THE NEW MOON,,WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN,,THAT'S THE START OF THE NEW DAY,,LIKE WHEN THE DAY BREAKS YOU SEE THE SUN,,AND IT GETS TO ITS HIGH POINT,,SO DOES THE MOON)

NOW KEY IN ON THIS VERSE

:34 So Jonathan arose from the table in fierce anger, and did eat no meat the second day of the month: for he was grieved for David, because his father had done him shame.

IN BOTH VERSES IT LETS YOU KNOW THAT THE SECOND DAY OF THE MONTH WAS AFTER THE NEW MOON,,WHICH WAS THE FIRST DAY OF THE MONTH,,,AND IT TOLD YOU AGAIN IN THE 34TH VERSE THE SECOND DAY OF THE MONTH,,SHOWING YOU WHAT? NEW MOON IS DAY 1 OF THE MONTH

EXAMPLE,,THE NEW MOON FOR THIS MONTH OF DECEMBER IS THE 27TH,,THAT'S A SO-CALLED SATURDAY ON THE CALENDAR,,THE MOON REACHES HIGHEST POINT AT MIDNIGHT,that's why they got it as Saturday CAUSE this SATAN starts his day at midnight,,when the FATHER SAID, THE NEW DAY STARTS AT SUNDOWN!!!,SO THE NEW MOON COMES IN FRIDAY SUNDOWN TO SATURDAY SUNDOWN,,THAT'S THE SABBATH UNTIL JANUARY 26,,JUST IN CASE YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT SUNDOWN IS,,,,

Mark 1 :32 And at Even, When The Sun Did Set, they brought unto him(Yhwsh) all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils.

Genesis 1 :5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the Evening and the morning were the first day.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.


NOW IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE MOON YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THE DAYS,,CAUSE IT WAS SET TO TELL THE DAYS,,,MORE IMPORTANTLY HIGH HOLY DAYS

Ecclesiasticus 43:6 He made the Moon also to serve in her Season for a declaration of Times, and a sign of the world.

7: From the Moon is the Sign of Feasts, a Light that decreaseth in her perfection.


8: The Month is called after her Name, increasing wonderfully in her changing, being an instrument of the armies above, shining in the firmament of heaven;

Psalms 104 :19 He appointed the Moon for Seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

Psalms 81 :3 Blow up the trumpet in the New Moon, in the Time Appointed, on our Solemn Feast Day.

Psalms 136 :9 The Moon and Stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Numbers 28 :11 And in the beginnings of your months ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, seven lambs of the first year without spot;

(WHICH IS THE NEW MOON)

Numbers 10 :10 Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the Beginnings of your Months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the LORD your God.

1 Chronicles 23 :31 And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the LORD in the Sabbaths, in the New Moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the LORD:
23:32 And that they should keep the charge of the tabernacle of the congregation, and the charge of the holy place, and the charge of the sons of Aaron their brethren, in the service of the house of the LORD.

2 Chronicles 31 :1 Now when all this was finished, all Israel that were present went out to the cities of Judah, and brake the images in pieces, and cut down the groves, and threw down the high places and the altars out of all Judah and Benjamin, in Ephraim also and Manasseh, until they had utterly destroyed them all. Then all the children of Israel returned, every man to his possession, into their own cities.31:2 And Hezekiah appointed the courses of the priests and the Levites after their courses, every man according to his service, the priests and Levites for burnt offerings and for peace offerings, to minister, and to give thanks, and to praise in the gates of the tents of the LORD.
31:3 He appointed also the king's portion of his substance for the burnt offerings, to wit, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the Sabbaths, and for the New Moons, and for the set feasts, as it is Written in the Law of the LORD.

2 Chronicles 2 :1 And Solomon determined to build an house for the name of the LORD, and an house for his kingdom.2:2 And Solomon told out threescore and ten thousand men to bear burdens, and fourscore thousand to hew in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred to oversee them.
2:3 And Solomon sent to Huram the king of Tyre, saying, As thou didst deal with David my father, and didst send him cedars to build him an house to dwell therein, even so deal with me.
2:4 Behold, I build an house to the name of the LORD my God, to dedicate it to him, and to burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shewbread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths, and on the New Moons, and on the solemn feasts of the LORD our God. This is an ordinance for ever to Israel.

Isaiah 66 :23 And it shall come to pass, that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

love ur zeal keep fighting even if you dont agree
 Quoting: Jsand777 33119629


Psa 81:3 Blow up the trumpet in the NEW MOON, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34008223


Isaiah 66 :23 And it shall come to pass, that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.


A NEW MOON IS THE BEGINNING OF A NEW MONTH AND THE SHABBAT YOU SEE IS SEPARATED FROM THAT WHICH IS WEEKLY. NOTICE "AND FROM ONE SHABBAT"



2Ki 4:23 And he said, Wherefore wilt thou go to him to day? [b][it is] neither new moon, nor sabbath. And she said, [It shall be] well.


STRONGS CONCORDANCE NEWMOON

HEBREW= chodesh

) the new moon, month, monthly

a) the first day of the month

b) the lunar month


LET US LOOK UP THE MEANING OF "MOON" STRONGS

Hebrew = yareach

MOON


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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Evidence that the New Moon governs the Shabath:

1Sa 20:24 ¶ So David hid himself in the field: and when the new moon was come, the king sat him down to eat meat.


