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I normally stick to world events when posting threads on this site however I need some outside input on how to handle this. I know the most common two things I will receive as a response will be A. Contact the authorities or B. Castrate the mother fucker. I apologize now for the length of this however I feel it's necessary for one to fully understand my individual situation.

August 4th 2004 I woke up [In Illinois] to find my vehicle gone, my wallet emptied, pretty much everything gone except for my clothes, my 3 children and their belongings. My wife was gone without even as much as a note, we had no idea where she was. Two weeks went by and still haven't heard anything from her. She told NOBODY she was leaving or where she was going, including her family. I get a call from her sister in Michigan telling me to keep this between us but her parents were getting calls from her prior to her leaving talking about how I was beating the hell out of her and then from their standpoint how she is now missing and starting to believe I killed her. Using the process of elimination I narrowed her whereabouts down to two locations, her ex-boyfriend's in Corpus Christi Texas or Bayou La Batre Alabama where one of my best friends lived whom I hadn't heard from in quite a bit. I called both police stations, explained the situation and both areas sent an officer to see if my vehicle with matching plates were at the residence...she was at my friend's in Alabama. I instantly wanted nothing more than to kill both of them [and for many years after]. I was consumed by hatred and evil and it effected my mind, and my body.

I was almost locked in a padded room when my doctor asked me "Have you thought about hurting yourself or anyone else?" and I said "FUCK YES!!!" She called the crisis center and, in a room with guards outside the door a crisis center rep asked me all smug "Are you thinking about hurting yourself or anyone else?" I said "No." She dropped all of her folders and papers all over the floor and said "The doctor asked you the same question and you said yes." I responded "NO, the doctor asked me if I have thought about it. My wife left me and my children for my best friend, fuck yes I've thought about it. YOU asked if if I am thinking about it and no, at this very moment I am not. I am currently thinking about how I have to be at work in 2 hours and you're holding me the hell up." They released me but gave me Ambien because I couldn't sleep and anti-depressants like to deal with my stress.

I had no appetite, I rarely ate and due to such I had dropped from 170lbs to 106lbs...I was on a crash course with death. I was failing as a father because I couldn't take care of myself. My mother-in-law [who is pretty well off to do] offered to take them until I could get on my feet and, although I was apprehensive about it as we've never gotten along, I had no other choice. I had a duty as a father and I wasn't meeting that and I knew there was no way I could properly care for my children if I couldn't take care of myself. The combination of pills were having a horrid effect on me. I would take them and I would lose awareness after about 15 minutes or so. I would wake up the next morning having my friend tell me things like being afraid of a teddy bear etc. [This was all before I "woke up" to the agenda of the pharmaceutical companies etc.] On December 13th, 2004 my children went to their grand parent's in Ohio.

I stopped taking the damn pills. I figured there had to have been people in similar situations long before these damn pills that made it without 'em, and if they could do then so the fuck can I. I had a hard time in the NW Burbs of Illinois with sky high living expenses and wound up living in a Motel a lot closer to work. I get a phone call one day from my mother-in-law telling me I had 1 week to come and get my kids or she was turning them over to the state. I told her I am living in a small ass motel room barely big enough for me let alone 3 kids. She repeated what she said again and I asked her where the hell her daughter was and she said she didn't know. I had a few contacts in Alabama who had tipped me off to her place of employment so I called her at work, she said her mom told her the same thing and I told her to go get them then. She gave me a line of bullshit and I told her "I can't get them, you are in a position to and you'd better because I am telling you now if those kids are turned over to the state the first thing they will do is split them up and you honestly don't think they've been through enough? If those kids get turned over I swear with God as my witness I will kill both you and him." That night I got a call from her sister saying they were going to Ohio to pick them up that weekend. That was the last I had talked to my kids at all until September of this past year.

I tried establishing a working relationship with their mother. She has called me asking to send money, I sent it and she still wouldn't let me talk to them. She had cut off ALL contact. I had sent her an email asking her to tell one of my children Happy Birthday for me, to no reply. I was pissed and sent her an email that was...pretty bad SO, she took it upon herself to show my kids to prove how "evil of a man I was". My oldest is in her late teens and smarter than her mother and caught the sending email address while also catching why I sent the email. I get an email from her and we've been talking ever since almost everyday. She said that her mom and him don't want me around at all, he's just started working and when he's not working he's drunk and has told them the reason she left them in the middle of the night like she did was because I was beating her ass, and she feared for her and her children's lives.

Not having seen each other in nearly 8 years and as she self admittedly believed their propaganda push against me for a while the first few months talking via email/IM was pretty much getting to know each other. Now, a few short months later it's hard to explain, but even though all I have is pics she sends, some vids and primarily a screen name I feel I have an actual relationship with my daughter, and judging by last night I believe she feels the same.

Last night she asked me if she could tell me anything and I told her she's asked me some tough questions and I answered them honestly [any failed relationship is 50/50, unlike their mother I realize this and have always been willing to own what is mine, even to her] that it wasn't easy but I did it. She told me she hasn't told anybody including her mom because she's afraid her mom wont believe her and/or will side with him, but for the last 5-6 years her mom's boyfriend has been molesting her. She isn't stupid and knows her mother for who she is, but she still loves her [which is good, because no matter how pissed I was when she left I NEVER bad mouthed her to my children and when my oldest would talk to me about it even at the age of 8 at that time she would express anger toward her mother and I would tell her "You have every right to be angry, but she is your mother and you should always love her but I wont tell you that you have no right to be angry at her."] and she does NOT want to be put into the system...I don't blame her and I don't want my children there either.

Since last night I've been doing some research on Michigan's CPS and how they handle this stuff and based on articles like this
[link to michigan.gov]

containing information like this:
Factors Considered Prior to Requesting Removal

Prior to making the decision to request that the court order removal of a child, the following is assessed:

Is the child at imminent risk of harm?
How does the caretaker view the situation?
Is the caretaker cooperative?
Is the caretaker asking for help?
Is the caretaker capable of change?
Are there alternatives to removal?
Are there immediate services that can be put in place to keep the child safe in the home? Can arrangements be made for the child until those services case be put in place?
Will the perpetrator leave the home?
Can court orders be put in place that would keep the child safe?

