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BunnyGirl (OP)

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320


"Law enforcement sources told The Times that at least seven officers opened fire. "

SEVEN of them failed to notice? SEVEN?
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Way to call attention to corruption! Go Rambro!
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Obama supporter I take it?
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Hell No
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As bullets tore through the cabin, the two women "covered their faces and huddled down," Jonas said. "They felt like it was going on forever."

Hernandez was shot twice in her back and is expected to recover. Her daughter escaped with only minor wounds from broken glass.

Though Beck said he does not doubt the women did not hear any verbal commands, he emphasized that it was still possible the officers did attempt to stop the vehicle before opening fire. And, while not commenting specifically on this shooting, Beck said it was not difficult to imagine how officers who were already on edge could make the mistake these officers did.

"As an officer, you look for cues. You know how someone drives normally and then you see someone coming at you slowly, driving in the middle of the street, stopping and starting. That can be misinterpreted," he said.

Beck said he had not yet received a detailed briefing, which typically occurs a few days after officer-involved shootings to give investigators time to collect evidence and put together the basic summary of what happened. But he did say that the gunfire occurred in two bursts: The first came from an officer positioned down the block from the LAPD official's residence, and the second when Carranza accelerated away from the gunfire and toward other officers.

After the investigation is completed, Beck and an oversight board will decide if officers were justified in the shooting or made mistakes that warrant either punishment or training.

Jonas estimated that the officers fired between 20 and 30 rounds. Photographs of the back of the truck showed at least two dozen bullet holes. Neighbors, however, suggested there were more shots fired.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320


UNBELIEVABLE!!! Giving the officers the benefit of 'possibility' that he was JUSTIFIED???? OMG! They won't even give Dorner the benefit of 'possibility' that it might not even be HIM! There is NO justification for those officers to open fire on these women - NONE!
 Quoting: BunnyGirl


Lets Count the bullet Holes! I counted 47, but I see an evidence tag on the ground around casings numbered 54.

CDTruck1

Looks like 22 and 40 Caliber Rounds were used. Good thing those ladies were short.

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It IS amazing that people are not outraged by the cops handling of this situation.

They certainly are a trigger happy bunch. Almost proving the point of it all
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Shut down the Twin Towers jail because someone saw a person who 'looks like' Chris Dorner - here's the twitter feed:

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
 Quoting: BunnyGirl


that guy was hoping to get the crap beat out of him so he could sue!
hopefully one of LAPD'S finest obliged him
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As bullets tore through the cabin, the two women "covered their faces and huddled down," Jonas said. "They felt like it was going on forever."

Hernandez was shot twice in her back and is expected to recover. Her daughter escaped with only minor wounds from broken glass.

Though Beck said he does not doubt the women did not hear any verbal commands, he emphasized that it was still possible the officers did attempt to stop the vehicle before opening fire. And, while not commenting specifically on this shooting, Beck said it was not difficult to imagine how officers who were already on edge could make the mistake these officers did.

"As an officer, you look for cues. You know how someone drives normally and then you see someone coming at you slowly, driving in the middle of the street, stopping and starting. That can be misinterpreted," he said.

Beck said he had not yet received a detailed briefing, which typically occurs a few days after officer-involved shootings to give investigators time to collect evidence and put together the basic summary of what happened. But he did say that the gunfire occurred in two bursts: The first came from an officer positioned down the block from the LAPD official's residence, and the second when Carranza accelerated away from the gunfire and toward other officers.

After the investigation is completed, Beck and an oversight board will decide if officers were justified in the shooting or made mistakes that warrant either punishment or training.

Jonas estimated that the officers fired between 20 and 30 rounds. Photographs of the back of the truck showed at least two dozen bullet holes. Neighbors, however, suggested there were more shots fired.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320


UNBELIEVABLE!!! Giving the officers the benefit of 'possibility' that he was JUSTIFIED???? OMG! They won't even give Dorner the benefit of 'possibility' that it might not even be HIM! There is NO justification for those officers to open fire on these women - NONE!
 Quoting: BunnyGirl


Lets Count the bullet Holes! I counted 47, but I see a evidence tag on the ground around casings numbered 54.

:CDTruck1:
 Quoting: CowboyEE


I dont know about guns, but there are so many bullets. It looks like they used semi auto weapons and maybe reloaded? Is that an asenine observation? Seems like a lot for a regular gun.
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As bullets tore through the cabin, the two women "covered their faces and huddled down," Jonas said. "They felt like it was going on forever."

