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For anyone traveling full time around the U.S. it is getting harder and harder to find places to park overnight for free.

 
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Unfortunately, there would be many of our "undocumented alien workers" utilizing every spot you might think of using if we didn't have the rules and policing you mention.

Here's a website that lists 10,000 free spots to park in US and Canada:

[link to www.overnightrvparking.com]

Lots of camping spots in State parks with electricity and waste dumping for $15/night.

Plan ahead.
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There are a few that spoil it for everyone else.

Think about it.
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There was a time a few years ago when I was young when state parks were free to get in and only charged a few dollars to camp. Now state and national parks charge an entrance fee, then a camping few plus tax. Usually ends up being over $25 a night.

Almost all public lands east of the Mississippi are fenced and charge a camping fee. Yes, you can park "anywhere", but many areas are now posted with "no camping allowed in this area".

Even Walmart is shutting down overnight parking in many areas.

Don't even think about just pulling off the side of the road to sleep over night. You will get a knock on the window from some cop.

Most shopping centers now have "no overnight parking" signs everywhere.

Hey, I'm not a bum or trying to live off the public, but there is public land EVERYWHERE in America and it's all being closed off.

Everywhere the land is either private and posted, or public and posted, owned by the some government agency (military, state, feds, nasa, etc.).

The time will come when people are all wandering America and are told to "move along".

Wait and see...
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Hmmm, well I guess since I sleep in my own bed in my own house I don't have to worry about cops knocking on my window. And if I'm traveling, well, I discovered many years ago they have these things called. . . wait for it. . . "hotels"! You can actually go into these buildings and rent living quarters complete with a bed, bathroom, TV, etc., for just one night if you want, and no cops show up to hassle you or tell you to move along. I know, it's amazing isn't it. It sounds like you should look into that.
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Idiot, you're so fucking proud of your little salary.

I've got more money than you ever will, and I remember the freedom of the time when I was a child. It's better to be able to pull off when you feel like it and just pee next to your car (I'm a guy) and just get some sleep. Every 2 or 3 nites a motel is nice for a shower and a little TV.

What OP says is real sad. I guess it's been getting like this since about 1980, the start of the "zero tolerance" society.
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1) There are these thing called bullets. Also artillery shells. Also rockets. Also missiles. Your camper would not enjoy making their acquaintance.

2) If by unused you mean when there are no trains on that particular stretch of track, feel free to sleep on the tracks. I warn you though, the alarm is REALLY loud.

3) vagrancy laws suck, I'll agree to that. Should be able to camp on public land. Problem is that they almost inevitably become homeless settlements. While I'm okay with that, most municipalities are not.

Why does a military base need a million acres? Why does a National Park need thousands of acres that they can restrict from anyone, but them?

Why does a railroad need millions of acres of right-of-way unused, but you are trespassing?

Why can't you just park over night next to a beautiful lake? Not make a fire, not pitch a tent. JUST...PARK...OVERNIGHT?

Who made these rules?
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Military base I agree with you, they may use for shooting range or other uses, often classified.

Railroad has "right of way" not just the tracks, doofus. Seems like a good idea for camping for a night or even two, what happens if you use it, do the cops show up> How would they even know?

It used to be very common to let someone stay somewhere for a night, maybe two, then move them along. It's common sense. We're still capable of it if we don't waste time listening to people like you ...
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There are a few that spoil it for everyone else.

Think about it.
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"Think about it." usually means "This is obviously bullshit, keep thinking until you can convince yourself somehow that it isn't."

Who are the few? We all used to get along with loose rules and common sense, and we still could except for all the phony shit they've drummed up to break that way of life.
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Why does a military base need a million acres? Why does a National Park need thousands of acres that they can restrict from anyone, but them?

Why does a railroad need millions of acres of right-of-way unused, but you are trespassing?

Why can't you just park over night next to a beautiful lake? Not make a fire, not pitch a tent. JUST...PARK...OVERNIGHT?