It sounds an awful lot like a lot of who is removed from the home will rely on her mother. She doesn't trust her mother, why the hell should I? In the words of my daughter "She chose him over me when she left me to go to Alabama, she sides with him every time we argue, why would she side with me now especially when he's the only source of income at the moment?" They're totally isolated, they're not allowed outside to play because of the neighborhood they live in and, when I said they could talk to her at school she told me they're home schooled and didn't say anything before because her mom said not to tell anybody.

I don't care how hard it makes things on her mother, this sumbitch will cease his pedo acts he's committing against my child one way or another, by the state or by me. My dilemma is I know no matter which way I go there is no going back. I hate the state workers and I know if I call them it's out of my hands and whatever happens to my children happens whereas, if I handle it myself I have control of the outcome where they're concerned and am willing to accept my fate if need be for the betterment and safety of my children. Pretty much, It will end but I don't want my children in state's custody. I'm lost on this. I want to let the "justice" system handle things but I question how much "justice" will be there for my children. Does anybody have any helpful insight here?
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I normally stick to world events when posting threads on this site however I need some outside input on how to handle this. I know the most common two things I will receive as a response will be A. Contact the authorities or B. Castrate the mother fucker. I apologize now for the length of this however I feel it's necessary for one to fully understand my individual situation.

August 4th 2004 I woke up [In Illinois] to find my vehicle gone, my wallet emptied, pretty much everything gone except for my clothes, my 3 children and their belongings. My wife was gone without even as much as a note, we had no idea where she was. Two weeks went by and still haven't heard anything from her. She told NOBODY she was leaving or where she was going, including her family. I get a call from her sister in Michigan telling me to keep this between us but her parents were getting calls from her prior to her leaving talking about how I was beating the hell out of her and then from their standpoint how she is now missing and starting to believe I killed her. Using the process of elimination I narrowed her whereabouts down to two locations, her ex-boyfriend's in Corpus Christi Texas or Bayou La Batre Alabama where one of my best friends lived whom I hadn't heard from in quite a bit. I called both police stations, explained the situation and both areas sent an officer to see if my vehicle with matching plates were at the residence...she was at my friend's in Alabama. I instantly wanted nothing more than to kill both of them [and for many years after]. I was consumed by hatred and evil and it effected my mind, and my body.

I was almost locked in a padded room when my doctor asked me "Have you thought about hurting yourself or anyone else?" and I said "FUCK YES!!!" She called the crisis center and, in a room with guards outside the door a crisis center rep asked me all smug "Are you thinking about hurting yourself or anyone else?" I said "No." She dropped all of her folders and papers all over the floor and said "The doctor asked you the same question and you said yes." I responded "NO, the doctor asked me if I have thought about it. My wife left me and my children for my best friend, fuck yes I've thought about it. YOU asked if if I am thinking about it and no, at this very moment I am not. I am currently thinking about how I have to be at work in 2 hours and you're holding me the hell up." They released me but gave me Ambien because I couldn't sleep and anti-depressants like to deal with my stress.

I had no appetite, I rarely ate and due to such I had dropped from 170lbs to 106lbs...I was on a crash course with death. I was failing as a father because I couldn't take care of myself. My mother-in-law [who is pretty well off to do] offered to take them until I could get on my feet and, although I was apprehensive about it as we've never gotten along, I had no other choice. I had a duty as a father and I wasn't meeting that and I knew there was no way I could properly care for my children if I couldn't take care of myself. The combination of pills were having a horrid effect on me. I would take them and I would lose awareness after about 15 minutes or so. I would wake up the next morning having my friend tell me things like being afraid of a teddy bear etc. [This was all before I "woke up" to the agenda of the pharmaceutical companies etc.] On December 13th, 2004 my children went to their grand parent's in Ohio.

I stopped taking the damn pills. I figured there had to have been people in similar situations long before these damn pills that made it without 'em, and if they could do then so the fuck can I. I had a hard time in the NW Burbs of Illinois with sky high living expenses and wound up living in a Motel a lot closer to work. I get a phone call one day from my mother-in-law telling me I had 1 week to come and get my kids or she was turning them over to the state. I told her I am living in a small ass motel room barely big enough for me let alone 3 kids. She repeated what she said again and I asked her where the hell her daughter was and she said she didn't know. I had a few contacts in Alabama who had tipped me off to her place of employment so I called her at work, she said her mom told her the same thing and I told her to go get them then. She gave me a line of bullshit and I told her "I can't get them, you are in a position to and you'd better because I am telling you now if those kids are turned over to the state the first thing they will do is split them up and you honestly don't think they've been through enough? If those kids get turned over I swear with God as my witness I will kill both you and him." That night I got a call from her sister saying they were going to Ohio to pick them up that weekend. That was the last I had talked to my kids at all until September of this past year.

I tried establishing a working relationship with their mother. She has called me asking to send money, I sent it and she still wouldn't let me talk to them. She had cut off ALL contact. I had sent her an email asking her to tell one of my children Happy Birthday for me, to no reply. I was pissed and sent her an email that was...pretty bad SO, she took it upon herself to show my kids to prove how "evil of a man I was". My oldest is in her late teens and smarter than her mother and caught the sending email address while also catching why I sent the email. I get an email from her and we've been talking ever since almost everyday. She said that her mom and him don't want me around at all, he's just started working and when he's not working he's drunk and has told them the reason she left them in the middle of the night like she did was because I was beating her ass, and she feared for her and her children's lives.

Not having seen each other in nearly 8 years and as she self admittedly believed their propaganda push against me for a while the first few months talking via email/IM was pretty much getting to know each other. Now, a few short months later it's hard to explain, but even though all I have is pics she sends, some vids and primarily a screen name I feel I have an actual relationship with my daughter, and judging by last night I believe she feels the same.

Last night she asked me if she could tell me anything and I told her she's asked me some tough questions and I answered them honestly [any failed relationship is 50/50, unlike their mother I realize this and have always been willing to own what is mine, even to her] that it wasn't easy but I did it. She told me she hasn't told anybody including her mom because she's afraid her mom wont believe her and/or will side with him, but for the last 5-6 years her mom's boyfriend has been molesting her. She isn't stupid and knows her mother for who she is, but she still loves her [which is good, because no matter how pissed I was when she left I NEVER bad mouthed her to my children and when my oldest would talk to me about it even at the age of 8 at that time she would express anger toward her mother and I would tell her "You have every right to be angry, but she is your mother and you should always love her but I wont tell you that you have no right to be angry at her."] and she does NOT want to be put into the system...I don't blame her and I don't want my children there either.

