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Where do thoughts come from? SERIOUSLY! Come on GLP, ideas...

 
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If we are just a body made up of electrons, atoms, energy and electrical charges etc....

all that must interact with one another according to some laws of physics.

A thought can't be just an electrical charge in the brain...

so then what are they and what possible origin is there for thoughts?????

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Nobody knows what a thought (or consciousness) is.

Nobody knows what these are either:

Matter
Energy
Space
Time
Light
Gravity
Magnetism
Life
Death

In short, we don't really know what anything is.

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Thoughts are the product of stimuli.

They come from what you focus on.

If you look around this forum, you will easily see the proof.


Those who focus on their sexual parts, will always bring fornication into a conversation.

Those who focus on others, will always bring gossip.

Those who focus on their belly, are always talking shit.

Those who focus on books, regurgitate them with fervor.


Those who focus on the world around them, bring scientific discoveries, politics, and all manner of things from the world.



And those few who focus on their maker, the unknown Almighty, well they bring wisdom, wonders and miracles.


If you focus on the thoughts themselves, well you get stuck in a loop.


Focus on no thoughts at all and let them vaporize,

Inner peace.

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You made it clear that some come from coffee.
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Thoughts are the product of stimuli.

They come from what you focus on.

If you look around this forum, you will easily see the proof.


Those who focus on their sexual parts, will always bring fornication into a conversation.

Those who focus on others, will always bring gossip.

Those who focus on their belly, are always talking shit.

Those who focus on books, regurgitate them with fervor.


Those who focus on the world around them, bring scientific discoveries, politics, and all manner of things from the world.



And those few who focus on their maker, the unknown Almighty, well they bring wisdom, wonders and miracles.


If you focus on the thoughts themselves, well you get stuck in a loop.


Focus on no thoughts at all and let them vaporize,

Inner peace.
 Quoting: IAMIAM


Not sure I agree with what your saying there. Given exactly the same stimuli and regardless of focus we think different things, often totally random from any trigger or focus that preceded it.
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How am I able to visualize something in my head? What are those images in my head made of? Do they take up any space?
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Nobody knows what a thought (or consciousness) is.

Nobody knows what these are either:

Matter
Energy
Space
Time
Light
Gravity
Magnetism
Life
Death

In short, we don't really know what anything is.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


I agree with most of what you say about the above list that we may not know exactly what they are, but we tend to have scientific theories (which over time can get redefined) that can measure or predict various things or attributes about them.

With thoughts there is no theory to explain the origin. None that I know of anyway .... we only can observe the effect but know nothing about the cause.
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Love, both figuratively and literally, If for no other reason then your ability to have them. hf

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'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

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How am I able to visualize something in my head? What are those images in my head made of? Do they take up any space?
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Good questions, I don't't know ... but where did that thought come from in the first place to trigger all that?
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Do you believe in the theory that we all make it up as we go along? That say that matter is not solid but just electrical charges. Nothing around us is solid but continuously in motion. So as we think it, it becomes reality. I don't think I believe this myself but I found that theory interesting.
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Do you believe in the theory that we all make it up as we go along? That say that matter is not solid but just electrical charges. Nothing around us is solid but continuously in motion. So as we think it, it becomes reality. I don't think I believe this myself but I found that theory interesting.
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Yeah, heard that and similar sorts of theories previously. All scientific nonsense in my eyes. We can't just think and things materialise. But how and why do we think in the first place?

Each of us at times have absolutely no control of what we think about. Random things can just pop into our heads ... Why? And what is the source of these and all thoughts. Is there any theories at all as to WHY?
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Thoughts are the product of stimuli.

They come from what you focus on.

If you look around this forum, you will easily see the proof.


Those who focus on their sexual parts, will always bring fornication into a conversation.

Those who focus on others, will always bring gossip.

Those who focus on their belly, are always talking shit.

Those who focus on books, regurgitate them with fervor.


Those who focus on the world around them, bring scientific discoveries, politics, and all manner of things from the world.



And those few who focus on their maker, the unknown Almighty, well they bring wisdom, wonders and miracles.


If you focus on the thoughts themselves, well you get stuck in a loop.


Focus on no thoughts at all and let them vaporize,

Inner peace.
 Quoting: IAMIAM


Not sure I agree with what your saying there. Given exactly the same stimuli and regardless of focus we think different things, often totally random from any trigger or focus that preceded it.
 Quoting: FreedomFox


Of course we all think differently.

