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Asteroid approach shrank to 14,000 miles this a.m. + NASA says "Astrometry is URGENTLY Needed"

 
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This rock masses something like a million tonnes at least, satellites typically mass a few tonnes.
The satellite would get dustified, the rock would barely notice.
It would get a little crater and might loose a few centimetres per second of speed.
Which might make a difference a thousand years later, but not now.
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

er, maybe if the asteroid was a 'million tonnes' like you said, but that is incorrect.

The asteroid weighs approx 130,000 meric tons.
 Quoting: UK Coward 34019266

Ugh. I used D not r.

Anyhoo, same OOM.
And: Mass - This estimate assumes a uniform spherical body with the computed diameter and a mass density of 2.6 g/cm3. The mass estimate is somewhat more rough than the diameter estimate, but generally will be accurate to within a factor of three.
[link to web.archive.org]
I used 2.7 g/cm^3 which is the best current estimate for such asteroids.
So it'd loose 10 cm/s. Big deal.

Anything energetic enough to change its orbit enough to hit Earth would turn it into an expanding cloud of rubble.
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I finally decided to put my 2 cents in here. I personally am at awe. I have to wonder #1 why we even believe half of what NASA says. Then I have to secondly wonder where some folks get off saying stupid BS.

Why am I saying that? Has anyone noticed how NASA went from it will miss, to there is a very slim chance to once again there is no chance?? What did they all decide they can't figure out crap or did they let the cat out of the bag? I just have to wonder. Thursday they stated to the public there was a slim chance of it hitting the earth a greater chance of it hitting satellites and now no chance at all?????

Then I read what a crazy man had to say on RN forum, about how all the satellites were going to be fine because the owners of them had remote controls so they could move them out of the way??? That's new, all the time Satellites are being hit by space junk, yet they can move them?? Why not move them before they get hit by space junk?

But then we have to realize how much junk is up there and how many satellites are up there. Do you really think that something coming straight at them is going to miss all of them??

You can do an experiment by scattering tons of junk around a baseball on the floor with junk being small pieces of paper roll a marble the same way this will be coming in and you will see exactly what I mean, something Will get hit. Even if its not earth the junk, or the satellites will get hit.

But why did they say just a few days ago there was a very slim chance of it hitting and a greater chance of it hitting satellites and now all of a sudden it wont do either. WTF? Am I missing something here?

Also they told how big of an area if it did hit the earth would be effected a 750 mile area would be effected if it hit land. Why would they even say that if they thought nothing would happen?? Once again making me wonder am I missing something here???

But wait they have now changed their minds and we have nothing to worry about.wtf
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Hey Astro, we keep being told how much 'space junk' there is around earth now, but what I want to know is, is any of this space junk large enough to alter the course of this asteroid if there was a collision?




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Hey Astro, we keep being told how much 'space junk' there is around earth now, but what I want to know is, is any of this space junk large enough to alter the course of this asteroid if there was a collision?




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i doubt it ,,, its moving so fast whatever it hits that is manmade will vaporize
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Has anyone noticed how NASA went from it will miss, to there is a very slim chance to once again there is no chance??
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Like everyone else NASA gets it data from the MPC who gets it from hundreds of observers the world over.
Including amateurs.

Get the data yourself and do the numbers.

Then I read what a crazy man had to say on RN forum, about how all the satellites were going to be fine because the owners of them had remote controls so they could move them out of the way??? That's new, all the time Satellites are being hit by space junk, yet they can move them?? Why not move them before they get hit by space junk?
 Quoting: pmb1

Geostationary satellites usually have some manoeuvring fuel to kick them in a graveyard orbit when they retire.
It could be use to move the sat out of harms way.
But is only very rarely that you know that something is coming.

But then we have to realize how much junk is up there and how many satellites are up there. Do you really think that something coming straight at them is going to miss all of them??
 Quoting: pmb1

Space is big.

But why did they say just a few days ago there was a very slim chance of it hitting
 Quoting: pmb1

You have been disinformed by sensationalist media.
There never was a risk of this rock hitting Earth.
There was a small risk of it hitting a sat.

