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ATHIESTS THE LITTLE WINGS OF SATAN "QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS FOR YOU"

 
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I`ve got nothing against god.


Its his fan club I cant stand.
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good to here that
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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So why do you try to chastise the word of our God and his people for believing in our creator
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Because you SEEK that chastisement by your very actions of proselytizing where it is not wanted. You come to a conspiracy site and preach with your copy/paste scripture posting ad-nauseam, people are going to tell you and your religion and your faery-tale book to fuck off.
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There's the atheist that we all know and love.
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That's it, athiests based their religion on TV.. wow..
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Well, they place their faith in man. And we all know how THAT has turned out, throughout history.
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1) It has been scientifically proven that homo sapiens have been on Earth for at LEAST 150,000 years.

2) It has been scientifically PROVEN that the Earth is BILLIONS of years old.

3) It has been scientifically PROVEN that evolution exists.


If you take the time to put aside blind faith, as a child puts aside his belief in Santa Clause, you will open yourself up to a world of science. Science isn't something to run and shy away from, just because it defeats that which is false. Science is simply the investigative tools of discovering and verifying facts. Science is the process by which we test, and then validate or reject ideas.


I have nothing against religion, so long as it is based on 1) Direct Experience, and/or 2) Science.

For instance, I practice Buddhism. I also practice Yoga. Both are fully comphrensive spiritual paths, and both are fully in agreement with science.


Religion can be a VERY positive experience, but true religion has nothing to do with blind faith, magic powers, miracles, etc. True religion is the science and understanding of Consciousness.
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yeah yeah yeah...

We all know that what it REALLY comes down to, is that you want to be your OWN God, with your OWN rules.

And just as long as you do not allow yourself to believe in the one true God of heaven, there's no need to repent of your evils, and obey His rules.

Sad, that you should chose to learn the hard way, after it becomes too late.
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1) How can you talk about some big bang 10 billion years ago and you don't even have damn clue about the dark ages?

2)
Can you tell me the origin of atheism?

3)What key information can you give me so I can understand this big bang 10 or 4 billion years ago?


4)How can you judge our books and our belief and you uphold Darwin's books and theories as a doctrine and him as your God of evlolution isn't this a belief you uphold?

5)Any thing a man beleives in isn't that his faith?

6)So why do you try to chastise the word of our God and his people for believing in our creator, when you uphold your DARWINISM God who you believe in?
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Trying to keep to your request while keeping it concise and brief, I've pared it down to the actual questions in your post, I'll also attempt to remain polite and good natured.

I'll also assume you have a basic grounding in the science and history you argue against.

Here we go.

1) The comparison is flawed, the dark ages is a period of history with very little records, a moment in time that is gone and the events of that period can not be extrapolated through observation and mathematics.
The event provisionally named "the big bang" can be.

We'll get into the how and why in question 3.

2) While it's hard to point to a specific moment in human history when we can say "that is the first instance of atheism", here have always been men and women who suspected or believed that there were better explanations for natural phenomena than "gods".

Durant encountered tribes in Africa who were observed to have no identifiable cults or rites. There were no totems, no deities, and no spirits. Their dead were buried without special ceremonies or accompanying items and received no further attention. They even appeared to lack simple superstitions, according to travelers' reports.

The Veddahs of Sri Lanka also seemed to have no need for deities and when pressed displayed an attitude that suggested even if such beings did exist... they didn't really matter.

I suppose Diagoras the Greek philosopher is generally regarded as the first athiest (or at least adeist), he was kicking about sometime during the 5th century BCE.

Really we could go on all day but it's obvious enough that atheism in some form or another has always existed.

3) The key information (imo) you need to know about to understand why science currently leans towards the big bang event is galactic red shift and CMBR, these observable, recordable phenomena strongly suggest universal expansion.

As a direct consequence of this expansion, all of the observable universe must have originated in a small causally connected region, whatever caused that region to rapidly expand is what we call the big bang.

Note I said observable and recordable, this is why your dark ages comparison is flawed.

If you wish to observe CMBR right now, please switch on your TV and tune it to no station, do you see that static?
That my friend is the song of the cosmos right in front of your eyes.