Since last night I've been doing some research on Michigan's CPS and how they handle this stuff and based on articles like this
[link to michigan.gov]

containing information like this:
Factors Considered Prior to Requesting Removal

Prior to making the decision to request that the court order removal of a child, the following is assessed:

Is the child at imminent risk of harm?
How does the caretaker view the situation?
Is the caretaker cooperative?
Is the caretaker asking for help?
Is the caretaker capable of change?
Are there alternatives to removal?
Are there immediate services that can be put in place to keep the child safe in the home? Can arrangements be made for the child until those services case be put in place?
Will the perpetrator leave the home?
Can court orders be put in place that would keep the child safe?

It sounds an awful lot like a lot of who is removed from the home will rely on her mother. She doesn't trust her mother, why the hell should I? In the words of my daughter "She chose him over me when she left me to go to Alabama, she sides with him every time we argue, why would she side with me now especially when he's the only source of income at the moment?" They're totally isolated, they're not allowed outside to play because of the neighborhood they live in and, when I said they could talk to her at school she told me they're home schooled and didn't say anything before because her mom said not to tell anybody.

I don't care how hard it makes things on her mother, this sumbitch will cease his pedo acts he's committing against my child one way or another, by the state or by me. My dilemma is I know no matter which way I go there is no going back. I hate the state workers and I know if I call them it's out of my hands and whatever happens to my children happens whereas, if I handle it myself I have control of the outcome where they're concerned and am willing to accept my fate if need be for the betterment and safety of my children. Pretty much, It will end but I don't want my children in state's custody. I'm lost on this. I want to let the "justice" system handle things but I question how much "justice" will be there for my children. Does anybody have any helpful insight here?
 Quoting: Darth Hitman


Call the police and handle it that way, I know it's hard to have the law handle something that is so personal to you. But you have to keep in mind if you go to jail for doing something, who will keep your kid safe? Call the cops
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By the kid a spy camera. Record it. Go to cops. Get kid. Jail the fuck.
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I normally stick to world events when posting threads on this site however I need some outside input on how to handle this. I know the most common two things I will receive as a response will be A. Contact the authorities or B. Castrate the mother fucker. I apologize now for the length of this however I feel it's necessary for one to fully understand my individual situation.

August 4th 2004 I woke up [In Illinois] to find my vehicle gone, my wallet emptied, pretty much everything gone except for my clothes, my 3 children and their belongings. My wife was gone without even as much as a note, we had no idea where she was. Two weeks went by and still haven't heard anything from her. She told NOBODY she was leaving or where she was going, including her family. I get a call from her sister in Michigan telling me to keep this between us but her parents were getting calls from her prior to her leaving talking about how I was beating the hell out of her and then from their standpoint how she is now missing and starting to believe I killed her. Using the process of elimination I narrowed her whereabouts down to two locations, her ex-boyfriend's in Corpus Christi Texas or Bayou La Batre Alabama where one of my best friends lived whom I hadn't heard from in quite a bit. I called both police stations, explained the situation and both areas sent an officer to see if my vehicle with matching plates were at the residence...she was at my friend's in Alabama. I instantly wanted nothing more than to kill both of them [and for many years after]. I was consumed by hatred and evil and it effected my mind, and my body.

I was almost locked in a padded room when my doctor asked me "Have you thought about hurting yourself or anyone else?" and I said "FUCK YES!!!" She called the crisis center and, in a room with guards outside the door a crisis center rep asked me all smug "Are you thinking about hurting yourself or anyone else?" I said "No." She dropped all of her folders and papers all over the floor and said "The doctor asked you the same question and you said yes." I responded "NO, the doctor asked me if I have thought about it. My wife left me and my children for my best friend, fuck yes I've thought about it. YOU asked if if I am thinking about it and no, at this very moment I am not. I am currently thinking about how I have to be at work in 2 hours and you're holding me the hell up." They released me but gave me Ambien because I couldn't sleep and anti-depressants like to deal with my stress.

I had no appetite, I rarely ate and due to such I had dropped from 170lbs to 106lbs...I was on a crash course with death. I was failing as a father because I couldn't take care of myself. My mother-in-law [who is pretty well off to do] offered to take them until I could get on my feet and, although I was apprehensive about it as we've never gotten along, I had no other choice. I had a duty as a father and I wasn't meeting that and I knew there was no way I could properly care for my children if I couldn't take care of myself. The combination of pills were having a horrid effect on me. I would take them and I would lose awareness after about 15 minutes or so. I would wake up the next morning having my friend tell me things like being afraid of a teddy bear etc. [This was all before I "woke up" to the agenda of the pharmaceutical companies etc.] On December 13th, 2004 my children went to their grand parent's in Ohio.

I stopped taking the damn pills. I figured there had to have been people in similar situations long before these damn pills that made it without 'em, and if they could do then so the fuck can I. I had a hard time in the NW Burbs of Illinois with sky high living expenses and wound up living in a Motel a lot closer to work. I get a phone call one day from my mother-in-law telling me I had 1 week to come and get my kids or she was turning them over to the state. I told her I am living in a small ass motel room barely big enough for me let alone 3 kids. She repeated what she said again and I asked her where the hell her daughter was and she said she didn't know. I had a few contacts in Alabama who had tipped me off to her place of employment so I called her at work, she said her mom told her the same thing and I told her to go get them then. She gave me a line of bullshit and I told her "I can't get them, you are in a position to and you'd better because I am telling you now if those kids are turned over to the state the first thing they will do is split them up and you honestly don't think they've been through enough? If those kids get turned over I swear with God as my witness I will kill both you and him." That night I got a call from her sister saying they were going to Ohio to pick them up that weekend. That was the last I had talked to my kids at all until September of this past year.

