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WE ALL FALL SHORT OF GOD'S STANDARD!!!!

 
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I would say that Jesus Christ's example is God's Standard, and while there is no way possible for us to live as graciously, humbly, or lovingly as Jesus did, that does not excuse us from trying and striving to. Our Father knows our hearts, just as He knows His Son's heart, and those hearts that strive to follow His Son's heart are truly His children.
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By Man's standards, it is impossible, but to God, all things are possible.
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Yes, all things are possible with and through God, and that is why we must throw down the earthly chains of enslavement and walk in Jesus' footsteps. Only through the Son will we be joined with the Father.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

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We fall short of our own expectations much less our assumed expectations of a higher power we pretend to understand.
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i am not PRETENDING i understand god at all. but i guess you know god right.????
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You said it.
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you daft? Christians winning.
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We all need Jesus' help - so let Him help you!


"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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OP thank God for the Blood of Jesus. Without the shedding of blood there is not remission of sin. Thank God we are under a better convenat that when we do sin if we confess our sin that God is faithful to forgive us ours sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

That old song what can wash away our sins, nothing but the Blood of Jesus, is so true today. We need what Jesus did at the Cross to be preached in every church. Very few are preaching the true gospel. Thank God for the Blood of Jesus
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you daft? Christians winning.
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I didn't realize it was a battle, but maybe that's the problem with these sort of 'discussions.' So much emotion and energy, it's as if one is fighting for their life and purpose. I get that. I understand faith gives purpose and that's great. It's a difficult belief system to maintain too, so it can become very personal when I didn't mean for it to be...in all sincerity. In a way we're both trying to defend the integrity of what we believe or perceive, and we can come to a common ground there.

Our logic and common sense of the day really points towards a more practical, or scientific approach. I don't think we should get angry or reject everything that comes our way, but I understand why people hold onto their faith and react emotionally to other approaches. I know I have in the past.

I posted and had it 'thrown back at me' ironically. I said, basically, we make an assumption to understand 'God', and he said I'm making an assumption that he's assuming! Touche! You're right on that level. Two wrongs don't make a right, aye aye?



THE LIFE OF A CHRISTIAN is always under "the watchful eyes" of all "non believers" and as soon as a christian falls or "sins" against "his convictions", then the fingers are pointed and "the sin" is "thrown in their face" or "broadcast" far and wide.!!


After reading your words, I can pick out some sentences that I understand and relate to. In a way we're both on the same boat, but I'm a little less literal than you in my approach is all.
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OP thank God for the Blood of Jesus. Without the shedding of blood there is not remission of sin. Thank God we are under a better convenat that when we do sin if we confess our sin that God is faithful to forgive us ours sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

That old song what can wash away our sins, nothing but the Blood of Jesus, is so true today. We need what Jesus did at the Cross to be preached in every church. Very few are preaching the true gospel. Thank God for the Blood of Jesus
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Oh yes!

Joy to the World we slayed a Man on the Cross.



NO!

To be saved you MUST keep his commandments.

They are not hard.

They are not impossible.

He said it himself, his burden is Light!


Your false doctrine would have him crucified again!

Love the LEAST of these as you love me is what he said.




Now go worship some poor desperate homeless guy as you do Jesus, then you will have kept his commandments.




YOU make ME sick!
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OP thank God for the Blood of Jesus. Without the shedding of blood there is not remission of sin. Thank God we are under a better convenat that when we do sin if we confess our sin that God is faithful to forgive us ours sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

That old song what can wash away our sins, nothing but the Blood of Jesus, is so true today. We need what Jesus did at the Cross to be preached in every church. Very few are preaching the true gospel. Thank God for the Blood of Jesus
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Oh yes!

Joy to the World we slayed a Man on the Cross.



NO!

To be saved you MUST keep his commandments.

They are not hard.

They are not impossible.

He said it himself, his burden is Light!


Your false doctrine would have him crucified again!

Love the LEAST of these as you love me is what he said.




Now go worship some poor desperate homeless guy as you do Jesus, then you will have kept his commandments.