Which would be a risk to space, not Earth.

and a greater chance of it hitting satellites and now all of a sudden it wont do either. WTF? Am I missing something here?
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Yes.
Further observations, which allowed to refine the orbit of DA14.
It's trajectory is now more precisely know.
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14,000 miles and closing? anyone one know how close it would have to be to get pulled in by earths gravity.?
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14,000 miles and closing? anyone one know how close it would have to be to get pulled in by earths gravity.?
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Gravity is already part of the calculation.
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They said it would be 14,000 miles when it was first announced in December...the 17,000 mile estimate came along later.
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14,000 miles and closing? anyone one know how close it would have to be to get pulled in by earths gravity.?
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Gravity is already part of the calculation.
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So earth has pulled it in around 3,500 miles in the last day or two now that is a wow from me with just over 5 days to go its going be going over the roof tops,man now that is close lol.
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14,000 miles and closing? anyone one know how close it would have to be to get pulled in by earths gravity.?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33314783


Gravity is already part of the calculation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589518


So earth has pulled it in around 3,500 miles in the last day or two now that is a wow from me with just over 5 days to go its going be going over the roof tops,man now that is close lol.
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Do they know what it is made of yet,or is it going land.
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14,000 miles and closing? anyone one know how close it would have to be to get pulled in by earths gravity.?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33314783


Gravity is already part of the calculation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589518


So earth has pulled it in around 3,500 miles in the last day or two now that is a wow from me with just over 5 days to go its going be going over the roof tops,man now that is close lol.
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Do they know what it is made of yet,or is it going land.
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[link to www.nasa.gov]

So it's 14000 now? This JPL animation says 17000 and it came out just a few days ago. They don't know what this thing is going to do any better than they can predict the weather a week from now.
"And it really didn't have to stop...it just kept on going."
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Gravity is already part of the calculation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589518


So earth has pulled it in around 3,500 miles in the last day or two now that is a wow from me with just over 5 days to go its going be going over the roof tops,man now that is close lol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33314783


Do they know what it is made of yet,or is it going land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33314783


[link to www.nasa.gov]

So it's 14000 now? This JPL animation says 17000 and it came out just a few days ago. They don't know what this thing is going to do any better than they can predict the weather a week from now.
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No, it's still 17000 miles.
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So earth has pulled it in around 3,500 miles in the last day or two now that is a wow from me with just over 5 days to go its going be going over the roof tops,man now that is close lol.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33314783


Do they know what it is made of yet,or is it going land.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33314783


[link to www.nasa.gov]

So it's 14000 now? This JPL animation says 17000 and it came out just a few days ago. They don't know what this thing is going to do any better than they can predict the weather a week from now.
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No, it's still 17000 miles.
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Oh okay thanks for clarifying.
"And it really didn't have to stop...it just kept on going."
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Okay is it 14,000 miles 17,000 miles now,its moving at 17.000 miles a hour right?
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Just asking.. Doesn't something need to be going over 22,000 mph to exit earth?
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Okay is it 14,000 miles 17,000 miles now,its moving at 17.000 miles a hour right?
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Best to get info like that from the source, i.e. the MPC or JPL-NEO, not the MSM.
They suck at science reporting.
(And most other things.)

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Just asking.. Doesn't something need to be going over 22,000 mph to exit earth?
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11.2 km/s.
But that's if you start from the surface.
The further away from Earth you are the lower its gravitational attraction, the lower its escape velocity.
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This rock masses something like a million tonnes at least, satellites typically mass a few tonnes.
The satellite would get dustified, the rock would barely notice.
It would get a little crater and might loose a few centimetres per second of speed.
Which might make a difference a thousand years later, but not now.
book
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er, maybe if the asteroid was a 'million tonnes' like you said, but that is incorrect.

The asteroid weighs approx 130,000 meric tons.
 Quoting: UK Coward 34019266

Ugh. I used D not r.

Anyhoo, same OOM.
And: Mass - This estimate assumes a uniform spherical body with the computed diameter and a mass density of 2.6 g/cm3. The mass estimate is somewhat more rough than the diameter estimate, but generally will be accurate to within a factor of three.
[link to web.archive.org]
I used 2.7 g/cm^3 which is the best current estimate for such asteroids.
So it'd loose 10 cm/s. Big deal.

Anything energetic enough to change its orbit enough to hit Earth would turn it into an expanding cloud of rubble.
book
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How're you so certain of such things? Math is infallible, right? You know, all you have are theories... those are not 'truths'. That's what is wrong with science today. Imo, to pompous and know it all. It is always certain and never in error...

And yet, look at all the problems you scientists have caused. GMO, Vaccines, Pills that create killers and Fluoride in the water - ALL FROM SCIENTISTS. I hope your group of people take as much heat as the religious zealots, scientists seem to know no bounds.
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How're you so certain of such things? Math is infallible, right? You know, all you have are theories... those are not 'truths'.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom

Do you even know the difference between theory and Law of Physics?