I tried establishing a working relationship with their mother. She has called me asking to send money, I sent it and she still wouldn't let me talk to them. She had cut off ALL contact. I had sent her an email asking her to tell one of my children Happy Birthday for me, to no reply. I was pissed and sent her an email that was...pretty bad SO, she took it upon herself to show my kids to prove how "evil of a man I was". My oldest is in her late teens and smarter than her mother and caught the sending email address while also catching why I sent the email. I get an email from her and we've been talking ever since almost everyday. She said that her mom and him don't want me around at all, he's just started working and when he's not working he's drunk and has told them the reason she left them in the middle of the night like she did was because I was beating her ass, and she feared for her and her children's lives.

Not having seen each other in nearly 8 years and as she self admittedly believed their propaganda push against me for a while the first few months talking via email/IM was pretty much getting to know each other. Now, a few short months later it's hard to explain, but even though all I have is pics she sends, some vids and primarily a screen name I feel I have an actual relationship with my daughter, and judging by last night I believe she feels the same.

Last night she asked me if she could tell me anything and I told her she's asked me some tough questions and I answered them honestly [any failed relationship is 50/50, unlike their mother I realize this and have always been willing to own what is mine, even to her] that it wasn't easy but I did it. She told me she hasn't told anybody including her mom because she's afraid her mom wont believe her and/or will side with him, but for the last 5-6 years her mom's boyfriend has been molesting her. She isn't stupid and knows her mother for who she is, but she still loves her [which is good, because no matter how pissed I was when she left I NEVER bad mouthed her to my children and when my oldest would talk to me about it even at the age of 8 at that time she would express anger toward her mother and I would tell her "You have every right to be angry, but she is your mother and you should always love her but I wont tell you that you have no right to be angry at her."] and she does NOT want to be put into the system...I don't blame her and I don't want my children there either.

Since last night I've been doing some research on Michigan's CPS and how they handle this stuff and based on articles like this
[link to michigan.gov]

containing information like this:
Factors Considered Prior to Requesting Removal

Prior to making the decision to request that the court order removal of a child, the following is assessed:

Is the child at imminent risk of harm?
How does the caretaker view the situation?
Is the caretaker cooperative?
Is the caretaker asking for help?
Is the caretaker capable of change?
Are there alternatives to removal?
Are there immediate services that can be put in place to keep the child safe in the home? Can arrangements be made for the child until those services case be put in place?
Will the perpetrator leave the home?
Can court orders be put in place that would keep the child safe?

It sounds an awful lot like a lot of who is removed from the home will rely on her mother. She doesn't trust her mother, why the hell should I? In the words of my daughter "She chose him over me when she left me to go to Alabama, she sides with him every time we argue, why would she side with me now especially when he's the only source of income at the moment?" They're totally isolated, they're not allowed outside to play because of the neighborhood they live in and, when I said they could talk to her at school she told me they're home schooled and didn't say anything before because her mom said not to tell anybody.

I don't care how hard it makes things on her mother, this sumbitch will cease his pedo acts he's committing against my child one way or another, by the state or by me. My dilemma is I know no matter which way I go there is no going back. I hate the state workers and I know if I call them it's out of my hands and whatever happens to my children happens whereas, if I handle it myself I have control of the outcome where they're concerned and am willing to accept my fate if need be for the betterment and safety of my children. Pretty much, It will end but I don't want my children in state's custody. I'm lost on this. I want to let the "justice" system handle things but I question how much "justice" will be there for my children. Does anybody have any helpful insight here?
 Quoting: Darth Hitman


Call the police and handle it that way, I know it's hard to have the law handle something that is so personal to you. But you have to keep in mind if you go to jail for doing something, who will keep your kid safe? Call the cops
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I REAllY don't want them in state custody...she shouldn't be removed from her home, she's the victim not the offender.
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Don't really have much advice to give since you live in the states, but bumping so that maybe somebody else does.
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Don't really have much advice to give since you live in the states, but bumping so that maybe somebody else does.
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Thank You, I really appreciate it
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Who has legal custody of the kids?
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By the kid a spy camera. Record it. Go to cops. Get kid. Jail the fuck.
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Better yet. Show the copy to him. Beat the living fuck out of him. Dare him to say or do anything.
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By the kid a spy camera. Record it. Go to cops. Get kid. Jail the fuck.
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By the kid a spy camera. Record it. Go to cops. Get kid. Jail the fuck.
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This, I think, is a good idea.
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Re: My Daughter Is Being Molested By Her Mom's Boyfriend
I normally stick to world events when posting threads on this site however I need some outside input on how to handle this. I know the most common two things I will receive as a response will be A. Contact the authorities or B. Castrate the mother fucker. I apologize now for the length of this however I feel it's necessary for one to fully understand my individual situation.

August 4th 2004 I woke up [In Illinois] to find my vehicle gone, my wallet emptied, pretty much everything gone except for my clothes, my 3 children and their belongings. My wife was gone without even as much as a note, we had no idea where she was. Two weeks went by and still haven't heard anything from her. She told NOBODY she was leaving or where she was going, including her family. I get a call from her sister in Michigan telling me to keep this between us but her parents were getting calls from her prior to her leaving talking about how I was beating the hell out of her and then from their standpoint how she is now missing and starting to believe I killed her. Using the process of elimination I narrowed her whereabouts down to two locations, her ex-boyfriend's in Corpus Christi Texas or Bayou La Batre Alabama where one of my best friends lived whom I hadn't heard from in quite a bit. I called both police stations, explained the situation and both areas sent an officer to see if my vehicle with matching plates were at the residence...she was at my friend's in Alabama. I instantly wanted nothing more than to kill both of them [and for many years after]. I was consumed by hatred and evil and it effected my mind, and my body.

I was almost locked in a padded room when my doctor asked me "Have you thought about hurting yourself or anyone else?" and I said "FUCK YES!!!" She called the crisis center and, in a room with guards outside the door a crisis center rep asked me all smug "Are you thinking about hurting yourself or anyone else?" I said "No." She dropped all of her folders and papers all over the floor and said "The doctor asked you the same question and you said yes." I responded "NO, the doctor asked me if I have thought about it. My wife left me and my children for my best friend, fuck yes I've thought about it. YOU asked if if I am thinking about it and no, at this very moment I am not. I am currently thinking about how I have to be at work in 2 hours and you're holding me the hell up." They released me but gave me Ambien because I couldn't sleep and anti-depressants like to deal with my stress.