YOU make ME sick!
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I see the Blood of Jesus is really an offense to you. Do you beleive the Bible at all, or are you just trying to get to heaven by works. You can keep all the commandments you want but until you accept what Jesus did on the cross you are lost and on your way to hell.
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OP thank God for the Blood of Jesus. Without the shedding of blood there is not remission of sin. Thank God we are under a better convenat that when we do sin if we confess our sin that God is faithful to forgive us ours sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

That old song what can wash away our sins, nothing but the Blood of Jesus, is so true today. We need what Jesus did at the Cross to be preached in every church. Very few are preaching the true gospel. Thank God for the Blood of Jesus
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This is what Jesus was about.


Repent.
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I see the Blood of Jesus is really an offense to you. Do you beleive the Bible at all, or are you just trying to get to heaven by works. You can keep all the commandments you want but until you accept what Jesus did on the cross you are lost and on your way to hell.
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Oh shut the fuck up.

I live and breath the Word of God.

Take your book and shove it up your ass side ways, for it has done nothing but become a stumbling block between you and your sense.

This is who it is about you vile serpent.




Repent

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I would say that Jesus Christ's example is God's Standard, and while there is no way possible for us to live as graciously, humbly, or lovingly as Jesus did, that does not excuse us from trying and striving to. Our Father knows our hearts, just as He knows His Son's heart, and those hearts that strive to follow His Son's heart are truly His children.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Euhm is that the same God that ordered a bunch of angels to slaughter hundreds if not thousands of innocent babies and children because he disagreed with their dictator (10th plague of egypt)?

Where is the love in that?

Or what exactly is your definition of humble? Have you ever even read the 10 commandments? And you dear to claim your God is "humble"?
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I would say that Jesus Christ's example is God's Standard, and while there is no way possible for us to live as graciously, humbly, or lovingly as Jesus did, that does not excuse us from trying and striving to. Our Father knows our hearts, just as He knows His Son's heart, and those hearts that strive to follow His Son's heart are truly His children.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Euhm is that the same God that ordered a bunch of angels to slaughter hundreds if not thousands of innocent babies and children because he disagreed with their dictator (10th plague of egypt)?

Where is the love in that?

Or what exactly is your definition of humble? Have you ever even read the 10 commandments? And you dear to claim your God is "humble"?
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Wow - seems like you've got quite an axe to grind, my friend. Your first instinct is to call into question God the Father, and because that is the case, you fail to see the reasoning and purpose in God's plan for us. You mock Him, ridicule Him, and you are but a tiny infinitesimal speck compared to Him.

Never forget that God created us, and those children were His creation, to do with as He pleases. What you failed to include in your understanding is that these plagues were sent to force the Pharaoh to release the Isrealites from slavery. Even if we did not know that was the reason, who are we to question the Will and Purpose of our Father?

God does not need our validation, and humility is our mandate to prove to Him, not the other way around. Stop trying to find fault with your Creator, and choose instead to find your own faults and correct them. Then, and only then, will you begin to understand what so confuses you now.

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"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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I see the Blood of Jesus is really an offense to you. Do you beleive the Bible at all, or are you just trying to get to heaven by works. You can keep all the commandments you want but until you accept what Jesus did on the cross you are lost and on your way to hell.
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Oh shut the fuck up.

I live and breath the Word of God.

Take your book and shove it up your ass side ways, for it has done nothing but become a stumbling block between you and your sense.

This is who it is about you vile serpent.




Repent
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I see the Holy Spirit is convicting you. You are a demon possessed person that thinks works will get you to heaven. The Blood of Jesus washes away sins, The Blood of Jesus has power over every demon in the universe. It is not works lest anyone should boast but it is the Blood of Jesus. Thank God for the Blood of Jesus. You see The Blood of Jesus bothers demons such as yourself. You have a vile nasty mouth, you are demon possessed person, and if you will Jesus will save you right now.

Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
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I see the Holy Spirit is convicting you. You are a demon possessed person that thinks works will get you to heaven. The Blood of Jesus washes away sins, The Blood of Jesus has power over every demon in the universe. It is not works lest anyone should boast but it is the Blood of Jesus. Thank God for the Blood of Jesus. You see The Blood of Jesus bothers demons such as yourself. You have a vile nasty mouth, you are demon possessed person, and if you will Jesus will save you right now.

Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
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So Paul is your Master then?

Good! You can follow him into the ditch you hypocrite.

Jesus was the Way, not Paul.

Jesus was the Truth, not Paul.

Jesus was the Life, not Paul.



8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Go with your false apostle into the pits of Hell.

