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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24752810 United States 02/10/2013 12:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | our soldiers are told over and over again that islam in NOT the enemy and that they must be "sensitive" to islam/muslims. can you imagine soldiers in WWII being told they must be sensitive to the germans or the japanese? can you imagine being told that one must be sensitive to those who are trying to kill you? i would imagine that most soldiers coming home are confused and dazed by fighting a "war" which they are not allowed to win. ^this. they kill themselves when they come home, and the first thing they read in the local paper is 'courts approve sharia law usage for civil disputes'. |
PC FREE User ID: 5359980 United States 02/10/2013 12:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All of these FBI stings lately have been Jihadist wannabees,yet the govt is changing there view of a domestic terrorist to right wing conservatives.Anyone hear of any right wing attacks on the govt lately? Yeah me neither.And while we`re on the subject has Obama even said the two words terrorist and Muslim together in the same sentence yet?It sounds as though the new definition of a domestic terrorist is more a witch hunt on political opposition than a actual viable source of domestic terror. objective viewer |
recollector User ID: 26964049 United Kingdom 02/10/2013 12:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are certainly a lot of stories out there lately about people thinking they are in contact with "someone bad", while it actually is a FBI agent. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14505884 'Someone bad' is right but not that what they wanted. :) Totally an FBI agent, with a fake bomb... Quoting: recollector ANY above medium IQ human wanting to blow up a bank, gov. bulding, a mall, etc., CANNOT be caught, unless he is a drug addict or alcohoolic person, talking to much. i agree with both of these ^^^ And when has one of these "cells", "groups", or "troubled individuals" NOT been "taken down" that didn't entail some government provocateur involved "at the deepest level". Spin this, turn this, and promote this any way they'd like - it still boils down to reading the writing on the wall that's been evident for the last 20 or so years as to who the provocateurs are, as well as who is actually pushing to set ANYTHING off. Are there actual loose cannons that may pose a threat to certain establishments, organizations, groups of even individuals? Sure there are. In a country of ~330,000,000 people, there are bound to be those in existence - and it is up to and the responsibility of each and every citizen to root these people and groups out through a maintained vigilance in protection and continuance of their own safety and security. Does it not strike anyone else as odd that ZERO of these related events have actually matured through fruition on their own? That ZERO such acts have actually been committed by some loner or fringe group that had no government involvement? Are we to believe the government is so very efficient that they have infiltrated absolutely every single element? Hogwash - never ever forget how they pushed Randy Weaver, who ultimately lost his family and time of his freedom - all for an extra half-inch of a shotgun barrel at the behest of one these lowlife provocateurs. I think you don't get it. The government infiltrated all the groups, that is easy...but you wonder why those individuals aren't rooted by citizens? Seriously, "maintained vigilance"? Let me tell ya why. There are PLENTY of individuals smart enough to blow up all building but military bases. I am one of them. The fact that you DIDN'T experienced those individuals actualy ACTING, is the fact that we (since I am one of them) are STILL in a home, our family is affected, but to to a degree to make us act, with enough food (tho less and less by the month). There is not YET a reason to act. Also, to make a bomb there days, you need max 3 hour to buy the stuff, make the bomb and blow it. In 3 hours, NOBODY can do anything, especially that we act like normal people.Heck, we dont have anything at home that can be considered dangerous.We don't even have a record.We are NOW, unsuspected, hence, nobody is spying on us.We are the perfect example of law-abiding citizens. Don't worry, it is not the time yet.But will be very, very soon. Last Edited by Recollector on 02/10/2013 12:36 PM |
davvi (OP) User ID: 3677166 United States 02/10/2013 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The road to civil unrest lies with a racial motivated crime and the government knows this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15292827 yes and is one of the reasons that our media refuses to report black on white crime in the same hysterical way they report the rare white on black crime. those who they "allow" to keep illegal weapons are marching in the streets because of "injustice" as defined by the government and the rest of us are fighting weapon confiscation. elevate one group while supressing the other leads to resentment and eventually violence. oh and i might also point out white liberals who enable this kind of stuff too and the republicans who are too frightened to defend their own people. Davvi, I have to believe so much of what you're referring to stems directly from the White Guilt that has been force-fed to the American populous since the late 60s. There simply exists no other reasonable explanation, and while it is the root of many problems and surviving/ continued and even newly-fostered racial tensions - it is no less appalling, and each and every one of these broadcasters, "newscasters", actors, writers, publishers, producers, politicians and any other commonly utilized mouthpieces are complicit in every racially motivated crime within the last few decades. absolutely, look at the age of them and their education, every last one of them who promote this stuff is from the same generation. even though obama is a little younger, he got his influence from people such as bill ayers, bernadette dornan, mommy dearest and the most radical of all frank marshall davis who was probably his daddy. obama senior can just be dismissed as a womanizer who happened to take the blame for obama. oooh almost forgot john kerry and the clintons all radical alinsky garbage. |
