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The TREE of LIFE ... what do you think it is?

 
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What part of "I feel they most likely" Was unclear to you.. So come on out in layman's terms and tell everyone.. I'm not here to get in a pissing match with you or anyone else. I was trying to help the seeing blind. As far as your response goes you know what it is fine have you [reached] out your hand and eaten of it? I think not (Again key word think not know) if so I Think you would have seen what I was doing and not went on the offense. I know nothing and please forgive my trespass and a memory is what I try to keep away from.. Slowly backing away now. And please keep your foot on the serpent for us all.
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I am seriously trying to make sense of what you have written here, with the correction, but I still cannot grasp what you are trying to say.

I have clearly explained it in layman's terms in a previous note that the "Tree of Life" is the Vision of the "Son of man" and the "Vision of Knowledge" and the "Night Journey" and the "sidrah tree".

It occurs by means of a time-reversal of consciousness which intersects with another time-reversal of consciousness, the Revelation of the "resurrection"; which includes the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

That is the extent that your response allows me to describe.

Michael
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I ment not to correct just a rebuttal on my behalf. My post with the lyrics above this comment of yours describes everything you have just stated. Some say the same things it's left to the interpreter. I'm not going to try to pick through everything and waste anyone's time. As when I mentioned tasting death and you wrote not according to Jesus however he did say that unless you are reborn which in order to be one must firstly die. Again I leave it to the interpreter.
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Have you ever read any of Kierkegaard?

In one of his writings he describes the difference between a "knight of faith" and a poet. The poet has been given the ability to describe the reality of the "knight of faith"; but that does not mean that he or she can walk that path, simply because he or she is capable of describing it.

On the other hand, "the knight of faith" most often does not have the words to describe what he or she is doing because they are completely consumed in the act of walking that path.

As Morpheus says to Neo in The Matrix, "Knowing the path and walking the path are two different things", or words to that effect.

Now both the poet and the person who walks the path are necessary; but they are different and complementary.

The problem arises--and I have been in this discussion before--when a poet claims to have Knowledge about something that he or she is only capable of describing one step removed from it.

Not sure that this makes any sense.

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What part of "I feel they most likely" Was unclear to you.. So come on out in layman's terms and tell everyone.. I'm not here to get in a pissing match with you or anyone else. I was trying to help the seeing blind. As far as your response goes you know what it is fine have you [reached] out your hand and eaten of it? I think not (Again key word think not know) if so I Think you would have seen what I was doing and not went on the offense. I know nothing and please forgive my trespass and a memory is what I try to keep away from.. Slowly backing away now. And please keep your foot on the serpent for us all.
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I am seriously trying to make sense of what you have written here, with the correction, but I still cannot grasp what you are trying to say.

I have clearly explained it in layman's terms in a previous note that the "Tree of Life" is the Vision of the "Son of man" and the "Vision of Knowledge" and the "Night Journey" and the "sidrah tree".

It occurs by means of a time-reversal of consciousness which intersects with another time-reversal of consciousness, the Revelation of the "resurrection"; which includes the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

That is the extent that your response allows me to describe.

Michael
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I ment not to correct just a rebuttal on my behalf. My post with the lyrics above this comment of yours describes everything you have just stated. Some say the same things it's left to the interpreter. I'm not going to try to pick through everything and waste anyone's time. As when I mentioned tasting death and you wrote not according to Jesus however he did say that unless you are reborn which in order to be one must firstly die. Again I leave it to the interpreter.
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Have you ever read any of Kierkegaard?

In one of his writings he describes the difference between a "knight of faith" and a poet. The poet has been given the ability to describe the reality of the "knight of faith"; but that does not mean that he or she can walk that path, simply because he or she is capable of describing it.

On the other hand, "the knight of faith" most often does not have the words to describe what he or she is doing because they are completely consumed in the act of walking that path.

As Morpheus says to Neo in The Matrix, "Knowing the path and walking the path are two different things", or words to that effect.

Now both the poet and the person who walks the path are necessary; but they are different and complementary.

The problem arises--and I have been in this discussion before--when a poet claims to have Knowledge about something that he or she is only capable of describing one step removed from it.

Not sure that this makes any sense.

Michael
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Nice, I'm not here to disagree with anyone all life has come through the Matrix. Knowledge the more I know the less I want to.. Men should not be judged on what they don't know but what they claim to..As for me I know nothing..

Now wheres that shovel and bell..
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Jesus is The Tree of Life.

Lucifer is The Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil.
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There is some bad asses in here...Michael.Pi,couple others this is not an insult.tounge
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There is some bad asses in here...Michael.Pi,couple others this is not an insult.tounge
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Sorry, "There "ARE" some bad asses..."
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Men should not be judged on what they don't know but what they claim to..
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I have to disagree.

For more than 1500 years, people claiming to know what the Teaching of Jesus is taught doctrines which they had concocted on their own.

Those doctrines--not the Teaching of Jesus--resulted in hundreds of thousands of Jews being exterminated as a consequence of Christian anti-Semitism.

Then there was the Holocaust.

