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The TREE of LIFE ... what do you think it is?

 
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Michael ....first let me say that i appreciate your thoughtful response ....

it appears to me that what you are describing as reversal of time ....and traveling the past lives is an appropriate thought process of The Revelation ....

i will suggest to you that after this has come to an end ....it will be as that which is written in the Rev. 22:13 ...of beginning and end ....alpha and omega ...first and last ....

after this collapse of time, space and distance .....it is as the sun and moon going dark .... in the temple of no time, distance and space .....they are not needed ...

they are required for the soulish man ....solar moon ...solo mon .....

we in this now are the new creation .....no more as that which is spoken of in trees....in rivers or in books .....

no more do we seek our self as the self seek itself ....

the aleph in the dam, adam, is set free .....no more trapped as aleph in bags of blood ..or in dams ....stagnant always self searching and never finding ...

or said another way ...no more bushes burning and not being consumed ...finally consumed ....and the burning bags of spinning illusionary light Adam no more ....after the last Adam comes the new creation ....

just sharing...
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Diagram of God's hologram.
Overstand, this isn't a sermon from the hill, but a 'Trespassers Will Be Shot' Sign.
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i don't have the energy to keep reading. was the answer ever given?
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You do know the difference between the modern E8 structure and the ancient Kabbalah Tree of Life, don't you?

Why do you always do that - changing others' input to try to fit your own E8 and Gematria patterns?

What will your next obsession be that you attempt to tie everything into? If you don't know, maybe you should become aware in order to know what you're getting yourself into.
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1dunno1

Sorry dear, just trying to help.

As above, so below...

I could demonstrate how the E8 absolutely fits the Sacred Geometry and how Sacred Geometry expands E8, and how I believe that Sacred Geometry will revolutionize maths for this reason.

But I don't want to be "changing other's input" after all...

Just showing the structure. Those diagrams took a lot of work. Maybe people ought to be more appreciative of variable input, rather than defaulting to the frankly ridiculous and whiny assertion that "I am trying to change other's input."

I don't give "red karma" Cat, but here's one in spirit...

...

On second thought...

E8TripleTree

There it is, dear.

3 trees.

As above, so below.

Now won't you tell me how I am "forcing" everything into the E8?

Give me a fucking break...

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You do know the difference between the modern E8 structure and the ancient Kabbalah Tree of Life, don't you?

Why do you always do that - changing others' input to try to fit your own E8 and Gematria patterns?

What will your next obsession be that you attempt to tie everything into? If you don't know, maybe you should become aware in order to know what you're getting yourself into.
 Quoting: Deaf Cat in the Blue Hat


Give me a fucking break...


 Quoting: Axo Azeratel


PS

I am feeling spiteful today.

So here ya go...

[link to www.gematrix.org]

Beam me up, Scotty...

[link to www.gematrix.org]

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Michael ....first let me say that i appreciate your thoughtful response ....

it appears to me that what you are describing as reversal of time ....and traveling the past lives is an appropriate thought process of The Revelation ....

i will suggest to you that after this has come to an end ....it will be as that which is written in the Rev. 22:13 ...of beginning and end ....alpha and omega ...first and last ....

after this collapse of time, space and distance .....it is as the sun and moon going dark .... in the temple of no time, distance and space .....they are not needed ...

they are required for the soulish man ....solar moon ...solo mon .....

we in this now are the new creation .....no more as that which is spoken of in trees....in rivers or in books .....

no more do we seek our self as the self seek itself ....

the aleph in the dam, adam, is set free .....no more trapped as aleph in bags of blood ..or in dams ....stagnant always self searching and never finding ...

or said another way ...no more bushes burning and not being consumed ...finally consumed ....and the burning bags of spinning illusionary light Adam no more ....after the last Adam comes the new creation ....

just sharing...
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Sure. Getting a somewhat clearer picture of what you are saying.

In response to which I would say: 'The Fall' cannot be time-reversed on a permanent basis. Time must eventually go forward again and in this time frame.

There will always be three dimensions of consciousness: 1) the consciousness Created by God; 2) the consciousness of the "self"; and, 3) the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

As long as you are cognitive--even in the depths of psychosis--there is at least a fragment of all dimensions of consciousness.

You seem to be suggesting some kind of a metaphysical entity which escapes from the physical reality itself.