This is not an exhaustive explanation obviously, but those are the key things you should investigate for yourself.

4) There is no comparison.
Darwin was just a scientist who observed, recorded, reached a hypothesis, attempted to disprove it, failed and so produced a theory. Science has been diligently trying to disprove it ever since and consistently failing.

The theory has resisted falsification so strongly that it is now accepted as probably correct.

Assuming it to be correct means that it should create certain outcomes when tested in conjunction with other theories, this has had a positive outcome so many times that it is safe to assume the theory is fact.

There is no greater attacker of science than science itself.

Science works on the concept that a theory can be falsified, if there is no possibility of falsification (such as religious beliefs) then it cannot be tested and therefore cannot be accepted.

If you are uncertain about the definition of those terms in a scientific sense (particularly falsification), please look them up before responding.

5) No, faith by definition is belief without evidence, it is not faith to believe that the Earth orbits the sun, it is the result of observation and evidence.

6) See 4 and 5 above.

I am not a scientist nor am I a very learned person, but I hope my clumsy explanations go some way to answering your questions in some small way.

Hopefully somebody with more ability can elucidate these points more thoroughly, but you at least get a sense of why I personally cannot believe in a deity.

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Not being ignorant in anyway or disrespectful to the humble and kind athiests who do get along with others. I am addressing the arrogant and hasty who make glp a stage to ridicule believers and the bible.

I need to ask a couple fair questions, How can you talk about some big bang 10 billion years ago and you don't even have damn clue about the dark ages?

Why then should anyone be subject to your fantasies about ten billion years ago? Is not that dogmatic or religious when forced on a society



Can you tell me the origin of atheism?

What key information can you give me so I can understand this big bang 10 or 4 billion years ago?


You beleive in something that cannot be proven and not seen and believers in yehshiyeh beleive in something not seen but proven through the prophecies and our prophets.

How can you judge our books and our belief and you uphold Darwin's books and theories as a doctrine and him as your God of evlolution isn't this a belief you uphold?

Any thing a man beleives in isn't that his faith? and what is faith but something hoped for that cannot be seen!

So why do you try to chastise the word of our God and his people for believing in our creator, when you uphold your DARWINISM God who you believe in? Which makes atheism a religious abomination and a cage of every foul spirit.?

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Like Lucky Charms, I am going to answer just your questions. I am also not a scientist.

1. Because the Big Bang can be observed in several ways. The universe is expanding out in all directions like a balloon being inflated. It stands to reason that if you run it backwards you end up it with all in one tiny space. The leftover radiation from the expansion can also be seen using the appropriate equipment.

Very little is known about the Dark Ages because after the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, civilisation wasn't very good at writing things down. Written records from that period are rare and the ones that exist are dubious - cultural and technological achievements were also generally few and far between from the end of the Roman period in the 6th century and the enlightenment period which began with the Italian Renaissance in the 13th Century.

2. Science doesn't force anything on anyone. It simply says "This is what happens" and "After studying it, here's how we think it works". You are free, nay, encouraged to prove them wrong.

3. Atheism originated with the very first people who believed in a god or gods. Atheism is simply the non-belief in a god or gods. Nothing more, nothing less.

4. As I said in the first answer, the universe is expanding in all directions. If you run the tape backwards, it's obvious that it all came from one spot. It's really as simple as that. The cause of the expansion is still being studied.

5. Because the bible was written many years after the events it describes which leads to people filling in gaps that they can't remember very well (if indeed, the people that originally wrote it were even there at the time). Secondly it has been translated so many times from ancient to modern languages from all over the world, it probably has a serious case of Chinese Whispers syndrome. Also, it is not the only book which claims to be about the true God. Therefore, either one of them is right or they're all wrong and since no-one can agree on which it is and no god is putting us straight, it can only be the latter.

Darwin's Origin of Species by Natural Selection is a book of scientific observations that animals (including humans) appear to be related in appearance and behaviour but have different adaptations to deal with the environment they live in. It then explains his theory on how he thinks this occurred, which is Natural Selection.