1Sa 20:25 And the king sat upon his seat, as at other times, [even] upon a seat by the wall: and Jonathan arose, and Abner sat by Saul's side, and David's place was empty.


1Sa 20:26 Nevertheless Saul spake not any thing that day: for he thought, Something hath befallen him, he [is] not clean; surely he [is] not clean.


1Sa 20:27 And it came to pass on the morrow, [which was] the second [day] of the month, that David's place was empty: and Saul said unto Jonathan his son, Wherefore cometh not the son of Jesse to meat, neither yesterday, nor to day?


The above shows that the ancient Israelites/Isharali calendar was based on the moon.
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Evidence that the New Moon governs the Shabath:

1Sa 20:24 ¶ So David hid himself in the field: and when the new moon was come, the king sat him down to eat meat.


1Sa 20:25 And the king sat upon his seat, as at other times, [even] upon a seat by the wall: and Jonathan arose, and Abner sat by Saul's side, and David's place was empty.


1Sa 20:26 Nevertheless Saul spake not any thing that day: for he thought, Something hath befallen him, he [is] not clean; surely he [is] not clean.


1Sa 20:27 And it came to pass on the morrow, [which was] the second [day] of the month, that David's place was empty: and Saul said unto Jonathan his son, Wherefore cometh not the son of Jesse to meat, neither yesterday, nor to day?


The above shows that the ancient Israelites/Isharali calendar was based on the moon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34008223


YES THEY USED A LUNAR CALENDAR BUT THE WEEKLY SHABBATH WAS NOT DETERMIENED BY THE SIGHTING OF A NEWMOON IS THE BEGINNING OF A NEW MONTH! lol

Until you get this you will be in error!

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Evidence that the New Moon governs the Shabath:

1Sa 20:24 ¶ So David hid himself in the field: and when the new moon was come, the king sat him down to eat meat.


1Sa 20:25 And the king sat upon his seat, as at other times, [even] upon a seat by the wall: and Jonathan arose, and Abner sat by Saul's side, and David's place was empty.


1Sa 20:26 Nevertheless Saul spake not any thing that day: for he thought, Something hath befallen him, he [is] not clean; surely he [is] not clean.


1Sa 20:27 And it came to pass on the morrow, [which was] the second [day] of the month, that David's place was empty: and Saul said unto Jonathan his son, Wherefore cometh not the son of Jesse to meat, neither yesterday, nor to day?


The above shows that the ancient Israelites/Isharali calendar was based on the moon.
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YES THEY USED A LUNAR CALENDAR BUT THE WEEKLY SHABBATH WAS NOT DTERMIENED BY THE SITING OF A NEW MOON
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{snip} QUAL DAYS AND EQUAL NIGHTS
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there was never a such thing a sunday in the bible just the 1st-7th day these days were given names in rome based on false gods. ALSO U ASK WHY WOULD YOU HAVE TO LOOK TO THE NEW MOON TO DETERMINE THE SABBATH? WELL WHY IS IT IN THE BIBLE ON VARIOUS OCCASIONS? UR WHOLE POST IS WORLDLY AND NOT SCRIPTURAL SO LETS GO INTO IT BRO

The Hebrews went by a Lunar Calendar,,when and if you get a Zondervan Bible Dictionary,,look up the words "TIME" AND "CALENDAR" IT WILL TELL YOU THAT US ISRAELITES WENT BY A LUNAR CALENDAR WHICH HAD 354 DAYS,,IT ALSO WILL TELL YOU THAT THE HEBREW MONTH STARTED WHEN THE NEW MOON CAME IN,,,MONTH COMES FROM MOON,,,SO WHEN THE NEW MOON CAME IN,,,THAT WAS THE START OF THE NEW MONTH,,DAY 1 OF THE MONTH,,,SEVENTH DAY FALLS BACK TO THAT DAY,,SO IF THE NEW MOON CAME IN ON A MONDAY SUNDOWN,,MONDAY SUNDOWN UNTIL TUESDAY SUNDOWN IS THE SABBATH FOR THAT MONTH,,,

HERE IS THE CLINCHER,,,GET "THE ARCHAEOLOGICAL ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE HOLY LAND",,,LOOK UP THE WORDS "TIME AND "CALENDAR",,SAME THING,,YOU'LL FIND THAT THE HEBREW MONTH BEGAN WITH THE NEW MOON ALSO WHEN YOU LOOK UP CALENDAR,,THIS IS SOME OF WHAT YOU'LL FIND

CALENDAR,,THE GREGORIAN CALENDAR USED IN OUR OWN ERA COMES FROM THE ROMAN CALENDAR MADE BY JULIUS CAESAR WHICH THAT CALENDAR IS BASED OFF THE SUN(SOLAR),,THAT CAME FROM THE EGYPTIANS,,,ALL OTHER NATIONS,,AND MORE IMPORTANTLY,,THE ISRAELITES WAS USING LUNAR,,WHICH IS BASED ON THE NEW MOON AND ITS ORBIT FOR THE MONTH,,,LUNAR DAYS ARE 29 ½ DAYS TO 30 DAYS

