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CowboyEE

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As bullets tore through the cabin, the two women "covered their faces and huddled down," Jonas said. "They felt like it was going on forever."

Hernandez was shot twice in her back and is expected to recover. Her daughter escaped with only minor wounds from broken glass.

Though Beck said he does not doubt the women did not hear any verbal commands, he emphasized that it was still possible the officers did attempt to stop the vehicle before opening fire. And, while not commenting specifically on this shooting, Beck said it was not difficult to imagine how officers who were already on edge could make the mistake these officers did.

"As an officer, you look for cues. You know how someone drives normally and then you see someone coming at you slowly, driving in the middle of the street, stopping and starting. That can be misinterpreted," he said.

Beck said he had not yet received a detailed briefing, which typically occurs a few days after officer-involved shootings to give investigators time to collect evidence and put together the basic summary of what happened. But he did say that the gunfire occurred in two bursts: The first came from an officer positioned down the block from the LAPD official's residence, and the second when Carranza accelerated away from the gunfire and toward other officers.

After the investigation is completed, Beck and an oversight board will decide if officers were justified in the shooting or made mistakes that warrant either punishment or training.

Jonas estimated that the officers fired between 20 and 30 rounds. Photographs of the back of the truck showed at least two dozen bullet holes. Neighbors, however, suggested there were more shots fired.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320

Officers fired possibly more than 20-30 rounds at an unarmed, sitting duck target only wounding one completely unprepared person??? And the man they are looking for is highly trained?? I bet they're literally quaking in their boots...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25732701




Goes to show how accurate policemen AREN'T with their shooting skills - just like in the movies....... Thank God their shooting sucks! At least in this case.....
 Quoting: BunnyGirl


We have proof that they are lying about the number of rounds.

I count 47 bullet holes in the back of this truck.

CDTruck1
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So what is this guy eating?
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in/out burger and pollos hermanos

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These idiots made the mistake of identifying a blue tacoma for a gray titan?

Did they put the dumbest cops on the planet at these guys house?


Here is another thing. Why does this cop deserve such a huge protection setup? If a normal person is on the supposed "list" they won't get shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26646277


Keep in mind that they rammed a Black Honda Ridgeline causing airbag deployment then shot three rounds through the windshield where the suspects head should have been.

When the open the door, it was not the suspect. This happened 10 minutes after the Toyota Tacoma was shot up.
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I was thinking along these same lines. According to his manifesto, he was indignant about the corruption within LAPD. Why would he resort to murder? However, people are known to crack and that sounds like a definite possibility. I make that statement based on his manifesto and the various reports.

I don't believe he was anywhere near Big Bear when his pickup caught on fire. Has it even been identified as his? He is one smart cookie according to what I have read.

It's crazy that none of the news outlets are using the word "alleged" in their reports. He is presumed guilty and will never live to tell his story.

Dorner is long gone and who knows where he will show up at next!

The manifesto makes sense while he is focused on the lapd, it gets weird after that. But if he's real I think I'd leave the force and move somewhere else. Think about what he knows about lapd tactics and procedures. Then add to that that he has the same uniform and weapons that they have. Add to that he has better weapons stowed nearby. If I were an lapd officer I wouldn't be shooting at the papergirl driving the pickup, I'd be looking at every male black lapd officer as my assailant. He's probably setup at a roadblock right now drinking coffee with the next cop he's gonna kill. Scary camouflage when they look exactly like you.
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Excellent point on the chameleon approach.

Personally I find it SERIOUSLY hard to believe that a man wants to clear his name from being a 'liar' by being a 'murderer'. Makes no sense whatsoever.
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I am quite surprised that there is not OUTRAGE at innocent civilians being caught up in gunfire on TWO separate occasions! Media is downplaying this civilian shooting situation while hyping the fear of the cop shooter.

MERKA! fuck yeah!

As long as it doesn't impede the average americans ability to eat tacos, drink beer and watch American Idol, then they don''t care.
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What are the chances this will go on for a few weeks.