6. Yes. But science does not operate on faith. It operates on observation. For example, very basically, I observe that when I strike a match on the strip on the side of the matchbox, the red tip catches fire. My hypothesis is that the red tip of the match has some chemical in it that reacts to the heat created by the friction caused when I rub across the strip on the match box. On further study, I discover that the match contains phosphorous which is very flammable and reactive to heat. Therefore, my hypothesis was correct and my hypothesis has now become a theory (which I will call IFUKism or IFUK Theory of Matches Catching Fire when Struck Across the Strip on the Box, because I have an ego).

Religion operates on faith. For example,
"Mummy, how were people made?",
"Well, Timmy, a god created the first man out of a handful of dirt",
"But why don't I have any dirt in me, Mummy?",
"Because God made the dirt into flesh",
"How did he do that?",
"He can, because he's God",
"Where is God Mummy?",
"He's everywhere",
"In our house?",
"Yes",
"In our kitchen?",
"Yes",
"But I can't see him",
"He's there, believe me",
"Ok Mummy, you know best".

You can see the problem.


7. It is not an Atheists agenda to chastise the word of god or the words of believers. Some do, but they probably need a few lessons in respect. I, for one, think the bible has some very good lessons in morality and respect, but I don't believe it's the word of God or that the stories in it are records of actual events. But, what atheists do tend to do is ask believers to justify their beliefs in the same way that an atheist justifies his non-belief.

I hope that clears up at least my own atheism. I suspect most non-believer feel more or less the same. Thank you for your respectful questions.

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isn't it magic when you turn from monkey to human?
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Sorry for the double post, but I just had to call you up on this one. No one believes that monkeys turned into humans.

The theory states that monkeys and humans had a common ancestor and evolved separately, not that one evolved from the other.

For example, there are many descendants in the USA from English historical royalty, but they are now so far removed that they can be considered unrelated to the current royal family. Their DNA will show they are related but their genes are so diluted, they probably wouldn't be welcome if they turned up at Buckingham Palace with a crate of beer.


Think of this example with monkeys and humans, but with millions of years of dilution, rather than a few generations.

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A soft answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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What Happened
[link to www.cnn.com]

and
I have written in the past about the bad reputation that Christians have in America. Some argue that it comes from misrepresentation by the media. Others argue that “all who live godly will suffer persecution,” and that’s why we Christians have a poor reputation. Maybe there’s some truth to those claims, but we Christians have to acknowledge another reason why we are perceived as hateful: because many of our number are.

[link to religion.blogs.cnn.com]

It was not a hypothetical question. He was asking because some of his 1.3 million Twitter followers claim to be “Christian,” and some of the meanest, most perverse hate-tweets he receives come from these self-proclaimed Christians.

why would anyone follow with this going on,


For many are called, but few are chosen.

Matthew 24 verysad

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1) How can you talk about some big bang 10 billion years ago and you don't even have damn clue about the dark ages?

2)
Can you tell me the origin of atheism?

3)What key information can you give me so I can understand this big bang 10 or 4 billion years ago?


4)How can you judge our books and our belief and you uphold Darwin's books and theories as a doctrine and him as your God of evlolution isn't this a belief you uphold?

5)Any thing a man beleives in isn't that his faith?

6)So why do you try to chastise the word of our God and his people for believing in our creator, when you uphold your DARWINISM God who you believe in?
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Trying to keep to your request while keeping it concise and brief, I've pared it down to the actual questions in your post, I'll also attempt to remain polite and good natured.

I'll also assume you have a basic grounding in the science and history you argue against.

Here we go.

1) The comparison is flawed, the dark ages is a period of history with very little records, a moment in time that is gone and the events of that period can not be extrapolated through observation and mathematics.
The event provisionally named "the big bang" can be.

We'll get into the how and why in question 3.

2) ilWhe it's hard to point to a specific moment in human history when we can say "that is the first instance of atheism", here have always been men and women who suspected or believed that there were better explanations for natural phenomena than "gods".

Durant encountered tribes in Africa who were observed to have no identifiable cults or rites. There were no totems, no deities, and no spirits. Their dead were buried without special ceremonies or accompanying items and received no further attention. They even appeared to lack simple superstitions, according to travelers' reports.

The Veddahs of Sri Lanka also seemed to have no need for deities and when pressed displayed an attitude that suggested even if such beings did exist... they didn't really matter.