Who made these rules?
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man i parked everywhere from parks, state parks, go in right before closing, get locked in and let out in the am. if i seen a lake, pull in, sleep, never gave it a thought. boat ramps, they are the best, they have grills. walmart last resort.

when i needed a shower, i went to a homeless shelter, hot meal and a full bed. only one nighter at the shelters, they lock you in with a not so great crowd.

i did it for months on end, if a cop said something, just move to the next town. i never sweated it for one second. once i did get a ticket at a state park, but even then they didn't wake me, left it under the wiper. never paid anything, just kept moving...

what i hated was out in texas all the way to Ca. and back, kept getting pulled by the state troppers, about every 100 miles. they were looking for mexican. pain in the butt, all the questions. finaling stoped even answering those. buck man, take back what is yours. it's the peole who let them do it. not i, i had a blast.

i swim every morning, pack and go. no big deal. had a few tight spots, but for the most of it, a walk in the park.

don't fear the man, fear GOD, do what is right and do it well, i did. over 3 yrs, never went to jail, didn't even get ran off much... i seen the whole lower half of the usa, it was great. i even parked on the ocean where you have to pay and never no overnight. many nights, never a word, just play stupid and move on. no big deal...
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It is sad OP because I remember a time when I slept in my car in a neighborhood because I was too tired to drive home and it didn't bother anyone. But that was a different time. Due to high crime today, I'd be concerned if a stranger parked in front of my house overnight now too, I suppose.

In Calif there are a few old drive in theaters that allow people to spend the night there in their cars...but then they have to leave in the morning.
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I'm one of the non-conformists. Decided to live full time in a class B motor home (extended self-contained Sportsmobile) while working FT in OC, California. Found places such as parks, libraries where you could "hang out" in the parking lots undisturbed until 10 pm, but after that you had to fan out into the neighhborhoods and empty industrial parks and go into stealth mode to sleep for 5 or 6 hours. I believe the cops know that you're there, but as long as your tags are clean and someone doesn't call and complain, they have bigger fish to fry. Discovered that there was this whole van-dwelling subculture right in the middle of suburbia. Easier to pull off In a smaller, newer RV. These are fixed income retirees, disabled, young adventurers, and the occasional working professional like myself -- a wide swath of folks. Some hobos too I guess.
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Hmmm, well I guess since I sleep in my own bed in my own house I don't have to worry about cops knocking on my window. And if I'm traveling, well, I discovered many years ago they have these things called. . . wait for it. . . "hotels"! You can actually go into these buildings and rent living quarters complete with a bed, bathroom, TV, etc., for just one night if you want, and no cops show up to hassle you or tell you to move along. I know, it's amazing isn't it. It sounds like you should look into that.
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This is what an ASSHOLE sounds like.
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Agreed. Wait until the local SWAT team mistakes his place for the drug dealer next door.
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If you want to see a video that encapsulates everything the OP is talking about. Watch this.

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Get a flat tire and stash it in the back, park on the side of a highway, change a good tire with the flat tire and just go to sleep.

Make sure you tint your windows or at least get window covers and you should be good. Also its legal for Semi-drivers to kick it in rest areas and I've seen them park on off ramps to sleep, so why couldn't you?
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Please try to understand. There are MANY ways to scam the system. I have used many of them. What I am trying to warn you about is that all freedom is ending faster than you even care to consider...
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Do it right and cough up fees for a campground space, sheesh, We all have to pay our way in America.

Youll find peace of mind and hookups to dump all the sewage. I couldnt impose myself on someone elses parking lot nor expect them to accept my huge RV . They were eyesores when walmart used to let them park.

Do it right and go to a RV campground.
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WalMart is a fuckin' eyesore.
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There was a time a few years ago when I was young when state parks were free to get in and only charged a few dollars to camp. Now state and national parks charge an entrance fee, then a camping few plus tax. Usually ends up being over $25 a night.

Almost all public lands east of the Mississippi are fenced and charge a camping fee. Yes, you can park "anywhere", but many areas are now posted with "no camping allowed in this area".