Terror all over the city.


Then presto, a drone is the thing that spots him and leads to his death or arrest.

This would set up a clamor from police Dept all over the country for them, and public acceptance of them.

Much like Sandy Hook, a operation intended to strip rights and promote a the police state.
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As bullets tore through the cabin, the two women "covered their faces and huddled down," Jonas said. "They felt like it was going on forever."

Hernandez was shot twice in her back and is expected to recover. Her daughter escaped with only minor wounds from broken glass.

Though Beck said he does not doubt the women did not hear any verbal commands, he emphasized that it was still possible the officers did attempt to stop the vehicle before opening fire. And, while not commenting specifically on this shooting, Beck said it was not difficult to imagine how officers who were already on edge could make the mistake these officers did.

"As an officer, you look for cues. You know how someone drives normally and then you see someone coming at you slowly, driving in the middle of the street, stopping and starting. That can be misinterpreted," he said.

Beck said he had not yet received a detailed briefing, which typically occurs a few days after officer-involved shootings to give investigators time to collect evidence and put together the basic summary of what happened. But he did say that the gunfire occurred in two bursts: The first came from an officer positioned down the block from the LAPD official's residence, and the second when Carranza accelerated away from the gunfire and toward other officers.

After the investigation is completed, Beck and an oversight board will decide if officers were justified in the shooting or made mistakes that warrant either punishment or training.

Jonas estimated that the officers fired between 20 and 30 rounds. Photographs of the back of the truck showed at least two dozen bullet holes. Neighbors, however, suggested there were more shots fired.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320

Officers fired possibly more than 20-30 rounds at an unarmed, sitting duck target only wounding one completely unprepared person??? And the man they are looking for is highly trained?? I bet they're literally quaking in their boots...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25732701




Goes to show how accurate policemen AREN'T with their shooting skills - just like in the movies....... Thank God their shooting sucks! At least in this case.....
 Quoting: BunnyGirl


We have proof that they are lying about the number of rounds.

I count 47 bullet holes in the back of this truck.

:CDTruck1:
 Quoting: CowboyEE


I read in LA newspaper that the reason most of the bullets did not hit the two women is because of the newspapers they were delivering which were in the back of the truck.

I am truly trouble by this image of the "BACK" of a vehicle being covered in bullet holes.

Also, another truck, soon after was rammed by a police car and his front windshield shot at.

I believe the LAPD needs to stand down and let the FBI and Feds take care of this now. They have too much fear and are too reactive, which is seriously clouding their professionalism and judgement.

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These idiots made the mistake of identifying a blue tacoma for a gray titan?

Did they put the dumbest cops on the planet at these guys house?


Here is another thing. Why does this cop deserve such a huge protection setup? If a normal person is on the supposed "list" they won't get shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26646277


Keep in mind that they rammed a Black Honda Ridgeline causing airbag deployment then shot three rounds through the windshield where the suspects head should have been.

When the open the door, it was not the suspect. This happened 10 minutes after the Toyota Tacoma was shot up.
 Quoting: CowboyEE


What the hell? A ridgeline is super distinctive. Nobody could misidentify a Ridgeline for a Titan.
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I am very interested in how many people are throwing around the term "mentally unstable" and it is not in reference to men who go around beating unarmed mentally ill or elderly people. curious indeed
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That's a very good point. You see that police officer in this story likely is/was mentally unstable. Some sort of power complex going on, that prevented him from making just, fair and rationale decisions on the job. This former police officer that is being hunted down is likely mentally unstable and the police department that he worked for fired him for it. So he wants "revenge". I hope some people here are getting it. The very thing that you are all upset about...the wrong people wearing a uniform is what is the issue here. For some reason some of you just don't see that this Donner guy is not the kind of guy we want wearing a police uniform. The LAPD are not always the "bad guys".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11748687


Wow have you missed the boat on this! The point of this whole thing is there is NO evidence nor any claimed evidence other than a friggin internet post. This guy has been tried and prosecuted by the media on nothing more than an internet post. And based on that internet post we have police opening fire on innocent people and searching house to house and pulling over searching vehicles on the freeways. THAT is the point. btw just for your benefit I'll repeat here - Dorner received many awards from both the Navy and also from LAPD - how would he get these awards if he mentally unstable.