There are too many variables to list!

Age, sex, maturity, upbringing, environment, etc.


My goodness man, you ask a question that has baffled philosophers and sages through the ages, and expect a post that will answer it?

peace


Think on thoughts.

You will arrive at an answer that is sufficient for you.

Bless you on your journey.

You are asking the right questions.
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How am I able to visualize something in my head? What are those images in my head made of? Do they take up any space?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33843160


Good questions, I don't't know ... but where did that thought come from in the first place to trigger all that?
 Quoting: FreedomFox

The answer is actually the simplest- the same as everything else- Love, for truly there is nothing else.
As to the images/imaginations... might this be a valid perspective? Best answer I've ever heard.hf

Excerpted from page 105 of
"Conversations with God
· an uncommon dialogue" ·
book 1
Neale Donald Walsch
1992 -1994
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"Forever is longer than you know. Eternal is longer than Forever. God is more than you imagine. God is the energy you call imagination. God is creation. God is first thought. And
God is last experience. And God is everything in between."-God
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

[link to www.youtube.com]
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it could be a spiritual source. the body is the construct and "vehicle".
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it could be a spiritual source. the body is the construct and "vehicle".
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That is what some famous person said. I can't remember who, a scientist, I think. He said that the human body is a biological machine, that is operated by a ghost.
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Love, both figuratively and literally, If for no other reason then your ability to have them. hf
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Thanks for that ... but can't be love alone as we all have some not very nice thoughts at times (to put it mildly!) which are an eternity away from, love lol! Though I like the notion that all things can come from love hf
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Do you believe in the theory that we all make it up as we go along? That say that matter is not solid but just electrical charges. Nothing around us is solid but continuously in motion. So as we think it, it becomes reality. I don't think I believe this myself but I found that theory interesting.
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Yeah, heard that and similar sorts of theories previously. All scientific nonsense in my eyes. We can't just think and things materialise. But how and why do we think in the first place?

Each of us at times have absolutely no control of what we think about. Random things can just pop into our heads ... Why? And what is the source of these and all thoughts. Is there any theories at all as to WHY?
 Quoting: FreedomFox

Yeah, that is a good question. Scientists do say that things pop into existence when we look at them. It is part of quantum physics. I have seen several you tube videos explaining this theory. But it never made much sense to me.

How about animals? Right now my dogs are crying because my husband went outside. The thing is, my dogs don't usually cry when he leaves the house, except for on Saturday. They are conditioned to think they will go over to see my husband's dad on Saturday because they usually do and when my husband left the house, the thought he left without them. Are they thinking? What would an animal's thoughts be like? Just wondering, but I suppose none of us know.
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Love, both figuratively and literally, If for no other reason then your ability to have them. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


Thanks for that ... but can't be love alone as we all have some not very nice thoughts at times (to put it mildly!) which are an eternity away from, love lol! Though I like the notion that all things can come from love hf
 Quoting: FreedomFox

Yet even that is love cause the possibility, potential and opportunity for it to be so... is love defined unconditionally, is it not? Where is the love if certain things are off limits? defeats itself don't you see?hf
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

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Nobody knows what a thought (or consciousness) is.

Nobody knows what these are either:

Matter
Energy
Space
Time
Light
Gravity
Magnetism
Life
Death

In short, we don't really know what anything is.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


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it could be a spiritual source. the body is the construct and "vehicle".
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That is what some famous person said. I can't remember who, a scientist, I think. He said that the human body is a biological machine, that is operated by a ghost.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


That's as good a theory as any I've heard!peace

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Nobody knows what a thought (or consciousness) is.

Nobody knows what these are either:

Matter
Energy
Space
Time
Light
Gravity
Magnetism
Life
Death

In short, we don't really know what anything is.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


God
 Quoting: BRIEF


Na,he wanted us not to think.

Satan : )

Sorry OP.

It is one of those questions.

Random stimuli ordered by need perhaps?
The thing that hath been,
is That which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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Very good question, but why don't you investigate yourself?

Follow thoughts to their source and you will find something very amazing. Non intellectually and not conceptually, follow it experientially.

Where does this body come from? Same place as thoughts come from. Science says that this body or any matter is 99% empty space. Then what holds up 'matter', this 1% ? Why can't you go through wall if it is empty space?
There are some kind of forces which regulates this behavior.

It lies deep down within each one of us, waiting to be discovered.

"Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."

Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

Be still [mind] and know 'I AM' [is] God. (explanation: the first knowledge you get is 'i Am', it dawns on you suddenly and everything other just follow after, come back to it, stay there, feel it, love it, meditate on it and it will reveal everything to you, very simple, but it works, persistence is the key)
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Love, both figuratively and literally, If for no other reason then your ability to have them. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


Thanks for that ... but can't be love alone as we all have some not very nice thoughts at times (to put it mildly!) which are an eternity away from, love lol! Though I like the notion that all things can come from love hf
 Quoting: FreedomFox

Yet even that is love cause the possibility, potential and opportunity for it to be so... is love defined unconditionally, is it not? Where is the love if certain things are off limits? defeats itself don't you see?hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


You've got me thinking, though can't quiet comprehend at the moment exactly what you mean! I'll have to grapple with your statement a bit longer to get to the meaning.

Thanks for the earlier link to the PDF book. coffee4 Is there a link to the part 2 available?
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Nobody knows what a thought (or consciousness) is.

Nobody knows what these are either:

Matter
Energy
Space
Time
Light
Gravity
Magnetism
Life
Death

In short, we don't really know what anything is.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


God
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God? God what? hmm
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Very good question, but why don't you investigate yourself?

Follow thoughts to their source and you will find something very amazing. Non intellectually and not conceptually, follow it experientially.

Where does this body come from? Same place as thoughts come from. Science says that this body or any matter is 99% empty space. Then what holds up 'matter', this 1% ? Why can't you go through wall if it is empty space?
There are some kind of forces which regulates this behavior.

It lies deep down within each one of us, waiting to be discovered.

"Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."

Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

Be still [mind] and know 'I AM' [is] God. (explanation: the first knowledge you get is 'i Am', it dawns on you suddenly and everything other just follow after, come back to it, stay there, feel it, love it, meditate on it and it will reveal everything to you, very simple, but it works, persistence is the key)
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It is fine if you want to bring religion into this discussion and the words of Jesus BUT you know that the Hindu people have thoughts, and the Muslim people think. I just don't think you can throw the "Christian answer" into this mix. It doesn't work that way. We are all one. So you found Jesus, or so you say. Maybe someone else will find something else and it goes on and on. God is different for everyone and some people exist just fine without the belief in any gods.
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Love, both figuratively and literally, If for no other reason then your ability to have them. hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


Thanks for that ... but can't be love alone as we all have some not very nice thoughts at times (to put it mildly!) which are an eternity away from, love lol! Though I like the notion that all things can come from love hf
 Quoting: FreedomFox

Yet even that is love cause the possibility, potential and opportunity for it to be so... is love defined unconditionally, is it not? Where is the love if certain things are off limits? defeats itself don't you see?hf
 Quoting: Seeker of Truth


You've got me thinking, though can't quiet comprehend at the moment exactly what you mean! I'll have to grapple with your statement a bit longer to get to the meaning.

Thanks for the earlier link to the PDF book. coffee4 Is there a link to the part 2 available?
 Quoting: FreedomFox

Everything I parrot is directly attribtal to those books, especially number 1. Your answers are in it. Never could find book 2 &3 on line so them I bought them in paperback off Amazon.hf
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

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My question would be

Why does the origin of thought need to be known?

We gotta crawl first.
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Nobody knows what a thought (or consciousness) is.

Nobody knows what these are either:

Matter
Energy
Space
Time
Light
Gravity
Magnetism
Life
Death

In short, we don't really know what anything is.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


God
 Quoting: BRIEF


Na,he wanted us not to think.

Satan : )

Sorry OP.

It is one of those questions.

Random stimuli ordered by need perhaps?
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


No, what Satan did was to corrupt Eve into thinking that nakedness was shameful and bad...she ate from the tree of knowledge of evil and wickedness...God wanted humanity to flourish and grow without evil, to develop and grow spiritually without the distractions and destruction that the knowledge of evil brings...
With freedom comes responsibility.

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If we are just a body made up of electrons, atoms, energy and electrical charges etc....

all that must interact with one another according to some laws of physics.

A thought can't be just an electrical charge in the brain...

so then what are they and what possible origin is there for thoughts?????
 Quoting: FreedomFox


We are not simply a body made up of electrongs, atoms, blah blah blah, every time a scientist describes "something" in such terms he is simply describing the type of dance "something" is doing. We confuse ourselves with nouns. We think we are nouns.

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