Hernandez was shot twice in her back and is expected to recover. Her daughter escaped with only minor wounds from broken glass.

Though Beck said he does not doubt the women did not hear any verbal commands, he emphasized that it was still possible the officers did attempt to stop the vehicle before opening fire. And, while not commenting specifically on this shooting, Beck said it was not difficult to imagine how officers who were already on edge could make the mistake these officers did.

"As an officer, you look for cues. You know how someone drives normally and then you see someone coming at you slowly, driving in the middle of the street, stopping and starting. That can be misinterpreted," he said.

Beck said he had not yet received a detailed briefing, which typically occurs a few days after officer-involved shootings to give investigators time to collect evidence and put together the basic summary of what happened. But he did say that the gunfire occurred in two bursts: The first came from an officer positioned down the block from the LAPD official's residence, and the second when Carranza accelerated away from the gunfire and toward other officers.

After the investigation is completed, Beck and an oversight board will decide if officers were justified in the shooting or made mistakes that warrant either punishment or training.

Jonas estimated that the officers fired between 20 and 30 rounds. Photographs of the back of the truck showed at least two dozen bullet holes. Neighbors, however, suggested there were more shots fired.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320


UNBELIEVABLE!!! Giving the officers the benefit of 'possibility' that he was JUSTIFIED???? OMG! They won't even give Dorner the benefit of 'possibility' that it might not even be HIM! There is NO justification for those officers to open fire on these women - NONE!
 Quoting: BunnyGirl


Lets Count the bullet Holes! I counted 47, but I see a evidence tag on the ground around casings numbered 54.

CDTruck1
 Quoting: CowboyEE


I dont know about guns, but there are so many bullets. It looks like they used semi auto weapons and maybe reloaded? Is that an asenine observation? Seems like a lot for a regular gun.
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The only thing we know for sure is that LAPD want him DEAD!!!!!
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The manifesto makes sense while he is focused on the lapd, it gets weird after that. But if he's real I think I'd leave the force and move somewhere else. Think about what he knows about lapd tactics and procedures. Then add to that that he has the same uniform and weapons that they have. Add to that he has better weapons stowed nearby. If I were an lapd officer I wouldn't be shooting at the papergirl driving the pickup, I'd be looking at every male black lapd officer as my assailant. He's probably setup at a roadblock right now drinking coffee with the next cop he's gonna kill. Scary camouflage when they look exactly like you.
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As bullets tore through the cabin, the two women "covered their faces and huddled down," Jonas said. "They felt like it was going on forever."

Hernandez was shot twice in her back and is expected to recover. Her daughter escaped with only minor wounds from broken glass.

Though Beck said he does not doubt the women did not hear any verbal commands, he emphasized that it was still possible the officers did attempt to stop the vehicle before opening fire. And, while not commenting specifically on this shooting, Beck said it was not difficult to imagine how officers who were already on edge could make the mistake these officers did.

"As an officer, you look for cues. You know how someone drives normally and then you see someone coming at you slowly, driving in the middle of the street, stopping and starting. That can be misinterpreted," he said.

Beck said he had not yet received a detailed briefing, which typically occurs a few days after officer-involved shootings to give investigators time to collect evidence and put together the basic summary of what happened. But he did say that the gunfire occurred in two bursts: The first came from an officer positioned down the block from the LAPD official's residence, and the second when Carranza accelerated away from the gunfire and toward other officers.

After the investigation is completed, Beck and an oversight board will decide if officers were justified in the shooting or made mistakes that warrant either punishment or training.

Jonas estimated that the officers fired between 20 and 30 rounds. Photographs of the back of the truck showed at least two dozen bullet holes. Neighbors, however, suggested there were more shots fired.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320


UNBELIEVABLE!!! Giving the officers the benefit of 'possibility' that he was JUSTIFIED???? OMG! They won't even give Dorner the benefit of 'possibility' that it might not even be HIM! There is NO justification for those officers to open fire on these women - NONE!
 Quoting: BunnyGirl


Lets Count the bullet Holes! I counted 47, but I see an evidence tag on the ground around casings numbered 54.

CDTruck1

Looks like 22 and 40 Caliber Rounds were used. Good thing those ladies were short.
 Quoting: CowboyEE


There was a news broadcast yesterday from neighbors in the area - homes and vehicles also suffered damage.