You need to study a bit deeper and think seriously how any of this story can possibly affect your future or the future of your friends and family if cops are allowed to search without warrant and open fire without identifying what they are shooting at, people are guilty without trial and no evidence required.
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These people are dealing with a mentally unstable man. They want a solution to the problem - a mentally unstable man, who has threatened to harm the families of police officers and has acted on his threat. The officers involved in this case are not worried about what you think. I know that is hard for you to understand- Sarcasm intended. You don't need to understand the whole case and their choices and yes those, choices will be defended in court, if it even gets that far.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11748687


If Chris Dorner is really out there. I highly doubt he is mentally unstable. What the LAPD doesn't understand is that so many people have been the victoms of the corruption, that these victoms are likely to join in the Battle. LAPD have started a war that they may not be able to win.
 Quoting: CowboyEE



That's where this story is interesting. We have a man who claims he was a victim (Chris Donner). We don't know if he was/is a victim or not, maybe he just perceived himself to be a victim? Ever heard of Borderline Personality Disorder? I'm just saying that you have the whole of the LAPD against one man. A lot of people are assuming that he is a victim. If he actually were a "victim" do you think there would be this kind of scenario or response. I get that there is a lot we don't know and that we perceive the LAPD to be the "bad guys". That does not mean that they actually are. We don't know the truth. The LAPD and surrounding officers know what they are dealing with more than we do.

A man who is killing innocent victims is not mentally unstable???? There is no logic to this statement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11748687


My point is that we do not know anything to be true about Chris, Did he murder the daughter and her boyfriend of the Captain that headed up his dismissal from the LAPD?

Was it Chris that shot the cops that night?

What we do know is that LAPD opened Fire on two different trucks that morning without positive identification of the occupants. This is a fact that we have all types of Media, photographic evidence and LAPD acknowledgement.

:CDTruck1:

Count the Bullet Holes!!!!

What would your arguments be if it were you driving a truck that morning????? GET IT!!!!!
 Quoting: CowboyEE


I will admit that i don't know that part of the story. We will never know the whole story or if any part is true. This is life. I know that there are a bunch of police officers that are trying to protect their families and although I don't necessarily "like" police officers either and think that a lot of them have superiority complexes that preclude them from doing their job in a fair and just manner, I can understand that I would not want a man out there that threatened to harm my family.

I know firsthand of a family that is being protected by the Orange County PD. The person is just an aquaintence and I don't even "like" the person that I know from the family, but I believe that the story is true, based on this firsthand knowledge. I don't think it's a hoax or conspiracy, just a bunch of people who are going to protect their families. Period.

Just an FYI, people.
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We're getting very close to this.

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I am very interested in how many people are throwing around the term "mentally unstable" and it is not in reference to men who go around beating unarmed mentally ill or elderly people. curious indeed
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25732701



That's a very good point. You see that police officer in this story likely is/was mentally unstable. Some sort of power complex going on, that prevented him from making just, fair and rationale decisions on the job. This former police officer that is being hunted down is likely mentally unstable and the police department that he worked for fired him for it. So he wants "revenge". I hope some people here are getting it. The very thing that you are all upset about...the wrong people wearing a uniform is what is the issue here. For some reason some of you just don't see that this Donner guy is not the kind of guy we want wearing a police uniform. The LAPD are not always the "bad guys".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11748687


Wow have you missed the boat on this! The point of this whole thing is there is NO evidence nor any claimed evidence other than a friggin internet post. This guy has been tried and prosecuted by the media on nothing more than an internet post. And based on that internet post we have police opening fire on innocent people and searching house to house and pulling over searching vehicles on the freeways. THAT is the point. btw just for your benefit I'll repeat here - Dorner received many awards from both the Navy and also from LAPD - how would he get these awards if he mentally unstable.

