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HOW TO DEAL WITH THE MENTALLY ILL IN A FREE SOCIETY?

 
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how do you define mentally ill?according to the new DSM we are all mentally ill.
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Yea, I touched on that in the OP, that is a huge issue.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Seems like an intelligent and caring thread, OP, thank you.
Drugs only as a short-term solution, if at all, say "no" to electroshock therapy.

I know of about 7 spirit/soul modalities that have a lot of support and websites. Let's start with EFT, and then make aware of different choices of protocols to help one address whatever ails them.

For more advanced practitioners there is "Polar Dynamics", and "The Resolution of Mind". Mind benders.

I have resolved childhood traumas (still ongoing though)
and currently use the modality of "Root Healing".

If one is mostly "in their head" and not comfortable with clearing out emotions, then Root Healing is workable and brings much relief for brainiacs. The more popular Sedona Method course also addresses emotions.

The more busy the mind, the more addled one is.

How will you help yourself and others learn how to forever quiet the mind?
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let them be free since most mental disease is caused by psychological trauma in their enviroment
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This.


People are lied to and fucked over from day one. The pain machine breaks people down, using their degradation to justify further degradation.

Solving the Gordian Knot is both very easy, and very hard.
 Quoting: NonAlignedEntity


Degradation is a negative valued goal within the goals matrix of "To Enhance". Run "To Enhance" per Dennis Stephens' "The Resolution of Mind", using his Level 4 process.

Even Buddha had to use processes to attain to the more refined mind/no mind states. The way to Nirvana is not
to be good, nice, loving, etc. -- that is the result of
the processes. There are many over the internet.

I currently work with a coach in Malaysia (over skype)
to sort out previously hidden childhood --ahem-- "adventures".

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how do you define mentally ill?according to the new DSM we are all mentally ill.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15988211


Yea, I touched on that in the OP, that is a huge issue.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Seems like an intelligent and caring thread, OP, thank you.
Drugs only as a short-term solution, if at all, say "no" to electroshock therapy.

I know of about 7 spirit/soul modalities that have a lot of support and websites. Let's start with EFT, and then make aware of different choices of protocols to help one address whatever ails them.

For more advanced practitioners there is "Polar Dynamics", and "The Resolution of Mind". Mind benders.

I have resolved childhood traumas (still ongoing though)
and currently use the modality of "Root Healing".

If one is mostly "in their head" and not comfortable with clearing out emotions, then Root Healing is workable and brings much relief for brainiacs. The more popular Sedona Method course also addresses emotions.

The more busy the mind, the more addled one is.

How will you help yourself and others learn how to forever quiet the mind?

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this is aligning higher and lower body to be on one accord. The construct only scares you wen you cannot stop collecting on your displacements. You cannot just be in the convenience of your creation unless you put time, enery, thought effort and SHIELDS up. The shielding is important. you have to apply math and science of frequency manipulation in the thought process otherwise you just keep the displaced energy of weaker beings that do not want to face the music. We all face it at some point

I prefer Steely dan :)
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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I truly believe that all physical and mental problems can be ameliorated through education/therapy and propper nutrition.
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Yup.
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Help the mentally ill who desire, to become independent from (versus dependent) on their families, who are often a deep part of the problem. They need to be able to get away from a family who might be contributing to their madness. I don't know, secluded cabins with people to help if they want and a little job to do to cover costs or something...
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But wouldn't they need supervision at this "camp"?

Same as being under the care of their families.
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I'm sorry...I need to clarify. I personally believe that there are many mentally ill people who are basically coming from very dysfunctional families who pretty much gaslight them, or drive them crazy....or, when they are crazy, keep them crazy. I know that is an unpopular theory, but I've seen this dynamic personally. A family might not even mean to harm a person, but people labelled "mentally ill" are often extremely sensitive, and their family could be causing problems. They need to be free of that dynamic to heal.

Pharma companies don't want to "go there", because their bread and butter is that all illness is based in the brain, for instance...the set up organizations to support families that pretty much reassure families it's all in the "mentally ill" person's head.
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My opinion is that the suspected mental case should have to have demonstrated irrationally violent/deadly behavior before any action is taken to deny them their right to keep and bare arms. Otherwise you're getting into "pre-crime" territory.
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I agree with these two.

But, what is really a concern for society are personality disorders -like psychopathic, antisocial, narcissistic- and the rise in those is a result of society and the turn it has taken, so the problem, in my opinion is that society has gone wrong.
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So lately there has been a lot of talk because of the recent shootings about the mentally ill and the mentally ill having access to firearms.

I have heard many pundits, many glpers, many everyday people talking about this, yet no one really has any solutions.