MuslimAmerican User ID: 26542172 United States 02/10/2013 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh noes, the FBI busted another one of their plots with another supposedly mentally ill Muslim they lured into everything. War support must be getting too low for the administration again, gotta keep those predator drones flying. No logical mind would think bombing a bank would ignite a civil war because of some kind of crackdown, what would they crack down on? VBIED's? Aren't those already illegal..... Feed the hungry, visit the sick, free a captive if he be unjustly confined(kidnapped/enslaved by someone). Assist any person oppressed, whether they're of the Muslim or non-Muslim. - Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) |
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davvi (OP) User ID: 3677166 United States 02/10/2013 12:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | our soldiers are told over and over again that islam in NOT the enemy and that they must be "sensitive" to islam/muslims. can you imagine soldiers in WWII being told they must be sensitive to the germans or the japanese? can you imagine being told that one must be sensitive to those who are trying to kill you? i would imagine that most soldiers coming home are confused and dazed by fighting a "war" which they are not allowed to win. ^this. they kill themselves when they come home, and the first thing they read in the local paper is 'courts approve sharia law usage for civil disputes'. brilliant post!!!! they are shot at by the very people who are gaining control over here. the soldier returns home to find a muslim in the white house and state department and NOW directing the cia. everywhere the soldier looks islam is ascending even in their own countries, promoted by their own commander in cheif. it has to be mind boggling. |
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NonAlignedEntity User ID: 26696239 United States 02/10/2013 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are certainly a lot of stories out there lately about people thinking they are in contact with "someone bad", while it actually is a FBI agent. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14505884 It certainly illustrates the diversity of the word. Overstand, this isn't a sermon from the hill, but a 'Trespassers Will Be Shot' Sign. |
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Ralph--a house dog User ID: 25802009 United States 02/10/2013 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you're being targeted for unjust reasons by corrupt entities: Quoting: joshua 6136446 Be single, fearless, have some role-playing skills and a great sense of humor. You can protect yourself, learn volumes about this phenomena and get to experience all the action and intrigue of an A-list movie star. You will very likely get beat up, go half crazy and lose most of your friends until you learn to identify their tactics, see how lead-up events work to desensitize you and then use their own informants against them. Develop your peripheral vision, learn walking meditation and control your reactions to stimuli. If you can do this, there's really nothing you can't accomplish when it comes to fighting their influence through peaceful methods. When they want you to react you have to absolutely convince them that you're going to do what you have always done and follow their plan while introducing subtle inconsistencies that make them move so you can view their operational deficiencies. Put off any agreements for action and interject your own ever-changing list of criteria to get the feedback you need; this will frustrate them. Their creative abilities are limited especially the lower down the food chain you go and they will send more experienced agents with bigger egos who are bound to blow their cover because of their prideful ways. You need to insult these higher agents immediately (acting off balance) and then throw them a bone so they continue to target you at their own peril; which they will, trust me. Repeat as necessary, you will probably end up getting beat up, going half crazy and losing more friends but what is the alternative. It's very important to create allies and useful antagonists at all the locations you intend to work out of; those you can wink at to come closer or intervene on your behalf, quickly piss off or role-play with to draw attention or spread a harmless rumor about the perceived agents to generate a few hard stares in their general direction. If you know they're trying to entrap you and it gets too hot by all means get the media involved, talk with friends in law enforcement and seek safety in numbers or with family members. Just some thoughts! Smart advice. I imagine there already have been those who have been proceeding in the manner you suggest or there would have been even more of these phony little "foiled terrorist attacks" occurring. However, infiltrators are seeking people who, because of various psychological instabilities, would not have the presence of mind to follow a course of action such as this and will be led into carrying out violence that would have otherwise remained a dormant fantasy or played out in video games. "Do Not Go Gentle into that Good Night.....Rage, rage against the dying of the light"-----Dylan Thomas HIS NAME IS SETH RICH [link to biblicalselfdefense.com] [link to forum.1111ers.blog] Always remember that "for the greater good" will not include YOU. "Who decides?" ---Robert A. Heinlein -'Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.'—Benjamin Franklin [link to www.westcoasttruth.com] The only thing worth paying full retail for is pantyhose. You cannot do all of the good the world needs, but the world needs all of the good you can do. |