You need to study a bit deeper and think seriously how any of this story can possibly affect your future or the future of your friends and family if cops are allowed to search without warrant and open fire without identifying what they are shooting at, people are guilty without trial and no evidence required.
 Quoting: BunnyGirl



I understand your point. The PD should have to prove that the guy killed the people they claimed he killed, first, before they go out shooting at him. My point is that I have a little more faith in the PD then that. That perhaps they have the proof? Perhaps not.
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The police are once again terrroizing the population.

Shooting at women and random vehicles in their quest to protect themselves.

It is funny, the civilian population is not the target of Dorner. But the police are, and that makes them show their true colors.

They dont care who gets hurt in the process of finding this man.
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As bullets tore through the cabin, the two women "covered their faces and huddled down," Jonas said. "They felt like it was going on forever."

Hernandez was shot twice in her back and is expected to recover. Her daughter escaped with only minor wounds from broken glass.

Though Beck said he does not doubt the women did not hear any verbal commands, he emphasized that it was still possible the officers did attempt to stop the vehicle before opening fire. And, while not commenting specifically on this shooting, Beck said it was not difficult to imagine how officers who were already on edge could make the mistake these officers did.

"As an officer, you look for cues. You know how someone drives normally and then you see someone coming at you slowly, driving in the middle of the street, stopping and starting. That can be misinterpreted," he said.

Beck said he had not yet received a detailed briefing, which typically occurs a few days after officer-involved shootings to give investigators time to collect evidence and put together the basic summary of what happened. But he did say that the gunfire occurred in two bursts: The first came from an officer positioned down the block from the LAPD official's residence, and the second when Carranza accelerated away from the gunfire and toward other officers.

After the investigation is completed, Beck and an oversight board will decide if officers were justified in the shooting or made mistakes that warrant either punishment or training.

Jonas estimated that the officers fired between 20 and 30 rounds. Photographs of the back of the truck showed at least two dozen bullet holes. Neighbors, however, suggested there were more shots fired.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320

Officers fired possibly more than 20-30 rounds at an unarmed, sitting duck target only wounding one completely unprepared person??? And the man they are looking for is highly trained?? I bet they're literally quaking in their boots...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25732701




Goes to show how accurate policemen AREN'T with their shooting skills - just like in the movies....... Thank God their shooting sucks! At least in this case.....
 Quoting: BunnyGirl


We have proof that they are lying about the number of rounds.

I count 47 bullet holes in the back of this truck.

CDTruck1
 Quoting: CowboyEE


No doubt this is a shoot to kill standing order. They don't want this guy talking to anyone. Their shots were all over the place. Who trained these so called "professionals"?
"And it really didn't have to stop...it just kept on going."
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Chocolate Rambo will single-handedly bring down the NWO
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Maybe he went rogue because he was getting threats on his life, after exhausting the system with no justice if he started getting retaliation threats and death threats maybe he figured to become the hunter instead of the hunted?

Dunno - it all just doesn't add up.
What does though is that the police protect themselves, nobody else.
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This is the Deposition of the Mentally Ill individual that Chris reported was Kicked in the Face by then Officer Teresa Evans after he was cuffed. This individual was at a Doubletree Hotel, sitting on a bench, but was not a guest. A call went into the police to remove him from the hotel.

Here is the case file:

[link to leaksource.wordpress.com]

The LAPD found that Chris was lying about Teresa Evans kicking this gentleman because his testimony was not consistent. Chris claimed he was kicked 2 times in the clavical, and once in the face. Notice that the person asking the questions only asks how many times he was kicked in the face. The answer was 1. However the individual could not remember a description of the female officer.



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The LAPD street gang is out for blood.

Regular people are advised to stay indoors and not drive unless an emergency.


Normally the LAPD street gang is more inclined to steal, harass and arrest than to kill. But due to one man whom got angry and is fighting back, the gang has gone rabid.

