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The Greatest Purveyor Of Evil In The World Is The Indifference And Apathy Of Good People

 
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I'm going to have to disagree here. To me, it's all about balance.

Be both light and dark but identify with neither.

Because that is the truth.

Without dark, there is no light.
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I am so tired of this sophmoric New Age idiocy.

"All is equal, light and dark."

Did you EVER think for a moment that dark doesn't play fair? That dark runs with scissors? THAT DARK IS IMBALANCE?

How, exacctly, do balance light and dark, when light IS balance, and dark IS imbalance?

Do you drooling iddiots EVER think for yourselves? Do you EVER look up from your doobie and your stupid platitudes and your fucking daisies in your fucking hair and think about the fact that THE PURPOSE OF GOOD IS TO FIGHT EVIL?

You want to be a zen master? Get the fuck out of here and go live in a monastery. In the real world, you moral fucking coward, you have to choose - light OR dark. Because while you're "embracing opposites," you're blocking light from getting a clear shot at darkness, while darkness is cutting a victim's throat.

GOD DAMN LIBERALS.
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My friend, while I agree with the spirit of what you have said here, I caution you to keep your anger in check. Do not become that which so angers you, because when that happens, when that rage overcomes you, the pain you feel now will pale in comparison to the regret you feel afterward. Continue to resist this evil presence, but please, do not become it in the process.
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It is only evil that blames evil on good people. Wake up people, don't let evil blame you for its actions.
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I did not blame the acts of evil on good people, I said that it is dangerous for good people to be indifferent to the acts of evil by others. To blame evil on good people is nonsensical, but for those same good people to do nothing in the face of evil, that is heartbreaking.
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Evil is easy to spot today, of that fact there is no doubt. From the genocide occurring in Syria to the worldwide victims of human trafficking and rape, examples of evil are never short in supply, abundance, and severity. However, this evil does not occur in a vacuum of indicators, causes, and pain - it occurs solely on the grounds that the good people in this world who know it is wrong choose to do nothing about it. It is this lack of concern and utter complacency that has led to the culture of corruption, immorality, violence, and death we see today.

Many will claim that there is nothing that can be done, that the way the world works is beyond their individual or collective ability to affect it. On the surface, this may seem accurate, but it ignores the incredible examples of individuals, lone people in history that have made an amazing and lasting impact on the world. These are people like Mahatma Ghandi, Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King, and countless others who chose to be the change instead of continuing to regret the sadness of reality.

We cannot count on political leaders and those in power to make this happen for us, they are too far gone in their aspirations and ambitions to care about the state of the world, least of all the benefit of others. We must do this, all of us, no matter where you come from, what you do for work, or what your political or religious leanings may be. We can help to bring about real change by our actions, by our own example. You can be an inspiration to others if you want to, and when you can bring hope to someone who would not have had it otherwise, you become a hero.
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But in Satan's world, when you stand up against evil, you get crushed. Just like grape.
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If you are justified in your grievance, and your own heart is pure in intention and purpose, no evil to include satan himself has any power over you. What the evil ones hold dear is not what you hold dear, and for them to take those things away from you is not getting crushed, it is liberating.
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MLK = adulterer (not such a good example, imho)

ghandi, apparently also an adulterer and have seen in some places possibly a pedophile ..... plus he gave into paki muslims. not good.
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Nooo, say it isn't so? Whatcha got on Mother T? I suppose as long as you don't tell me they were crazy reptilians looshing our fear or implanting/mind controlling victims or shooting down innocents with drones or allowing the food chain to be poisoned or....... I'll have to leave it up to the Creator/Force to place too much judgement on that,,,


