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Asteroid approach shrank to 14,000 miles this a.m. + NASA says "Astrometry is URGENTLY Needed" | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33807501  United States02/10/2013 05:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Scientists say they are sure there is no chance of the 150ft (45.7m) wide space rock hitting the planet. But there is a remote possibility that it could collide with one of more than 100 telecommunication and weather satellites in fixed orbits above the Earth. |
| Cz User ID: 32527874 United States02/10/2013 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How're you so certain of such things? Math is infallible, right? You know, all you have are theories... those are not 'truths'. Quoting: Children of the Atom Do you even know the difference between theory and Law of Physics? Yes do you know that there is no "Law"... It is only a "theory" used until something better comes alone... The Laws of Motion and the Law of Gravity have stood the test of time since, well, Newton. Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD This "you" know personally?? No you don't you only parrot what you have been told... "Newton's Laws of Motion" are not the "Laws of Physics"...By that statement alone you invalidate your whole post... And besides they are thrown out the window when you consider an "Electric Universe"...Which by introducing a new theory the old is in "limbo" until proven (or should I say, agreed upon by a few scientist with the "red pencils") one way or the other... Again I ask...And you have observed all of them??? There's no mystery here, no unknowns. Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD Just another celestial body doing its gravitational dance. :book There Again, How many "celestial" bodies have you seen doing a gravitational dance?? I think none...as all bodies in the Universe are electrical and gravity is a weak source... Why can you pick up a steel ball with a natural magnet in spite of gravity pulling on both objects?? How can you suspend a steel ball between 2 magnets in defiance of gravity?? Check out the Electric Universe...It can explain it for you... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2310364 United States02/10/2013 06:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so you dont think that that this change in miss distance is due to a miscalculation of the mass of and the effect the earth's gravity is having on the incoming trajectory? if we see further increases then we can assume that an unpredictable change to the orbit is being observed. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33979614  United Kingdom02/10/2013 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You bet $10 and if it hits you win from me $1000! We can set it up via paypal. Not only do you get to prove NASA are liars but you can win lots of money too! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23651021 United States02/10/2013 07:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hear ya, I was just posting what NASA was saying. Quoting: --Voltaic-- I found the confidence of zero impact strange in combination with the urgency of astrometry needed. I remember saying days ago, NASA's statement of a 99.999% chance of impact did not reflect such a close encounter. I would expect 99.98122% or 98.9999% or 99.909912% chance of miss, but thats how you catch a liar. 99.99999% was ordered to be published to hide the real impact chance. Which, according to logic at this point, should have decreased a little. If it was 99.999% and now it scoots inwards, has that number changed any? Probably not, which backs up my belief of disinformation being pushed. There is NO chance of impact on this encounter. None whatsoever. We already have new astrometry prior to the encounter, and now the uncertainty region is incredibly tight. It does not overlap earth at all, not even close, which is why there is NO chance of impact. Yo Astro mutt, if this thing hits, can you promise not to ever post on GLP forever????    Hey, dickbag! Astro's prediction rate is 100 percent accurate. Yours on the other hand is ZERO. You are 0 for 12. ZERO FOR TWELVE. Quit spouting your nonsense and seek professional help. |
| Kimpy2 User ID: 21696952 United States02/10/2013 11:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This rock masses something like a million tonnes at least, satellites typically mass a few tonnes. Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD The satellite would get dustified, the rock would barely notice. It would get a little crater and might loose a few centimetres per second of speed. Which might make a difference a thousand years later, but not now.  er, maybe if the asteroid was a 'million tonnes' like you said, but that is incorrect. The asteroid weighs approx 130,000 meric tons. Ugh. I used D not r. Anyhoo, same OOM. And: Mass - This estimate assumes a uniform spherical body with the computed diameter and a mass density of 2.6 g/cm3. The mass estimate is somewhat more rough than the diameter estimate, but generally will be accurate to within a factor of three. [link to web.archive.org] I used 2.7 g/cm^3 which is the best current estimate for such asteroids. So it'd loose 10 cm/s. Big deal. Anything energetic enough to change its orbit enough to hit Earth would turn it into an expanding cloud of rubble. How're you so certain of such things? Math is infallible, right? You know, all you have are theories... those are not 'truths'. That's what is wrong with science today. Imo, to pompous and know it all. It is always certain and never in error... And yet, look at all the problems you scientists have caused. GMO, Vaccines, Pills that create killers and Fluoride in the water - ALL FROM SCIENTISTS. I hope your group of people take as much heat as the religious zealots, scientists seem to know no bounds. Well said, COTA! Look at Fukushima, Chernobyl, atmospheric testing: what total and complete eff ups by total fools of scientist lap dogs to industry that only has one interest: centralize the hell out of and control energy on this planet and make people pay through the nose for it while their environment, they, their babies and and all sentient life is slowly poisoned. We are living a macabre Fellini tragedy thanks to sell-out science!!!   Ancient wisdom: that which has a front has a back (science sure does have a huge front! And its back is killing this planet!!) |
| Kimpy2 User ID: 21696952 United States02/11/2013 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: UK Coward 34019266 er, maybe if the asteroid was a 'million tonnes' like you said, but that is incorrect. The asteroid weighs approx 130,000 meric tons. Ugh. I used D not r. Anyhoo, same OOM. And: Mass - This estimate assumes a uniform spherical body with the computed diameter and a mass density of 2.6 g/cm3. The mass estimate is somewhat more rough than the diameter estimate, but generally will be accurate to within a factor of three. [link to web.archive.org] I used 2.7 g/cm^3 which is the best current estimate for such asteroids. So it'd loose 10 cm/s. Big deal. Anything energetic enough to change its orbit enough to hit Earth would turn it into an expanding cloud of rubble. How're you so certain of such things? Math is infallible, right? You know, all you have are theories... those are not 'truths'. That's what is wrong with science today. Imo, to pompous and know it all. It is always certain and never in error... And yet, look at all the problems you scientists have caused. GMO, Vaccines, Pills that create killers and Fluoride in the water - ALL FROM SCIENTISTS. I hope your group of people take as much heat as the religious zealots, scientists seem to know no bounds. Well said, COTA! Look at Fukushima, Chernobyl, atmospheric testing: what total and complete eff ups by total fools of scientist lap dogs to industry that only has one interest: centralize the hell out of and control energy on this planet and make people pay through the nose for it while their environment, they, their babies and and all sentient life is slowly poisoned. We are living a macabre Fellini tragedy thanks to sell-out science!!! Ancient wisdom: that which has a front has a back (science sure does have a huge front! And its back is killing this planet!!) ... Quoting: UK Coward 34019266 er, maybe if the asteroid was a 'million tonnes' like you said, but that is incorrect. The asteroid weighs approx 130,000 meric tons. Ugh. I used D not r. Anyhoo, same OOM. And: Mass - This estimate assumes a uniform spherical body with the computed diameter and a mass density of 2.6 g/cm3. The mass estimate is somewhat more rough than the diameter estimate, but generally will be accurate to within a factor of three. [link to web.archive.org] I used 2.7 g/cm^3 which is the best current estimate for such asteroids. So it'd loose 10 cm/s. Big deal. Anything energetic enough to change its orbit enough to hit Earth would turn it into an expanding cloud of rubble. How're you so certain of such things? Math is infallible, right? You know, all you have are theories... those are not 'truths'. That's what is wrong with science today. Imo, to pompous and know it all. It is always certain and never in error... And yet, look at all the problems you scientists have caused. GMO, Vaccines, Pills that create killers and Fluoride in the water - ALL FROM SCIENTISTS. I hope your group of people take as much heat as the religious zealots, scientists seem to know no bounds. Well said, COTA! Look at Fukushima, Chernobyl, atmospheric testing: what total and complete eff ups by total fools of scientist lap dogs to industry that only has one interest: centralize the hell out of and control energy on this planet and make people pay through the nose for it while their environment, they, their babies and and all sentient life is slowly poisoned. We are living a macabre Fellini tragedy thanks to sell-out science!!! Ancient wisdom: that which has a front has a back (science sure does have a huge front! And its back is killing this planet!!) It's late. I'm tired. Here's that entire quote: that which has a front has a back AND the bigger the front, the bigger the back. COTA, have you noticed that all these "scientists" on this thread have totally failed to address your excellent Meteorscan.com data? I think they do not want to touch that hot potato! Too scary looking for them. |