I suppose Diagoras the Greek philosopher is generally regarded as the first athiest (or at least adeist), he was kicking about sometime during the 5th century BCE.

Really we could go on all day but it's obvious enough that atheism in some form or another has always existed.

3) The key information (imo) you need to know about to understand why science currently leans towards the big bang event is galactic red shift and CMBR, these observable, recordable phenomena strongly suggest universal expansion.

As a direct consequence of this expansion, all of the observable universe must have originated in a small causally connected region, whatever caused that region to rapidly expand is what we call the big bang.

Note I said observable and recordable, this is why your dark ages comparison is flawed.

If you wish to observe CMBR right now, please switch on your TV and tune it to no station, do you see that static?
That my friend is the song of the cosmos right in front of your eyes.

This is not an exhaustive explanation obviously, but those are the key things you should investigate for yourself.

4) There is no comparison.
Darwin was just a scientist who observed, recorded, reached a hypothesis, attempted to disprove it, failed and so produced a theory. Science has been diligently trying to disprove it ever since and consistently failing.

The theory has resisted falsification so strongly that it is now accepted as probably correct.

Assuming it to be correct means that it should create certain outcomes when tested in conjunction with other theories, this has had a positive outcome so many times that it is safe to assume the theory is fact.

There is no greater attacker of science than science itself.

Science works on the concept that a theory can be falsified, if there is no possibility of falsification (such as religious beliefs) then it cannot be tested and therefore cannot be accepted.

If you are uncertain about the definition of those terms in a scientific sense (particularly falsification), please look them up before responding.

5) No, faith by definition is belief without evidence, it is not faith to believe that the Earth orbits the sun, it is the result of observation and evidence.

6) See 4 and 5 above.

I am not a scientist nor am I a very learned person, but I hope my clumsy explanations go some way to answering your questions in some small way.

Hopefully somebody with more ability can elucidate these points more thoroughly, but you at least get a sense of why I personally cannot believe in a deity.

hfpeace
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I can go on also and on but the bottom line is you have faith in lies,There is evidence surrounding many godless hesthen nations , which you got your traits from.
Also there are many nations in the africancontinents and in the americas of whom historians found artifacts and writings and evidence of an almighty God they honored and revered.

Faith
Hbr 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.



For atheism to be true, there must be an alternate explanation—other than a Creator—for how the universe and life came into existence. Although belief in some form of evolution predated Charles Darwin, he was the first to develop a plausible model for the process of evolution—natural selection.

Darwin once identified himself as a Christian but as a result of some tragedies that took place in his life, he later renounced the Christian faith and the existence of God. Evolution was then invented by one pissed off atheist. Darwin's goal was not to disprove God's existence, but that is one of the end results of the theory of evolution. Evolution is an enabler of atheism.

Evolutionary scientists likely would not admit that their goal is to give an alternate explanation of the origins of life, and thereby to give a foundation for atheism, but according to the Bible, that is exactly why the theory of evolution exists.




One small example of evidence for Creation over Evolution is exposed in something I call the Micro/Macro Deception. One of the dirty little secrets most people don't know is that there are, in fact, 2 types of Evolution

Micro-evolution and Macro-evolution. Micro-evolution happens all the time and is perfectly Biblical. Macro-evolution is what Darwin claimed, and it never happens. Here comes the deception part.

Evolutionists fill our textbooks, news reports and peer review publications with legitimate examples of observed Micro-evolution and no examples of observed Darwinian.....or Macro-evolution. (Because there aren't any) The evolutionists then lump it all together and call it “proof of evolution”. So allow me to prove what I just said is true by explaining in simple terms the difference between Micro and Macro evolution.

First though, we need to properly understand the word “evolution”. In the literal sense, “evolution” is not a bad word. It merely means “change over time”. We all change over time, so in the strictest literal sense, we “evolve”. Our thinking even “evolves” as we get older. But of course, that's not what the evolutionists mean when they tell us humanity “evolved” from a common ancestor.

Micro-evolution is a common occurrence and we see it all the time in living organisms. It is nothing more than a shuffling of current genetic information to adapt to changing environmental conditions.