So to Summarize,

Even flawed people, can accomplish Amazing Things!!
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YES!!! Thank you for that - you are right on point, my friend :-)
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Two evils dont make a good. You do with your very thoughts.
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But two negatives, when multiplied, make a positive. Weird, huh!?
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Two evils dont make a good. You do with your very thoughts.
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But two negatives, when multiplied, make a positive. Weird, huh!?
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That is mathematics, and on the surface it does not make sense. If you have the time, I urge you to research the proof in elementary mathematics for why two negative numbers multiplied by each will always equal a positive number. You might be surprised...
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Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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MLK = adulterer (not such a good example, imho)

ghandi, apparently also an adulterer and have seen in some places possibly a pedophile ..... plus he gave into paki muslims. not good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29391465


Nooo, say it isn't so? Whatcha got on Mother T? I suppose as long as you don't tell me they were crazy reptilians looshing our fear or implanting/mind controlling victims or shooting down innocents with drones or allowing the food chain to be poisoned or....... I'll have to leave it up to the Creator/Force to place too much judgement on that,,,


So to Summarize,

Even flawed people, can accomplish Amazing Things!!
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YES!!! Thank you for that - you are right on point, my friend :-)
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You're welcome! You seem to have some readers that have heard about 'duality' being a lie?? -and some that are just sick of hearing about it:-) Have you heard such things? I am starting to imagine the 'line' of duality, pulling out on both sides from center (neutrality) and forming a diamond...but dimensional. Anyways, there is a grey, it's not black and white,, so maybe duality is just a flat concept?
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MLK = adulterer (not such a good example, imho)

ghandi, apparently also an adulterer and have seen in some places possibly a pedophile ..... plus he gave into paki muslims. not good.
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Lemme guess - Christard ?
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MLK = adulterer (not such a good example, imho)

ghandi, apparently also an adulterer and have seen in some places possibly a pedophile ..... plus he gave into paki muslims. not good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29391465


Nooo, say it isn't so? Whatcha got on Mother T? I suppose as long as you don't tell me they were crazy reptilians looshing our fear or implanting/mind controlling victims or shooting down innocents with drones or allowing the food chain to be poisoned or....... I'll have to leave it up to the Creator/Force to place too much judgement on that,,,


So to Summarize,

Even flawed people, can accomplish Amazing Things!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33826727


YES!!! Thank you for that - you are right on point, my friend :-)
 Quoting: Rising Son


You're welcome! You seem to have some readers that have heard about 'duality' being a lie?? -and some that are just sick of hearing about it:-) Have you heard such things? I am starting to imagine the 'line' of duality, pulling out on both sides from center (neutrality) and forming a diamond...but dimensional. Anyways, there is a grey, it's not black and white,, so maybe duality is just a flat concept?
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I think it is funny how people neglect the thoughts of past generations as outdated and inconsequential. When you consider that these people did not have all of the modern electronics and media to distract them, they only had their very lives to ponder these things, it is not too hard to imagine that they may have been on to something. Gray area is a very slippery slope, and it is also a work of deception. The color gray is blended black and white, however, if you look at gray paint under a microscope, you will still see very tiny specks of black and white. So the color gray is only a mixture of black and white that has become blurred, but the elements of the base paints are still there, as are the elements of good and evil.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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Evil is easy to spot today, of that fact there is no doubt. From the genocide occurring in Syria to the worldwide victims of human trafficking and rape, examples of evil are never short in supply, abundance, and severity. However, this evil does not occur in a vacuum of indicators, causes, and pain - it occurs solely on the grounds that the good people in this world who know it is wrong choose to do nothing about it. It is this lack of concern and utter complacency that has led to the culture of corruption, immorality, violence, and death we see today.

Many will claim that there is nothing that can be done, that the way the world works is beyond their individual or collective ability to affect it. On the surface, this may seem accurate, but it ignores the incredible examples of individuals, lone people in history that have made an amazing and lasting impact on the world. These are people like Mahatma Ghandi, Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King, and countless others who chose to be the change instead of continuing to regret the sadness of reality.

We cannot count on political leaders and those in power to make this happen for us, they are too far gone in their aspirations and ambitions to care about the state of the world, least of all the benefit of others. We must do this, all of us, no matter where you come from, what you do for work, or what your political or religious leanings may be. We can help to bring about real change by our actions, by our own example. You can be an inspiration to others if you want to, and when you can bring hope to someone who would not have had it otherwise, you become a hero.
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Syria... you do know that the syrian people were just fine...before the Center Intelegenz Agenzy and others made a move on syria.