Even Walmart is shutting down overnight parking in many areas.

Don't even think about just pulling off the side of the road to sleep over night. You will get a knock on the window from some cop.

Most shopping centers now have "no overnight parking" signs everywhere.

Hey, I'm not a bum or trying to live off the public, but there is public land EVERYWHERE in America and it's all being closed off.

Everywhere the land is either private and posted, or public and posted, owned by the some government agency (military, state, feds, nasa, etc.).

The time will come when people are all wandering America and are told to "move along".

Wait and see...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14802299


did you just start this traveling thing? what you're talkin about here has been goin on for a while, and gets worse by the year. what's funny is i notice people pay it no attention at all until it affects them or when someone like yourself needs a shoulder to cry on. Just remember this thread will be used for your venting and others feelin bad for you although absolutely nothin will be done about it. people will go on to the syrian thread and bitch about the US, jews and muslims all the while doin nothin about it. They'll pop back over to the greek's problems and do nothin but bitch about the government. then they'll come back to this and again do nothin but bitch about it while yellin TROLL at anyone that doesn't hold your hand to hear your problems. Your problem and the others i mentioned are all long time simmering problems and what's bein done about any of them? they get worse by the year because there's really only a handful of people that actually get involved to try and change things. most of us sit in front of our keyboards and bang the keys furiously with our witty banter and agree that you good...government bad. another example would be...i'll assume you or someone close to you doesn't have leukemia. do you know anything about leukemia? do you have to know anything about leukemia? is leukemia affecting you right now? if not...why should you know or care about leukemia? if you were to get it i bet you would want to dunk your head into the leukemia knowledge well to find out all you could though. you may even come on here and start a thread to bitch about how big pharma and the evil government are not putting enough research towards a cure too. most will now bang away on their keyboards again, callin me a troll, shill, government disinfo agent or whatever else AND i don't care. things are the way they are now because of our laziness and an attitude of what can i do and if it's not botherin me i don't care. it's just that now a days we can piss n moan about it right away through the internet AND STILL do nothin about anything but bitch. And that's really the thing that has increased the most...people's constant bitching. you would think that with all these geniuses that constantly belittle those on forums like these that disagree with the current feel good thread, ALL the worlds woes would be solved. it's okay though cause that's just how most people are, me included. The shit i'm involved in doesn't affect anyone here so why should they care? they're not gonna do anything about it anyways except give sympathy or bitch at me about it. Now...if anyone here really cared beyond the lip service they spew, they would give you their addresses/phone numbers and those of relatives that would let you park in their driveways or in front of their homes to help you out. there are people on glp spread out all across the US that could lend you a hand in that way, "if" they really cared. you said to watch the grapes of wrath...i have. many people then didn't want strangers on their property or parked in front of their businesses either. as for government property...that's another monster that we all are responsible for. collectively we stood by and let it happen...BUT we did bitch about it to strangers on the internet. doesn't that count? just remember though, most everyone in here did nothin but provide you with nothin but lip service and have no intention of lettin you park at their or their relatives homes. they will however be runnin along to the next threads to yell troll n shill while also doin nothin about the potential problem there either.

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1) There are these thing called bullets. Also artillery shells. Also rockets. Also missiles. Your camper would not enjoy making their acquaintance.

2) If by unused you mean when there are no trains on that particular stretch of track, feel free to sleep on the tracks. I warn you though, the alarm is REALLY loud.

3) vagrancy laws suck, I'll agree to that. Should be able to camp on public land. Problem is that they almost inevitably become homeless settlements. While I'm okay with that, most municipalities are not.

Why does a military base need a million acres? Why does a National Park need thousands of acres that they can restrict from anyone, but them?

Why does a railroad need millions of acres of right-of-way unused, but you are trespassing?

Why can't you just park over night next to a beautiful lake? Not make a fire, not pitch a tent. JUST...PARK...OVERNIGHT?

Who made these rules?
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Military base I agree with you, they may use for shooting range or other uses, often classified.