For example, a study of Cane toads in Australia revealed that over a span of 70 years, the toads with longer legs tended to survive because they could run and leap farther and faster, thereby avoiding becoming some animal's lunch. Consequently, the shorter legged toads died out.

All of the toads had it within their genetic structure to develop longer legs, so whenever the occasional toad would be born with a dominant “longer leg” gene, he would have an advantage over his brother toads, tend to survive and then pass that dominant gene onto his tadpoles and before you know it, the whole Cane toad population “micro-evolved” longer legs.

Similarly, if you put some dogs on an island where the climate was too cold for their fur, eventually a dog will be born with a dominant gene for thicker fur and he will survive, pass that gene onto his puppies and over time you will see that the dogs will have “micro-evolved” thicker fur.

This is the same thing that was observed in the Galapagos Islands with regards to Darwin's finches. Certain finches developed different shaped beaks over time that helped them adapt to the types of food available. In all of these cases with the finches, the toads, the dogs etc., the changes they experienced were already built into their genetic codes.

That is critical to remember. At no time did a single piece of new, ADDITIONAL genetic information develop in any of these cases. It was merely a shuffling of EXISTING genetic information.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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For atheism to be true, there must be an alternate explanation—other than a Creator—for how the universe and life came into existence. Although belief in some form of evolution predated Charles Darwin, he was the first to develop a plausible model for the process of evolution—natural selection.

Darwin once identified himself as a Christian but as a result of some tragedies that took place in his life, he later renounced the Christian faith and the existence of God. Evolution was then invented by one pissed off atheist. Darwin's goal was not to disprove God's existence, but that is one of the end results of the theory of evolution. Evolution is an enabler of atheism.

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Your response shows how ingenue you were when you asked the questions.

The answers were given but you totally refuse to respond to it. And try to move the discussion away from the original questions. I can't help but feel you refuse to discuss it in a normal matter.

But I do want to respond to the quoted part...

-Atheism only implies that one does not believe in any known religion and that one does not presume the need for the supernatural to exist. Technically that's it. An atheist does not need to explain how the universe started, he just need to disagree with believing in a specific religion to hold the answers. For example I don't disagree with the notion it is possible that something best described as a god started the universe. I do believe however that the God as exactly described by the Bible is a fraud.

-Please elaborate as to how your ragings over Darwin (which most likely are incorrect as well) would be relevant to anything? Again atheism existed before Darwin hence you cannot argue that evolution is an enabler of atheism... There isn't some kind of false dichotomy that states that it's either the Biblical God or evolution. And that disproving evolution somehow magically infers that the Biblical Creation story is true....
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For atheism to be true, there must be an alternate explanation—other than a Creator—for how the universe and life came into existence. Although belief in some form of evolution predated Charles Darwin, he was the first to develop a plausible model for the process of evolution—natural selection.

Darwin once identified himself as a Christian but as a result of some tragedies that took place in his life, he later renounced the Christian faith and the existence of God. Evolution was then invented by one pissed off atheist. Darwin's goal was not to disprove God's existence, but that is one of the end results of the theory of evolution. Evolution is an enabler of atheism.

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Your response shows how ingenue you were when you asked the questions.

The answers were given but you totally refuse to respond to it. And try to move the discussion away from the original questions. I can't help but feel you refuse to discuss it in a normal matter.

But I do want to respond to the quoted part...

-Atheism only implies that one does not believe in any known religion and that one does not presume the need for the supernatural to exist. Technically that's it. An atheist does not need to explain how the universe started, he just need to disagree with believing in a specific religion to hold the answers. For example I don't disagree with the notion it is possible that something best described as a god started the universe. I do believe however that the God as exactly described by the Bible is a fraud.

-Please elaborate as to how your ragings over Darwin (which most likely are incorrect as well) would be relevant to anything? Again atheism existed before Darwin hence you cannot argue that evolution is an enabler of atheism... There isn't some kind of false dichotomy that states that it's either the Biblical God or evolution. And that disproving evolution somehow magically infers that the Biblical Creation story is true....
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An atheist faith is based on the unseen and in a man and in authors of lies. A creatinis our faith is in an unseen and the vidence of things hoped for.

An atheist you beleive innothing after death we believe in life after death for the wicked and for the righteous.