And, today, people who still do not know what the Teaching of Jesus is are foaming at the mouth for a genocideal war in the Middle East under the assumption that they will not even be here when it happens, having been 'Raptured'.

Thus, they are absolutely undeterred in their incitement of such a war.

And you say that they "should not be judged"?

Then who should be judged, if not them?

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Is OK better than,there do be some bad asses..I have got to reformat this laptop it stops intermittently while I'm typing.
I dislike incorrect grammar but in a statement like that I try not to be so serious however you did miss there should have been a comma after Michael instead of a period. I will try to leave some errors and you can be my spell check thank you.
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Men should not be judged on what they don't know but what they claim to..
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I have to disagree.

For more than 1500 years, people claiming to know what the Teaching of Jesus is taught doctrines which they had concocted on their own.

Those doctrines--not the Teaching of Jesus--resulted in hundreds of thousands of Jews being exterminated as a consequence of Christian anti-Semitism.

Then there was the Holocaust.

And, today, people who still do not know what the Teaching of Jesus is are foaming at the mouth for a genocideal war in the Middle East under the assumption that they will not even be here when it happens, having been 'Raptured'.

Thus, they are absolutely undeterred in their incitement of such a war.

And you say that they "should not be judged"?

Then who should be judged, if not them?

Michael
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But you did just agree I said what they claim to know just because they claim to know something does not make them right..It's what they think they know I think you got me backwards..People suffer for lack of knowledge right..Basically what the statement means hypothetically is If you know something lets say calculus and another does not you should not look down on them for not knowing it but if a man claimed he knows calculus and can not do a simple calculation well than. Or for example someone claims they can read music and cannot tell you what a 64th note is or explain time signatures. If you know more than others in a specific area do not judge people for what they don't know.
If you like to disagree that your decision. The statement is not of me...
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Yes, I'm a tad cranky, less tolerant, only having a few hours of sleep lately. "Typos" are things that become "pet peeves" when I miss my sleep time. Sorry. :)
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Oh, AND, No "flying away rapture"...
It's a lie.
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Yes, I'm a tad cranky, less tolerant, only having a few hours of sleep lately. "Typos" are things that become "pet peeves" when I miss my sleep time. Sorry. :)
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That's OK I missed an 's on my previous post too sorry like I said this craptop does not keep up with my typing speed. It's so bad that it spits the typed text out 30 secs after my it is very aggravating. Just bear with me it will be fixed.
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Yes, I'm a tad cranky, less tolerant, only having a few hours of sleep lately. "Typos" are things that become "pet peeves" when I miss my sleep time. Sorry. :)
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That's OK I missed an 's on my previous post too sorry like I said this craptop does not keep up with my typing speed. It's so bad that it spits the typed text out 30 secs after my it is very aggravating. Just bear with me it will be fixed.
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Just like it left out a whole word up there..30 seconds after my TYPING it...
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Father God IS Judge Almighty...Not man. :)

Jesus is The Tree of Life.

Lucifer is The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
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The Double Helix of our DNA sequence...
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."
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Knowing: of the analytic small mind (mind-mind, closed around itself)

Heart waking --> wisdom, true love (unconditional, gate opener), inside gazing

Heart + higher mind --> Insight (inner sight, seeing the essence of all manifest), intuition, true One-connected, BEing true

From there the Tree start to be experienced, beyond senses and language
Can at best be transferred from awareness to awareness in non-linear ways, crystals of wisdom

Just some ponderings in it all

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I know where you are coming from "2123".
It's all good, 'cept for that dang "spell check" interference.
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A flame goes forth that's about all I can say here.
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to understand what the tree of life is ....we will eventually find that where it is is important ....

it is WITHIN the box ...or within the gated garden ....

within the box/garden are many trees ....which are all edible ...including the tree of knowledge even though the Lord does not want others eating of it ....

the garden/box is similar to the New Jerusalem/box (gated city)

we begin our journey in one and end our journey in the other ...

the garden requires sun and moon ....the NJ does not ....

we are The Box ...the 4 walls of the box are the 4 systems of the world .....religions, governments, education, monetary

TREE means backbone but more importantly at its root it means "to close the eyes shut" .....

whether you think of any tree be it life or knowledge it means to CLOSE THE EYES SHUT .....

life/death both produce eyes closed .....

the FIRE/flaming swords must be passed out through to begin the journey .....

get out of the TREES ...out of the RIVERS.....out of the BOOK ..... meaning "OUT OF THE BOX"....

only then does man stop being REVIVED, REPLENISHED, REINCARNATED,

the dual swords of flaming fire .....are as the fires of HADES ...which means "to open the eyes wide" ....

the immortals are no longer as the nations eating the leaves of the trees for their healing .......

the immortal are healed ...with eyes wide open .....no more firm of back bone .....and blind in eye .....

the immortals have eaten of the tree ....been to the wedding supper ...and eaten all the flesh upon the carcass ....

they are a new creation .....clothed in the flesh of WORD ....that Word that was in beginning and in end .....

her name is TRUTH .....and she fell into the earth as knowledge by which men perish for lack of ......she raises to understanding to be gained of men ...and cherished as wisdom ......

i am come to testify to TRUTH in all her fallen forms .....SHE as TRUTH is my wife .....the flesh i am clothed in .....
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The general assumption around here (?) appears to be that Truth is like a game of horse-shoes, in which "close" actually counts for something.