BOTTOM LINE THE CALENDAR WE USE TODAY,,ISN'T FROM OUR PAST CULTURE,,MAINLY NOT FROM THE FATHER YHWH


THE DAYS OF THE WEEK ALL COME FROM PAGAN ROMAN BULL crap,,

SUNDAY,,IS FOR THE WORSHIP ON THE SUNDAY

MONDAY IS FOR THE MOON
TUESDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "MARTIS DIES" WHICH MEANS DAY OF MARS

WEDNESDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "DIES MERCURRII" DAY OF THE PLANET MERCURY,,

THURSDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "LOVIS DIES" OR "JOIVS DIES" WHICH MEANS JUPITER'S DAY

FRIDAY COMES FROM THE LATIN "DIES VENERIS" WHICH IS THE WORSHIP OF VENUS,,,THE WORSHIP OF WOMEN,,,

SATURDAY,,SATURN,,AND THAT ROMAN BULL SHIT IDOL CALLED CRONUS

SO THE DAYS OF THE WEEK ARE ALL MAN MADE,,EXCUSE ME,,DEVIL MADE PAGAN DAYS WITH SATANIC MEANINGS,,,OUR DAYS WAS SIMPLE,,DAY 1,,DAY 2 DAY 3 DAY 4 DAY 5 DAY 6 DAY 7,WHICH IS THE LORD'S SABBATH!!,,,ETC UNTIL 29 OR 30 DAYS,,THEN THE NEW MOON WHICH IS THE START OF THE NEW MONTH,,,I HAVE SAID ENOUGH THROUGH THE SPIRIT,,SO I WILL LET THE WORD SPEAK!!!!

1 Samuel 20 :5 And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the New Moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even.

:18 Then Jonathan said to David, To morrow is the New Moon: and thou shalt be missed, because thy seat will be empty.

NOW KEY IN RIGHT HERE ON THIS VERSE

:27 And it came to pass on the morrow, which was the second day of the month, that David's place was empty: and Saul said unto Jonathan his son, Wherefore cometh not the son of Jesse to meat, neither yesterday, nor to day?


(A LIGHT SHOULD GO OFF IN YOUR BRAIN NOW,,,,THE MORROW WHICH WAS THE SECOND DAY OF THE MONTH,,WHAT WAS THE FIRST?,,THE NEW MOON,,WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN,,THAT'S THE START OF THE NEW DAY,,LIKE WHEN THE DAY BREAKS YOU SEE THE SUN,,AND IT GETS TO ITS HIGH POINT,,SO DOES THE MOON)

NOW KEY IN ON THIS VERSE

:34 So Jonathan arose from the table in fierce anger, and did eat no meat the second day of the month: for he was grieved for David, because his father had done him shame.

IN BOTH VERSES IT LETS YOU KNOW THAT THE SECOND DAY OF THE MONTH WAS AFTER THE NEW MOON,,WHICH WAS THE FIRST DAY OF THE MONTH,,,AND IT TOLD YOU AGAIN IN THE 34TH VERSE THE SECOND DAY OF THE MONTH,,SHOWING YOU WHAT? NEW MOON IS DAY 1 OF THE MONTH

EXAMPLE,,THE NEW MOON FOR THIS MONTH OF DECEMBER IS THE 27TH,,THAT'S A SO-CALLED SATURDAY ON THE CALENDAR,,THE MOON REACHES HIGHEST POINT AT MIDNIGHT,that's why they got it as Saturday CAUSE this SATAN starts his day at midnight,,when the FATHER SAID, THE NEW DAY STARTS AT SUNDOWN!!!,SO THE NEW MOON COMES IN FRIDAY SUNDOWN TO SATURDAY SUNDOWN,,THAT'S THE SABBATH UNTIL JANUARY 26,,JUST IN CASE YOU'RE NOT SURE WHAT SUNDOWN IS,,,,

Mark 1 :32 And at Even, When The Sun Did Set, they brought unto him(Yhwsh) all that were diseased, and them that were possessed with devils.

Genesis 1 :5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the Evening and the morning were the first day.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.


NOW IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE MOON YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THE DAYS,,CAUSE IT WAS SET TO TELL THE DAYS,,,MORE IMPORTANTLY HIGH HOLY DAYS

Ecclesiasticus 43:6 He made the Moon also to serve in her Season for a declaration of Times, and a sign of the world.

7: From the Moon is the Sign of Feasts, a Light that decreaseth in her perfection.


8: The Month is called after her Name, increasing wonderfully in her changing, being an instrument of the armies above, shining in the firmament of heaven;

Psalms 104 :19 He appointed the Moon for Seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

Psalms 81 :3 Blow up the trumpet in the New Moon, in the Time Appointed, on our Solemn Feast Day.

Psalms 136 :9 The Moon and Stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Numbers 28 :11 And in the beginnings of your months ye shall offer a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, seven lambs of the first year without spot;

(WHICH IS THE NEW MOON)

Numbers 10 :10 Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the Beginnings of your Months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the LORD your God.

1 Chronicles 23 :31 And to offer all burnt sacrifices unto the LORD in the Sabbaths, in the New Moons, and on the set feasts, by number, according to the order commanded unto them, continually before the LORD:
23:32 And that they should keep the charge of the tabernacle of the congregation, and the charge of the holy place, and the charge of the sons of Aaron their brethren, in the service of the house of the LORD.