Atheist beleive in a the creature we believe in the creator..We believe and have hope to live immortally. you believe there is no hope after death.

You are a religion who trust in mens books and accounts we believe our prophets and their prophecies which always come through and thats our evidence.

I don't see the horse evolving into a a hosre that breeds under water. What happened to the monkeys they suddenly decided to stop the cycle of evolving into humans?


You are a religion of hopelessness and we are believers of hopfulness.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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For atheism to be true, there must be an alternate explanation—other than a Creator—for how the universe and life came into existence. Although belief in some form of evolution predated Charles Darwin, he was the first to develop a plausible model for the process of evolution—natural selection.

Darwin once identified himself as a Christian but as a result of some tragedies that took place in his life, he later renounced the Christian faith and the existence of God. Evolution was then invented by one pissed off atheist. Darwin's goal was not to disprove God's existence, but that is one of the end results of the theory of evolution. Evolution is an enabler of atheism.

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Your response shows how ingenue you were when you asked the questions.

The answers were given but you totally refuse to respond to it. And try to move the discussion away from the original questions. I can't help but feel you refuse to discuss it in a normal matter.

But I do want to respond to the quoted part...

-Atheism only implies that one does not believe in any known religion and that one does not presume the need for the supernatural to exist. Technically that's it. An atheist does not need to explain how the universe started, he just need to disagree with believing in a specific religion to hold the answers. For example I don't disagree with the notion it is possible that something best described as a god started the universe. I do believe however that the God as exactly described by the Bible is a fraud.

-Please elaborate as to how your ragings over Darwin (which most likely are incorrect as well) would be relevant to anything? Again atheism existed before Darwin hence you cannot argue that evolution is an enabler of atheism... There isn't some kind of false dichotomy that states that it's either the Biblical God or evolution. And that disproving evolution somehow magically infers that the Biblical Creation story is true....
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An atheist faith is based on the unseen and in a man and in authors of lies. A creatinis our faith is in an unseen and the vidence of things hoped for.

An atheist you beleive innothing after death we believe in life after death for the wicked and for the righteous.

Atheist beleive in a the creature we believe in the creator..We believe and have hope you beleive there is no hope after death.

You are a religion who trust in mens books and accoounts we beleive our prophets and their prophecies which always come through and thats our evidence.

I don't see the horse evolving into a a hosre that breeds under water. What happened to the monkeys they suddenly decided to stop the cycle of evovoing into humans?


You are a religion of hopelessness and we are believers of hopfulness.
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Nothing you posted has any relevance to what I posted so I don't see any reason to respond to you, you would just move the discussion away from any points made just like you have been doing consistently in this thread so far.
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For atheism to be true, there must be an alternate explanation—other than a Creator—for how the universe and life came into existence. Although belief in some form of evolution predated Charles Darwin, he was the first to develop a plausible model for the process of evolution—natural selection.

Darwin once identified himself as a Christian but as a result of some tragedies that took place in his life, he later renounced the Christian faith and the existence of God. Evolution was then invented by one pissed off atheist. Darwin's goal was not to disprove God's existence, but that is one of the end results of the theory of evolution. Evolution is an enabler of atheism.

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Your response shows how ingenue you were when you asked the questions.

The answers were given but you totally refuse to respond to it. And try to move the discussion away from the original questions. I can't help but feel you refuse to discuss it in a normal matter.

But I do want to respond to the quoted part...

-Atheism only implies that one does not believe in any known religion and that one does not presume the need for the supernatural to exist. Technically that's it. An atheist does not need to explain how the universe started, he just need to disagree with believing in a specific religion to hold the answers. For example I don't disagree with the notion it is possible that something best described as a god started the universe. I do believe however that the God as exactly described by the Bible is a fraud.

-Please elaborate as to how your ragings over Darwin (which most likely are incorrect as well) would be relevant to anything? Again atheism existed before Darwin hence you cannot argue that evolution is an enabler of atheism... There isn't some kind of false dichotomy that states that it's either the Biblical God or evolution. And that disproving evolution somehow magically infers that the Biblical Creation story is true....
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An atheist faith is based on the unseen and in a man and in authors of lies. A creatinis our faith is in an unseen and the vidence of things hoped for.