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i wish for once god would speak for himself.

or, did his followers rip his tongue out?
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Like you would believe him?

Drink the water and find out.
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Is that living water?
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i wish for once god would speak for himself.

or, did his followers rip his tongue out?
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Like you would believe him?

Drink the water and find out.
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Is that living water?
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To some,

To others, a deadly poison.
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Never forget that God created us, and those children were His creation, to do with as He pleases. What you failed to include in your understanding is that these plagues were sent to force the Pharaoh to release the Isrealites from slavery. Even if we did not know that was the reason, who are we to question the Will and Purpose of our Father?
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So you are saying that it was a loving God when he ordered the slaughtering thousands of innocent children because he disagreed with their dictator? Or do you think those children had chosen to be born in the country where that pharaoh ruled? Or any influence over the Israelites being slaves? Or even any influence over the Pharaoh at all?

Besides wasn't your God almighty to start with? Couldn't he just have poofed the Israelites to safety? Or kill the actual people responsible for enslaving them instead of innocent children?
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i wish for once god would speak for himself.

or, did his followers rip his tongue out?
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He spoke and it was written down... he was here some 20 generations ago
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still hearsay. even if it was accurate. that does not even hold up with lowly human logic.

think about it for once in your life.

its even known that books have been censored. we talking about Rome here doing it, along with the harlot.

considering that the magi were there waiting for him, and helped him escape, i would trust the gnostic wrightings much more than the cannon created by the very power that killed him.

dont you?
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Is George Washington hear say?

Ever heard of the dead sea scrolls? They've been untouched for 2000 years
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Never forget that God created us, and those children were His creation, to do with as He pleases. What you failed to include in your understanding is that these plagues were sent to force the Pharaoh to release the Isrealites from slavery. Even if we did not know that was the reason, who are we to question the Will and Purpose of our Father?
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So you are saying that it was a loving God when he ordered the slaughtering thousands of innocent children because he disagreed with their dictator? Or do you think those children had chosen to be born in the country where that pharaoh ruled? Or any influence over the Israelites being slaves? Or even any influence over the Pharaoh at all?

Besides wasn't your God almighty to start with? Couldn't he just have poofed the Israelites to safety? Or kill the actual people responsible for enslaving them instead of innocent children?
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I know a loving God sent his son to earth to die for the likes of you

All the violence in the world today... you think its ok that country's can destroy each other? When is violence justified in your mind? How many countries is Obama going after?
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Never forget that God created us, and those children were His creation, to do with as He pleases. What you failed to include in your understanding is that these plagues were sent to force the Pharaoh to release the Isrealites from slavery. Even if we did not know that was the reason, who are we to question the Will and Purpose of our Father?
 Quoting: Rising Son


So you are saying that it was a loving God when he ordered the slaughtering thousands of innocent children because he disagreed with their dictator? Or do you think those children had chosen to be born in the country where that pharaoh ruled? Or any influence over the Israelites being slaves? Or even any influence over the Pharaoh at all?

Besides wasn't your God almighty to start with? Couldn't he just have poofed the Israelites to safety? Or kill the actual people responsible for enslaving them instead of innocent children?
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I know a loving God sent his son to earth to die for the likes of you

All the violence in the world today... you think its ok that country's can destroy each other? When is violence justified in your mind? How many countries is Obama going after?
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Why would him sacrificing his son (who happens to be him as well) undo anything he did wrong?

Also what does the violence in the world today or Obama have to do with the simple fact that you are revering a babyslaughterer (while claiming he loves us)? Even if Obama, Hu Jintao and/or Merkel had horns that wouldn't be relevant to the discussion whether what your god did was evil or not.
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Never forget that God created us, and those children were His creation, to do with as He pleases. What you failed to include in your understanding is that these plagues were sent to force the Pharaoh to release the Isrealites from slavery. Even if we did not know that was the reason, who are we to question the Will and Purpose of our Father?
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So you are saying that it was a loving God when he ordered the slaughtering thousands of innocent children because he disagreed with their dictator? Or do you think those children had chosen to be born in the country where that pharaoh ruled? Or any influence over the Israelites being slaves? Or even any influence over the Pharaoh at all?