2 Chronicles 31 :1 Now when all this was finished, all Israel that were present went out to the cities of Judah, and brake the images in pieces, and cut down the groves, and threw down the high places and the altars out of all Judah and Benjamin, in Ephraim also and Manasseh, until they had utterly destroyed them all. Then all the children of Israel returned, every man to his possession, into their own cities.31:2 And Hezekiah appointed the courses of the priests and the Levites after their courses, every man according to his service, the priests and Levites for burnt offerings and for peace offerings, to minister, and to give thanks, and to praise in the gates of the tents of the LORD.
31:3 He appointed also the king's portion of his substance for the burnt offerings, to wit, for the morning and evening burnt offerings, and the burnt offerings for the Sabbaths, and for the New Moons, and for the set feasts, as it is Written in the Law of the LORD.

2 Chronicles 2 :1 And Solomon determined to build an house for the name of the LORD, and an house for his kingdom.2:2 And Solomon told out threescore and ten thousand men to bear burdens, and fourscore thousand to hew in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred to oversee them.
2:3 And Solomon sent to Huram the king of Tyre, saying, As thou didst deal with David my father, and didst send him cedars to build him an house to dwell therein, even so deal with me.
2:4 Behold, I build an house to the name of the LORD my God, to dedicate it to him, and to burn before him sweet incense, and for the continual shewbread, and for the burnt offerings morning and evening, on the Sabbaths, and on the New Moons, and on the solemn feasts of the LORD our God. This is an ordinance for ever to Israel.

Isaiah 66 :23 And it shall come to pass, that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

love ur zeal keep fighting even if you dont agree
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Psa 81:3 Blow up the trumpet in the NEW MOON, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.
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Isaiah 66 :23 And it shall come to pass, that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.


A NEW MOON IS THE BEGINNING OF A NEW MONTH AND THE SHABBAT YOU SEE IS SEPARATED FROM THAT WHICH IS WEEKLY. NOTICE "AND FROM ONE SHABBAT"



2Ki 4:23 And he said, Wherefore wilt thou go to him to day? [b][it is] neither new moon, nor sabbath. And she said, [It shall be] well.


STRONGS CONCORDANCE NEWMOON

HEBREW= chodesh

) the new moon, month, monthly

a) the first day of the month

b) the lunar month


LET US LOOK UP THE MEANING OF "MOON" STRONGS

Hebrew = yareach

MOON

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Evidence that the New Moon governs the Shabath:

1Sa 20:24 ¶ So David hid himself in the field: and when the new moon was come, the king sat him down to eat meat.


1Sa 20:25 And the king sat upon his seat, as at other times, [even] upon a seat by the wall: and Jonathan arose, and Abner sat by Saul's side, and David's place was empty.


1Sa 20:26 Nevertheless Saul spake not any thing that day: for he thought, Something hath befallen him, he [is] not clean; surely he [is] not clean.


1Sa 20:27 And it came to pass on the morrow, [which was] the second [day] of the month, that David's place was empty: and Saul said unto Jonathan his son, Wherefore cometh not the son of Jesse to meat, neither yesterday, nor to day?


The above shows that the ancient Israelites/Isharali calendar was based on the moon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34008223


YES THEY USED A LUNAR CALENDAR BUT THE WEEKLY SHABBATH WAS NOT DETERMIENED BY THE SIGHTING OF A MOON . WHEN THER BIBLE MENTIONS NEWMOON IT IS REFERRING TO THE BEGINNING OF A NEW MONTH! lol

Until you get this you will be in error!
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Evidence that the New Moon governs the Shabath:

1Sa 20:24 ¶ So David hid himself in the field: and when the new moon was come, the king sat him down to eat meat.


1Sa 20:25 And the king sat upon his seat, as at other times, [even] upon a seat by the wall: and Jonathan arose, and Abner sat by Saul's side, and David's place was empty.


1Sa 20:26 Nevertheless Saul spake not any thing that day: for he thought, Something hath befallen him, he [is] not clean; surely he [is] not clean.


1Sa 20:27 And it came to pass on the morrow, [which was] the second [day] of the month, that David's place was empty: and Saul said unto Jonathan his son, Wherefore cometh not the son of Jesse to meat, neither yesterday, nor to day?


The above shows that the ancient Israelites/Isharali calendar was based on the moon.
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YES THEY USED A LUNAR CALENDAR BUT THE WEEKLY SHABBATH WAS NOT DTERMIENED BY THE SITING OF A NEW MOON
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The Scriptures speak for themselves.
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Please, just don't become like the Pharisees! Keep your eyes on Jesus and don't swallow camels while straining at gnats. :/ It's not about saying names the right way, or observing days/times. If we go back to that then we'd may as well become Jews!

"I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father but by Me."
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Evidence that the New Moon governs the Shabath:

1Sa 20:24 ¶ So David hid himself in the field: and when the new moon was come, the king sat him down to eat meat.


1Sa 20:25 And the king sat upon his seat, as at other times, [even] upon a seat by the wall: and Jonathan arose, and Abner sat by Saul's side, and David's place was empty.


1Sa 20:26 Nevertheless Saul spake not any thing that day: for he thought, Something hath befallen him, he [is] not clean; surely he [is] not clean.


1Sa 20:27 And it came to pass on the morrow, [which was] the second [day] of the month, that David's place was empty: and Saul said unto Jonathan his son, Wherefore cometh not the son of Jesse to meat, neither yesterday, nor to day?