You tell to combat evil, but the question that turns up is. Do scratch at the surface of the ward or do i take a sizzling hot needle and try to burn including its root!

Question that arises when considering the 2nd possibility is:"Where is the root of evil?"
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Interesting.

It could be more deception (no duality) or somewhat disrespect (to our ancestors) but it is difficult, isn't it? We have been lied to for so long...one wouldn't think such unworthy opponents (most of us) would need such intricate deceptions and constant bombardments (poison food, fear, war,etc)..... they have been hiding our Greatness!
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Evil is easy to spot today, of that fact there is no doubt. From the genocide occurring in Syria to the worldwide victims of human trafficking and rape, examples of evil are never short in supply, abundance, and severity. However, this evil does not occur in a vacuum of indicators, causes, and pain - it occurs solely on the grounds that the good people in this world who know it is wrong choose to do nothing about it. It is this lack of concern and utter complacency that has led to the culture of corruption, immorality, violence, and death we see today.

Many will claim that there is nothing that can be done, that the way the world works is beyond their individual or collective ability to affect it. On the surface, this may seem accurate, but it ignores the incredible examples of individuals, lone people in history that have made an amazing and lasting impact on the world. These are people like Mahatma Ghandi, Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King, and countless others who chose to be the change instead of continuing to regret the sadness of reality.

We cannot count on political leaders and those in power to make this happen for us, they are too far gone in their aspirations and ambitions to care about the state of the world, least of all the benefit of others. We must do this, all of us, no matter where you come from, what you do for work, or what your political or religious leanings may be. We can help to bring about real change by our actions, by our own example. You can be an inspiration to others if you want to, and when you can bring hope to someone who would not have had it otherwise, you become a hero.
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Syria... you do know that the syrian people were just fine...before the Center Intelegenz Agenzy and others made a move on syria.

You tell to combat evil, but the question that turns up is. Do scratch at the surface of the ward or do i take a sizzling hot needle and try to burn including its root!

Question that arises when considering the 2nd possibility is:"Where is the root of evil?"
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I think the language barrier is impeding my ability to understand your point, but I believe you are stating that what is happening in Syria is expressly the United States' fault. If you look at recent history and see what has transpired there, the US has had it's hand in much of what has happened in the Middle East. The question is what now? There is an enormous amount of death happening there, but there does not seem to be any country willing to intercede for the sake of life, to include America.
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I am not indifferent and apathetic.

I am Indignant and apoplectic.
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Interesting.

It could be more deception (no duality) or somewhat disrespect (to our ancestors) but it is difficult, isn't it? We have been lied to for so long...one wouldn't think such unworthy opponents (most of us) would need such intricate deceptions and constant bombardments (poison food, fear, war,etc)..... they have been hiding our Greatness!
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Be careful, the reason that we must combat evil is to protect that which is good, not to glorify ourselves. If you love your fellow brothers and sisters, if you love those around you, then you protect them out of love, not glory.
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I am not indifferent and apathetic.

I am Indignant and apoplectic.
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Well, then my question to you is what do you intend to do with the anger that is evident in your indignation and apoplectic emotions? Your anger will drive you to rage, and you will become just as evil as the evil you are angry at. Check your anger, and focus instead on your love for your fellow brothers and sisters.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

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Interesting.

It could be more deception (no duality) or somewhat disrespect (to our ancestors) but it is difficult, isn't it? We have been lied to for so long...one wouldn't think such unworthy opponents (most of us) would need such intricate deceptions and constant bombardments (poison food, fear, war,etc)..... they have been hiding our Greatness!
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Be careful, the reason that we must combat evil is to protect that which is good, not to glorify ourselves. If you love your fellow brothers and sisters, if you love those around you, then you protect them out of love, not glory.
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I can agree with that. Careful of what? Did I seem boastful, speaking of our greatness?