I make this thread under the assumption we all or at least most of us wish to live in a free society. With that said, how in a free society do we prevent or lower the chances of a mentally ill person obtaining a firearm? We can't go around involuntarily committing people we "suspect" may be mentally unstable.

Plus it starts to get shaky when we try and define mentally unstable and who should define this? Plus the meds we give the mentally ill generally have negative psychological effects. Potentially making a bad situation worse.

Is there a way to tackle this problem without violating peoples civil rights? Without doping everyone we suspect to be mentally ill into a drug induced coma? Also without restricting gun rights?

What do you all think?
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*

Dr Szasz on mental illness
[link to www.youtube.com]

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Have'em come to GLP.

We shall "rehabilitate" them

scheming
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lol, or most come from here...
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


It's the chicken or egg dilemma.

Which came first - GLP or the mentally ill?
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes


One may have exacerbated the other.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


I didn't get crazier when I started using GLP, but the voices in my head did, and angrier too. And now, when I try Rationalise that they're not really there, they call me a shill and a troll.
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Bane them.
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So lately there has been a lot of talk because of the recent shootings about the mentally ill and the mentally ill having access to firearms.

I have heard many pundits, many glpers, many everyday people talking about this, yet no one really has any solutions.

I make this thread under the assumption we all or at least most of us wish to live in a free society. With that said, how in a free society do we prevent or lower the chances of a mentally ill person obtaining a firearm? We can't go around involuntarily committing people we "suspect" may be mentally unstable.

Plus it starts to get shaky when we try and define mentally unstable and who should define this? Plus the meds we give the mentally ill generally have negative psychological effects. Potentially making a bad situation worse.

Is there a way to tackle this problem without violating peoples civil rights? Without doping everyone we suspect to be mentally ill into a drug induced coma? Also without restricting gun rights?

What do you all think?
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


The western and asiatic cultures have built an industrial complex
based on the mentally ill and criminal justice systems.. Thank for just a minute how many medical professions are there and countless fields dealing with the mentally ill, also in the criminal justice system: Judges, Lawyers, Police and prisons.

And you still do not see that there are western and asiatic culture problems. If you do true study and research of the cultures that live by nature's laws and in harmony with nature, you would know, even now that these people do not know what a jail or a mental hospital purpose is for.

This society we live in is truly unhealthy. Hotep and seek Maat... My Ra shine up you all.
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Compassion would work.

Does anyone remember compassion?
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Compassion would work.

Does anyone remember compassion?
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Beautiful.

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Compassion would work.

Does anyone remember compassion?
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Is that the thing that tells you if your going north,south,east,or west?
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Who is the judge of mental illness in a nation governed by megalomaniac narcissists?
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Who is the judge of mental illness in a nation governed by megalomaniac narcissists?
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according to our new government every human behavior is a mental illness.
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Who is the judge of mental illness in a nation governed by megalomaniac narcissists?
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according to our new government every human behavior is a mental illness.
 Quoting: Nlightened


Except their own. Typical sign of narcissism.

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politely ask the government not to use them for mass killing psyops?
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You MUST mean the parasitic politicians and Bammy !

Simple ; Good , strong rope !
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Who is the judge of mental illness in a nation governed by megalomaniac narcissists?
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according to our new government every human behavior is a mental illness.
 Quoting: Nlightened


The corrupt Obama government turns everything around.

Example? 1dunno1
Here is true mental illness.....

Fed Has Bought More U.S. Gov’t Debt This Year Than Treasury Has Issued
[link to cnsnews.com]

Think about that everyone. censored


Coming soon.......

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I work with a lot of mentally ill kids. Almost all of them had mothers taking prescription or illegal drugs during pregnancy. You want a crazy kid? Meth, antidepressants, etc. If you want to cut down on the number of crazies, you've got to stop the drug issue.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7570540


people do not understand the consequence of not dealing with your fears head on. They don't go away, they become your manifestation, children or whatever you touch
 Quoting: acegotflows


Listen to what you are saying! The drugs let demons into the women, the kids inherited them! Fear may have led the woman to drugs, but the drugs got her a demon which was passed on to her kids!

My relative is psych doctor, she says no kids are ever cured! Only medicated and managed.

Jesus said to cast the demons out!

Here is one more:

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Who is the judge of mental illness in a nation governed by megalomaniac narcissists?
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according to our new government every human behavior is a mental illness.
 Quoting: Nlightened


The corrupt Obama government turns everything around.

Example? 1dunno1
Here is true mental illness.....

