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HOW TO DEAL WITH THE MENTALLY ILL IN A FREE SOCIETY?

 
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I have friends who run a medical clinic and have stories at least once a week, feeling really upset and totally stressed out, telling me about the people that come in asking for help.

And they have to turn them away because they just do not have the resources. Knowing that the person is right on the edge.

They need government funding for that specific problem. But it has to be federal, because this state is very poor.
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So lately there has been a lot of talk because of the recent shootings about the mentally ill and the mentally ill having access to firearms.

I have heard many pundits, many glpers, many everyday people talking about this, yet no one really has any solutions.

I make this thread under the assumption we all or at least most of us wish to live in a free society. With that said, how in a free society do we prevent or lower the chances of a mentally ill person obtaining a firearm? We can't go around involuntarily committing people we "suspect" may be mentally unstable.

Plus it starts to get shaky when we try and define mentally unstable and who should define this? Plus the meds we give the mentally ill generally have negative psychological effects. Potentially making a bad situation worse.

Is there a way to tackle this problem without violating peoples civil rights? Without doping everyone we suspect to be mentally ill into a drug induced coma? Also without restricting gun rights?

What do you all think?
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My solution: Tard Islands. The US has a lot of Islands and a lot of tards. Sprinkle the Tards out in the florida keys and blow up the bridges connecting to mainland.
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We did that once, it is known as Australia.
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And we will do it again, with a libtard island.

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If all libtards were put on an island they would be extinct within 10 years due to AIDS and abortions.
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this is how programming works. Why is nobody thinking about the obvious? MINERAL AND VITAMIN DEFICIENCY

tools are not the problem, man is. If man had to fight hand to hand, or if everybody had to go through gun training and was obligated to carry things would be different.

this is about selling drugs, not saving lives
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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this is how programming works. Why is nobody thinking about the obvious? MINERAL AND VITAMIN DEFICIENCY

tools are not the problem, man is. If man had to fight hand to hand, or if everybody had to go through gun training and was obligated to carry things would be different.

this is about selling drugs, not saving lives
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THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It all goes back to pushing the drugs
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If all libtards were put on an island they would be extinct within 10 weeks due to AIDS, abortions, laziness, criminal psychopathology, and suicide.
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Fixed.

cheers
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Shit I missed alot of good points
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So lately there has been a lot of talk because of the recent shootings about the mentally ill and the mentally ill having access to firearms.

I have heard many pundits, many glpers, many everyday people talking about this, yet no one really has any solutions.

I make this thread under the assumption we all or at least most of us wish to live in a free society. With that said, how in a free society do we prevent or lower the chances of a mentally ill person obtaining a firearm? We can't go around involuntarily committing people we "suspect" may be mentally unstable.

Plus it starts to get shaky when we try and define mentally unstable and who should define this? Plus the meds we give the mentally ill generally have negative psychological effects. Potentially making a bad situation worse.

Is there a way to tackle this problem without violating peoples civil rights? Without doping everyone we suspect to be mentally ill into a drug induced coma? Also without restricting gun rights?

What do you all think?
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


The big problem with what you're pondering is you first have to have the free society you reference. I can't think of one that exists on this planet so there goes that concern.
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My opinion is that the suspected mental case should have to have demonstrated irrationally violent/deadly behavior before any action is taken to deny them their right to keep and bare arms. Otherwise you're getting into "pre-crime" territory.
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Exactly, it's such a complex subject. How to approach it without taking rights away, or getting into pre crime territory.
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Well, if you apply the same principle of innocent before proven guilty it doesn't have to be that complicated. This is however, why principles aren't always easy to have. In America, we chose a long time ago to risk that some bad guys would go free rather than wrongly punishing one innocent one. I'm not saing that nut cases are neccesarily bad guys. They can't help it, but To live in a truely free society, you have to accept that bad things are going to happen sometimes. You have to be free enough to commit the crime before you are arrested for it. That's why cops most just respond to crime that has already happened.

We have made it complicated with phycho meds. It would be prudent and responsible to be very careful about psycho meds and the people who are on them. The meds are just as bad or worse than the alleged mental disorders they are supposed to treat. We over prescribe meds that affect different people differently and to treat people who should simply be taught how to deal with their own situations. Those meds would calm one person and excite another. All that needs to change for the switch to flip could simply be diet or stress and boom, you've got a drugged out killer.
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This is a difficult subject, especially since the role of the government has changed so much over the years.