Don't you think that we are capable of much more? Maybe we can fly!!
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Interesting.

It could be more deception (no duality) or somewhat disrespect (to our ancestors) but it is difficult, isn't it? We have been lied to for so long...one wouldn't think such unworthy opponents (most of us) would need such intricate deceptions and constant bombardments (poison food, fear, war,etc)..... they have been hiding our Greatness!
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Be careful, the reason that we must combat evil is to protect that which is good, not to glorify ourselves. If you love your fellow brothers and sisters, if you love those around you, then you protect them out of love, not glory.
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I can agree with that. Careful of what? Did I seem boastful, speaking of our greatness?

Don't you think that we are capable of much more? Maybe we can fly!!
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I am sorry, I often seem to focus on what cautions me instead of what encourages me - I apologize for that. I focused in on the fact that you capitalized Greatness, and I thought that was for the reason of self-glorification, and not to emphasize the magnitude of the greatness that is possible. Thank you :-)
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Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.
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clappa


Some very encouraging words of wisdom here OP.

I used to say the same but unfortunately, experience in this world thought me that evil has a lot of help from much greater power than we think. There are things so absurd, i often wonder if this reality is not just a big cruel joke. The fact that so many of those awful things you mentioned are happening without anyone or anything being able to stop them just prove how powerless we are made to be not just because we want to but because we just can't.

Sometimes a great evil takes a long time to build up which make it unstoppable when it comes full fruition, yet you'd think we'd be able see the signs and prevent such evil from happening but it still happens. There are greater dark forces at work that are hindering the good forces. This is why you get the duality knee-jerk response.
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You have every reason to be pessimistic, and for that, I do not blame you in the least. Another one of the tricks that dark forces have been able to master is that of deception, and with a world so deceived, how can there be any good? You try not to fault people who are deceived, especially considering that we have all been deceived at one point or another, and continue to be.

I want to bring you hope, because I know there is much good in the world, and it is very strong. The difference is that goodness is not boastful, it is not arrogant, and it needs no validation from anyone. The proof of this is found in those who care for the sick and the needy, because they do not do it for any other reason other than because they love their brothers and sisters in this world. They are the ones who go unsung, but that is okay, because appreciation and fame do not sustain them, the love within them does.

There is a correction coming, call it judgment day or revelation or whatever you want, but I feel that it is close at hand, and we are experiencing the first events. Many believe this will happen with shock and awe, but I believe it will happen much less dramatically. The first and foremost impetus and focal point of this shift, this reckoning, is simply truth. If you believe what I am telling you, do not fret anymore - we are on the cusp of something amazing, I know this in my heart :-)
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hf hf hf

Well people like you gives me hope in humanity and the future. You don't just rely on prophetic defeatism, you go deeper at the source of the problem and thus the solution that it needs. We live in so much deception that it makes it impossible to see the light at the tunnel. Without truth and compassion there is no care for life so this correction coming must bring it.
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Interesting.

It could be more deception (no duality) or somewhat disrespect (to our ancestors) but it is difficult, isn't it? We have been lied to for so long...one wouldn't think such unworthy opponents (most of us) would need such intricate deceptions and constant bombardments (poison food, fear, war,etc)..... they have been hiding our Greatness!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33826727


Be careful, the reason that we must combat evil is to protect that which is good, not to glorify ourselves. If you love your fellow brothers and sisters, if you love those around you, then you protect them out of love, not glory.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I can agree with that. Careful of what? Did I seem boastful, speaking of our greatness?

Don't you think that we are capable of much more? Maybe we can fly!!
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I am sorry, I often seem to focus on what cautions me instead of what encourages me - I apologize for that. I focused in on the fact that you capitalized Greatness, and I thought that was for the reason of self-glorification, and not to emphasize the magnitude of the greatness that is possible. Thank you :-)
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TY, RS, just wanted to check myself, and whose thread I am reading... great thread!
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clappa


Some very encouraging words of wisdom here OP.

