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Return To Eden's Paradise. Plant The Earth. "Thou Shall Not Kill" ANYTHING. Go Vegan!

 
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Off topic but nearly every vegan ive met has been an arsewipe
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is there anyone more dumb and more deceived then the moronic christians?

Hey Christendumb, allow me to let you in on a little secret.

Your Bible was edited, and your Bible even admits to it! The Jews will straight up tell you that God never required animal sacrifice, AND ANCIENT COPIES OF THE TORAH HAVE GOD FORBIDDING THE EATING OF MEAT

You people who continue to just ignore science because "mahbooksays" are going to destroy this world (And I mean all idiot religions now!)

O and FYI Christendumb, if you learned about your religion you would actually know that your own church ADMITS THE EARLIEST FOLLOWERS OF JESUS ATE A PLANT BASED DIET. YOUR OWN CHURCH ADMITS THE EARLIEST FOLLOWERS OF JESUS WERE ALL VEGETARIANS/VEGANS!

Your church covered up what the historical Jesus actually taught (that the lying pen of the scribes edited the Jewish Bible) and instead turned Jesus into the "Final sacrifice" (Which at least got you crazy religious types to stop sacrificing animals...........
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clappayou will know the true words from our CREATOR in the sciptures if , If, IF they reflect HIS character - love, and creaing/ Everything else was added by man.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Abraham was the first Jew. Of course he did not speak Hebrew- who would he have spoken it to?

Noah was not a Jew.

Nor was Cain, or Abel, or Seth.

Or Adam.

Abraham was Abram, before the lord spoke to him.

Then he was Abraham.

Sarai, his wife, became Sarah.

Whatever you are, I was not trying to impress you, unless you are impressed by clarity.

let's get back to the topic.

Adam and Eve sinned by eating the fruit that was forbidden to them,

so we know not all vegetable food is good for man.

Cain was a tiller of the soil, his brother Abel was a herdsman. They were the children of Adam and Eve.

Cain's offerings of grains or plants did not please God, not because they were plants, but something in Cain's attitude was off.
God accepted and praised the animal sacrifices of Abel.

Cain did not change his attitude toward God or his brother, in fact,
he killed his brother.

If we learn anything from this, it might well be that
the emotions with which we do things are as important as the goods we offer.

But let no one believe that animal sacrifice was not common or commanded in the Torah.

It was.
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abraham was not Jew....... (Yehudi)...... he WAS the first "Hebrew"......you are still following christian traditional teachings,many of which stem from orthodoxy judaism.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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It does not say anywhere in the bible about tho shall not kill. It says murder.
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I am a vegetarian for health reasons, a few months ago I started a thread (which has since bean removed for some reason) called “NOT ALL ANIMAL PRODICTS ARE UNETHICAL” but before I started that thread when someone would ask me why am I a vegetarian I would say because of health and animal welfare reasons but now after the replies I got from that thread I have come to the realisation that if I was doing it for the animals I would be a Vegan or raw foodist.
So I would like to say a great big thankyou to ALL of those Vegans who helped me to find that inner truth that I was trying so hard to ignore. Thanks to those Vegans I now put my survival over that of my animals, having said that I will still continue to take care of my animals as humanely as possible but I no longer feel false gilt if I sell excess animals off for meat as I am now (thanks to those vegans) only vegetarian for health reasons. So a great big thankyou to those vegans because I can now sell my excess roosters, my excess ducks, my excess male goats (as I only need 1 for breeding stock), excess honey from my new EXTRA beehives, and I am now looking into aquaculture which is something I would never have done before because It would of gone against my false idea that I was a vegetarian for animal welfare, I am also going to supply most of my fish food as worms from my new large worm farms and other bugs.
If I thought meat was healthy I would keep some of it myself to eat but I don’t think anyone could convince me to do that.

Meats not good enough for me to eat it but if people want to eat it than that’s there choice. I must admit i do make some omni people freak out a bit at first but after a short time everyone so far has come too really like my state of mind.

I have also found that omnies in general tend to be a lot more receptive to the idea of Vegetarianism than they used to be around me because of my new found laid back attitude, they see me as more of a realist now as opposed to some weirdo hippie making them feel bad and trying to convert them.