That is not anywhere in the Torah, the Prophets, the Gospels or the Quran; it is an 'addition' of the religious authorities.

Michael
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i don't have the energy to keep reading. was the answer ever given?
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Not to everyone's satisfaction apparently.

Unity of culture, religion, science, and metaphysics can only take one so far....
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no metaphysical only the reversal of that which was before one was finds himself at the zero point singularity as the unity of one .....

the many, those with legionaires sickness, do not understand they are being led around by their eyes/I's illuminated by the light of the world (worldly light) ....they believe everything they see in through their eyes

in the awakening the lights of the world go out ....time reversal as you suggest ....

in the maturing of the awakened ones ..the light which is internal passes out thru the eye which is single ....changing the world ....

the many participate only in their existence .....the immortal ones participate in LIFE ....and can pass back and forth easily at will into their existence ..

in existence time is linear and forward moving ....and kind brings forth kind ...

in Life there is no time .....and one is every where present and no where absent ....

the immortal ones change the light of the world ...from that of fear and greed to love and that which love produces ....

this is metaphysical ..in this respect WORD is saving WORD and always drawing higher ......those with eyes to see and ears to hear ...
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no metaphysical only the reversal of that which was before one was finds himself at the zero point singularity as the unity of one .....

the many, those with legionaires sickness, do not understand they are being led around by their eyes/I's illuminated by the light of the world (worldly light) ....they believe everything they see in through their eyes

in the awakening the lights of the world go out ....time reversal as you suggest ....
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Time-reversal has several different meanings in this context; as a reversal of the 'fallen' consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker', as a reversal of historical time, and as a reversal of 'the Fall' to a point prior to self-reflection.

This is referred to as the Revelation of the Memory of Creation described in Chapter 2:7 of Genesis.

But there is another word which is used to describe that experience in terms of consciousness.

It is not a word devised by the 'thinker', because the 'thinker' cannot have any Knowledge of such consciousness but can only conjecture.

Nor is it a word devised by the "self" since the "self" deals in terms of images of spatiality, at least. That is of the very structure of its reality.

The word is "non-dualistic" as a description of the Revelation of the Memory of a particular type of consciousness. That is, there is an actual experience of Revelation behind the word "non-dualistic' beyond which no more words can pass because at that point we are at the level of phonetic tones rather than words.

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If any would please post this photo here

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^THIS^

No it's not the tree of knowledge either.5a
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My tree of life is the journey.

Imagine your entire life as a journey up a tree. Mostly you follow the main trunk but sometimes you go down a branch. Some people find comfort too easily down one branch or another and stay there.

Others keep going back to the trunk to continue their journeys.

The more branches one examines the more intelligent and enlightened one becomes. For some the branch endings are where they stay, whilst others want to experience further.

Eventually with perseverance and dedication you may climb high enough to see the top of the tree and the light.

The sky is the next part of your journey on the way to the light.

By seeing the light you have travelled further than most people and yet you still long to explore more.

The light is pure love... Seek the light from the highest part of the tree of life you can achieve.
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no tree moves ....it is that simple ..the tree of the living/life does not move ....that is why the serpent had to get out of it and eat dust from moving upon its belly ....

the way/journey thus began ..

next came the river of flowing head waters (living/life) ....which the fish must get out of ...

thus the way/journey continues....

then came the book of the living/life seen in The Revelation ...

thus the way/journey is finished ...

then comes the Son of Man ....

walking out of the CLOUDS of the book of parables .....from the way of living/life = EXISTENCE ....into LIFE ....the more abundant life ....of the new creation ...
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Well in some kabalah this world is named Malkuth or something and it is the lowest stage of the tree
I might be wrong though a 1000 interpretations are going around

Malkuth ("kingdom"; or Shekhinah, is the tenth of the sephirot in the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. It sits at the bottom of the Tree, below Yesod. This sephirah has as a symbol the Bride which relates to the sphere of Tipheret, symbolized by the Bridegroom.

Unlike the other nine sephirot, it is an attribute of God which does not emanate from God directly. Rather it emanates from God's creation—when that creation reflects and evinces God's glory from within itself.