I used to say the same but unfortunately, experience in this world thought me that evil has a lot of help from much greater power than we think. There are things so absurd, i often wonder if this reality is not just a big cruel joke. The fact that so many of those awful things you mentioned are happening without anyone or anything being able to stop them just prove how powerless we are made to be not just because we want to but because we just can't.

Sometimes a great evil takes a long time to build up which make it unstoppable when it comes full fruition, yet you'd think we'd be able see the signs and prevent such evil from happening but it still happens. There are greater dark forces at work that are hindering the good forces. This is why you get the duality knee-jerk response.
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You have every reason to be pessimistic, and for that, I do not blame you in the least. Another one of the tricks that dark forces have been able to master is that of deception, and with a world so deceived, how can there be any good? You try not to fault people who are deceived, especially considering that we have all been deceived at one point or another, and continue to be.

I want to bring you hope, because I know there is much good in the world, and it is very strong. The difference is that goodness is not boastful, it is not arrogant, and it needs no validation from anyone. The proof of this is found in those who care for the sick and the needy, because they do not do it for any other reason other than because they love their brothers and sisters in this world. They are the ones who go unsung, but that is okay, because appreciation and fame do not sustain them, the love within them does.

There is a correction coming, call it judgment day or revelation or whatever you want, but I feel that it is close at hand, and we are experiencing the first events. Many believe this will happen with shock and awe, but I believe it will happen much less dramatically. The first and foremost impetus and focal point of this shift, this reckoning, is simply truth. If you believe what I am telling you, do not fret anymore - we are on the cusp of something amazing, I know this in my heart :-)
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hf hf hf

Well people like you gives me hope in humanity and the future. You don't just rely on prophetic defeatism, you go deeper at the source of the problem and thus the solution that it needs. We live in so much deception that it makes it impossible to see the light at the tunnel. Without truth and compassion there is no care for life so this correction coming must bring it.
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Thank you for being so kind in your words. For those that read the bible, it is understandable to think that the horrific images that are described in the book of Revelations are reason to dread our future, not welcome it. What many fail to see is that it was meant as a warning, those images were not meant for those that dwell within the light, they were meant for those that dwell within the darkness. If we have honesty, gratitude, and love within our hearts, then we have nothing to fear. We have every reason to have hope, excitement, and joy :-)
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I am not indifferent and apathetic.

I am Indignant and apoplectic.
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Well, then my question to you is what do you intend to do with the anger that is evident in your indignation and apoplectic emotions? Your anger will drive you to rage, and you will become just as evil as the evil you are angry at. Check your anger, and focus instead on your love for your fellow brothers and sisters.
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I get what you are saying, and no, you can't fight evil with evil. Although I would be lying if i said such thoughts never cross my mind.

I do sometimes contemplate love for my fellow man. I wonder if a person deserves my love just by virtue of being born human.

I think that part of the problem with society today is a lack of consequences for ones bad behavior. I don't mean legal consequences I mean social consequences. Maybe it is time to bring back good old fashion shunning
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I am not indifferent and apathetic.

I am Indignant and apoplectic.
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Well, then my question to you is what do you intend to do with the anger that is evident in your indignation and apoplectic emotions? Your anger will drive you to rage, and you will become just as evil as the evil you are angry at. Check your anger, and focus instead on your love for your fellow brothers and sisters.
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I get what you are saying, and no, you can't fight evil with evil. Although I would be lying if i said such thoughts never cross my mind.

I do sometimes contemplate love for my fellow man. I wonder if a person deserves my love just by virtue of being born human.

I think that part of the problem with society today is a lack of consequences for ones bad behavior. I don't mean legal consequences I mean social consequences. Maybe it is time to bring back good old fashion shunning
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You bring up excellent points. Our society is a macrocosm of us individually, and so if we as individuals decline in our morality, so does our society. What I will say is this: when you have witnessed an individual experience true humility by falling down because of their terrible actions and behavior, that experience gives you hope for our society. I have seen some of the most terrible individuals change after they have been humbled by their own failures. While it does not always happen, when it does, it is amazing to see the transformation that occurs.