An atheist you beleive innothing after death we believe in life after death for the wicked and for the righteous.

Atheist beleive in a the creature we believe in the creator..We believe and have hope you beleive there is no hope after death.

You are a religion who trust in mens books and accoounts we beleive our prophets and their prophecies which always come through and thats our evidence.

I don't see the horse evolving into a a hosre that breeds under water. What happened to the monkeys they suddenly decided to stop the cycle of evovoing into humans?


You are a religion of hopelessness and we are believers of hopfulness.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Nothing you posted has any relevance to what I posted so I don't see any reason to respond to you, you would just move the discussion away from any points made just like you have been doing consistently in this thread so far.
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So it is
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Your response shows how ingenue you were when you asked the questions.

The answers were given but you totally refuse to respond to it. And try to move the discussion away from the original questions. I can't help but feel you refuse to discuss it in a normal matter.

But I do want to respond to the quoted part...

-Atheism only implies that one does not believe in any known religion and that one does not presume the need for the supernatural to exist. Technically that's it. An atheist does not need to explain how the universe started, he just need to disagree with believing in a specific religion to hold the answers. For example I don't disagree with the notion it is possible that something best described as a god started the universe. I do believe however that the God as exactly described by the Bible is a fraud.

-Please elaborate as to how your ragings over Darwin (which most likely are incorrect as well) would be relevant to anything? Again atheism existed before Darwin hence you cannot argue that evolution is an enabler of atheism... There isn't some kind of false dichotomy that states that it's either the Biblical God or evolution. And that disproving evolution somehow magically infers that the Biblical Creation story is true....
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An atheist faith is based on the unseen and in a man and in authors of lies. A creatinis our faith is in an unseen and the vidence of things hoped for.

An atheist you beleive innothing after death we believe in life after death for the wicked and for the righteous.

Atheist beleive in a the creature we believe in the creator..We believe and have hope you beleive there is no hope after death.

You are a religion who trust in mens books and accoounts we beleive our prophets and their prophecies which always come through and thats our evidence.

I don't see the horse evolving into a a hosre that breeds under water. What happened to the monkeys they suddenly decided to stop the cycle of evovoing into humans?


You are a religion of hopelessness and we are believers of hopfulness.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Nothing you posted has any relevance to what I posted so I don't see any reason to respond to you, you would just move the discussion away from any points made just like you have been doing consistently in this thread so far.
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So it is
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Unfortunately, like many Christians, you don't comprehend the meaning of the word 'atheism'. Simply, 'a'-without; theism-a belief in a deity...without a belief in a deity. Do you understand that? That does NOT mean an atheist believes there is no God and no afterlife. I happen to be an atheist who does believe in an afterlife...actually I believe that we incarnate into these temporary lives...for whatever reason I'm not sure of. I believe this because of a near death experience. I saw no deities and my philosophy comes from what came from within me when I was in that other dimension. If you have doubts about this, that's fine with me. I do like to tell my side but if no one believes it that's fine with me...because it can't be proven (nor do I care to even to try to). It's just a matter of discussion. But I did want to point out your erroneous conception of the meaning of the word "atheism".
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So why do you try to chastise the word of our God and his people for believing in our creator
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Because you SEEK that chastisement by your very actions of proselytizing where it is not wanted. You come to a conspiracy site and preach with your copy/paste scripture posting ad-nauseam, people are going to tell you and your religion and your faery-tale book to fuck off.
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There's the atheist that we all know and love.
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And there's the assumption that being anti-religious is to be anti-God. You could not be more wrong.

But you go on and keep up with your assumptions, just like the one which is Christianity is the only way to God.

Idiot.
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How can you talk about some big bang 10 billion years ago and you don't even have damn clue about the dark ages?
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Speak for yourself, I know quite a lot about the "Dark Ages".
For starters they weren't as dark as popular media tends to depict.
And it was only a regional event, civilisation carried on outside Western Europe.

Why then should anyone be subject to your fantasies about ten billion years ago?
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Because it is not a fantasy.
It is solid science based on large amounts of observations and thousands of person-years of intellectual labour.
That science conflicts with your personal views is not science's problem.
Science strips away believe systems, and confronts you with he naked facts.
It is the ultimate subversive tool.
Be you emperor or pope, science doesn't care, only the evidence matters.