The above shows that the ancient Israelites/Isharali calendar was based on the moon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34008223


YES THEY USED A LUNAR CALENDAR BUT THE WEEKLY SHABBATH WAS NOT DETERMIENED BY THE SIGHTING OF A MOON . WHEN THER BIBLE MENTIONS NEWMOON IT IS REFERRING TO THE BEGINNING OF A NEW MONTH! lol

Until you get this you will be in error!
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Isaiah 66 :23 And it shall come to pass, that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.


A NEW MOON IS THE BEGINNING OF A NEW MONTH AND THE SHABBAT YOU SEE IS SEPARATED FROM THAT WHICH IS WEEKLY. NOTICE "AND FROM ONE SHABBAT"



2Ki 4:23 And he said, Wherefore wilt thou go to him to day? [b][it is] neither new moon, nor sabbath. And she said, [It shall be] well.


STRONGS CONCORDANCE NEWMOON

HEBREW= chodesh

) the new moon, month, monthly

a) the first day of the month

b) the lunar month


LET US LOOK UP THE MEANING OF "MOON" STRONGS

Hebrew = yareach

MOON

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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PART #5 HERE IS FROM THE BOOK OF JUBILEES THE COMMANDS TO MOSES THAT THE MOON IS NOT TO BE FOLLOWED.THIS IS MORE CONFIRMATION THAT THE LUNAR SHABBAT IS DEMONIC


And command thou the children of Israel that they observe the years according to this reckoning- three hundred and sixty-four days, and (these) will constitute a complete year, and they will not disturb its time from its days and from its feasts; for everything will fall out in them according to their testimony, and they will not leave out any day nor disturb any feasts.


But if they do neglect and do not observe them according to His commandment, then they will disturb all their seasons and the years will be dislodged from this (order), [and they will disturb the seasons and the years will be dislodged] and they will neglect their ordinances.

And all the children of Israel will forget and will not find the path of the years, and will forget the new moons, and seasons, and sabbaths and they will go wrong as to all the order of the years.

For I know and from henceforth will I declare it unto thee, and it is not of my own devising; for the book (lies) written before me, and on the heavenly tablets the division of days is ordained, lest they forget the feasts of the covenant and walk according to the feasts of the Gentiles after their error and after their ignorance.



**TAKE NOTE!**
For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon -how (it) disturbs the seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.


For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the order), and make an abominable (day) the day of testimony, and an unclean day a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the holy with the unclean, and the unclean day with the holy; for they will go wrong as to the months and sabbaths and feasts and jubilees.


For this reason I command and testify to thee that thou mayst testify to them; for after thy death thy children will disturb (them), so that they will not make the year three hundred and sixty-four days only, and for this reason they will go wrong as to the new moons and seasons and sabbaths and festivals, and they will eat all kinds of blood with all kinds of flesh.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Evidence that the New Moon governs the Shabath:

1Sa 20:24 ¶ So David hid himself in the field: and when the new moon was come, the king sat him down to eat meat.


1Sa 20:25 And the king sat upon his seat, as at other times, [even] upon a seat by the wall: and Jonathan arose, and Abner sat by Saul's side, and David's place was empty.


1Sa 20:26 Nevertheless Saul spake not any thing that day: for he thought, Something hath befallen him, he [is] not clean; surely he [is] not clean.


1Sa 20:27 And it came to pass on the morrow, [which was] the second [day] of the month, that David's place was empty: and Saul said unto Jonathan his son, Wherefore cometh not the son of Jesse to meat, neither yesterday, nor to day?


The above shows that the ancient Israelites/Isharali calendar was based on the moon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34008223


YES THEY USED A LUNAR CALENDAR BUT THE WEEKLY SHABBATH WAS NOT DETERMIENED BY THE SIGHTING OF A MOON . WHEN THER BIBLE MENTIONS NEWMOON IT IS REFERRING TO THE BEGINNING OF A NEW MONTH! lol

Until you get this you will be in error!
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The Scriptures above show that the New Moon is not the Shabath. Read them again. And I never said they were the same.
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The Scriptures Speak for themselves.
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PART #5 HERE IS FROM THE BOOK OF JUBILEES THE COMMANDS TO MOSES THAT THE MOON IS NOT TO BE FOLLOWED.THIS IS MORE CONFIRMATION THAT THE LUNAR SHABBAT IS DEMONIC


And command thou the children of Israel that they observe the years according to this reckoning- three hundred and sixty-four days, and (these) will constitute a complete year, and they will not disturb its time from its days and from its feasts; for everything will fall out in them according to their testimony, and they will not leave out any day nor disturb any feasts.


But if they do neglect and do not observe them according to His commandment, then they will disturb all their seasons and the years will be dislodged from this (order), [and they will disturb the seasons and the years will be dislodged] and they will neglect their ordinances.

And all the children of Israel will forget and will not find the path of the years, and will forget the new moons, and seasons, and sabbaths and they will go wrong as to all the order of the years.

For I know and from henceforth will I declare it unto thee, and it is not of my own devising; for the book (lies) written before me, and on the heavenly tablets the division of days is ordained, lest they forget the feasts of the covenant and walk according to the feasts of the Gentiles after their error and after their ignorance.



**TAKE NOTE!**
For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon -how (it) disturbs the seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.