There is no one able to face this gang at this time. Aiding and abetting Dorner in any way would be brave but foolish for any commoners.

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I am very interested in how many people are throwing around the term "mentally unstable" and it is not in reference to men who go around beating unarmed mentally ill or elderly people. curious indeed
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25732701



That's a very good point. You see that police officer in this story likely is/was mentally unstable. Some sort of power complex going on, that prevented him from making just, fair and rationale decisions on the job. This former police officer that is being hunted down is likely mentally unstable and the police department that he worked for fired him for it. So he wants "revenge". I hope some people here are getting it. The very thing that you are all upset about...the wrong people wearing a uniform is what is the issue here. For some reason some of you just don't see that this Donner guy is not the kind of guy we want wearing a police uniform. The LAPD are not always the "bad guys".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11748687


Yup, apparently "good LA cops" do exist and then they speak out about corruption, get fired, and pursue every legal avenue to bring said corruption to light with no success.

How many LA cops were involved in the Rodney King beating? 4 and all of them were acquitted. How many cops in Fullerton beat homeless, mentally ill Kelly Thomas to death in 2011? 9. Charges only being brought on 3 of them. I hope justice serves poor Kelly Thomas that cried like a baby for his retired LAPD dad while he was being brutally beaten to death.

California has a cop problem and it was alive and well before Mr. Dorner came around.
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...

Officers fired possibly more than 20-30 rounds at an unarmed, sitting duck target only wounding one completely unprepared person??? And the man they are looking for is highly trained?? I bet they're literally quaking in their boots...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25732701




Goes to show how accurate policemen AREN'T with their shooting skills - just like in the movies....... Thank God their shooting sucks! At least in this case.....
 Quoting: BunnyGirl


We have proof that they are lying about the number of rounds.

I count 47 bullet holes in the back of this truck.

CDTruck1
 Quoting: CowboyEE


No doubt this is a shoot to kill standing order. They don't want this guy talking to anyone. Their shots were all over the place. Who trained these so called "professionals"?
 Quoting: TheTruthMonger



There is its called a Blue Alert

Thread: "Blue Alert" Secret Police Kill Order? LAPD, CHP Shoot on Sight Directive
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I am very interested in how many people are throwing around the term "mentally unstable" and it is not in reference to men who go around beating unarmed mentally ill or elderly people. curious indeed
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25732701



That's a very good point. You see that police officer in this story likely is/was mentally unstable. Some sort of power complex going on, that prevented him from making just, fair and rationale decisions on the job. This former police officer that is being hunted down is likely mentally unstable and the police department that he worked for fired him for it. So he wants "revenge". I hope some people here are getting it. The very thing that you are all upset about...the wrong people wearing a uniform is what is the issue here. For some reason some of you just don't see that this Donner guy is not the kind of guy we want wearing a police uniform. The LAPD are not always the "bad guys".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11748687


Wow have you missed the boat on this! The point of this whole thing is there is NO evidence nor any claimed evidence other than a friggin internet post. This guy has been tried and prosecuted by the media on nothing more than an internet post. And based on that internet post we have police opening fire on innocent people and searching house to house and pulling over searching vehicles on the freeways. THAT is the point. btw just for your benefit I'll repeat here - Dorner received many awards from both the Navy and also from LAPD - how would he get these awards if he mentally unstable.