I believe that people who think of themselves as omnivores have just as much right to eat meat as a carnivore such as a dog, I believe myself to be a Vegetarian therefore I have no right to eat meat!
The mind is a powerful thing, to quote Henry Ford "Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right.", we can jump up and down and tell someone one logical fact after another until we are blue in the face and it wont matter one bit if they don’t believe that Vegetarianism or Veganism is right for them, if for some reason an omnivore who truly believes that they need meat to be healthy was forced to live on a vegetarian or vegan diet than there is a VERY HIGH chance that there physical and mental health would decrease (regardless of how much healthy food they eat) because of the restrictions that their mind has put in place!

Vegetarians and omnies are always getting bashed by vegans because they think that we don’t know enough about Animal rights and all that is needed is for vegans to fill in the gaps and that people (especially vegetarians) will jump on the band wagon as soon as they are told, that’s not the case for people in 3rd world countries and also for people like me who live in “first world countries” where the ground is so depleted from centuries of monoculture farming, mining and forestry that you could take a sledgehammer to the rock hard ground and break the hammers handle, and this is what we have to try and grow food in, which would be nearly impossible without the help of animals.

I would be quite surprised if there was a vegan or a vegetarian that has not tried to convert at leased one person. There is only one thing that can change or alter what the majority of the public believes (as it often does) and that is the Main Stream Media, sadly Adolph Hitler knew this all to well as he once said “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” not that I am saying Vegetarianism is a lie but unless you can control the Main Stream Media you cannot change someone into believing that Vegetarianism or Veganism is right for them, it must be there choice that they make of there own free will and in there own time or else it wont last.

And as for health,
In my opinion there are many vegan and vegetarian foods that are unhealthier to eat than either dairy or meat.
Lets talk about a man named John, John lives off a diet of mostly dairy, meat, white sugar, white flour, white rice, white bread, High Sugar breakfast Cereals, carbonated drinks, deep-fried foods, Cookies and Candy.
If our friend John was to change all of the above foods other than meat and dairy to healthier versions he would be a lot healthier than he would be if he only stopped eating meat and dairy and kept eating the rest.

By themselves Vegetarianism and Veganism do not guarantee a healthy diet, they can be a start but by themselves all they will ever be when it comes to health is to be a part of a healthy diet.
So if you are only worried about health meat and dairy should be one of the last things you will need to cut out of your diet.
And while we are on the topic of health, in my opinion there is not a single person in the world that can come up with a good argument that Honey is unhealthy.
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It does not say anywhere in the bible about tho shall not kill. It says murder.
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Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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If you want to be a vegetable - eating person go right ahead. But by what right do you tell others what to do?! I prefer my cow steak well done thank you!
If any foreign minister begins to defend to the death a "peace conference," you can be sure his government has already placed its orders for new battleships and aeroplanes.
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I think vegan is cool but make sure you get vitamin b12 supplements and also that you get enough complete plant protein (bean rice combining) or you will have serious issues later. Most primitive people included some animal protein (eggs, dairy, fish and some meat from chickens and rarely beef)... but ate mostly a plant based diet. The human digestive system is suited for primarily plant based diet.
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I am so tired of people telling me the evils of eating meat.
Let alone the ones telling me this they are using the Bible for justification!
When you say "Thou shall not kill anything" I guess that means anything that is alive correct?(since you can't kill something not alive lol)
Plants are alive so if you use them for food in essence you are killing them.
You say "No cancer. Good Sleep. No irrationality. No need for medications. No need to artificially reproduce animals and grow food for the animals only to kill them thus no abomination against God's creations", so are you telling me that no vegan has ever had cancer, insomnia, medications, etc?
Since plants are also a living creation of God would killing them also count as an abomination?
If humans were not supposed to eat meat then why do we have teeth specifically for the tearing and chewing of meat?
You seem to like to use the Bible for your own interpretations, so didn't Jesus tell us to eat meat but only certain kinds of it and that he gave us the animals and plants to use as sustenance?
How about you just live your life the way you want to and let others do the same?!
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I am so tired of people telling me the evils of eating meat.
Let alone the ones telling me this they are using the Bible for justification!
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You are just tired of it because you are not ready to receive the message yet.