In a truly free society (as this country was supposed to be), there is no government intervention until a person violates another person's life, liberty, or property.

If anyone does violate another's life, liberty, or property, then the offender is punished by the government (assuming they're found guilty in the legal process).

The government's role should not include mental assessments, rehabilitation, job training, etc. Their role is to punish the guilty.

Private organizations (whether for-profit, charitable, religious, etc.) are the ones that would provide rehabilitation services.

Again, I'm referring to what this country is supposed to be - you keep all the money your earn, you don't pay property taxes, the government is funded through tariffs, and the government doesn't interfere with you unless you commit an actual crime (violation of life, liberty, or property). In this example, religious and other charitable organizations would be even better funded than they are now and would probably be able to provide the necessary services to help mentally-ill people.

No system is perfect, but I'd rather have liberty than the nanny-state that we have now.
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HOW TO DEAL WITH THE MENTALLY ILL IN A FREE SOCIETY?
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Throw them all out of office.
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Well the society today is what generates the sickness. It is cancerous and if you want a solution there you have it the society and it's basics need to change. Aside from junk food the people's minds are filled with junk all the time.

Cutting the temporary won't change a thing. You need to cure the core.
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So lately there has been a lot of talk because of the recent shootings about the mentally ill and the mentally ill having access to firearms.

I have heard many pundits, many glpers, many everyday people talking about this, yet no one really has any solutions.

I make this thread under the assumption we all or at least most of us wish to live in a free society. With that said, how in a free society do we prevent or lower the chances of a mentally ill person obtaining a firearm? We can't go around involuntarily committing people we "suspect" may be mentally unstable.

Plus it starts to get shaky when we try and define mentally unstable and who should define this? Plus the meds we give the mentally ill generally have negative psychological effects. Potentially making a bad situation worse.

Is there a way to tackle this problem without violating peoples civil rights? Without doping everyone we suspect to be mentally ill into a drug induced coma? Also without restricting gun rights?

What do you all think?
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Just to mention a "Free Society" in this world you are saying help me and you live in an illusion-self induced...
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It's DEMONS folks! They get in by sin, curses on ancestors, abuse, and some just come cause they want you. NOT MENTAL ILLNESS for the most part.

yoda
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Well the society today is what generates the sickness. It is cancerous and if you want a solution there you have it the society and it's basics need to change. Aside from junk food the people's minds are filled with junk all the time.

Cutting the temporary won't change a thing. You need to cure the core.
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YES, sexual abuse, alcoholism, drugs, porn, incest, theft, satanic stuff, evil movies, etv. let in the demons.

Maybe we all need an exorcism every 6 months or so...
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mental illness is acidity enhancing the frequency of lower form. Function is hindered by lack of oxygen. Basically you freak because you clench, you tense and you don't think anymore but quick reference your programing.

Fear porn...

We all know that shit ain't right, this is why they keep repeating the subversion key words. The problem is that secrets are not hidden anymore, but just disregarded. They know that they cannot disprove, They will simply use RULES for radicals. Mock, kick the can, blame others, and use harmonics like a certain tone that they speak in or such.

The possession occurs when you are so out of balance between your ego, id and such that fantasy becomes reality. The only truth is this, we don't know shit

hell is just not being able to kick the can. Some people manifest it in mental illness, but that is just a label because it is dismissive and does not deal with the cause. Too many synthetics...
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So lately there has been a lot of talk because of the recent shootings about the mentally ill and the mentally ill having access to firearms.

I have heard many pundits, many glpers, many everyday people talking about this, yet no one really has any solutions.

I make this thread under the assumption we all or at least most of us wish to live in a free society. With that said, how in a free society do we prevent or lower the chances of a mentally ill person obtaining a firearm? We can't go around involuntarily committing people we "suspect" may be mentally unstable.

Plus it starts to get shaky when we try and define mentally unstable and who should define this? Plus the meds we give the mentally ill generally have negative psychological effects. Potentially making a bad situation worse.

Is there a way to tackle this problem without violating peoples civil rights? Without doping everyone we suspect to be mentally ill into a drug induced coma? Also without restricting gun rights?