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davvi (OP) User ID: 3677166 United States 02/10/2013 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm surprised they didn't report him as really being Muhammad Rafsanjani, of Iranian origin. They're slacking lately. Come on, boys, get with it. Iran is fading in the news and we simply can't have that. Quoting: Buck Zander Our leaders threaten Iran because they hate it's freedom. i do hope that was sarcasm... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34082280 Germany 02/10/2013 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm surprised they didn't report him as really being Muhammad Rafsanjani, of Iranian origin. They're slacking lately. Come on, boys, get with it. Iran is fading in the news and we simply can't have that. Quoting: Buck Zander Our leaders threaten Iran because they hate it's freedom. :slols: i do hope that was sarcasm... Not as much as it was when Bush said that about the 9/11 arabs. Iran is not in the club, so it must get knocked down. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34078658 United States 02/10/2013 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All of these FBI stings lately have been Jihadist wannabees,yet the govt is changing there view of a domestic terrorist to right wing conservatives.Anyone hear of any right wing attacks on the govt lately? Yeah me neither.And while we`re on the subject has Obama even said the two words terrorist and Muslim together in the same sentence yet?It sounds as though the new definition of a domestic terrorist is more a witch hunt on political opposition than a actual viable source of domestic terror. Quoting: PC FREE So, at what point did you decide to listen? People have been warning of it for a decade. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34070459 United States 02/10/2013 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | our soldiers are told over and over again that islam in NOT the enemy and that they must be "sensitive" to islam/muslims. can you imagine soldiers in WWII being told they must be sensitive to the germans or the japanese? can you imagine being told that one must be sensitive to those who are trying to kill you? i would imagine that most soldiers coming home are confused and dazed by fighting a "war" which they are not allowed to win. You are stupid. Germany and German citizens were not the enemy. The nazis and the nazi party was. Same for Japan. Citizens have nothing to do with the Military Industrial Complex fucking idiot. |
Shellbe User ID: 30104390 United States 02/10/2013 12:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are certainly a lot of stories out there lately about people thinking they are in contact with "someone bad", while it actually is a FBI agent. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14505884 That is what I was thinking. All these supposed cases of terrorism are all created by the government. To further justify the need for a crack down. In all reality, these supposed terrorist would not even have the means, and possibly the idea to commit the acts but for the government.I had a case a year ago where my guy was charged with possessing a machine gun. Truth of the matter is it was ATF s gun, and ATF sold it to him. The guy did not even know he wanted a machine gun until it was offered by the ATF. ^^ This ^^ i have no idea when what the LEOs do can be considered entrapment? does one insist that an alcholic have a drink? and if one does aren't they an called an "enabler?" then why is the fbi not cast as an enabler? entrapment is a very difficult defense to prove. If the government can show any predisposition on the defendants side, the defense fails. so basically, all they have to show is the defendant already had guns and that would be enough. text book example of entrapment is the distraught father with a sick child who cant pay the medical bills, government agent approached and offers a way out if the father commits a crime. In my case, we had a much better defense and did end up getting a not guilty. you can only hope the juries do the right thing in these cases, which in many cases they do not. In my opinion its because of fear created by the government. "You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom" Clarence Darrow |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34069269 United States 02/10/2013 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they have been setting people up on purpose to make it seem that there is a war on terror. Quoting: TheTruthNeverLies And everybody they set up for one of these stings looks like a mouth breathing idiot, have you noticed that? I mean, no offence, but I have seen the guy who did the bomb threat here IRL. Close your mouth, dude. Is this people who want to plant bombs, or folks desperately in need of an adenoidectomy? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4361010 Canada 02/10/2013 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | oh boy an update from pjmedia: Quoting: davvi "Court records stemming from a 2011 weapons conviction show that the one-time Marine likely suffered from mental illness that included bouts of paranoia, suicidal tendencies, hallucinations and voices in his head, and had a vast working knowledge of weaponry. Those same records show that Llaneza’s father long had concerns about his son’s stability, keeping him at arm’s length after he returned to San Jose from several years living with grandparents in Arizona and having abruptly converted to Islam. During the planning of the attack, Llaneza also allegedly said “he would dance with joy when the bomb exploded.” After the attack, Llaneza had intended to flee by boat to Pakistan and then travel to Afghanistan to train with Taliban fighters…." [link to pjmedia.com] uh oh, so this guy also had mental problems and a family member who was concerned? didn't the left make sure that mental patients could not be confined against "their will." and the would-be bomber converted to islam? just like our new cia director. what a coincidence. The keyword here is mental. Don't you smell coinkydinkness? I do! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34083897 Germany 02/10/2013 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They won't stop staging mass shootings and/or terror attacks to blame it on gun owning patriots and justify a civil war... Only this way they can point the finger at the patriots and say "see! they started it!" ...and the whole world will support foreign UN troops in America to crush the evil american terrorists with their evil guns. It's so obvious by now...humanity is finished... |
nerd User ID: 31855582 United States 02/10/2013 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sounds like another FBI-made plot that they foiled themselves to appear like the good guys Quoting: SteamrolledGobias They tend to have these around appropriations time oddly enough... Funny how that works, eh? Imaginary Terror and Uncle Ben's Freshly Printed Imaginary Money: The Symbiotic Engine powering America's Rocket Sled to Hell. |
davvi (OP) User ID: 3677166 United States 02/10/2013 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | our soldiers are told over and over again that islam in NOT the enemy and that they must be "sensitive" to islam/muslims. can you imagine soldiers in WWII being told they must be sensitive to the germans or the japanese? can you imagine being told that one must be sensitive to those who are trying to kill you? i would imagine that most soldiers coming home are confused and dazed by fighting a "war" which they are not allowed to win. You are stupid. Germany and German citizens were not the enemy. The nazis and the nazi party was. Same for Japan. Citizens have nothing to do with the Military Industrial Complex fucking idiot. did you even read what i wrote? islam is the enemy today much the way the nazis and the japanese were the enemy way back when, the only difference is that now we tell our soldiers that the enemy is NOT the enemy and that we must be sensitive to those who are trying to kill us, ie muslims. how do you fight an enemy when you are NOT allowed to call him by name? |
davvi (OP) User ID: 3677166 United States 02/10/2013 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are certainly a lot of stories out there lately about people thinking they are in contact with "someone bad", while it actually is a FBI agent. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14505884 That is what I was thinking. All these supposed cases of terrorism are all created by the government. To further justify the need for a crack down. In all reality, these supposed terrorist would not even have the means, and possibly the idea to commit the acts but for the government.I had a case a year ago where my guy was charged with possessing a machine gun. Truth of the matter is it was ATF s gun, and ATF sold it to him. The guy did not even know he wanted a machine gun until it was offered by the ATF. ^^ This ^^ i have no idea when what the LEOs do can be considered entrapment? does one insist that an alcholic have a drink? and if one does aren't they an called an "enabler?" then why is the fbi not cast as an enabler? entrapment is a very difficult defense to prove. If the government can show any predisposition on the defendants side, the defense fails. so basically, all they have to show is the defendant already had guns and that would be enough. text book example of entrapment is the distraught father with a sick child who cant pay the medical bills, government agent approached and offers a way out if the father commits a crime. In my case, we had a much better defense and did end up getting a not guilty. you can only hope the juries do the right thing in these cases, which in many cases they do not. In my opinion its because of fear created by the government. interesting. i have often wondered about that tv show called "bait car". leaving a high-end car with keys in it and then arresting the person who "steals" it seems strange to me. yes i know that the perp had the option to not take it, but sometimes the temptation is too great. i am in no way excusing the thief, but still... |
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Hypergod User ID: 29311204 United States 02/10/2013 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I swear to god almost every single 'terror plot' since 9/11 has been an FBI sting operation. They probably do the same thing every time. Step 1 - Get idiot to shoot off mouth in presence of agent. Step 2 - Give said mentally handicapped moron bomb. Step 3 - Arrest moron w/bomb and get headline making terrorism seem real when in reality it's 90% Al-CIA-DUH. Last Edited by Hypergod on 02/10/2013 01:58 PM I want to go out of this world like I came in, screaming and covered in blood. |