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Nlightened
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Those are pending patents, and the Xbox one is possibly going to happen with the next one.

I have worked in the cable industry for 7 years both in the field and in the highest level of networking and software support for the last 7 years. I can assure you, as of right now there is no camera or mic in those boxes. I've torn them apart myself and access the firmware daily.
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I don't have to tear them apart to realize that there is no mic and/or camera in them. Not only would that be expensive on their part, but there would be MANY regulations as to what they could/couldn't do. They don't want the lawsuits and potential settlements down the road.

That isn't to say at some point they might not install cameras/mics in the boxes, it just wouldn't be for what those who are paranoid assume. It would most likely be nothing more than assisting them in determining what channels you watch, and at what time. The reason this is unlikely to happen, besides the fact of the costs of adding mics/cameras to each box, is because they can already DO that.

Essentially what I am saying, is not only is it NOT economically feasible, but it isn't even LOGICALLY feasible. They already have the information they are looking for, which contributes to finding out stats regarding network TV companies, and their programs.
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OK TROLL STOP !!!! Verizon already passed a bill through the Senate for FIOS DVR's to watch and listen inside of all homes it is installed in... Check for yourself...
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Do you rather enjoy misusing internet slang?
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???wtf
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Really? You mean you don't think most people know their viewing habits are tracked for ratings? LOL Just crawl out from under a rock?

And PS, that's not the same thing as the lunatic theory of your "TV watching you" that people post about here.

Fail post is Fail.
 Quoting: Floobarb the Argnorf




Exactly what I tried explaining to the paranoid, lunatic fringe crowd, in a rather civil manner mind you, only to be called a "troll".

It is remarkable how intelligent discussion is shunned in this day and age. Even on a web-site devoted to discussing theories of all kinds, it seems anyone who tries to use deduction, or reasoning of any kind , is shot down.

You have 90% of the forum convinced the know some secret, something the rest of the world doesn't know. They can't agree on what that secret is, for each of the 90% believes it is something different. When you systematically try to show them the fallacy of their beliefs, they are quick to insult you, try to belittle you, in the most elementary manner.

What they don't realize, is that it is THEM who are hindrance to Truth. For truth comes not from crack pot theories, truth comes from deduction. Someone who has no interest in the truth, wouldn't bother using reasoning or deduction. These people , who want to know what is going on in the world, attack the very ones contributing to the factual information we actually CAN verify....sad isn't it.
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My optimum cable box comes on every time I enter the room. I have posted this before. I can cover the box and it still comes on, so it must be a noise sensor or mic or some kind.

There are 4 seals on the back, so if I take it off I won't be able to turn the box in when I am done.

Really not sure what to do......
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unplug the power except when you want to use it.
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I don't have to tear them apart to realize that there is no mic and/or camera in them. Not only would that be expensive on their part, but there would be MANY regulations as to what they could/couldn't do. They don't want the lawsuits and potential settlements down the road.

That isn't to say at some point they might not install cameras/mics in the boxes, it just wouldn't be for what those who are paranoid assume. It would most likely be nothing more than assisting them in determining what channels you watch, and at what time. The reason this is unlikely to happen, besides the fact of the costs of adding mics/cameras to each box, is because they can already DO that.

Essentially what I am saying, is not only is it NOT economically feasible, but it isn't even LOGICALLY feasible. They already have the information they are looking for, which contributes to finding out stats regarding network TV companies, and their programs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 801546


OK TROLL STOP !!!! Verizon already passed a bill through the Senate for FIOS DVR's to watch and listen inside of all homes it is installed in... Check for yourself...
 Quoting: Nlightened




Do you rather enjoy misusing internet slang?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 801546


???wtf
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A troll is usually someone who creates posts or threads on an internet forum, for the sole purpose of getting a reaction out of someone, or a group of people. If I wanted to get a reaction out of anyone, do you really think I'd post something so BORING as the fact that there are no microphones or cameras in TV boxes? Do you really think THAT would be how I troll an internet forum?


I believe perhaps you were looking for the word 'shill'. I can only assume that is what you meant, since it is the popular insult on this forum , thrown around by those who refuse to accept that other people can come to separate conclusions regarding a subject on their own accord.
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smopfag

Really? You mean you don't think most people know their viewing habits are tracked for ratings? LOL Just crawl out from under a rock?

And PS, that's not the same thing as the lunatic theory of your "TV watching you" that people post about here.