Is not that dogmatic or religious when forced on a society
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

Nobody is forcing anything.
You can either learn about the science and evidence and become part of the debate, or continue to wallow in ignorance.
Your choice.

Can you tell me the origin of atheism?
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

I was born this way.

What key information can you give me so I can understand this big bang 10 or 4 billion years ago?
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

The universe is expanding, the universe has a temperature.
Why did you choose to drop out of school?

You beleive in something that cannot be proven and not seen
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Bollocks.
You being ignorant of the evidence won't make it go away.

and believers in yehshiyeh beleive in something not seen but proven through the prophecies and our prophets.
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Bollocks.
Faithists have ridiculous low standards of evidence.

How can you judge our books and our belief and you uphold Darwin's books and theories as a doctrine and him as your God of evlolution isn't this a belief you uphold?
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Big fat strawman.
Atheism is the lack of believe in any deities.
NOT the "believe" in certain scientific theories.

There are atheists who are scientific illiterates.
They are just not inclined to take the fairy tales from the local clergy as fact.

There are plenty of religious people who take modern cosmology and biology as given facts.
They prefer not to argue against the facts and don't think the facts conflict with their believes.
It is only those that insist that some antique book is intended to be taken literally rather than metaphorically who have a problem with reality.

It is not atheism vs theism but reality vs fundamentalist denialism.

Any thing a man beleives in isn't that his faith?
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

Faith is believing without evidence.
Some believes have a considerably stronger foundation on observed reality than others.

and what is faith but something hoped for that cannot be seen!
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How is that not irrational.
The things I hope for I don't presume to exist.
That's why I work on trying to make them come true.

So why do you try to chastise the word of our God and his people for believing in our creator,
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

We, in general, don't.
However when irrational people insist on applying their irrationality in the public sphere they are attacking our freedoms and safety.

when you uphold your DARWINISM God who you believe in?
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

Bollocks.
"Darwinism" isn't a faith.
The Modern Synthesis is currently the best available explanation for biological diversity.
If you have a better one please share.
As long as it doesn't involve magic.

Which makes atheism a religious abomination and a cage of every foul spirit.?
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Begging the question.
And why would anyone care what a person who's stuck in the Bronze Age thinks of us?
book
Hatred is a cancer upon the world.
It rots the mind and blackens the heart.


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I`ve got nothing against god.


Its his fan club I cant stand.
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I'm not an atheist, more of an agnostic and I fully believe God could exist. I was raised as a child to be Christian and accepted it. Then I had bible history in school. Only about 7 people took the class. Well in that class we read only the Old Testament, and I saw God as an evil person murdering his own creations. He killed so many people, he told people to murder and rape in his name, yet, people choose to follow this tyrant. It's very possible that I'm wrong, but, even if the bible were true, I choose not to follow God. He promote love. He promotes fear. I still find biblical texts interesting but I question it. I question it's originality, it's rewrites, it's edit, and I also question it's retellings from oral traditions. It seems unlikely that the God in the bible, is the God in real life, if there is a God. I don't know. I could be wrong. peace
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I'm not an atheist, more of an agnostic and I fully believe God could exist. I was raised as a child to be Christian and accepted it. Then I had bible history in school. Only about 7 people took the class. Well in that class we read only the Old Testament, and I saw God as an evil person murdering his own creations. He killed so many people, he told people to murder and rape in his name, yet, people choose to follow this tyrant. It's very possible that I'm wrong, but, even if the bible were true, I choose not to follow God. He promote love. He promotes fear. I still find biblical texts interesting but I question it. I question it's originality, it's rewrites, it's edit, and I also question it's retellings from oral traditions. It seems unlikely that the God in the bible, is the God in real life, if there is a God. I don't know. I could be wrong. peace
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I AM GLAD YOU UNDERSTOOD THE THREAD AND I AM HAPPY TO HEAR FROM YOU. KEEP LOOKING ME UP AND READ MY THREADS YOU WILL UNDERSTNAD THAT GOD IS NOT A TYRANT
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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