You need to study a bit deeper and think seriously how any of this story can possibly affect your future or the future of your friends and family if cops are allowed to search without warrant and open fire without identifying what they are shooting at, people are guilty without trial and no evidence required.
 Quoting: BunnyGirl



I understand your point. The PD should have to prove that the guy killed the people they claimed he killed, first, before they go out shooting at him. My point is that I have a little more faith in the PD then that. That perhaps they have the proof? Perhaps not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11748687


Perhaps they do - what they are telling the public makes no sense at all. What we know so far would not stand up in court. All that has happened is they have caused mass fear and panic because they believe an internet post from a highly suspicious facebook account. Innocent people have been hurt and thank God they weren't killed.
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Excellent FB find OP. Let's not forget the woman who said she was married to him for 8 days/one month...(conflicting stories)saying he was crazy...and that Dorner himself said he would NEVER be found. This "crazy vigil-anti on the run with social disorders" hummmm...reminds me of looking for Bin Laden all over again....
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I am very interested in how many people are throwing around the term "mentally unstable" and it is not in reference to men who go around beating unarmed mentally ill or elderly people. curious indeed
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25732701



That's a very good point. You see that police officer in this story likely is/was mentally unstable. Some sort of power complex going on, that prevented him from making just, fair and rationale decisions on the job. This former police officer that is being hunted down is likely mentally unstable and the police department that he worked for fired him for it. So he wants "revenge". I hope some people here are getting it. The very thing that you are all upset about...the wrong people wearing a uniform is what is the issue here. For some reason some of you just don't see that this Donner guy is not the kind of guy we want wearing a police uniform. The LAPD are not always the "bad guys".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11748687


Wow have you missed the boat on this! The point of this whole thing is there is NO evidence nor any claimed evidence other than a friggin internet post. This guy has been tried and prosecuted by the media on nothing more than an internet post. And based on that internet post we have police opening fire on innocent people and searching house to house and pulling over searching vehicles on the freeways. THAT is the point. btw just for your benefit I'll repeat here - Dorner received many awards from both the Navy and also from LAPD - how would he get these awards if he mentally unstable.

You need to study a bit deeper and think seriously how any of this story can possibly affect your future or the future of your friends and family if cops are allowed to search without warrant and open fire without identifying what they are shooting at, people are guilty without trial and no evidence required.
 Quoting: BunnyGirl



I understand your point. The PD should have to prove that the guy killed the people they claimed he killed, first, before they go out shooting at him. My point is that I have a little more faith in the PD then that. That perhaps they have the proof? Perhaps not.
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your mentality is exactly what the desired police state prescribes....
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The LAPD street gang is out for blood.

Regular people are advised to stay indoors and not drive unless an emergency.


Normally the LAPD street gang is more inclined to steal, harass and arrest than to kill. But due to one man whom got angry and is fighting back, the gang has gone rabid.

There is no one able to face this gang at this time. Aiding and abetting Dorner in any way would be brave but foolish for any commoners.

This is just advice
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Oh you just reminded me - I read somewhere yesterday that people are hanging banners offering Dorner food, water and ammo. Does anyone out there have any pics of that? I meant to chase that down yesterday and got caught up down the rabbit hole.
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Does anyone know for sure which manifesto is real - the long or the short one? I mean, not your opinion, but has law enforcement made a comment about the 2 different versions? KTLA is stil claiming the short version:
[link to ktla.com]

As far as the evidence against Dorner, its routine for law enforcement to not share a lot of their evidence with the public while an investigation is ongoing, and for good reasons. Thats no different in this case. That doesnt mean its not ok to ask questions, but dont expect LAPD to plop out all the evidence for ya.





Personally I find it SERIOUSLY hard to believe that a man wants to clear his name from being a 'liar' by being a 'murderer'. Makes no sense whatsoever.
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Really?
and all this time, I thought that he was a rational thinking person with a sound plan!


No really, the statements he made about targeting and killing children and family should have been a clue to you that he wasnt in a justifiable and sound state of mind, if nothing else did ...
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Excellent FB find OP. Let's not forget the woman who said she was married to him for 8 days/one month...(conflicting stories)saying he was crazy...and that Dorner himself said he would NEVER be found. This "crazy vigil-anti on the run with social disorders" hummmm...reminds me of looking for Bin Laden all over again....
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Yes her story is quite suspicious. If she was so freaked about him why then is he still doing yardwork for her?
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As bullets tore through the cabin, the two women "covered their faces and huddled down," Jonas said. "They felt like it was going on forever."