When you say "Thou shall not kill anything" I guess that means anything that is alive correct?(since you can't kill something not alive lol)
Plants are alive so if you use them for food in essence you are killing them.
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If we are going by the scriptures, then, we are speaking of animals and humans, not plants. Scripture says we are given herbs and seeds for our food

You say "No cancer. Good Sleep. no irrationality. No need for medications. No need to artificially reproduce animals and grow food for the animals only to kill them thus no abomination against God's creations", so are you telling me that no vegan has ever had cancer, insomnia, medications, etc?
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I think the message is the increase of incidents of cancer with meat and actually cooked foods, the addition of carcinogens.

Since plants are also a living creation of God would killing them also count as an abomination?
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No, because He provided them for our food. They have water in them, which gives life.... not blood, which gives death.

If humans were not supposed to eat meat then why do we have teeth specifically for the tearing and chewing of meat? Surely you are aware the argument goes both ways.
You seem to like to use the Bible for your own interpretations, so didn't Jesus tell us to eat meat but only certain kinds of it and that he gave us the animals and plants to use as sustenance?
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No
How about you just live your life the way you want to and let others do the same?!
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go for it. we all have free will. But,according to the dead sea scrolls, this is what jesus said about eating animals: For in his blood every drop of their blood turns to poison; in his breath their breath to stink; in his flesh their flesh to boils; in his bones their bones to chalk; in his bowels their bowels to decay; in his eyes their eyes to scales; in his ears their ears to waxy issue. And their death will become his death. For only in the service of your Heavenly Father are your debts of seven years forgiven in seven days. But Satan forgives you nothing and you must pay him for all. 'Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot; burning for burning, wound for wound; life for life, death for death.' For the wages of sin is death. Kill not, neither eat the flesh of your innocent prey, lest you become the slaves of Satan. For that is the path of sufferings, and it leads unto death.

And if that is not acceptable to you, this is what Isaiah had to say: Isaih 66: He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Ah and here come all the meat eating morons who suggest that murdering a animal in order to steal its flesh is somehow equal to eating a apple in misery and pain.

It this doesn't show the curious mind how stupid eating meat makes you then nothing will.
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How do you in your great wisdom know plants don't feel?

How do you know they don't feel pain or cry out with a voice you cannot hear?
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hf Looking for a writer for a script regarding the animal liberation front.
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Based on your thread title alone... I am compelled to remind you that planets are alive also!!!
Jeez~
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Read: Secret Life of Plants and LEARN something.
Google singing plants while you are at it also...
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hf
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269life.com

"Thou Shall Not Kill"

ANY.

Go Vegan~!
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hf
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No cancer. Good Sleep. No irrationality. No need for medications. No need to artificially reproduce animals and grow food for the animals only to kill them thus no abomination against God's creations.

The food chain ceases to exist.
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Ah and here come all the meat eating morons who suggest that murdering a animal in order to steal its flesh is somehow equal to eating a apple in misery and pain.

It this doesn't show the curious mind how stupid eating meat makes you then nothing will.
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clappa
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Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy

Matthew 5:7 KJV
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hf
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No more holocaust~!

Love Love.
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I have to agree with you.
Bless you
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Love Love.
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Just curious to know how you self-righteous vegans view predatory animals. I do believe God made them that way.

By the way, humans are biologically omnivores. That is why we have both canines and molars, and also why we have both large and small intestines.

I have a good friend was a vegan for 26 years, then stopped due to health issues. He explained that, to begin with, vegans are fanatics who MUST beat you over the head with their way of life. He said that going vegan is good for you for a while, but that over the long term, you will get sick because you not getting some essential nutrient, such as Omega fatty acids. It appears that we need both plant and animal food.
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Just curious to know how you self-righteous vegans view predatory animals. I do believe God made them that way.

By the way, humans are biologically omnivores. That is why we have both canines and molars, and also why we have both large and small intestines.

I have a good friend was a vegan for 26 years, then stopped due to health issues. He explained that, to begin with, vegans are fanatics who MUST beat you over the head with their way of life. He said that going vegan is good for you for a while, but that over the long term, you will get sick because you not getting some essential nutrient, such as Omega fatty acids. It appears that we need both plant and animal food.
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Your friend was consuming fats and oils while he was vegan.

Love Love.
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If we plant the earth no animal will have need to be predatory.

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