However, those that have nothing divine that they hold dear, nothing of real importance that is something they wish to protect, then they have nothing to lose and they are truly sad and dangerous individuals. I have met a few people like this, and there is no doubt that they would rather experience death and the pain associated with it than experience any more of life. They are truly the unfortunates, but they have always had free will, and they made their choice.
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But the thing is RS, is that people haven't been completely free to choose. People have been being deceived for thousands of years.
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It is only evil that blames evil on good people. Wake up people, don't let evil blame you for its actions.
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I agree so much with the bolded.

For example:
Thread: Government given permission to experiment on innocent Citizens - Without their consent or knowledge!

It has not been a fair game a t'all.
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I am not indifferent and apathetic.

I am Indignant and apoplectic.
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Well, then my question to you is what do you intend to do with the anger that is evident in your indignation and apoplectic emotions? Your anger will drive you to rage, and you will become just as evil as the evil you are angry at. Check your anger, and focus instead on your love for your fellow brothers and sisters.
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I get what you are saying, and no, you can't fight evil with evil. Although I would be lying if i said such thoughts never cross my mind.

I do sometimes contemplate love for my fellow man. I wonder if a person deserves my love just by virtue of being born human.

I think that part of the problem with society today is a lack of consequences for ones bad behavior. I don't mean legal consequences I mean social consequences. Maybe it is time to bring back good old fashion shunning
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431110


You bring up excellent points. Our society is a macrocosm of us individually, and so if we as individuals decline in our morality, so does our society. What I will say is this: when you have witnessed an individual experience true humility by falling down because of their terrible actions and behavior, that experience gives you hope for our society. I have seen some of the most terrible individuals change after they have been humbled by their own failures. While it does not always happen, when it does, it is amazing to see the transformation that occurs.

However, those that have nothing divine that they hold dear, nothing of real importance that is something they wish to protect, then they have nothing to lose and they are truly sad and dangerous individuals. I have met a few people like this, and there is no doubt that they would rather experience death and the pain associated with it than experience any more of life. They are truly the unfortunates, but they have always had free will, and they made their choice.
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I would say that if a person has Honor then they always have something to lose. Unfortunately in todays world Honor has been replaced by pride and very few are truly Honorable. I don't even think I would count myself a Honorable, but I am working on it.

Back in the day, for a simple man or woman Honor was everything ...It's just not so anymore.
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But the thing is RS, is that people haven't been completely free to choose. People have been being deceived for thousands of years.
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I understand that, but there is a certain point when we allow ourselves to be deceived. It is that one point where our better nature, where our very conscience tells us that something isn't quite right. Free will has always been a choice between good and evil, but the choices have been camouflaged and manipulated to confuse us. However, when you look within your own heart, and you look into the eyes of what gives you pause, you will know what to do. Always follow your heart, never doubt it :-)
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Well, then my question to you is what do you intend to do with the anger that is evident in your indignation and apoplectic emotions? Your anger will drive you to rage, and you will become just as evil as the evil you are angry at. Check your anger, and focus instead on your love for your fellow brothers and sisters.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I get what you are saying, and no, you can't fight evil with evil. Although I would be lying if i said such thoughts never cross my mind.

I do sometimes contemplate love for my fellow man. I wonder if a person deserves my love just by virtue of being born human.

I think that part of the problem with society today is a lack of consequences for ones bad behavior. I don't mean legal consequences I mean social consequences. Maybe it is time to bring back good old fashion shunning
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431110


You bring up excellent points. Our society is a macrocosm of us individually, and so if we as individuals decline in our morality, so does our society. What I will say is this: when you have witnessed an individual experience true humility by falling down because of their terrible actions and behavior, that experience gives you hope for our society. I have seen some of the most terrible individuals change after they have been humbled by their own failures. While it does not always happen, when it does, it is amazing to see the transformation that occurs.