For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the order), and make an abominable (day) the day of testimony, and an unclean day a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the holy with the unclean, and the unclean day with the holy; for they will go wrong as to the months and sabbaths and feasts and jubilees.


For this reason I command and testify to thee that thou mayst testify to them; for after thy death thy children will disturb (them), so that they will not make the year three hundred and sixty-four days only, and for this reason they will go wrong as to the new moons and seasons and sabbaths and festivals, and they will eat all kinds of blood with all kinds of flesh.
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Let see why God gave moses and Enoch the instructions not to follow the moon? Here we see the same thing was expalined to Moses that the time will be off by 10 days

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A lunar calendar is a calendar that is based on cycles of the lunar phase. Because there are about twelve lunations (synodic months) in a solar year, this period (354.37 days) is sometimes referred to as a lunar year.

A common purely lunar calendar is the Islamic calendar or Hijri Qamari calendar. A feature of the Islamic calendar is that a year is always 12 months, so the months are not linked with the seasons and drift each solar year by 11 to 12 days. It comes back to the position it had in relation to the solar year approximately every 33 Islamic years. It is used mainly for religious purposes, and in Saudi Arabia it is the official calendar. In other systems, a lunar calendar may include extra months added that synchronize it with the solar calendar


CONFIRMATION FROM THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS CONFIRMING ENOCH AND MOSES ARE CORRECT.
ISRAEL WENT ASTRAY FROM THIS AND THEY WERE WARNED NOT TO FOLLOW THE WAY OF THE GENTILES AND DEALT WITH THE MOON

The group of sectarian scholars who stored the manuscripts in the Qumran Caves were an apocalyptic group who defined their own rules and sets of behaviors apart from mainstream Jewish life as defined by the Temple at Jerusalem. While this group describes themselves as the 'Sons of Zadok' in the scrolls, scholars for the most part believe this sect to have been the Essenes, one of three main schools of philosophy in the Hebrew religion at the time (the others are Pharisees and Sadducees). Observing holy days is an important pillar of daily life in any religion, and the calendar of religious festivals was an important difference between the sect of the scrolls and that of mainstream Judaism.

This document provides a record of the Sabbaths, first days of the months, and the festivals of the Dead Sea sect by priestly division and according to the solar calendar. The Dead Sea sect used a solar calendar of 364 days in the year thus the sectarian calendars were six years long rather than one. The solar calendar stood against the more popular 354 day lunar calendar used in the Temple. This lunar model was victorious in the calendar wars of the period and is still the form used by normative Judaism to this very day. Parchment, Hebrew language, written 1st century B.C.E.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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YES THEY USED A LUNAR CALENDAR BUT THE WEEKLY SHABBATH WAS NOT DETERMIENED BY THE SIGHTING OF A NEWMOON IS THE BEGINNING OF A NEW MONTH! lol

Until you get this you will be in error!
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What would be the purpose of the new months otherwise than begin the counting of the days anew?
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PART #5 HERE IS FROM THE BOOK OF JUBILEES THE COMMANDS TO MOSES THAT THE MOON IS NOT TO BE FOLLOWED.THIS IS MORE CONFIRMATION THAT THE LUNAR SHABBAT IS DEMONIC


And command thou the children of Israel that they observe the years according to this reckoning- three hundred and sixty-four days, and (these) will constitute a complete year, and they will not disturb its time from its days and from its feasts; for everything will fall out in them according to their testimony, and they will not leave out any day nor disturb any feasts.


But if they do neglect and do not observe them according to His commandment, then they will disturb all their seasons and the years will be dislodged from this (order), [and they will disturb the seasons and the years will be dislodged] and they will neglect their ordinances.

And all the children of Israel will forget and will not find the path of the years, and will forget the new moons, and seasons, and sabbaths and they will go wrong as to all the order of the years.

For I know and from henceforth will I declare it unto thee, and it is not of my own devising; for the book (lies) written before me, and on the heavenly tablets the division of days is ordained, lest they forget the feasts of the covenant and walk according to the feasts of the Gentiles after their error and after their ignorance.



**TAKE NOTE!**
For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon -how (it) disturbs the seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.


For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the order), and make an abominable (day) the day of testimony, and an unclean day a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the holy with the unclean, and the unclean day with the holy; for they will go wrong as to the months and sabbaths and feasts and jubilees.


For this reason I command and testify to thee that thou mayst testify to them; for after thy death thy children will disturb (them), so that they will not make the year three hundred and sixty-four days only, and for this reason they will go wrong as to the new moons and seasons and sabbaths and festivals, and they will eat all kinds of blood with all kinds of flesh.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar




Let see why God gave moses and Enoch the instructions not to follow the moon? Here we see the same thing was expalined to Moses that the time will be off by 10 days

wikipedia
A lunar calendar is a calendar that is based on cycles of the lunar phase. Because there are about twelve lunations (synodic months) in a solar year, this period (354.37 days) is sometimes referred to as a lunar year.