Malkuth means Kingdom. It is associated with the realm of matter/earth and relates to the physical world, the planets and the solar system. It is important not to think of this sephirah as merely "unspiritual", for even though it is the emanation furthest from the divine source, it is still on the Tree of Life.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

It might be a mindfuck though dont eat it all raw

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Its appetite will of cause grow and grow, and then you point your finger at its hunger?
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no tree moves ....it is that simple ..the tree of the living/life does not move ....that is why the serpent had to get out of it and eat dust from moving upon its belly ....

the way/journey thus began ..

next came the river of flowing head waters (living/life) ....which the fish must get out of ...

thus the way/journey continues....

then came the book of the living/life seen in The Revelation ...

thus the way/journey is finished ...

then comes the Son of Man ....

walking out of the CLOUDS of the book of parables .....from the way of living/life = EXISTENCE ....into LIFE ....the more abundant life ....of the new creation ...
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Poetic descriptions purport to convey Knowledge. But, in fact, they are a substitute for Knowledge; words concocted by the consciousness of the "self", the holding to which is pleasurable because it convinces the "self" that it understands the Truth in a way that the consciousness of the 'thinker' cannot understand the Truth...

Which, of course, is correct; it's just that the consciousness of the 'self' does not have the complete story either.

The Truth is beyond the duality of both the "self" and the 'thinker'

Michael
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Truth is above ....it is that of the dual dual ....or the illusion of the illusion ....Truth is the forth dimension ...having raised higher from knowledge, understanding and wisdom ....

Truth is always and forever more the flesh.....and as such that which is as dung .....always and forevermore passing away .....

Truth is known as one is known .....

her offspring ...is that which is hidden in plain view .....

Truth is always spoken ....to be known thru/as the Son ....

the clouds are as TRUTH ....the Son of Man is the hidden thought shared in all the world ....

in this now we share of our Truth, sitting under our tree, it has been and forever shall be the duty of those who eat ...to know that which they eat .....

the flesh of Truth ....is for MEAT ...to the strongman .....

whatever kills you makes you stronger ... :)
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Its the Mythological Faggot Tree!!!
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Truth is the forth dimension...
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Went in the wrong direction--something that a poet would do--based on the assumption that time can only go forwards.

Knowledge/Truth is of the second dimension; the two-dimensional 'flat' space consciousness.

Truth is always spoken ....to be known thru/as the Son ....
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The Vision of the "Son of man" is not spoken, neither is the Revelation of the "resurrection". Both occur prior to word and in the realm of phonetic tones.

the clouds are as TRUTH ....the Son of Man is the hidden thought shared in all the world ....
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The clouds are...never mind.

Mohammed even jokes about it in the Quran, for those who understand the joke.

The "Son of man" is prior to the thought (of man) and the consciousness of the 'thinker'.

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The tree of life is Marijuanna, that is why it is illegal just about everywhere,
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don't get confused in your own head about what you think i am saying..... as done when knowledge/Truth are placed together... as if this perspective is suggested by another....when it was only a generation of your own thought process...

one must be careful to speak what they know not about what they think another knows .....

prepare your table ...i'll eat what i want .....
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The answer is- whatever your perspective imagines it to be. I personally imagine it to be the source of creation itself manifested as pure LOVE.hf
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
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yes and pure Love ....is not trapped between the 2 choices of duality and stagnantly held in the war created by men .....

duality thinks ....who shall i love .....or who shall love me ....so the war continues ... in the perspectives of men ...

pure Love IS .......and freely moves where it wills ...as the heart beat of the son of man ......
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Tree of knowledge is the splintering of consciousness through procreation. To be as God is to be able to create consciousness. Remember they covered themselves with fig leaves because they were ashamed. Use your heads here. They covered their genitals because they ate a literal piece of fruit. NOOOO

Also, notice how each successive generation (pre flood) lived for shorter periods of time as outlined in Genesis. This is because the whole of consciousness (Adam-Eve) have split. The fall is the splintering and the redemption is the recombination of the splintered fragments.

Just as breath goes in an out. The sexual seed can travel inward or outward. Therein lies the mystery. The serpent decended down the tree (spinal column) and creative force was released.

The brain, spine, and nervous system is the tree. Notice if you sever a nerve it doesn't grow back...just as a tree branch doesn't grow back.