I had no appetite, I rarely ate and due to such I had dropped from 170lbs to 106lbs...I was on a crash course with death. I was failing as a father because I couldn't take care of myself. My mother-in-law [who is pretty well off to do] offered to take them until I could get on my feet and, although I was apprehensive about it as we've never gotten along, I had no other choice. I had a duty as a father and I wasn't meeting that and I knew there was no way I could properly care for my children if I couldn't take care of myself. The combination of pills were having a horrid effect on me. I would take them and I would lose awareness after about 15 minutes or so. I would wake up the next morning having my friend tell me things like being afraid of a teddy bear etc. [This was all before I "woke up" to the agenda of the pharmaceutical companies etc.] On December 13th, 2004 my children went to their grand parent's in Ohio.

I stopped taking the damn pills. I figured there had to have been people in similar situations long before these damn pills that made it without 'em, and if they could do then so the fuck can I. I had a hard time in the NW Burbs of Illinois with sky high living expenses and wound up living in a Motel a lot closer to work. I get a phone call one day from my mother-in-law telling me I had 1 week to come and get my kids or she was turning them over to the state. I told her I am living in a small ass motel room barely big enough for me let alone 3 kids. She repeated what she said again and I asked her where the hell her daughter was and she said she didn't know. I had a few contacts in Alabama who had tipped me off to her place of employment so I called her at work, she said her mom told her the same thing and I told her to go get them then. She gave me a line of bullshit and I told her "I can't get them, you are in a position to and you'd better because I am telling you now if those kids are turned over to the state the first thing they will do is split them up and you honestly don't think they've been through enough? If those kids get turned over I swear with God as my witness I will kill both you and him." That night I got a call from her sister saying they were going to Ohio to pick them up that weekend. That was the last I had talked to my kids at all until September of this past year.

I tried establishing a working relationship with their mother. She has called me asking to send money, I sent it and she still wouldn't let me talk to them. She had cut off ALL contact. I had sent her an email asking her to tell one of my children Happy Birthday for me, to no reply. I was pissed and sent her an email that was...pretty bad SO, she took it upon herself to show my kids to prove how "evil of a man I was". My oldest is in her late teens and smarter than her mother and caught the sending email address while also catching why I sent the email. I get an email from her and we've been talking ever since almost everyday. She said that her mom and him don't want me around at all, he's just started working and when he's not working he's drunk and has told them the reason she left them in the middle of the night like she did was because I was beating her ass, and she feared for her and her children's lives.

Not having seen each other in nearly 8 years and as she self admittedly believed their propaganda push against me for a while the first few months talking via email/IM was pretty much getting to know each other. Now, a few short months later it's hard to explain, but even though all I have is pics she sends, some vids and primarily a screen name I feel I have an actual relationship with my daughter, and judging by last night I believe she feels the same.

Last night she asked me if she could tell me anything and I told her she's asked me some tough questions and I answered them honestly [any failed relationship is 50/50, unlike their mother I realize this and have always been willing to own what is mine, even to her] that it wasn't easy but I did it. She told me she hasn't told anybody including her mom because she's afraid her mom wont believe her and/or will side with him, but for the last 5-6 years her mom's boyfriend has been molesting her. She isn't stupid and knows her mother for who she is, but she still loves her [which is good, because no matter how pissed I was when she left I NEVER bad mouthed her to my children and when my oldest would talk to me about it even at the age of 8 at that time she would express anger toward her mother and I would tell her "You have every right to be angry, but she is your mother and you should always love her but I wont tell you that you have no right to be angry at her."] and she does NOT want to be put into the system...I don't blame her and I don't want my children there either.

Since last night I've been doing some research on Michigan's CPS and how they handle this stuff and based on articles like this
[link to michigan.gov]

containing information like this:
Factors Considered Prior to Requesting Removal

Prior to making the decision to request that the court order removal of a child, the following is assessed:

Is the child at imminent risk of harm?
How does the caretaker view the situation?
Is the caretaker cooperative?
Is the caretaker asking for help?
Is the caretaker capable of change?
Are there alternatives to removal?
Are there immediate services that can be put in place to keep the child safe in the home? Can arrangements be made for the child until those services case be put in place?
Will the perpetrator leave the home?
Can court orders be put in place that would keep the child safe?

It sounds an awful lot like a lot of who is removed from the home will rely on her mother. She doesn't trust her mother, why the hell should I? In the words of my daughter "She chose him over me when she left me to go to Alabama, she sides with him every time we argue, why would she side with me now especially when he's the only source of income at the moment?" They're totally isolated, they're not allowed outside to play because of the neighborhood they live in and, when I said they could talk to her at school she told me they're home schooled and didn't say anything before because her mom said not to tell anybody.

I don't care how hard it makes things on her mother, this sumbitch will cease his pedo acts he's committing against my child one way or another, by the state or by me. My dilemma is I know no matter which way I go there is no going back. I hate the state workers and I know if I call them it's out of my hands and whatever happens to my children happens whereas, if I handle it myself I have control of the outcome where they're concerned and am willing to accept my fate if need be for the betterment and safety of my children. Pretty much, It will end but I don't want my children in state's custody. I'm lost on this. I want to let the "justice" system handle things but I question how much "justice" will be there for my children. Does anybody have any helpful insight here?
 Quoting: Darth Hitman


Call the police and handle it that way, I know it's hard to have the law handle something that is so personal to you. But you have to keep in mind if you go to jail for doing something, who will keep your kid safe? Call the cops
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I REAllY don't want them in state custody...she shouldn't be removed from her home, she's the victim not the offender.
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Well I'd think you'd really not want your kid to be molested anymore. Get her out of this situation ASAP. State custody, foster homes shit even Julie are all better options then being molested. I have a daughter and I am just telling you exactly what I would do if faced with your situation.
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By the kid a spy camera. Record it. Go to cops. Get kid. Jail the fuck.
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Better yet. Show the copy to him. Beat the living fuck out of him. Dare him to say or do anything.
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Blackmail him. Force him to leave the state.
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Find the biggest mother fucker you can pay off to crack his dick.
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Who has legal custody of the kids?
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Legal custody has never been established. We're still legally married, I don't money for a divorce and she'd rather me not be around her and him then collect child support.
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I REAllY don't want them in state custody...she shouldn't be removed from her home, she's the victim not the offender.
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She needs to be removed. Her mother is sick.
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This happened to me and my ex with our daughter.
Call the cops NOW I cant express how urgent it is for you to step and get something done.
I put the guy away for ten years.
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You know OP, the more I read the more I don't like you. 1 star bitch. If I had your location I would call the cops on you right now.
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By the kid a spy camera. Record it. Go to cops. Get kid. Jail the fuck.
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BEST ADVICE^^^^^^^
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I haven't had contact with any of my children since 2004 as far as their mother is aware. If she finds out I have a world of hell will be unleashed on my daughter.
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I'm in Ohio, but I think any child over the age of 12 years old can pick which parent to live with.