Doesn't work in math.

Why would it work with regards to Truth?

The consciousness of the "self" and the consciousness of the 'thinker' always have something to say to ignore, trivialize, deny, contradict or otherwise distract away from the Truth in one way or another.

Not because they actually have anything to say; but only because they must say something to prevent the Truth from being paid any attention to.

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The consciousness of the "self" and the consciousness of the 'thinker' always have something to say to ignore, trivialize, deny, contradict or otherwise distract away from the Truth in one way or another.

Not because they actually have anything to say; but only because they must say something to prevent the Truth from being paid any attention to.

Michael
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Is a symbol of the communion of man with the divine.
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michael why is it that you seems to think you are going some place .....
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Is a symbol of the communion of man with the divine.
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Yes it is...


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michael why is it that you seems to think you are going some place .....
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Not really going anywhere; not moving at all.

Ever read Einstein's Theory of Relativity?

Motion is relative.

I would say that I am standing absolutely still and that it is the consciousness of the "self" and the consciousness of the 'thinker' that are 'moving'.

The "self" 'moves' by the 'movement' of self-reflection.

The 'thinker' moves by creating the concept of time.

The Vision of the "Son of man" is, on the one hand, the absolute stoppage of time.

Absolute.

The Revelation of the "resurrection" involves a time-reversal well as a time acceleration through memories of previous lives up until the present; elastic time, perhaps; or bi-directional time as opposed to the arrow of time going only in one direction by the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

Michael

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michael why is it that you seems to think you are going some place .....
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Not really going anywhere; not moving at all.

Ever read Einstein's Theory of Relativity?

Motion is relative.

I would say that I am standing absolutely still and that it is the consciousness of the "self" and the consciousness of the 'thinker' that are 'moving'.

The "self" 'moves' by the 'movement' of self-reflection.

The 'thinker' moves by creating the concept of time.

The Vision of the "Son of man" is, on the one hand, the absolute stoppage of time.

Absolute.

The Revelation of the "resurrection" involves a time-reversal well as a time acceleration through memories of previous lives up until the present; elastic time, perhaps; or bi-directional time as opposed to the arrow of time going only in one direction by the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

Michael
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Not even close.

If anyone wants to see a representation of the Vision of the "Son of man"/"Night Journey" of Mohammed (including the acoustical and the phonetic tones conveyed) and a representation of the Knowledge conveyed by that Vision--and the precise meaning of the word "representation" being conveyed only in an oral Teaching--watch the following video:

[link to www.youtube.com]

(If someone could embed that video it would be helpful.)

Beginning at time segment 0:30, for example, the lights are emerging out of a 2-dimensional 'flat' space, which represents the 2-dimensional 'flat' space consciousness by which that Knowledge is conveyed and out of which that Knowledge emerges by means of Revelation.

Michael

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Not even close.

If anyone wants to see a representation of the Vision of the "Son of man"/"Night Journey" of Mohammed (including the acoustical and the phonetic tones conveyed) and a representation of the Knowledge conveyed by that Vision--and the precise meaning of the word "representation" being conveyed only in an oral Teaching--watch the following video:



(If someone could embed that video it would be helpful.)

Beginning at time segment 0:30, for example, the lights are emerging out of a 2-dimensional 'flat' space, which represents the 2-dimensional 'flat' space consciousness by which that Knowledge is conveyed and out of which that Knowledge emerges by means of Revelation.

Michael
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LoL Michael...

I was into a Tree of Life metaphor.

Not hunting down the consciousness of Son of Man or Mohammed.

Everyone sees what their eyes sees...
Not my business to see through everyone-s eyes.


Have a funny day.


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Not even close.

If anyone wants to see a representation of the Vision of the "Son of man"/"Night Journey" of Mohammed (including the acoustical and the phonetic tones conveyed) and a representation of the Knowledge conveyed by that Vision--and the precise meaning of the word "representation" being conveyed only in an oral Teaching--watch the following video:



(If someone could embed that video it would be helpful.)

Beginning at time segment 0:30, for example, the lights are emerging out of a 2-dimensional 'flat' space, which represents the 2-dimensional 'flat' space consciousness by which that Knowledge is conveyed and out of which that Knowledge emerges by means of Revelation.

Michael
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LoL Michael...

I was into a Tree of Life metaphor.

Not hunting down the consciousness of Son of Man or Mohammed.

Everyone sees what their eyes sees...
Not my business to see through everyone-s eyes.


Have a funny day.


rex
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Hey, thanks so much for the embed of the video.

"Tree of Life", "Son of man", "Night Journey", same thing.

Michael
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You are welcome, Michael.

Always wondered how is it to be in the core of a black hole... would i be One-Dimensional ?


Every Tree has a core... every leaf... and every fruit...


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