Fail post is Fail.
 Quoting: Floobarb the Argnorf




Exactly what I tried explaining to the paranoid, lunatic fringe crowd, in a rather civil manner mind you, only to be called a "troll".

It is remarkable how intelligent discussion is shunned in this day and age. Even on a web-site devoted to discussing theories of all kinds, it seems anyone who tries to use deduction, or reasoning of any kind , is shot down.

You have 90% of the forum convinced the know some secret, something the rest of the world doesn't know. They can't agree on what that secret is, for each of the 90% believes it is something different. When you systematically try to show them the fallacy of their beliefs, they are quick to insult you, try to belittle you, in the most elementary manner.

What they don't realize, is that it is THEM who are hindrance to Truth. For truth comes not from crack pot theories, truth comes from deduction. Someone who has no interest in the truth, wouldn't bother using reasoning or deduction. These people , who want to know what is going on in the world, attack the very ones contributing to the factual information we actually CAN verify....sad isn't it.
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OK.. I have a FIOS DVR and I can prove what I said is true..
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:smopfag:

Really? You mean you don't think most people know their viewing habits are tracked for ratings? LOL Just crawl out from under a rock?

And PS, that's not the same thing as the lunatic theory of your "TV watching you" that people post about here.

Fail post is Fail.
 Quoting: Floobarb the Argnorf




Exactly what I tried explaining to the paranoid, lunatic fringe crowd, in a rather civil manner mind you, only to be called a "troll".

It is remarkable how intelligent discussion is shunned in this day and age. Even on a web-site devoted to discussing theories of all kinds, it seems anyone who tries to use deduction, or reasoning of any kind , is shot down.

You have 90% of the forum convinced the know some secret, something the rest of the world doesn't know. They can't agree on what that secret is, for each of the 90% believes it is something different. When you systematically try to show them the fallacy of their beliefs, they are quick to insult you, try to belittle you, in the most elementary manner.

What they don't realize, is that it is THEM who are hindrance to Truth. For truth comes not from crack pot theories, truth comes from deduction. Someone who has no interest in the truth, wouldn't bother using reasoning or deduction. These people , who want to know what is going on in the world, attack the very ones contributing to the factual information we actually CAN verify....sad isn't it.
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OK.. I have a FIOS DVR and I can prove what I said is true..
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I'm not opposed to logical reasoning, and NOW you are talking. You say you can prove it.

This isn't about you, nor me, but is an interesting subject nonetheless.

Since you have the box, can you take pics and post the links here?
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I've found a report on the patent for the FIOS DVR you are speaking of:

[link to www.techdirt.com]


It appears it hasn't been released. Furthermore, the technology isn't to spy on you, it is to determine how many people are in a room, watching the television. That is nothing new.


Id be EXTREMELY happy to see the microphone and camera in your existing box, THAT would be interesting.
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02/07/2013 08:47 PM
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i dont have tv anymore, they lose.
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i dont have tv anymore, they lose.
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It it isn't the television that is a losing technology, it is moreso the cable TV that is.

Technology is rapidly changing, and I suspect it won't be long (within the decade) until it is all internet-based.
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I've found a report on the patent for the FIOS DVR you are speaking of:

[link to www.techdirt.com]


It appears it hasn't been released. Furthermore, the technology isn't to spy on you, it is to determine how many people are in a room, watching the television. That is nothing new.


Id be EXTREMELY happy to see the microphone and camera in your existing box, THAT would be interesting.
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any speaker can act as a microphone ;)
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Few cable subscribers realize it, but each time they switch channels, their TV provider makes a note of it. Today, that data is primarily used for internal research and to inform ratings. But newly published work from researchers at AT&T shows how it could also be used to make TV advertising more compelling

[link to www.technologyreview.com]

Click on the naughty channel and they know how many times you did it.
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If someone at a network wants to know what I am watching, who the eff cares? Its not like they can SEE into our houses... gesus.
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Sounds like the data being collected is nothing to be concerned about.

If your TIVO begins following you, then I would start to worry!

hiding
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i dont have tv anymore, they lose.
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It it isn't the television that is a losing technology, it is moreso the cable TV that is.

Technology is rapidly changing, and I suspect it won't be long (within the decade) until it is all internet-based.
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John Titor predicted this.
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02/07/2013 08:51 PM

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Wanna bet??

[link to appft1.uspto.gov]

Mic and cams to watch you.