Besides wasn't your God almighty to start with? Couldn't he just have poofed the Israelites to safety? Or kill the actual people responsible for enslaving them instead of innocent children?
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You forget, God warned the Pharaoh that this would happen BEFORE it did, yet the Pharaoh did nothing to stop it. The Pharaoh could have freed the Isrealites to save the firstborn children of his kingdom, but he chose not to. God chose the firstborn children because he knew that was what the Egyptians held most dear, just as God held dear the Isrealites. Again, those children were God's Creation to do with as He pleases - yet He was gracious enough to give the Pharaoh a chance before taking them from him.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

Truth needs no validation because it is self-evident and undeniable. Therefore, anything that requires validation to be realized or justified as truth must contain at least some degree of falsehood.

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Why would him sacrificing his son (who happens to be him as well) undo anything he did wrong?

Also what does the violence in the world today or Obama have to do with the simple fact that you are revering a babyslaughterer (while claiming he loves us)? Even if Obama, Hu Jintao and/or Merkel had horns that wouldn't be relevant to the discussion whether what your god did was evil or not.
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putin

I don't know which is worse to watch, your questions failing to address the true nature of God, or the sillier replies in attempt to answer them.

If it didn't give me a complete fucking migraine coming down to this level, I would parlay with you.

So, I will leave you to debate the milk with the kids, but first...


Good and Evil are completely concepts of Man.

God is the giver and taker of ALL Life.

If a Life ends, it is only by the Hand of God.

Man seeks to blame each other, or take credit, where ever it suits his own fragile ego.
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This guy gets what you miss.
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Never forget that God created us, and those children were His creation, to do with as He pleases. What you failed to include in your understanding is that these plagues were sent to force the Pharaoh to release the Isrealites from slavery. Even if we did not know that was the reason, who are we to question the Will and Purpose of our Father?
 Quoting: Rising Son


So you are saying that it was a loving God when he ordered the slaughtering thousands of innocent children because he disagreed with their dictator? Or do you think those children had chosen to be born in the country where that pharaoh ruled? Or any influence over the Israelites being slaves? Or even any influence over the Pharaoh at all?

Besides wasn't your God almighty to start with? Couldn't he just have poofed the Israelites to safety? Or kill the actual people responsible for enslaving them instead of innocent children?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22089462


You forget, God warned the Pharaoh that this would happen BEFORE it did, yet the Pharaoh did nothing to stop it. The Pharaoh could have freed the Isrealites to save the firstborn children of his kingdom, but he chose not to. God chose the firstborn children because he knew that was what the Egyptians held most dear, just as God held dear the Isrealites. Again, those children were God's Creation to do with as He pleases - yet He was gracious enough to give the Pharaoh a chance before taking them from him.
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Go back and re-read it... the Bible says GOD hardened Pharoah's heart something like 11 times, so he wouldn't let the people go... You are misrepresenting the story by leaving the heart hardening out!

WHY?
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Never forget that God created us, and those children were His creation, to do with as He pleases. What you failed to include in your understanding is that these plagues were sent to force the Pharaoh to release the Isrealites from slavery. Even if we did not know that was the reason, who are we to question the Will and Purpose of our Father?
 Quoting: Rising Son


So you are saying that it was a loving God when he ordered the slaughtering thousands of innocent children because he disagreed with their dictator? Or do you think those children had chosen to be born in the country where that pharaoh ruled? Or any influence over the Israelites being slaves? Or even any influence over the Pharaoh at all?

Besides wasn't your God almighty to start with? Couldn't he just have poofed the Israelites to safety? Or kill the actual people responsible for enslaving them instead of innocent children?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22089462


I know a loving God sent his son to earth to die for the likes of you

All the violence in the world today... you think its ok that country's can destroy each other? When is violence justified in your mind? How many countries is Obama going after?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1581136


Why would him sacrificing his son (who happens to be him as well) undo anything he did wrong?

Also what does the violence in the world today or Obama have to do with the simple fact that you are revering a babyslaughterer (while claiming he loves us)? Even if Obama, Hu Jintao and/or Merkel had horns that wouldn't be relevant to the discussion whether what your god did was evil or not.
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John 15

9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. 17 This is my command: Love each other.


I'm asking you when you think violence is acceptable? Seems to be relevant considering you are calling God unloving because you say he is responsible for a violent act
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Re: WE ALL FALL SHORT OF GOD'S STANDARD!!!!
Dogma will always lead you to a path of self doubt and leave you open to manipulation.