However, those that have nothing divine that they hold dear, nothing of real importance that is something they wish to protect, then they have nothing to lose and they are truly sad and dangerous individuals. I have met a few people like this, and there is no doubt that they would rather experience death and the pain associated with it than experience any more of life. They are truly the unfortunates, but they have always had free will, and they made their choice.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I would say that if a person has Honor then they always have something to lose. Unfortunately in todays world Honor has been replaced by pride and very few are truly Honorable. I don't even think I would count myself a Honorable, but I am working on it.

Back in the day, for a simple man or woman Honor was everything ...It's just not so anymore.
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That is a great point. I understand honor to be the concept of doing the right thing for the right reasons, despite the consequences, and regardless of the rewards. That is a tough way to be, but we should all be trying to attain that goal. Our example speaks much louder than our words, and so it is only achieved through it's application, but it is not impossible.
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But the thing is RS, is that people haven't been completely free to choose. People have been being deceived for thousands of years.
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I understand that, but there is a certain point when we allow ourselves to be deceived. It is that one point where our better nature, where our very conscience tells us that something isn't quite right. Free will has always been a choice between good and evil, but the choices have been camouflaged and manipulated to confuse us. However, when you look within your own heart, and you look into the eyes of what gives you pause, you will know what to do. Always follow your heart, never doubt it :-)
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The bolded is confusing me. I mean, the deception that I speak of is HUGE, not all crimes are equal...surely the point where we 'allow' ourselves to be victimized isn't either.

To say, a victim of murder, allowed it, by not acknowledging the little voice, telling them something wasn't right..... that would be silly to say, right?

I mean mankind has been ruled for so very long, under such circumstances, really.
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But the thing is RS, is that people haven't been completely free to choose. People have been being deceived for thousands of years.
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I understand that, but there is a certain point when we allow ourselves to be deceived. It is that one point where our better nature, where our very conscience tells us that something isn't quite right. Free will has always been a choice between good and evil, but the choices have been camouflaged and manipulated to confuse us. However, when you look within your own heart, and you look into the eyes of what gives you pause, you will know what to do. Always follow your heart, never doubt it :-)
 Quoting: Rising Son


The bolded is confusing me. I mean, the deception that I speak of is HUGE, not all crimes are equal...surely the point where we 'allow' ourselves to be victimized isn't either.

To say, a victim of murder, allowed it, by not acknowledging the little voice, telling them something wasn't right..... that would be silly to say, right?

I mean mankind has been ruled for so very long, under such circumstances, really.
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It is always wrong to blame the victim of any crime, and I completely understand what you are saying. However, when we allow ourselves to be compromised, in that I mean when we let evil within our heart and allow it to hold sway, no matter how small or influential it may seem, this clouds our judgment, and it causes us to be deceived. On the surface, this would not seem so - but when you understand that the difference between good and evil lies on a spectrum, it makes sense. Any evil, no matter how insignificant, draws you away from that which is good, and it isolates you. Thank you for your wonderful question, I do not explain myself very well, so thank you for helping me unscramble my words :-)

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If you want to combat 'evil', you must first define 'evil'.

If you have defined 'evil' then you must have a way to enforce 'good' upon others that have 'evil' inclinations.

First, you have to get rid of the liberarians, otherwise you cannot even start such a project.

But they have guns and will defend themselves and their liberties.

So you will have to be brutal and become 'evil' yourself.

I guess this pretty much sums up the problems there are with 'good' and 'evil'.

Still, most of us know very well what 'good' and 'evil' are.

We have to get to the bottom of it, and have a good starting point to begin with.

I think it all boils down to this:

Moral systems have a biological origin. Humans are social animals and they need a group to survive. For this reason humans need moral codes. Good actions help the group, the nation or humanity, while evil actions harm the group, the nation or humanity. Doing something that harms other people, whether it is directly or indirectly, is evil. Being good or being evil does not depend on one's beliefs or intentions, but on one's actions. Consequently religious or friendly people can be evil when their actions harm others, even if they are not aware of it. Ignorance is one of the greatest evils.
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