Get one of the children. Then, have them speak the truth and get the others. Then file charges.

That's the best advice I can give you.
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You know OP, the more I read the more I don't like you. 1 star bitch. If I had your location I would call the cops on you right now.
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Based on what? I just found out about this late last night. My daughter is willing to cooperate with authorities when I call them but she wants a good idea of what is going to happen and doesn't want to be put into the system. My first instinct is to kill the rotten piece of shit, but my daughter needs me more and I feel I should care about her concerns in the matter.
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By the kid a spy camera. Record it. Go to cops. Get kid. Jail the fuck.
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BEST ADVICE^^^^^^^
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I haven't had contact with any of my children since 2004 as far as their mother is aware. If she finds out I have a world of hell will be unleashed on my daughter.
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If your that worried about your daughter get here out of there and quit making excuses.
If you don't help her you are just as guilty as he is.
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By the kid a spy camera. Record it. Go to cops. Get kid. Jail the fuck.
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BEST ADVICE^^^^^^^
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I haven't had contact with any of my children since 2004 as far as their mother is aware. If she finds out I have a world of hell will be unleashed on my daughter.
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If your that worried about your daughter get here out of there and quit making excuses.
If you don't help her you are just as guilty as he is.
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I see your point...am calling
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You know OP, the more I read the more I don't like you. 1 star bitch. If I had your location I would call the cops on you right now.
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Based on what? I just found out about this late last night. My daughter is willing to cooperate with authorities when I call them but she wants a good idea of what is going to happen and doesn't want to be put into the system. My first instinct is to kill the rotten piece of shit, but my daughter needs me more and I feel I should care about her concerns in the matter.
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Don't worry about people posting, get your mind right and get a hold of the police. You just found this out last night so there is no reason why this should happen ever again. Do what you need to do and get her out of they situation
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Wait, there is no custody in place?

Go be with your children. Take them home with you.

You hold all the cards and don't know it.

Talk w/a lawyer now.
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Shotgun too the dick.
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Obvious troll post designed to attract GLP females via immediate emotional response.

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Dude.. wow man, I'm sorry.
I hope you get everything taken care of.
Save your daughter.
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I normally stick to world events when posting threads on this site however I need some outside input on how to handle this. I know the most common two things I will receive as a response will be A. Contact the authorities or B. Castrate the mother fucker. I apologize now for the length of this however I feel it's necessary for one to fully understand my individual situation.

August 4th 2004 I woke up [In Illinois] to find my vehicle gone, my wallet emptied, pretty much everything gone except for my clothes, my 3 children and their belongings. My wife was gone without even as much as a note, we had no idea where she was. Two weeks went by and still haven't heard anything from her. She told NOBODY she was leaving or where she was going, including her family. I get a call from her sister in Michigan telling me to keep this between us but her parents were getting calls from her prior to her leaving talking about how I was beating the hell out of her and then from their standpoint how she is now missing and starting to believe I killed her. Using the process of elimination I narrowed her whereabouts down to two locations, her ex-boyfriend's in Corpus Christi Texas or Bayou La Batre Alabama where one of my best friends lived whom I hadn't heard from in quite a bit. I called both police stations, explained the situation and both areas sent an officer to see if my vehicle with matching plates were at the residence...she was at my friend's in Alabama. I instantly wanted nothing more than to kill both of them [and for many years after]. I was consumed by hatred and evil and it effected my mind, and my body.

I was almost locked in a padded room when my doctor asked me "Have you thought about hurting yourself or anyone else?" and I said "FUCK YES!!!" She called the crisis center and, in a room with guards outside the door a crisis center rep asked me all smug "Are you thinking about hurting yourself or anyone else?" I said "No." She dropped all of her folders and papers all over the floor and said "The doctor asked you the same question and you said yes." I responded "NO, the doctor asked me if I have thought about it. My wife left me and my children for my best friend, fuck yes I've thought about it. YOU asked if if I am thinking about it and no, at this very moment I am not. I am currently thinking about how I have to be at work in 2 hours and you're holding me the hell up." They released me but gave me Ambien because I couldn't sleep and anti-depressants like to deal with my stress.

I had no appetite, I rarely ate and due to such I had dropped from 170lbs to 106lbs...I was on a crash course with death. I was failing as a father because I couldn't take care of myself. My mother-in-law [who is pretty well off to do] offered to take them until I could get on my feet and, although I was apprehensive about it as we've never gotten along, I had no other choice. I had a duty as a father and I wasn't meeting that and I knew there was no way I could properly care for my children if I couldn't take care of myself. The combination of pills were having a horrid effect on me. I would take them and I would lose awareness after about 15 minutes or so. I would wake up the next morning having my friend tell me things like being afraid of a teddy bear etc. [This was all before I "woke up" to the agenda of the pharmaceutical companies etc.] On December 13th, 2004 my children went to their grand parent's in Ohio.

I stopped taking the damn pills. I figured there had to have been people in similar situations long before these damn pills that made it without 'em, and if they could do then so the fuck can I. I had a hard time in the NW Burbs of Illinois with sky high living expenses and wound up living in a Motel a lot closer to work. I get a phone call one day from my mother-in-law telling me I had 1 week to come and get my kids or she was turning them over to the state. I told her I am living in a small ass motel room barely big enough for me let alone 3 kids. She repeated what she said again and I asked her where the hell her daughter was and she said she didn't know. I had a few contacts in Alabama who had tipped me off to her place of employment so I called her at work, she said her mom told her the same thing and I told her to go get them then. She gave me a line of bullshit and I told her "I can't get them, you are in a position to and you'd better because I am telling you now if those kids are turned over to the state the first thing they will do is split them up and you honestly don't think they've been through enough? If those kids get turned over I swear with God as my witness I will kill both you and him." That night I got a call from her sister saying they were going to Ohio to pick them up that weekend. That was the last I had talked to my kids at all until September of this past year.