Nor will it move you forward on a path toward Love of God and Kin.

Quit the Night and seek the Day!

All of You who belong to a "Religion" need to dump that ship ASAP and go on a spiritual quest, leave no stone unturned, study every philosophie, religion, spiritual practice, every occult principle, everything they ever wrote out of every spiritual text ever printed.

Do so with passion, you must find the truth for yourself rather than being told!

When youve had a good run and a good education and come to Love God for real, come back to your old religion and study it, a bits worth saving :) and now when you speak you will be a man or woman of integrity, not a book spewing puppet.

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Never forget that God created us, and those children were His creation, to do with as He pleases. What you failed to include in your understanding is that these plagues were sent to force the Pharaoh to release the Isrealites from slavery. Even if we did not know that was the reason, who are we to question the Will and Purpose of our Father?
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So you are saying that it was a loving God when he ordered the slaughtering thousands of innocent children because he disagreed with their dictator? Or do you think those children had chosen to be born in the country where that pharaoh ruled? Or any influence over the Israelites being slaves? Or even any influence over the Pharaoh at all?

Besides wasn't your God almighty to start with? Couldn't he just have poofed the Israelites to safety? Or kill the actual people responsible for enslaving them instead of innocent children?
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You forget, God warned the Pharaoh that this would happen BEFORE it did, yet the Pharaoh did nothing to stop it. The Pharaoh could have freed the Isrealites to save the firstborn children of his kingdom, but he chose not to. God chose the firstborn children because he knew that was what the Egyptians held most dear, just as God held dear the Isrealites. Again, those children were God's Creation to do with as He pleases - yet He was gracious enough to give the Pharaoh a chance before taking them from him.
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Go back and re-read it... the Bible says GOD hardened Pharoah's heart something like 11 times, so he wouldn't let the people go... You are misrepresenting the story by leaving the heart hardening out!

WHY?
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And there is more... in Ephesians it talks about that some people have predestined missions for the glory of God... I can look it up of you want me to
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So God fucked up and made us incapable of living up to his own lofty standards? Well fuck him then.
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So God fucked up and made us incapable of living up to his own lofty standards? Well fuck him then.
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Nope.

God made us perfect.

Then some thought they were more perfect than others.

They made rules for the others and enforced them with violence.

Man self esteem went to shit.

Now he waits to be saved.

Because he feels unworthy to save himself.


God is shamed while Man is shamed,


and he isn't gonna take this shit no more.
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Re: WE ALL FALL SHORT OF GOD'S STANDARD!!!!
Never forget that God created us, and those children were His creation, to do with as He pleases. What you failed to include in your understanding is that these plagues were sent to force the Pharaoh to release the Isrealites from slavery. Even if we did not know that was the reason, who are we to question the Will and Purpose of our Father?
 Quoting: Rising Son


So you are saying that it was a loving God when he ordered the slaughtering thousands of innocent children because he disagreed with their dictator? Or do you think those children had chosen to be born in the country where that pharaoh ruled? Or any influence over the Israelites being slaves? Or even any influence over the Pharaoh at all?

Besides wasn't your God almighty to start with? Couldn't he just have poofed the Israelites to safety? Or kill the actual people responsible for enslaving them instead of innocent children?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22089462


You forget, God warned the Pharaoh that this would happen BEFORE it did, yet the Pharaoh did nothing to stop it. The Pharaoh could have freed the Isrealites to save the firstborn children of his kingdom, but he chose not to. God chose the firstborn children because he knew that was what the Egyptians held most dear, just as God held dear the Isrealites. Again, those children were God's Creation to do with as He pleases - yet He was gracious enough to give the Pharaoh a chance before taking them from him.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Go back and re-read it... the Bible says GOD hardened Pharoah's heart something like 11 times, so he wouldn't let the people go... You are misrepresenting the story by leaving the heart hardening out!

WHY?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


I am not misrepresenting anything, I am simply telling you my understanding and interpretation of the bible. If you understand it differently, then so be it.

I do not look at the instances where the Pharaoh's heart was hardened as God's fault, as much as it was God's attempts to give validation to His Commandments to the Pharaoh. Again, you are looking at the bible with the INTENTION to find fault with God, instead of trusting in God. Your mistrust and paranoia will ruin you if you allow them to go unchecked.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." - Revelation 21:4

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