Even your xbox 360
[link to appft.uspto.gov]

Its been here for awhile now and most people have a dvr.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11609144


Dont forget Kinect watching you too! Patent for Targeting Advertisements Based on Emotion. Kinect's camera tracks your emotions:

4. "indication of the user's reaction is identified from facial expressions of the user captured by an image capture device during the time period"
6. "indication of the user's reaction is identified from gestures and body movements of the user captured by an image capture device during the time period."
7. "further comprising storing the emotional state of the user in a database"
11. "if the user identifier is not in the emotional state database, determining the emotional state of the user"
captured by an image capture device during the time period"
20. "indication of the user's reaction is identified from user speech patterns captured by an audio capture device during the time period"
[link to appft1.uspto.gov]

and then there is "Leveraging Xbox Kinect for Homeland Security Operations"
bottom right of the page, under "videos and webcasts"
[link to www.microsoft.com]

See this thread for others. like, Monitoring Body Positions and Movements During Sleep and The Smart Thermostat: Using Occupancy Sensors to Save Energy in Homes
Thread: Facebook and Microsoft's Database patent for: "EMOTIONAL STATE OF USER"

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I gave up TV when they started all this black box business with the crazy stuff they can do.
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Wanna bet??

[link to appft1.uspto.gov]

Mic and cams to watch you.

Even your xbox 360
[link to appft.uspto.gov]

Its been here for awhile now and most people have a dvr.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11609144


Dont forget Kinect watching you too! Patent for Targeting Advertisements Based on Emotion. Kinect's camera tracks your emotions:

4. "indication of the user's reaction is identified from facial expressions of the user captured by an image capture device during the time period"
6. "indication of the user's reaction is identified from gestures and body movements of the user captured by an image capture device during the time period."
7. "further comprising storing the emotional state of the user in a database"
11. "if the user identifier is not in the emotional state database, determining the emotional state of the user"
captured by an image capture device during the time period"
20. "indication of the user's reaction is identified from user speech patterns captured by an audio capture device during the time period"
[link to appft1.uspto.gov]

and then there is "Leveraging Xbox Kinect for Homeland Security Operations"
bottom right of the page, under "videos and webcasts"
[link to www.microsoft.com]

See this thread for others. like, Monitoring Body Positions and Movements During Sleep and The Smart Thermostat: Using Occupancy Sensors to Save Energy in Homes
Thread: Facebook and Microsoft's Database patent for: "EMOTIONAL STATE OF USER"
 Quoting: TeamReaper


Also most utility companies replacing your current electric meter with the new Smart ones...
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There hasn't been anythign good on tv since they cancelled Gilligans Island.
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Wanna bet??

[link to appft1.uspto.gov]

Mic and cams to watch you.

Even your xbox 360
[link to appft.uspto.gov]

Its been here for awhile now and most people have a dvr.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11609144


Dont forget Kinect watching you too! Patent for Targeting Advertisements Based on Emotion. Kinect's camera tracks your emotions:

4. "indication of the user's reaction is identified from facial expressions of the user captured by an image capture device during the time period"
6. "indication of the user's reaction is identified from gestures and body movements of the user captured by an image capture device during the time period."
7. "further comprising storing the emotional state of the user in a database"
11. "if the user identifier is not in the emotional state database, determining the emotional state of the user"
captured by an image capture device during the time period"
20. "indication of the user's reaction is identified from user speech patterns captured by an audio capture device during the time period"
[link to appft1.uspto.gov]

and then there is "Leveraging Xbox Kinect for Homeland Security Operations"
bottom right of the page, under "videos and webcasts"
[link to www.microsoft.com]

See this thread for others. like, Monitoring Body Positions and Movements During Sleep and The Smart Thermostat: Using Occupancy Sensors to Save Energy in Homes
Thread: Facebook and Microsoft's Database patent for: "EMOTIONAL STATE OF USER"
 Quoting: TeamReaper


Also most utility companies replacing your current electric meter with the new Smart ones...
 Quoting: Nlightened


The devices even know how much heat your using and what room your in based on predictive analysis such as this. anonymous turns the heat down to 65 at night so he likely in the master bedroom upstairs.

This same technology is used for cell phones to get a prediction of where your gonna be and for how long.
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I have directv w/dvr, I do not have it connected to a phone line or wireless. They send messages & down load upgrades from time to time, but not sure they can tell what I am doing cause I have to call to order movies.