Since when do the police not pay attention to what they are shooting at and concerned with what could be caught in the crossfire?
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320


"Law enforcement sources told The Times that at least seven officers opened fire. "

SEVEN of them failed to notice? SEVEN?
 Quoting: BunnyGirl


If Seven Officers Opened Fire, then we are not seeing the Bullet Holes from the other sides of the vehicle. We are only able to see the holes from the officers that were in the rear.

Casing markers are on the sides and in front of the vehicle as well.

CDTruck1
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The manifesto makes sense while he is focused on the lapd, it gets weird after that. But if he's real I think I'd leave the force and move somewhere else. Think about what he knows about lapd tactics and procedures. Then add to that that he has the same uniform and weapons that they have. Add to that he has better weapons stowed nearby. If I were an lapd officer I wouldn't be shooting at the papergirl driving the pickup, I'd be looking at every male black lapd officer as my assailant. He's probably setup at a roadblock right now drinking coffee with the next cop he's gonna kill. Scary camouflage when they look exactly like you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33936702


Excellent point on the chameleon approach.

Personally I find it SERIOUSLY hard to believe that a man wants to clear his name from being a 'liar' by being a 'murderer'. Makes no sense whatsoever.
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As bullets tore through the cabin, the two women "covered their faces and huddled down," Jonas said. "They felt like it was going on forever."

Hernandez was shot twice in her back and is expected to recover. Her daughter escaped with only minor wounds from broken glass.

Though Beck said he does not doubt the women did not hear any verbal commands, he emphasized that it was still possible the officers did attempt to stop the vehicle before opening fire. And, while not commenting specifically on this shooting, Beck said it was not difficult to imagine how officers who were already on edge could make the mistake these officers did.

"As an officer, you look for cues. You know how someone drives normally and then you see someone coming at you slowly, driving in the middle of the street, stopping and starting. That can be misinterpreted," he said.

Beck said he had not yet received a detailed briefing, which typically occurs a few days after officer-involved shootings to give investigators time to collect evidence and put together the basic summary of what happened. But he did say that the gunfire occurred in two bursts: The first came from an officer positioned down the block from the LAPD official's residence, and the second when Carranza accelerated away from the gunfire and toward other officers.

After the investigation is completed, Beck and an oversight board will decide if officers were justified in the shooting or made mistakes that warrant either punishment or training.

Jonas estimated that the officers fired between 20 and 30 rounds. Photographs of the back of the truck showed at least two dozen bullet holes. Neighbors, however, suggested there were more shots fired.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320


UNBELIEVABLE!!! Giving the officers the benefit of 'possibility' that he was JUSTIFIED???? OMG! They won't even give Dorner the benefit of 'possibility' that it might not even be HIM! There is NO justification for those officers to open fire on these women - NONE!
 Quoting: BunnyGirl


Lets Count the bullet Holes! I counted 47, but I see an evidence tag on the ground around casings numbered 54.

:CDTruck1:

Looks like 22 and 40 Caliber Rounds were used. Good thing those ladies were short.
 Quoting: CowboyEE


There were lots of missed shots that hit other cars and homes.
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The system freaks over one guy. Do you really think they can handle a full blown opposition?
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320


"Law enforcement sources told The Times that at least seven officers opened fire. "

SEVEN of them failed to notice? SEVEN?
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If Seven Officers Opened Fire, then we are not seeing the Bullet Holes from the other sides of the vehicle. We are only able to see the holes from the officers that were in the rear.

Casing markers are on the sides and in front of the vehicle as well.

CDTruck1
 Quoting: CowboyEE


Seven Officers with 15+ rounds of 40 S&W ~ 75+ Rounds and Appears to be 22 Cal from most likely an AR 15. So add another 30 rounds.

My guess is there was over 100 rounds fired!
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Cops Gone Wild. It could be worse. At least they admitted that Dorner was a cop. That isn't good either.
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The system freaks over one guy. Do you really think they can handle a full blown opposition?
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~THIS~

Maybe that is why they are doing this manhunt in the first place? To practice, to prepare but also to show what will happen to anyone that opposes authority - corrupt or not, the law only applies to those deemed law breakers, where as the authorities can break the law and it's in route to apprehension so this is justified.
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Jesse Jackson, feels the pain........jerk
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The system freaks over one guy. Do you really think they can handle a full blown opposition?
 Quoting: Kybeam 27604421


~THIS~

Maybe that is why they are doing this manhunt in the first place? To practice, to prepare but also to show what will happen to anyone that opposes authority - corrupt or not, the law only applies to those deemed law breakers, where as the authorities can break the law and it's in route to apprehension so this is justified.
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This is not justified! This is a clear violation of our Constitutional Rights!