The Laws of Motion and the Law of Gravity have stood the test of time since, well, Newton.
IOW there has never been a single observation that conflicts with them.
There's no mystery here, no unknowns.
Just another celestial body doing its gravitational dance.
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How're you so certain of such things? Math is infallible, right? You know, all you have are theories... those are not 'truths'.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom

Do you even know the difference between theory and Law of Physics?

The Laws of Motion and the Law of Gravity have stood the test of time since, well, Newton.
IOW there has never been a single observation that conflicts with them.
There's no mystery here, no unknowns.
Just another celestial body doing its gravitational dance.
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Shove off, asshole. Don't leave me negative karma for simply asking a question. Fucking nazi.

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How're you so certain of such things? Math is infallible, right? You know, all you have are theories... those are not 'truths'.
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Do you even know the difference between theory and Law of Physics?

The Laws of Motion and the Law of Gravity have stood the test of time since, well, Newton.
IOW there has never been a single observation that conflicts with them.
There's no mystery here, no unknowns.
Just another celestial body doing its gravitational dance.
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Shove off, asshole. Don't leave me negative karma for simply asking a question. Fucking nazi.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom

Jumping at conclusions again.

It is really, really easy to check if I did.

You didn't check.
Like all tards you never ever test your ideas.
That's why you will be wrong most of the time.
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How're you so certain of such things? Math is infallible, right? You know, all you have are theories... those are not 'truths'.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom

Do you even know the difference between theory and Law of Physics?

The Laws of Motion and the Law of Gravity have stood the test of time since, well, Newton.
IOW there has never been a single observation that conflicts with them.
There's no mystery here, no unknowns.
Just another celestial body doing its gravitational dance.
book
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Shove off, asshole. Don't leave me negative karma for simply asking a question. Fucking nazi.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom

Jumping at conclusions again.

It is really, really easy to check if I did.

You didn't check.
Like all tards you never ever test your ideas.
That's why you will be wrong most of the time.
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lol

Really?

OH DO TELL! Because as far as I knew, only YOU can see at the bottom of your karma page, who you have left negative karma for.

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OH DO TELL! Because as far as I knew,
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Apparently there are a lot of things you don't know.

Like, frex, that people need to be online to give karma.
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The uncertainties in plane-of-sky position, Doppler frequency, and time delay will grow dramatically
during the approach, but even so, this object cannot impact Earth during this encounter.

[link to echo.jpl.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


The point is, closest approach has now dropped 3,000 mi. (from 17,000 mi. to 14,000 mi. OVERNIGHT, and we have 6 days to go. Look at the astonishing, intensifying graph sequences on Children of the Atom thread this a.m. from Meteorscan.com (I.e. Meteor Detection and Radio Astronomy. You must study Children of the Atom's screenshots he has posted, because the site is constantly updating, as you know. I'm watching COTA threads through the rest of this harrowing Velakovskian moment in all our lives!

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on the john moore show from friday (on you tube) his guest claimed her jlp contact said it 500-1000 meters and because of that our gravity will effect its orbit more. our gravity will pull it 100 times strong.
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what concerns me is this time the msm news started mentioning this rock a wk away.they usually warn us of near-misses a day or 2 b4. why is nbc reporting on this a wk out??? very strange. let alone the added "its not if but when" a solar storm takes out the grid,cell phones,sattelites,etc. wtf
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If it falls in our yard, I'll try to get a photo of it uploaded before the bang.

Had been wondering what could be big enough to keep Obama's day at the supreme court out of the news and here she blows!

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I hear ya, I was just posting what NASA was saying.

I found the confidence of zero impact strange in combination with the urgency of astrometry needed.


I remember saying days ago, NASA's statement of a 99.999% chance of impact did not reflect such a close encounter.

I would expect 99.98122% or 98.9999% or 99.909912% chance of miss, but thats how you catch a liar.

99.99999% was ordered to be published to hide the real impact chance.

Which, according to logic at this point, should have decreased a little. If it was 99.999% and now it scoots inwards, has that number changed any?

Probably not, which backs up my belief of disinformation being pushed.
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There is NO chance of impact on this encounter. None whatsoever.

We already have new astrometry prior to the encounter, and now the uncertainty region is incredibly tight. It does not overlap earth at all, not even close, which is why there is NO chance of impact.
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Yo Astro mutt, if this thing hits, can you promise not to ever post on GLP forever???? goawayaholebyekitty
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if it doesnt hit, will you and everyone shilling promise to never post here either?
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Making such a close pass to earth might change it into an expanding group of rubble, which many of these are, not solid rocks, and even if none of that hits earth on this pass, it seems that the chances would increase that some of it hits the earth on future passes.
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