What do you all think?
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


If everyone was armed, and the equivalent of a roving "Castle doctrine" was universal, the aggressive in society would be exterminated within a week via attrition, and there would be no centralized repository of unarmed victims waiting to be massacred.
 Quoting: Professor Xavier


Why do your "solutions" always involve killing people?
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I work with a lot of mentally ill kids. Almost all of them had mothers taking prescription or illegal drugs during pregnancy. You want a crazy kid? Meth, antidepressants, etc. If you want to cut down on the number of crazies, you've got to stop the drug issue.
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It's DEMONS folks! They get in by sin, curses on ancestors, abuse, and some just come cause they want you. NOT MENTAL ILLNESS for the most part.

yoda
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You are correct, however, in a free society, people can believe whatever they want. So, secular medicine and therapy would still be needed for those who don't believe the Truth.
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let them be free since most mental disease is caused by psychological trauma in their enviroment
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BUMP

and at least if the gov't wouldn't genetically ALTER and POISON us so fricking much..

there wouldn't be THAT big of a "mental illness"

cause the mental illness in America.. is the BRAIN DAMAGE caused by VACCINES/FLUORIDE/GMOs/CHEMTRAILS and more!
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I work with a lot of mentally ill kids. Almost all of them had mothers taking prescription or illegal drugs during pregnancy. You want a crazy kid? Meth, antidepressants, etc. If you want to cut down on the number of crazies, you've got to stop the drug issue.
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people do not understand the consequence of not dealing with your fears head on. They don't go away, they become your manifestation, children or whatever you touch
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I suffer from mental illness the cause of it is the fact that this world and its inhabitants are fucked. I was born in shackles and I will die in shackles the sad thing is that I could take them off but then I would no longer be accepted by my peers and I could not be with young children. There is nothing wrong with my mentallity there is something wrong with our society.
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I suffer from mental illness the cause of it is the fact that this world and its inhabitants are fucked. I was born in shackles and I will die in shackles the sad thing is that I could take them off but then I would no longer be accepted by my peers and I could not be with young children. There is nothing wrong with my mentallity there is something wrong with our society.
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stop associating with the construct. You get to write your own contract this time because your journey was about suffrage. Stop speaking in absolutes or you will manifest them.

Society does not THINK anymore, they quick reference and steal from the experience of others. This is the issue and why mental disorder is so. NOTHING is doing what it should be at this point and the illusion has way too many possibilities to consider so they drug you and control you by frequency manipulation. IT is all spectrum manipulation based on principles of STATICS...
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So lately there has been a lot of talk because of the recent shootings about the mentally ill and the mentally ill having access to firearms.

I have heard many pundits, many glpers, many everyday people talking about this, yet no one really has any solutions.

I make this thread under the assumption we all or at least most of us wish to live in a free society. With that said, how in a free society do we prevent or lower the chances of a mentally ill person obtaining a firearm? We can't go around involuntarily committing people we "suspect" may be mentally unstable.

Plus it starts to get shaky when we try and define mentally unstable and who should define this? Plus the meds we give the mentally ill generally have negative psychological effects. Potentially making a bad situation worse.

Is there a way to tackle this problem without violating peoples civil rights? Without doping everyone we suspect to be mentally ill into a drug induced coma? Also without restricting gun rights?

What do you all think?
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


My dear children the chronological definition of being mentally ill are the western and Asiatic people's culture.
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everyone is mentally ill these days.
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Yes true and if it goes by the doctors and pharma we would all be swallowing happy pills.

And to the question of OP yes set em free most people know whats best for em and pushing em into a society pattern makes em ill, take this job, marry this man, be productive, do this, do that.

No wonder people go nuts.

And most of the time the mental ill show us what is possible autism is the best example, they can be math genius, or artists, when they are left alone.
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OP it’s almost a trick question….Not your fault OP let me point it out.

How many military suicides are there right now, how many Police Officers go in for counseling because of on the job stress.

Every single person has good days and bad days, good weeks and bad weeks, good months and bad months, good years and bad years, it is human nature.



There is no “Public school system” style zero tolerance answer.



It is up to you and I, friends and neighbors, people who care.

The truth is a man with an addenda and sealed lips is unstoppable; this is why two or more people who conspire to do evil can be a life in jail because they should always be able to pull it off, guns or no guns look back 3000+ years and it has always been true.

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I truly believe that all physical and mental problems can be ameliorated through education/therapy and propper nutrition.
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let them be free since most mental disease is caused by psychological trauma in their enviroment
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This.


People are lied to and fucked over from day one. The pain machine breaks people down, using their degradation to justify further degradation.

Solving the Gordian Knot is both very easy, and very hard.
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