Hernandez was shot twice in her back and is expected to recover. Her daughter escaped with only minor wounds from broken glass.

Though Beck said he does not doubt the women did not hear any verbal commands, he emphasized that it was still possible the officers did attempt to stop the vehicle before opening fire. And, while not commenting specifically on this shooting, Beck said it was not difficult to imagine how officers who were already on edge could make the mistake these officers did.

"As an officer, you look for cues. You know how someone drives normally and then you see someone coming at you slowly, driving in the middle of the street, stopping and starting. That can be misinterpreted," he said.

Beck said he had not yet received a detailed briefing, which typically occurs a few days after officer-involved shootings to give investigators time to collect evidence and put together the basic summary of what happened. But he did say that the gunfire occurred in two bursts: The first came from an officer positioned down the block from the LAPD official's residence, and the second when Carranza accelerated away from the gunfire and toward other officers.

After the investigation is completed, Beck and an oversight board will decide if officers were justified in the shooting or made mistakes that warrant either punishment or training.

Jonas estimated that the officers fired between 20 and 30 rounds. Photographs of the back of the truck showed at least two dozen bullet holes. Neighbors, however, suggested there were more shots fired.
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Officers fired possibly more than 20-30 rounds at an unarmed, sitting duck target only wounding one completely unprepared person??? And the man they are looking for is highly trained?? I bet they're literally quaking in their boots...
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Goes to show how accurate policemen AREN'T with their shooting skills - just like in the movies....... Thank God their shooting sucks! At least in this case.....
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We have proof that they are lying about the number of rounds.

I count 47 bullet holes in the back of this truck.

CDTruck1
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The newspapers were resisting arrest.
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Not long ago on ABC News 24 that three former members of Dorner's old Navy unit have gone to LA and possibly joined him.
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That's a very good point. You see that police officer in this story likely is/was mentally unstable. Some sort of power complex going on, that prevented him from making just, fair and rationale decisions on the job. This former police officer that is being hunted down is likely mentally unstable and the police department that he worked for fired him for it. So he wants "revenge". I hope some people here are getting it. The very thing that you are all upset about...the wrong people wearing a uniform is what is the issue here. For some reason some of you just don't see that this Donner guy is not the kind of guy we want wearing a police uniform. The LAPD are not always the "bad guys".
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Wow have you missed the boat on this! The point of this whole thing is there is NO evidence nor any claimed evidence other than a friggin internet post. This guy has been tried and prosecuted by the media on nothing more than an internet post. And based on that internet post we have police opening fire on innocent people and searching house to house and pulling over searching vehicles on the freeways. THAT is the point. btw just for your benefit I'll repeat here - Dorner received many awards from both the Navy and also from LAPD - how would he get these awards if he mentally unstable.

You need to study a bit deeper and think seriously how any of this story can possibly affect your future or the future of your friends and family if cops are allowed to search without warrant and open fire without identifying what they are shooting at, people are guilty without trial and no evidence required.
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I understand your point. The PD should have to prove that the guy killed the people they claimed he killed, first, before they go out shooting at him. My point is that I have a little more faith in the PD then that. That perhaps they have the proof? Perhaps not.
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Perhaps they do - what they are telling the public makes no sense at all. What we know so far would not stand up in court. All that has happened is they have caused mass fear and panic because they believe an internet post from a highly suspicious facebook account. Innocent people have been hurt and thank God they weren't killed.
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The media does not exist to inform you or I of the truth. They are all just businesses that sell us stories. You know that, that's why you are here. We can't extrapolate the truth from a bunch of media stories. The people closest to the scene are the only people who even have a chance at getting at or knowing the truth and sometimes you "know" something is true, but you can't prove it. It's not like this guy is cheating on his taxes. He is killing people. If this is something that the cops know, then they are not going to care what you think. You are very concerned about his rights, but what about the people that he is killing? What about their rights? They don't want to die, because this guy wants to use them as a venue for his revenge. Sometimes you just need to let people do their jobs.