Fed Has Bought More U.S. Gov’t Debt This Year Than Treasury Has Issued
[link to cnsnews.com]


Coming soon.......

abathens
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OMG.. Those are great cocktails....
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how do you define mentally ill?according to the new DSM we are all mentally ill.
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This is some scary shit! The shrinks have finally gotten their wet dream in print: "there is no such thing as normal and anyone can be tagged with a looney label."

But that's not enough, since the vast majority of these mental conditions would not result in involuntary confinement.

The gun grabbers would have ANYONE who has EVER taken any kind of medication for stress, depression, anxiety, etc in their whole lifetime be banned from gun ownership.

The politicians and 'important' people would be exempt, as usual.

Last Edited by Ralph--a house dog on 02/07/2013 10:19 PM
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how do you define mentally ill?according to the new DSM we are all mentally ill.
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This is some scary shit! The shrinks have finally gotten their wet dream in print: "there is no such thing as normal and anyone can be tagged with a looney label."

But that's not enough, since the vast majority of these mental conditions would not result in involuntary confinement.

The gun grabbers would have ANYONE who has EVER taken any kind of medication for stress, depression, anxiety, etc in their whole lifetime be banned from gun ownership.

The politicians and 'important' people would be exempt, as usual.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


No need to take away their guns, just get them an exorcism.

yoda
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Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Symptoms

1. They have an exaggerated view of their achievements and talents; there is absolutely no limit to their sense of self-importance.
"The economy is recovering, jobs are being created."

2. They are constantly preoccupied with fantasies of beauty, ideal love, power, brilliance, and even unlimited success.
“Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.”

3. They think and believe that they alone are special and unique, and that they must be given an opportunity to interact with people of high-status and special institutions.

Elite? New World Order?

4. Lacks empathy; is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.

Elite?
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..well we have a problem with the fact that Psychology is an academic and applied discipline..not a science. Yet we allow it to be given science standing to often. You and I can see a poor soul standing in the middle of the street,talking to his invisible friends/tormentors and agree we cannot allow him to be a danger to himself or others. We could also agree that he needs to housed,fed.."treated" ( I know that creeps me out also)...I know the horrors of meds and other treatments..I also know of great success for others. That's why it's a odd pseudo science. We cannot, for humane reason alone, allow the mentally ill to starve and live a hellish life nor can we lock up oddballs. There is a unknown percentage we can help lead a independent life and some need to be housed. It should be a legal proceeding, open to the public with the PERSON's best interest at the heart of the proceeding. This will cost money,however we pay a great price now in petty crime, drug overdoses and unpaid hospital stays etc etc. The crazy cat lady is not a concern. The crazy lady eating cats is.
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Liquid THC should help them
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Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Symptoms

1. They have an exaggerated view of their achievements and talents; there is absolutely no limit to their sense of self-importance.
"The economy is recovering, jobs are being created."

2. They are constantly preoccupied with fantasies of beauty, ideal love, power, brilliance, and even unlimited success.
“Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.”

3. They think and believe that they alone are special and unique, and that they must be given an opportunity to interact with people of high-status and special institutions.

Elite? New World Order?

4. Lacks empathy; is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.

Elite?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33768594


the Idea of Time has not caught up to the visions and ideas of a select few. What is perceived as an illusion of insanity can and does become every day life.
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everyone is mentally ill by new standards so be careful what rights you dream of taking away from people labelled mentally ill. soon it will be used to make sure nobody can have a gun or any other right. you never want to let the government take someone's rights away based on some arbitrarily decided condition with the exception of those who do violent harm to your property or your person. if you commit real crime (damage of person or property/theft) then you get removed from the populace regardless of your mental state.
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Narcissistic Personality Disorder: Symptoms

1. They have an exaggerated view of their achievements and talents; there is absolutely no limit to their sense of self-importance.
"The economy is recovering, jobs are being created."

2. They are constantly preoccupied with fantasies of beauty, ideal love, power, brilliance, and even unlimited success.
“Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we’ve been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.”

3. They think and believe that they alone are special and unique, and that they must be given an opportunity to interact with people of high-status and special institutions.

Elite? New World Order?

4. Lacks empathy; is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others.

Elite?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33768594


the Idea of Time has not caught up to the visions and ideas of a select few. What is perceived as an illusion of insanity can and does become every day life.
 Quoting: Nlightened


delusion is simply speaking from a point of reference that no longer cares to be confirmed. This is a beautiful thing when used properly because it becomes alchemy. The issue lies in not living in this energy but trying to go to in as needed while still maintaining the illusion of being here

Some of us simply are both places at the same time and can do it while awake. Otherwise you do it in your sleep...
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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AC 33768594,

Bravo.

Keep up the good fight.
I'm trying too.

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