A KILL ORDER IS IN PLACE!!! No WAY LAPD WILL BRING HIM TO TRIAL!!!! THEY HAVE PROVEN THIS!!!
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You've got it.

If this is what the LAPD acted on...

They are a massive paniced group of little girls.

Or

It's yet another (yawn) wag the dog.
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Bunny Girl .... " Since when are police not concerned at what they are shooting at ?"

WHEN THEY are part of the corrupt, corporate city/state/federal governments, who suddenly have a wronged man', who feels he has lost EVERYTHING, including his NAME ( or didn't you read his manifesto ?) and has nothing to lose, including his life to right the wrong, are are now being hunted like the animals they are !

ALL cops FEAR anyone as well armed as they are, OR, armed at all ! Most are gutless cowards, and are often are afraid to strike/kick the individual they are accosting UNTIL he/she is handcuffed and helpless, as MANY videos show !

Their greatest enjoyment is two or more attacking drunken women who DARE
to not immediately obey their orders, etc.
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Is he only the figurehead of a more powerful opposition force lurking in the wings.

If they don't catch him soon the assumption he has help can be made.
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You've got it.

If this is what the LAPD acted on...

They are a massive paniced group of little girls.

Or

It's yet another (yawn) wag the dog.
 Quoting: Being * gnieB


In other Wag the Dog situations. We have our Theories, but no flat out Proof.

This is a situation where the authorities are telling us Chris Dorner did this, but the have shown us no proof. Just an internet post. However, they have shown us the proof that they have a KILL Order in place. This is a blatent use of UNJUSTIFIABLE FORCE!!! No Identifictation of the Suspect. No attempt to apprehend the suspect alive. Ten minutes after shooting up the Blue Toyota Tacoma, they ram a Black Honda Ridgeline and fill it full of holes, same MO.

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These people are dealing with a mentally unstable man. They want a solution to the problem - a mentally unstable man, who has threatened to harm the families of police officers and has acted on his threat. The officers involved in this case are not worried about what you think. I know that is hard for you to understand- Sarcasm intended. You don't need to understand the whole case and their choices and yes those, choices will be defended in court, if it even gets that far.
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There was a news broadcast yesterday from neighbors in the area - homes and vehicles also suffered damage.

Since when do the police not pay attention to what they are shooting at and concerned with what could be caught in the crossfire?



When they're trying to shut up someone who has something that could expose them or potentially expose their corruption. Ever see one of those mob movies where the mob guns someone down to shut them up?
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These people are dealing with a mentally unstable man. They want a solution to the problem - a mentally unstable man, who has threatened to harm the families of police officers and has acted on his threat. The officers involved in this case are not worried about what you think. I know that is hard for you to understand- Sarcasm intended. You don't need to understand the whole case and their choices and yes those, choices will be defended in court, if it even gets that far.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11748687


If Chris Dorner is really out there. I highly doubt he is mentally unstable. What the LAPD doesn't understand is that so many people have been the victoms of the corruption, that these victoms are likely to join in the Battle. LAPD have started a war that they may not be able to win.
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These people are dealing with a mentally unstable man. They want a solution to the problem - a mentally unstable man, who has threatened to harm the families of police officers and has acted on his threat. The officers involved in this case are not worried about what you think. I know that is hard for you to understand- Sarcasm intended. You don't need to understand the whole case and their choices and yes those, choices will be defended in court, if it even gets that far.
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You just set the bar for extreme shill'sm
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They got really military. Nobody broke silence. I'm sure lots of cops are GLPers. They must have been told on SH and this thing that they would get 70 years if they said they were drills. I'm pretty sure the two kids were killed by this guy. At least he would be the prime suspect. The other stuff they reported, I'm not too sure about. The manifesto, if phony shows they still hate gays and they don't like Obama. Because you just reverse it. It's like a joke. CNN is good. No it's not. See? Even the guy's name. Dorner. Drone. Making fun. Stupid. Innocent women got hurt. I just don't buy it. If any of this is fake, it's a big mistake because lots of Poor Blacks and Mexicans don't trust the police anyway. It goes into class warfare. We have only one enemy. It's called Islam. Put those drones into better use along the Canadian and Mexican Borders. Tons of Muslims in those countries. The ones that are United States Citizens, I'm not worried about.

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