I tried establishing a working relationship with their mother. She has called me asking to send money, I sent it and she still wouldn't let me talk to them. She had cut off ALL contact. I had sent her an email asking her to tell one of my children Happy Birthday for me, to no reply. I was pissed and sent her an email that was...pretty bad SO, she took it upon herself to show my kids to prove how "evil of a man I was". My oldest is in her late teens and smarter than her mother and caught the sending email address while also catching why I sent the email. I get an email from her and we've been talking ever since almost everyday. She said that her mom and him don't want me around at all, he's just started working and when he's not working he's drunk and has told them the reason she left them in the middle of the night like she did was because I was beating her ass, and she feared for her and her children's lives.

Not having seen each other in nearly 8 years and as she self admittedly believed their propaganda push against me for a while the first few months talking via email/IM was pretty much getting to know each other. Now, a few short months later it's hard to explain, but even though all I have is pics she sends, some vids and primarily a screen name I feel I have an actual relationship with my daughter, and judging by last night I believe she feels the same.

Last night she asked me if she could tell me anything and I told her she's asked me some tough questions and I answered them honestly [any failed relationship is 50/50, unlike their mother I realize this and have always been willing to own what is mine, even to her] that it wasn't easy but I did it. She told me she hasn't told anybody including her mom because she's afraid her mom wont believe her and/or will side with him, but for the last 5-6 years her mom's boyfriend has been molesting her. She isn't stupid and knows her mother for who she is, but she still loves her [which is good, because no matter how pissed I was when she left I NEVER bad mouthed her to my children and when my oldest would talk to me about it even at the age of 8 at that time she would express anger toward her mother and I would tell her "You have every right to be angry, but she is your mother and you should always love her but I wont tell you that you have no right to be angry at her."] and she does NOT want to be put into the system...I don't blame her and I don't want my children there either.

Since last night I've been doing some research on Michigan's CPS and how they handle this stuff and based on articles like this
[link to michigan.gov]

containing information like this:
Factors Considered Prior to Requesting Removal

Prior to making the decision to request that the court order removal of a child, the following is assessed:

Is the child at imminent risk of harm?
How does the caretaker view the situation?
Is the caretaker cooperative?
Is the caretaker asking for help?
Is the caretaker capable of change?
Are there alternatives to removal?
Are there immediate services that can be put in place to keep the child safe in the home? Can arrangements be made for the child until those services case be put in place?
Will the perpetrator leave the home?
Can court orders be put in place that would keep the child safe?

It sounds an awful lot like a lot of who is removed from the home will rely on her mother. She doesn't trust her mother, why the hell should I? In the words of my daughter "She chose him over me when she left me to go to Alabama, she sides with him every time we argue, why would she side with me now especially when he's the only source of income at the moment?" They're totally isolated, they're not allowed outside to play because of the neighborhood they live in and, when I said they could talk to her at school she told me they're home schooled and didn't say anything before because her mom said not to tell anybody.

I don't care how hard it makes things on her mother, this sumbitch will cease his pedo acts he's committing against my child one way or another, by the state or by me. My dilemma is I know no matter which way I go there is no going back. I hate the state workers and I know if I call them it's out of my hands and whatever happens to my children happens whereas, if I handle it myself I have control of the outcome where they're concerned and am willing to accept my fate if need be for the betterment and safety of my children. Pretty much, It will end but I don't want my children in state's custody. I'm lost on this. I want to let the "justice" system handle things but I question how much "justice" will be there for my children. Does anybody have any helpful insight here?
 Quoting: Darth Hitman


Call the police and handle it that way, I know it's hard to have the law handle something that is so personal to you. But you have to keep in mind if you go to jail for doing something, who will keep your kid safe? Call the cops
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I REAllY don't want them in state custody...she shouldn't be removed from her home, she's the victim not the offender.
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You should have filed kidnapping charges against her the first incident, i don't care if you say it was his idea, SHE is the one having him around the kids, which makes her guilty because she doesn't stand up to him in regards to the kids, thus endangering the kids. Can't you get custody?

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If I were in your shoes man, I would take the justice into my own hands, that fucking pedo is more guilty than you are. I would stalk him for days and when the opportunity is right beat him with an inch of his life in from of his colleagues, friends or family, and then I would do it again after left the hospital.

I'm sorry to hear your situation my friend, sadly this isn't the first and last time I'll hear about a psycho bitch ruining the lives of their children.
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If you have been made aware that there is a suspicion of sexual assault taking place, you are legally REQUIRED to notify the authorities.

You do not need to know for fact that this has occurred for you to be REQUIRED to call and make a report.

There are laws in effect which take precedence over any feelings you may or may not have.

That there will be very significant upheaval in the home is a fact, but that cannot be helped. What is most important is that your daughter understand that what is happening is a crime and that she has a right to be protected from it.

No one said it was going to be easy. I'm sorry this is happening. Now it is up to you to take the steps you must take.
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I normally stick to world events when posting threads on this site however I need some outside input on how to handle this. I know the most common two things I will receive as a response will be A. Contact the authorities or B. Castrate the mother fucker. I apologize now for the length of this however I feel it's necessary for one to fully understand my individual situation.

August 4th 2004 I woke up [In Illinois] to find my vehicle gone, my wallet emptied, pretty much everything gone except for my clothes, my 3 children and their belongings. My wife was gone without even as much as a note, we had no idea where she was. Two weeks went by and still haven't heard anything from her. She told NOBODY she was leaving or where she was going, including her family. I get a call from her sister in Michigan telling me to keep this between us but her parents were getting calls from her prior to her leaving talking about how I was beating the hell out of her and then from their standpoint how she is now missing and starting to believe I killed her. Using the process of elimination I narrowed her whereabouts down to two locations, her ex-boyfriend's in Corpus Christi Texas or Bayou La Batre Alabama where one of my best friends lived whom I hadn't heard from in quite a bit. I called both police stations, explained the situation and both areas sent an officer to see if my vehicle with matching plates were at the residence...she was at my friend's in Alabama. I instantly wanted nothing more than to kill both of them [and for many years after]. I was consumed by hatred and evil and it effected my mind, and my body.