There are many ways to send this energy up the spine into the brain center and each soul has its own path to achieve this.
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yes you are identifying 1/2 the problem .....the second half ...which involved Eve ....her darkness was identified prior to the fig leaf ....in her name ...Eve ....and the prior identifiers that and it was good and the DAY was from "EVEning to morning" ...or the cover up of dark hours ...dark ours .....

the first half of the problem of duality is the LIGHT ...that is created by the sun and moon .....

first the thought of physical light then the thought of physical relations ......

we can look at these as being THE problem .....but they really were not ...they are THE way .....

so it can be said one day of this that such light (from within) can come from such darkness ....
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How the Tree of Life embodies the root structure of the rank-8 Lie group E8 at the heart of superstring theory (along with SO(32):
[link to smphillips.8m.com]
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The answer is- whatever your perspective imagines it to be. I personally imagine it to be the source of creation itself manifested as pure LOVE.hf
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That is merely the consciousness of the "self", whose concern is not Truth at all, but merely pleasure.

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Tree of knowledge is the splintering of consciousness through procreation. To be as God is to be able to create consciousness.
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The consciousness of the "self" creates itself by means of self-reflection; time goes in both directions simultaneously.

The consciousness of the 'thinker', on the other hand, 'thinks' itself into existence; thus establishing the arrow of time only in a forward direction; because, if time went in both directions, there would be a reversal of time prior to the existence of the consciousness of the 'thinker' itself.

Can't have that.

The third dimension of consciousness, however, that is, the non-spatial, non-temporal, non-dualistic consciousness, was Created by God.

Michael

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The answer is- whatever your perspective imagines it to be. I personally imagine it to be the source of creation itself manifested as pure LOVE.hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


That is merely the consciousness of the "self", whose concern is not Truth at all, but merely pleasure.

Michael
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If you are living from the mind/ego, yea it can be but not if living in and from the heart.hf

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'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
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Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

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The answer is- whatever your perspective imagines it to be. I personally imagine it to be the source of creation itself manifested as pure LOVE.hf
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That is merely the consciousness of the "self", whose concern is not Truth at all, but merely pleasure.

Michael
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If you are living from the mind/ego, yea it can be but not if living in and from the heart.hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


"heart" is "self".

That is inescapable.

I am not condemning that, since a heart is necessary for love; merely explaining it as existing at the level of duality: Love/Hate.

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John 6:48
I am the bread of life



John 11:25
I am the resurrection and the life

John 14:6

i am the way, the truth, and the life

John 10:10
I am come that they might have life

John 3:16

For God so loves the world that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.



Eat the fruit of this tree and you will live for eternity.
Take this bread in rememberance of Me

Jeshuah is the created being manifested for us.
He is the tree of life.
he was with the Father from the beginning.
he is part of the creator Godhead.
he is eternal life for man

Guarded by the flaming sword.

Flames represent the judgement
Angles test us to see what we carry within.
All dross is burned
What is left? it will show your true nature with Jehovah.

Without the Forgiveness of the original inherited sins within us And the making of the Savior as LORD of ones life. Meaning you follow the tree of life's example you will fail by yourself. You are not God and was made to work with God to accomplish this .

Without Elohim you will fail.

The fallen angels know this and are doing all they can to keep us from this truth. They still want humanity to rule.

The tree of life is in and through the Messiah of Jesus of Nazereth.
The imitation messiah can only copy and he is coming. he is not the tree of life and will use crafts to make miracles and humans like judas to accomplish his evil.

in human form we all represent trees. Look up healing of blind man and see how Jeshuah took the clay from the earth and mixed it with His own spit and then opened the spiritual eyes first, next the physical. The man saw trees first than the people when Jesus touched him the second time.


We have all the clues but prophecy is reviewed only in Jehovah's timing. he is Father who look the tree away.

By the way. We also have branches in our minds which must be pruned. if you are wise you will understand. What branches are you growing there.

If you need help with pruning the sin ask for the tree of Life from the Messiah and the Father. The Holy Spirit will do the rest.

we will all be judged by our.thoughts and ways.
No one will be able to hide in caves.
That's crazy. Elohim knows the caves He made!

god bless you with answers you all seek. just seek and ask for truth and look for the fruit of the trees within people. you will see who they owe their alligence too.
Death destruction or life and health.


Knowledge is in both so knowledge is not proof of life

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