Railroad has "right of way" not just the tracks, doofus. Seems like a good idea for camping for a night or even two, what happens if you use it, do the cops show up> How would they even know?

It used to be very common to let someone stay somewhere for a night, maybe two, then move them along. It's common sense. We're still capable of it if we don't waste time listening to people like you ...
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Railroad detectives are some of the nastiest fuckers around! They have the authority to lock you up with no cops necessary. This abuse goes all the way back to the 1930s hobo days.

They are worse than the local cops/thugs.

On the issue of the military reservations. I was in ordinance in the military. They actually use only a small fraction of their land for live fire and explosives. The rest is...in reserve... unused.
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Gave up traveling long ago when the border checkpoints no where near borders, harassment, physical molesting and radiation treatments began then became mandatory, glad I did. Rest stops and other public parking/camping areas have long been targeted by the private parking sector as areas catering to criminals, in some weird logic they're making rest stops and surrounding areas safer by them being privatized, people charged to park(like most truck stops) and private security guards.
Feed the hungry, visit the sick, free a captive if he be unjustly confined(kidnapped/enslaved by someone). Assist any person oppressed, whether they're of the Muslim or non-Muslim. - Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wasallam)
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Why hasn't anyone else noticed what is happening here?

Cops stop and hassle you not for speeding, running stop lights but for parking in a public place over night...

This is wrong!
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I have noticed. I have to leave my apartment often because of noise, bad neighbors and there is no where for quiet,privacy safe areas to just park and read or to meditate.
Signs are being put up as you said. Posted, no parking no this no that.

any public place where I live like beach parking,the police are always there watching or camera's watching.
Funny how though they seem to be watching the innocent people more then the ones that need to be watched..
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I agree with you OP, it really annoys me that we are serfs and not citizens.

Serfs can't touch the kings land or use any of its resources without the kings permission.
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You are correct
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If you want to see a video that encapsulates everything the OP is talking about. Watch this.


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Yep, this is EXACTLY what it's like. Different technology, different area, but same gestapo crap. How can they justify the cost of this crap.

It turns my stomach. Protect and serve, yeah right...
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There's a fucking walmart a every 10 miles...
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i like the band too. just remember they did it for money and just like them...we took absolutely no power back. there all just songs for the band to potentially prosper from, with our money.

oridin
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Why hasn't anyone else noticed what is happening here?

Cops stop and hassle you not for speeding, running stop lights but for parking in a public place over night...

This is wrong!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14802299


I have noticed. I have to leave my apartment often because of noise, bad neighbors and there is no where for quiet,privacy safe areas to just park and read or to meditate.
Signs are being put up as you said. Posted, no parking no this no that.

any public place where I live like beach parking,the police are always there watching or camera's watching.
Funny how though they seem to be watching the innocent people more then the ones that need to be watched..
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Exactly! No where to find any peace. Is that intentional maybe?

As you noticed, they are enforcers, not protectors. Few people understand this.
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At the Walmart near my house, the back lot is always full of people sleeping in their vans/RVs/whatever.
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There's a fucking walmart a every 10 miles...
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Are you completely brain dead? Did you actually read the thread? No, just rushed to say something cute...
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i like the band too. just remember they did it for money and just like them...we took absolutely no power back. there all just songs for the band to potentially prosper from, with our money.

oridin
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bsflag

They inspired acts against tyranny and oppression that have benefitted many in ways that will never be credited by people like yourself.

Know this.
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There was a time a few years ago when I was young when state parks were free to get in and only charged a few dollars to camp. Now state and national parks charge an entrance fee, then a camping few plus tax. Usually ends up being over $25 a night.

Almost all public lands east of the Mississippi are fenced and charge a camping fee. Yes, you can park "anywhere", but many areas are now posted with "no camping allowed in this area".

Even Walmart is shutting down overnight parking in many areas.

Don't even think about just pulling off the side of the road to sleep over night. You will get a knock on the window from some cop.