A common purely lunar calendar is the Islamic calendar or Hijri Qamari calendar. A feature of the Islamic calendar is that a year is always 12 months, so the months are not linked with the seasons and drift each solar year by 11 to 12 days. It comes back to the position it had in relation to the solar year approximately every 33 Islamic years. It is used mainly for religious purposes, and in Saudi Arabia it is the official calendar. In other systems, a lunar calendar may include extra months added that synchronize it with the solar calendar


CONFIRMATION FROM THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS CONFIRMING ENOCH AND MOSES ARE CORRECT.
ISRAEL WENT ASTRAY FROM THIS AND THEY WERE WARNED NOT TO FOLLOW THE WAY OF THE GENTILES AND DEALT WITH THE MOON

The group of sectarian scholars who stored the manuscripts in the Qumran Caves were an apocalyptic group who defined their own rules and sets of behaviors apart from mainstream Jewish life as defined by the Temple at Jerusalem. While this group describes themselves as the 'Sons of Zadok' in the scrolls, scholars for the most part believe this sect to have been the Essenes, one of three main schools of philosophy in the Hebrew religion at the time (the others are Pharisees and Sadducees). Observing holy days is an important pillar of daily life in any religion, and the calendar of religious festivals was an important difference between the sect of the scrolls and that of mainstream Judaism.

This document provides a record of the Sabbaths, first days of the months, and the festivals of the Dead Sea sect by priestly division and according to the solar calendar. The Dead Sea sect used a solar calendar of 364 days in the year thus the sectarian calendars were six years long rather than one. The solar calendar stood against the more popular 354 day lunar calendar used in the Temple. This lunar model was victorious in the calendar wars of the period and is still the form used by normative Judaism to this very day. Parchment, Hebrew language, written 1st century B.C.E.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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PART #5 HERE IS FROM THE BOOK OF JUBILEES THE COMMANDS TO MOSES THAT THE MOON IS NOT TO BE FOLLOWED.THIS IS MORE CONFIRMATION THAT THE LUNAR SHABBAT IS DEMONIC


And command thou the children of Israel that they observe the years according to this reckoning- three hundred and sixty-four days, and (these) will constitute a complete year, and they will not disturb its time from its days and from its feasts; for everything will fall out in them according to their testimony, and they will not leave out any day nor disturb any feasts.


But if they do neglect and do not observe them according to His commandment, then they will disturb all their seasons and the years will be dislodged from this (order), [and they will disturb the seasons and the years will be dislodged] and they will neglect their ordinances.

And all the children of Israel will forget and will not find the path of the years, and will forget the new moons, and seasons, and sabbaths and they will go wrong as to all the order of the years.

For I know and from henceforth will I declare it unto thee, and it is not of my own devising; for the book (lies) written before me, and on the heavenly tablets the division of days is ordained, lest they forget the feasts of the covenant and walk according to the feasts of the Gentiles after their error and after their ignorance.



**TAKE NOTE!**
For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon -how (it) disturbs the seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.


For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the order), and make an abominable (day) the day of testimony, and an unclean day a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the holy with the unclean, and the unclean day with the holy; for they will go wrong as to the months and sabbaths and feasts and jubilees.


For this reason I command and testify to thee that thou mayst testify to them; for after thy death thy children will disturb (them), so that they will not make the year three hundred and sixty-four days only, and for this reason they will go wrong as to the new moons and seasons and sabbaths and festivals, and they will eat all kinds of blood with all kinds of flesh.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar




Let see why God gave moses and Enoch the instructions not to follow the moon? Here we see the same thing was expalined to Moses that the time will be off by 10 days

wikipedia
A lunar calendar is a calendar that is based on cycles of the lunar phase. Because there are about twelve lunations (synodic months) in a solar year, this period (354.37 days) is sometimes referred to as a lunar year.

A common purely lunar calendar is the Islamic calendar or Hijri Qamari calendar. A feature of the Islamic calendar is that a year is always 12 months, so the months are not linked with the seasons and drift each solar year by 11 to 12 days. It comes back to the position it had in relation to the solar year approximately every 33 Islamic years. It is used mainly for religious purposes, and in Saudi Arabia it is the official calendar. In other systems, a lunar calendar may include extra months added that synchronize it with the solar calendar


CONFIRMATION FROM THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS CONFIRMING ENOCH AND MOSES ARE CORRECT.
ISRAEL WENT ASTRAY FROM THIS AND THEY WERE WARNED NOT TO FOLLOW THE WAY OF THE GENTILES AND DEALT WITH THE MOON

The group of sectarian scholars who stored the manuscripts in the Qumran Caves were an apocalyptic group who defined their own rules and sets of behaviors apart from mainstream Jewish life as defined by the Temple at Jerusalem. While this group describes themselves as the 'Sons of Zadok' in the scrolls, scholars for the most part believe this sect to have been the Essenes, one of three main schools of philosophy in the Hebrew religion at the time (the others are Pharisees and Sadducees). Observing holy days is an important pillar of daily life in any religion, and the calendar of religious festivals was an important difference between the sect of the scrolls and that of mainstream Judaism.

This document provides a record of the Sabbaths, first days of the months, and the festivals of the Dead Sea sect by priestly division and according to the solar calendar. The Dead Sea sect used a solar calendar of 364 days in the year thus the sectarian calendars were six years long rather than one. The solar calendar stood against the more popular 354 day lunar calendar used in the Temple. This lunar model was victorious in the calendar wars of the period and is still the form used by normative Judaism to this very day. Parchment, Hebrew language, written 1st century B.C.E.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


I AM WAKING UP MY PEOPLE YOU CAN FIGHT IT BUT IT IS TIME TO WAKE UP


The Enoch Calender is shown in the 1st Book Of Enoch and was given by the Angel Uriel (YahEl), and is the original Priestly Calendar that was used in the Torah. The Enoch Calendar is a 12-Month Solar Calendar having 364 Days Only, and it was used by the antediluvian patriarchs and by Noah, Abraham, and Jacob.