| Halcyon Dayz, FCD User ID: 31033756  Netherlands02/11/2013 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How're you so certain of such things? Math is infallible, right? You know, all you have are theories... those are not 'truths'. Quoting: Children of the Atom Do you even know the difference between theory and Law of Physics? Yes do you know that there is no "Law"... It is only a "theory" used until something better comes alone... So you admit you don't understand the difference between a scientific theory and a scientific Law. Shouldn't you learn these things before trying to discuss science? The Laws of Motion and the Law of Gravity have stood the test of time since, well, Newton. Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD This "you" know personally?? No you don't you only parrot what you have been told... I test the laws of motion every time I kick a ball. Every time I move. Every time I drop something. You accepting certain scientific claims as gospel truth doesn't mean other people do. Science is all about stripping away believe systems and dealing with the bare facts by TESTING them. "Newton's Laws of Motion" are not the "Laws of Physics"...By that statement alone you invalidate your whole post... Quoting: Cz 32527874 So why are you trying to discuss science without knowing how it works? And besides they are thrown out the window when you consider an "Electric Universe"... Quoting: Cz 32527874 Appeal to magic. Which by introducing a new theory the old is in "limbo" until proven (or should I say, agreed upon by a few scientist with the "red pencils") one way or the other... Quoting: Cz 32527874 Any new theory has to explain everything the old one did. And better. Things that have not been observed can't be taken into consideration. Science is based on observation, NOT fantasy. There's no mystery here, no unknowns. Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD Just another celestial body doing its gravitational dance. :book There Again, How many "celestial" bodies have you seen doing a gravitational dance?? All that we can observe. We understand the laws of motion and gravity to the degree that we can launch a spaceprobe, have it encounter half a dozen planets, and then hit is target ten years later and billions of kilometres away. We don't need a theoretical explanation of why the Laws are what they are, we only need to know what they are. Which we can determine from observation. I think none...as all bodies in the Universe are electrical and gravity is a weak source... Quoting: Cz 32527874 My body isn't electrical, Mr. Preacher Man. Why can you pick up a steel ball with a natural magnet in spite of gravity pulling on both objects?? Quoting: Cz 32527874 Magnets exert a force. Why don't you know this? Magnets exert a force. Why don't you know this? Magnets aren't magic. A scientifically minded person wouldn't feel the need to preach for the Church of Electrickery. They would provide evidence, they would provide hypotheses, they would propose tests to falsify these hypotheses. Above all they would understand what it is they are trying to disproof. Nobels are won by people who understand the current thinking very well. What makes you different from any creationist? You know people who don't even understand the concept of evolution? Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States02/11/2013 10:17 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro No I don't. Learn what significant figures are. NASA's not saying it's 17000 miles exactly on the dot. Please tell me you're not that stupid. ... Quit trying to confuse people. Quit trying to attack my video on false premises. People like you are why I will never stop debunking, because people like you need to be put in their place. NASA's exact prediction of the close approach distance (note these distances are to earth's center, not the surface, subtract a mean radius of 3959 miles): [link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov] Close approach between 17,194.1444 - 17,205.4341 miles. My figure falls into their close approach range, I am not in disagreement with NASA. I'm asking you direct questions. I know what I heard you say in your video! I saw your graphics! You claim an even steeper pass with much less chance of a geosynchronous collision, to the INSIDE (between earth and the toroid of space junk and sats) and you show this in your graphics, which means you are countering NASA's claim of a geosynchronous hazard. ..which means you are claiming an approach closer to earth based on your latest and better astrometry. Please answer my earlier question: why is NASA still, as of their update today, broadcasting "Astrometry URGENTLY Needed" especially since you have all the answers? You are so insecure! I question you and you call it an attack? Duder, you'd never make it in a classroom! Be nice. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr NASA AND I BOTH SHOW IT PASSING BY AT A DISTANCE OF ABOUT 17205 MILES, THAT IS INSIDE THE ORBITS OF OUR GEOSYNCHRONOUS SATELLITES, WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?! Astrometry is always wanted during close approaches!!! Aww, and now the child resorts to screaming. I just knew "Dr." Astro would be in here shilling about. He may not be a shill, by definition, but he is certainly a self-glorified know-it-all. You, sir, have absolutely no factual evidence that this asteroid will not hit earth. Nobody can say that with absolute certainty. Just when I feel like, "man, this guy is actually quite intelligent", you completely contradict yourself with ignorant statements such as this. Go home Astro, your nonsense is getting old. Yes, I do. I know the orbit with far more than enough certainty to rule out an impact. You will owe me a huge apology on Friday when it passes by exactly as I predicted.  |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States02/11/2013 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hear ya, I was just posting what NASA was saying. Quoting: --Voltaic-- I found the confidence of zero impact strange in combination with the urgency of astrometry needed. I remember saying days ago, NASA's statement of a 99.999% chance of impact did not reflect such a close encounter. I would expect 99.98122% or 98.9999% or 99.909912% chance of miss, but thats how you catch a liar. 99.99999% was ordered to be published to hide the real impact chance. Which, according to logic at this point, should have decreased a little. If it was 99.999% and now it scoots inwards, has that number changed any? Probably not, which backs up my belief of disinformation being pushed. There is NO chance of impact on this encounter. None whatsoever. We already have new astrometry prior to the encounter, and now the uncertainty region is incredibly tight. It does not overlap earth at all, not even close, which is why there is NO chance of impact. Yo Astro mutt, if this thing hits, can you promise not to ever post on GLP forever???? I agree. I will hold you to the same standard if it doesn't hit. |
| Solar Guardian User ID: 3476907  Malaysia02/11/2013 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hear ya, I was just posting what NASA was saying. Quoting: --Voltaic-- I found the confidence of zero impact strange in combination with the urgency of astrometry needed. I remember saying days ago, NASA's statement of a 99.999% chance of impact did not reflect such a close encounter. I would expect 99.98122% or 98.9999% or 99.909912% chance of miss, but thats how you catch a liar. 99.99999% was ordered to be published to hide the real impact chance. Which, according to logic at this point, should have decreased a little. If it was 99.999% and now it scoots inwards, has that number changed any? Probably not, which backs up my belief of disinformation being pushed. There is NO chance of impact on this encounter. None whatsoever. We already have new astrometry prior to the encounter, and now the uncertainty region is incredibly tight. It does not overlap earth at all, not even close, which is why there is NO chance of impact. Yo Astro mutt, if this thing hits, can you promise not to ever post on GLP forever???? I agree. I will hold you to the same standard if it doesn't hit.    |
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| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States02/11/2013 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro There is NO chance of impact on this encounter. None whatsoever. We already have new astrometry prior to the encounter, and now the uncertainty region is incredibly tight. It does not overlap earth at all, not even close, which is why there is NO chance of impact. Yo Astro mutt, if this thing hits, can you promise not to ever post on GLP forever???? I agree. I will hold you to the same standard if it doesn't hit. Thank you for acknowledging your agreement. See you Friday. Last Edited by Astromut on 02/11/2013 10:53 AM |
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| Kimpy2 User ID: 21696952 United States02/11/2013 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How're you so certain of such things? Math is infallible, right? You know, all you have are theories... those are not 'truths'. Quoting: Children of the Atom Do you even know the difference between theory and Law of Physics? Yes do you know that there is no "Law"... It is only a "theory" used until something better comes alone... So you admit you don't understand the difference between a scientific theory and a scientific Law. Shouldn't you learn these things before trying to discuss science? The Laws of Motion and the Law of Gravity have stood the test of time since, well, Newton. Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD This "you" know personally?? No you don't you only parrot what you have been told... I test the laws of motion every time I kick a ball. Every time I move. Every time I drop something. You accepting certain scientific claims as gospel truth doesn't mean other people do. Science is all about stripping away believe systems and dealing with the bare facts by TESTING them. "Newton's Laws of Motion" are not the "Laws of Physics"...By that statement alone you invalidate your whole post... Quoting: Cz 32527874 So why are you trying to discuss science without knowing how it works? And besides they are thrown out the window when you consider an "Electric Universe"... Quoting: Cz 32527874 Appeal to magic. Which by introducing a new theory the old is in "limbo" until proven (or should I say, agreed upon by a few scientist with the "red pencils") one way or the other... Quoting: Cz 32527874 Any new theory has to explain everything the old one did. And better. Things that have not been observed can't be taken into consideration. Science is based on observation, NOT fantasy. There's no mystery here, no unknowns. Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD Just another celestial body doing its gravitational dance. :book There Again, How many "celestial" bodies have you seen doing a gravitational dance?? All that we can observe. We understand the laws of motion and gravity to the degree that we can launch a spaceprobe, have it encounter half a dozen planets, and then hit is target ten years later and billions of kilometres away. We don't need a theoretical explanation of why the Laws are what they are, we only need to know what they are. Which we can determine from observation. I think none...as all bodies in the Universe are electrical and gravity is a weak source... Quoting: Cz 32527874 My body isn't electrical, Mr. Preacher Man. Why can you pick up a steel ball with a natural magnet in spite of gravity pulling on both objects?? Quoting: Cz 32527874 Magnets exert a force. Why don't you know this? Magnets exert a force. Why don't you know this? Magnets aren't magic. A scientifically minded person wouldn't feel the need to preach for the Church of Electrickery. They would provide evidence, they would provide hypotheses, they would propose tests to falsify these hypotheses. Above all they would understand what it is they are trying to disproof. Nobels are won by people who understand the current thinking very well. What makes you different from any creationist? You know people who don't even understand the concept of evolution? "My body isn't electrical, Mr. Preacher Man." Cz is absolutely correct and you are in a Dayz, Halcyon! Tell the ER docs you don't need that ELECTRO-encephalogram of your head injury and tell them to keep that ELECTROcardiogram away from your Myocardial Infarcted heart that went critical after your head-on collision! You're addicted to Morans cuz you are one! Like attracts like! Blow up a balloon, tie it off, rub it briskly over your hairy chest and knuckles, and stick it to your comb-over. Voila! You've discovered a new Universal force! Maybe they'll name it after you! |
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| Sigge User ID: 21322430  Sweden02/11/2013 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | COMMANDING OFFICER: We estimate it has a diameter of over five hundred and fifty kilometers and a mass roughly one fourth the size of our moon. Quoting: Skuzzlebutt GENERAL GREY: A meteor? SECOND OFFICER: No Sir. Definitely not. GENERAL GREY: How do you know? SECOND OFFICER: Well, er... it's slowing down. GENERAL GREY: It's doing what? SECOND OFFICER: It's... slowing down, Sir. The 4400 ? I'm pleading the Fifth E. Its Independence day. |
| Halcyon Dayz, FCD User ID: 31033756 Netherlands02/11/2013 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "My body isn't electrical, Mr. Preacher Man." Quoting: Kimpy2 21696952 Cz is absolutely correct and you are in a Dayz, Halcyon! Tell the ER docs you don't need that ELECTRO-encephalogram of your head injury and tell them to keep that ELECTROcardiogram away from your Myocardial Infarcted heart that went critical after your head-on collision! Which has fuck all to to with electrotardism. If Cz claims electric forces move celestial bodies around it would really help his case not to talk like a scientifically illiterate moran. Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
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| ehecatl User ID: 34182728  Mexico02/14/2013 06:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here, in light of the the statement by NASA, I repeat my post of several days ago, written to the shills who are so certain there is not doom in this. Quoting: ehecatl Making such a close pass to earth might change it into an expanding group of rubble, which many of these are, not solid rocks, and even if none of that hits earth on this pass, it seems that the chances would increase that some of it hits the earth on future passes. Quoting: ehecatl BTW, there would be no "earthquakes" as we know it on a football field sized solid rock, but if there were, that would only be movement between various pieces, which are connected by the most delicate forces imaginable. |