Most shopping centers now have "no overnight parking" signs everywhere.

Hey, I'm not a bum or trying to live off the public, but there is public land EVERYWHERE in America and it's all being closed off.

Everywhere the land is either private and posted, or public and posted, owned by the some government agency (military, state, feds, nasa, etc.).

The time will come when people are all wandering America and are told to "move along".

Wait and see...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14802299



Hmmm, well I guess since I sleep in my own bed in my own house I don't have to worry about cops knocking on my window. And if I'm traveling, well, I discovered many years ago they have these things called. . . wait for it. . . "hotels"! You can actually go into these buildings and rent living quarters complete with a bed, bathroom, TV, etc., for just one night if you want, and no cops show up to hassle you or tell you to move along. I know, it's amazing isn't it. It sounds like you should look into that.
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Not everybody has the money for hotels. What if you lose your job and you can't afford an apartment or the mortgage anymore? Some people have no choice but to live in vans.

Some people have a job but like living in vans because it saves A LOT of money (that they can use for a rainy day).
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i like the band too. just remember they did it for money and just like them...we took absolutely no power back. there all just songs for the band to potentially prosper from, with our money.

oridin
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bsflag

They inspired acts against tyranny and oppression that have benefitted many in ways that will never be credited by people like yourself.

Know this.
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they laugh from their private jets and mansions at the duped. it worked on people like you. please provide some links for all that change in tyranny and oppression. most on glp say it's worse, but apparently you're another one of the many geniuses that frequent forums like this that say otherwise. aren't we lucky?

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I'm not reading 7 pages of posts.

Been there done that.

In the US:

Get a copy of the Rainbow Guide (Rainbow family of Living Light - you know, the fucking hippies) and barter for parking space. It's a listing of people that may open up their homes.

Talk to the local homeless:
If anyone knows where it is safe to park, it's them.

Smaller churches:
If you find one that's actually kind, some of have been known to allow parking. Speak to the pastor.

National forest camping that does not offer "furnished" campsites:
There are still plenty of spots in the woods where you can camp for a couple of weeks at a time for free. These won't be listed in guides. Ask the fucking hippies noted previously.

Visit IC.org. See if you can find like minded people to join their community and park on their land.

Note: If the hippies attempt to get you to join one of their gatherings...RUN. You don't need the lice or the police record.

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Yes public land is suppose to be the peoples land.
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You are correct. I do not want hobos and scammers parking on my public land.
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I don't mind having hobos parking on MY public land at all.

After all.

WE paid for it, didn't we?

I have no problem whatsoever with my fellow Americans making use of it if they need to, or just WANT to.
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I agree, that's what it is there for, or used to be.
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There was a time a few years ago when I was young when state parks were free to get in and only charged a few dollars to camp. Now state and national parks charge an entrance fee, then a camping few plus tax. Usually ends up being over $25 a night.
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Meanwhile, literally millions upon millions of foreigners who snuck into the U.S. illegally not only are allowed to remain in the country, but the government actively encourages them to stay by giving them billions of dollars of valuable $benefits$ paid for by the same U.S. citizens who are forbidden from parking overnight on the public lands their taxes pay to maintain.
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Re: For anyone traveling full time around the U.S. it is getting harder and harder to find places to park overnight for free.
I'm not reading 7 pages of posts.

Been there done that.

In the US:

Get a copy of the Rainbow Guide (Rainbow family of Living Light - you know, the fucking hippies) and barter for parking space. It's a listing of people that may open up their homes.

Talk to the local homeless:
If anyone knows where it is safe to park, it's them.

Smaller churches:
If you find one that's actually kind, some of have been known to allow parking. Speak to the pastor.

National forest camping that does not offer "furnished" campsites:
There are still plenty of spots in the woods where you can camp for a couple of weeks at a time for free. These won't be listed in guides. Ask the fucking hippies noted previously.

Visit IC.org. See if you can find like minded people to join their community and park on their land.
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Hippies are stupid potheads that smell and dress bad.

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