It was taught to Moses by the Angel Of God and it continued in effect through the 2nd Temple period under Ezra and Nehemiah. It was the official Hebrew calendar until the 2nd Century BCE, when King Antiochus IV ended the use of the Enoch Calendar and forced the Hebrew people (sons of Eber/Heber) to observe the Lunar Calendar.


The New Moon Calendar was the official calendar of the Greeks, and when "Alexander the Great" conquered the middle east at the end of the 4th century BCE, the Lunar Calendar was introduced and was gradually accepted by most of the people, except for the Hebrew people.


By 167 BCE, King Antiochus IV gave orders to Jerusalem's High Priest Menelaus to completely Hellenize the Jews and abandon the Enoch Calender in favor of the New Moon Calendar. King Antiochus banned the Hebrew religion and prohibited all religious practices. He sent a Senator from Athens to give the Hebrew people an ultimatum, to forsake the Laws of their God Yah and follow the Kings orders or to be put to death, so most of the Hebrew people followed the Kings orders to save their families, and many were put to death.

King Antiochus forced the Hebrew people to celebrate the "Birthday of the Moon" every month, at the time of the visible crescent, and he ordered them to worship his god Zeus.
When he dedicated the Temple in Jerusalem to Zeus, the Lord of Heaven (Baal Shamen), and began sacrificing swine and making abominable offerings on the altar, this began the Maccabean revolt (1 Maccabees 1:41-64 & 2 Maccabees 6:1-11).

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Please, just don't become like the Pharisees! Keep your eyes on Jesus and don't swallow camels while straining at gnats. :/ It's not about saying names the right way, or observing days/times. If we go back to that then we'd may as well become Jews!

"I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father but by Me."
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iron sharpens iron man we are just guys presenting info, the modern church runs from all these issues

i am just gonna agree to disagree he is wrong in my opinion i presented my position

i cant judge him on when he does the sabbath but it is based on the new moon according to the scriptures that i have posted and makes perfect sense
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Please, just don't become like the Pharisees! Keep your eyes on Jesus and don't swallow camels while straining at gnats. :/ It's not about saying names the right way, or observing days/times. If we go back to that then we'd may as well become Jews!

"I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father but by Me."
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iron sharpens iron man we are just guys presenting info, the modern church runs from all these issues

i am just gonna agree to disagree he is wrong in my opinion i presented my position

i cant judge him on when he does the sabbath but it is based on the new moon according to the scriptures that i have posted and makes perfect sense
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new moon is the beginning of a new month it has nothing to do with the moon that shines .This is common sense and is expalined in your bible.But there are those who the father will let hear the truth and others will walk according to thier own wisdom
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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And all the children of Israel will forget and will not find the path of the years, and will forget the new moons, and seasons, and sabbaths and they will go wrong as to all the order of the years.

For I know and from henceforth will I declare it unto thee, and it is not of my own devising; for the book (lies) written before me, and on the heavenly tablets the division of days is ordained, lest they forget the feasts of the covenant and walk according to the feasts of the Gentiles after their error and after their ignorance.

For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon -how (it) disturbs the seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.

For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the order), and make an abominable (day) the day of testimony, and an unclean day a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the holy with the unclean, and the unclean day with the holy; for they will go wrong as to the months and sabbaths and feasts and jubilees.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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YES THEY USED A LUNAR CALENDAR BUT THE WEEKLY SHABBATH WAS NOT DETERMIENED BY THE SIGHTING OF A NEWMOON IS THE BEGINNING OF A NEW MONTH! lol

Until you get this you will be in error!
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What would be the purpose of the new months otherwise than begin the counting of the days anew?
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For this reason I command and testify to thee that thou mayst testify to them; for after thy death thy children will disturb (them), so that they will not make the year three hundred and sixty-four days only, and for this reason they will go wrong as to the new moons and seasons and sabbaths and festivals, and they will eat all kinds of blood with all kinds of flesh.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Shabbat is when you recognize your divine self and submit to it, then you live in eternal shabbat,heaven.
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And all the children of Israel will forget and will not find the path of the years, and will forget the new moons, and seasons, and sabbaths and they will go wrong as to all the order of the years.

For I know and from henceforth will I declare it unto thee, and it is not of my own devising; for the book (lies) written before me, and on the heavenly tablets the division of days is ordained, lest they forget the feasts of the covenant and walk according to the feasts of the Gentiles after their error and after their ignorance.

For there will be those who will assuredly make observations of the moon -how (it) disturbs the seasons and comes in from year to year ten days too soon.

For this reason the years will come upon them when they will disturb (the order), and make an abominable (day) the day of testimony, and an unclean day a feast day, and they will confound all the days, the holy with the unclean, and the unclean day with the holy; for they will go wrong as to the months and sabbaths and feasts and jubilees.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar



And look at how masterfully the church has orchestrated a falling away from His day. Never mind the true Sabbath, might you come to our house on Sunday, and let us spoon feed you our ideas.

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But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.

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