Most people cop out by saying they have nothing to hide. I tell them that's not the point. The fact is they don't have the right.
 Quoting: TTX8K82


They can tell because your dvr is based off tivo or at least they used to be and they all had this ability many years ago which tivo inadvertently admitted the Janet Jackson boob slip was one of the most rewound/paused events in tivo history.
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I remember the Jackson super bowl act - I was one of those who rec it. They most likely know everything on. I also heard they sell some of the stats.
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I have directv w/dvr, I do not have it connected to a phone line or wireless. They send messages & down load upgrades from time to time, but not sure they can tell what I am doing cause I have to call to order movies.

Most people cop out by saying they have nothing to hide. I tell them that's not the point. The fact is they don't have the right.
 Quoting: TTX8K82


They can tell because your dvr is based off tivo or at least they used to be and they all had this ability many years ago which tivo inadvertently admitted the Janet Jackson boob slip was one of the most rewound/paused events in tivo history.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11609144


I remember the Jackson super bowl act - I was one of those who rec it. They most likely know everything on. I also heard they sell some of the stats.
 Quoting: TTX8K82


Yep and this why they want people to use facebook so they know who your friends are and where your gonna run when shtf.
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F a TV
burnit
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burnit
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Here we have a demonstration of paranoid schizophrenia when a group of mentally ill people are exposed to the same stimuli. You will notice that there is a definitive difference between those with the condition and those without.
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Here we have a demonstration of paranoid schizophrenia when a group of mentally ill people are exposed to the same stimuli. You will notice that there is a definitive difference between those with the condition and those without.
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WOW !! I have been diagnosed... I'm CURED !!!!

moshpitstonerlolsignpennywiseiamwith
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Few cable subscribers realize it, but each time they switch channels, their TV provider makes a note of it. Today, that data is primarily used for internal research and to inform ratings. But newly published work from researchers at AT&T shows how it could also be used to make TV advertising more compelling

[link to www.technologyreview.com]

Click on the naughty channel and they know how many times you did it.
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Ravens won the superbowl
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Here we have a demonstration of paranoid schizophrenia when a group of mentally ill people are exposed to the same stimuli. You will notice that there is a definitive difference between those with the condition and those without.
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WOW !! I have been diagnosed... I'm CURED !!!!

moshpitstonerlolsignpennywiseiamwith
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You will notice the sarcasm in this response. It is used to discredit the previous post. This is further demonstrated by the user going from admitting a problem to being cured.
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My optimum cable box comes on every time I enter the room. I have posted this before. I can cover the box and it still comes on, so it must be a noise sensor or mic or some kind.

There are 4 seals on the back, so if I take it off I won't be able to turn the box in when I am done.

Really not sure what to do......
 Quoting: Watching the world


Simple. Get rid of cable. TV rots the brain anyway. And what few programs you must watch, you can find on the Internet for free.
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Here we have a demonstration of paranoid schizophrenia when a group of mentally ill people are exposed to the same stimuli. You will notice that there is a definitive difference between those with the condition and those without.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036


WOW !! I have been diagnosed... I'm CURED !!!!

moshpitstonerlolsignpennywiseiamwith
 Quoting: Nlightened


You will notice the sarcasm in this response. It is used to discredit the previous post. This is further demonstrated by the user going from admitting a problem to being cured.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036


I know Riiighhtt.. Thank god for modern medicine... GLP..banana2
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My optimum cable box comes on every time I enter the room. I have posted this before. I can cover the box and it still comes on, so it must be a noise sensor or mic or some kind.

There are 4 seals on the back, so if I take it off I won't be able to turn the box in when I am done.

Really not sure what to do......
 Quoting: Watching the world


unplug the power except when you want to use it.
 Quoting: tandym

Saying that to some of the crowd that posts here will probably get you a reply like "They watch you even when its unplugged"
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TV has been disconnected 3 years

Fuck em
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Here we have a demonstration of paranoid schizophrenia when a group of mentally ill people are exposed to the same stimuli. You will notice that there is a definitive difference between those with the condition and those without.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036


WOW !! I have been diagnosed... I'm CURED !!!!

moshpitstonerlolsignpennywiseiamwith
 Quoting: Nlightened


You will notice the sarcasm in this response. It is used to discredit the previous post. This is further demonstrated by the user going from admitting a problem to being cured.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23917036


I know Riiighhtt.. Thank god for modern medicine... GLP..banana2
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There were always people with mental illness. They were usually beggars or fanatics or just scary to the public.

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