I was almost locked in a padded room when my doctor asked me "Have you thought about hurting yourself or anyone else?" and I said "FUCK YES!!!" She called the crisis center and, in a room with guards outside the door a crisis center rep asked me all smug "Are you thinking about hurting yourself or anyone else?" I said "No." She dropped all of her folders and papers all over the floor and said "The doctor asked you the same question and you said yes." I responded "NO, the doctor asked me if I have thought about it. My wife left me and my children for my best friend, fuck yes I've thought about it. YOU asked if if I am thinking about it and no, at this very moment I am not. I am currently thinking about how I have to be at work in 2 hours and you're holding me the hell up." They released me but gave me Ambien because I couldn't sleep and anti-depressants like to deal with my stress.

I had no appetite, I rarely ate and due to such I had dropped from 170lbs to 106lbs...I was on a crash course with death. I was failing as a father because I couldn't take care of myself. My mother-in-law [who is pretty well off to do] offered to take them until I could get on my feet and, although I was apprehensive about it as we've never gotten along, I had no other choice. I had a duty as a father and I wasn't meeting that and I knew there was no way I could properly care for my children if I couldn't take care of myself. The combination of pills were having a horrid effect on me. I would take them and I would lose awareness after about 15 minutes or so. I would wake up the next morning having my friend tell me things like being afraid of a teddy bear etc. [This was all before I "woke up" to the agenda of the pharmaceutical companies etc.] On December 13th, 2004 my children went to their grand parent's in Ohio.

I stopped taking the damn pills. I figured there had to have been people in similar situations long before these damn pills that made it without 'em, and if they could do then so the fuck can I. I had a hard time in the NW Burbs of Illinois with sky high living expenses and wound up living in a Motel a lot closer to work. I get a phone call one day from my mother-in-law telling me I had 1 week to come and get my kids or she was turning them over to the state. I told her I am living in a small ass motel room barely big enough for me let alone 3 kids. She repeated what she said again and I asked her where the hell her daughter was and she said she didn't know. I had a few contacts in Alabama who had tipped me off to her place of employment so I called her at work, she said her mom told her the same thing and I told her to go get them then. She gave me a line of bullshit and I told her "I can't get them, you are in a position to and you'd better because I am telling you now if those kids are turned over to the state the first thing they will do is split them up and you honestly don't think they've been through enough? If those kids get turned over I swear with God as my witness I will kill both you and him." That night I got a call from her sister saying they were going to Ohio to pick them up that weekend. That was the last I had talked to my kids at all until September of this past year.

I tried establishing a working relationship with their mother. She has called me asking to send money, I sent it and she still wouldn't let me talk to them. She had cut off ALL contact. I had sent her an email asking her to tell one of my children Happy Birthday for me, to no reply. I was pissed and sent her an email that was...pretty bad SO, she took it upon herself to show my kids to prove how "evil of a man I was". My oldest is in her late teens and smarter than her mother and caught the sending email address while also catching why I sent the email. I get an email from her and we've been talking ever since almost everyday. She said that her mom and him don't want me around at all, he's just started working and when he's not working he's drunk and has told them the reason she left them in the middle of the night like she did was because I was beating her ass, and she feared for her and her children's lives.

Not having seen each other in nearly 8 years and as she self admittedly believed their propaganda push against me for a while the first few months talking via email/IM was pretty much getting to know each other. Now, a few short months later it's hard to explain, but even though all I have is pics she sends, some vids and primarily a screen name I feel I have an actual relationship with my daughter, and judging by last night I believe she feels the same.

Last night she asked me if she could tell me anything and I told her she's asked me some tough questions and I answered them honestly [any failed relationship is 50/50, unlike their mother I realize this and have always been willing to own what is mine, even to her] that it wasn't easy but I did it. She told me she hasn't told anybody including her mom because she's afraid her mom wont believe her and/or will side with him, but for the last 5-6 years her mom's boyfriend has been molesting her. She isn't stupid and knows her mother for who she is, but she still loves her [which is good, because no matter how pissed I was when she left I NEVER bad mouthed her to my children and when my oldest would talk to me about it even at the age of 8 at that time she would express anger toward her mother and I would tell her "You have every right to be angry, but she is your mother and you should always love her but I wont tell you that you have no right to be angry at her."] and she does NOT want to be put into the system...I don't blame her and I don't want my children there either.

Since last night I've been doing some research on Michigan's CPS and how they handle this stuff and based on articles like this
[link to michigan.gov]

containing information like this:
Factors Considered Prior to Requesting Removal

Prior to making the decision to request that the court order removal of a child, the following is assessed:

Is the child at imminent risk of harm?
How does the caretaker view the situation?
Is the caretaker cooperative?
Is the caretaker asking for help?
Is the caretaker capable of change?
Are there alternatives to removal?
Are there immediate services that can be put in place to keep the child safe in the home? Can arrangements be made for the child until those services case be put in place?
Will the perpetrator leave the home?
Can court orders be put in place that would keep the child safe?

It sounds an awful lot like a lot of who is removed from the home will rely on her mother. She doesn't trust her mother, why the hell should I? In the words of my daughter "She chose him over me when she left me to go to Alabama, she sides with him every time we argue, why would she side with me now especially when he's the only source of income at the moment?" They're totally isolated, they're not allowed outside to play because of the neighborhood they live in and, when I said they could talk to her at school she told me they're home schooled and didn't say anything before because her mom said not to tell anybody.

I don't care how hard it makes things on her mother, this sumbitch will cease his pedo acts he's committing against my child one way or another, by the state or by me. My dilemma is I know no matter which way I go there is no going back. I hate the state workers and I know if I call them it's out of my hands and whatever happens to my children happens whereas, if I handle it myself I have control of the outcome where they're concerned and am willing to accept my fate if need be for the betterment and safety of my children. Pretty much, It will end but I don't want my children in state's custody. I'm lost on this. I want to let the "justice" system handle things but I question how much "justice" will be there for my children. Does anybody have any helpful insight here?
 Quoting: Darth Hitman


Cunts, all of them. There I said it.

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