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Secrecy in Freemasonry

 
Gnostic Warrior

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The aim of the illuminati, who are the secret inner circle of masons, has always been to install one of the brotherhood close to powerful people of the world and influence decision- making according to the principles of freemasonry -
if you look at the philosophies behind the crucial decisions, they reflect the substitution of God with reason and nature,
mainly, that this deplorable state of the world is just the way it is and we can do nothing to change human nature to fix the problems of starvation and war.
 Quoting: K.Kool


There are absolutely no facts that the Illuminati still exist and is more of a conspiracy term. If you can prove they do, please show me because I cannot find these facts anywhere. I think it is much more complicated than you think. But we are just guessing because we are NOT privy to insider facts, just outsider disinformation.

We are governed in this age under the sword and war. This is a fact now for 3,000 years and 2013 years in this 6th age. War is not something new or the plan for infiniti so some dudes at the top can get rich destroying the planet. But yes, we live in a world that is much like monopoly and managed accordingly.

In regards to starvation, while I do not like anyone to suffer, this has been going on since the dawn of human kind and today is the first time in history that it is not as prevalent as it was in societies in the past. For example, here in America, people simply do not starve to death and guess who the hell founded this country? Could they have been Freemasons???

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Like Masons do?

Or the Minions who work for them for monopoly money?

Have you thought about your postion with God lately?

He wont excuse you from murder.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


I know my position with the Almighty.

I am just his word.
 Quoting: IAMIAM


Good luck then!

They ARE the governments though.
 Quoting: TruthMinion



Worse than that, they are close to governments and shape policies in secret.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Yeah, and so do Catholics.
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Like Masons do?

Or the Minions who work for them for monopoly money?

Have you thought about your postion with God lately?

He wont excuse you from murder.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


I know my position with the Almighty.

I am just his word.
 Quoting: IAMIAM


Good luck then!

They ARE the governments though.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


And God bless you too.
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Gnostic Warrior

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Secrecy is everywhere and not just in Freemasonry.

I keep secrets with just my wife that some of my children do not know.

I keep secrets that my father and mother do not know and I am reasonable enough to know that they have secrets that have and will take to the grave that I will never know.

I keep secrets from some employees that do not need to know what is going on.

However, it is NO secret that Freemasons have had and have a large hand in Western society in most every level. Hence, they have a lot of power and I AM glad it is them rather than someone else.
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior



No discredit to your importance, but your personal secrets don't have much to to do with the kind of secrecy in freemasonry, which allows unquestioning loyalty to the brotherhood.

Their power has shaped our world, that is true, but I can never be glad for the starvation, the corruption and the proposed further enslavement of mankind.
 Quoting: K.Kool


This brotherhood you speak of is thousands of years old. There has always been oaths made with penalty of death throughout history and NOT all were Freemasons or Templars etc.

My point was that often there is a reason for secrets, no matter who the secret keepers are. Yes, their secrets deal with much more serious matters than my personal secrets, but they are all one and the same in definition, a secret.

We have always been slaves and just FYI, we slaves under TPTB rule is some of the best damn slavery we plebs have EVER LIVED in the history of slavery. Do I love it or the fact I know who I AM in regards to the government? NO! But I do know that the ultimate goal is not eternal enslavement.

To be free on this earth in most societies, is not a birth rite, it must be earned and or bought with money. This is how our system has worked for thousands of years.
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior



There is a huge difference in the consequences of masonic secrets which swear loyalty to each other above every other affiliation, and the secrets which have no such oaths attached, surely you can see this?

It is time this system of which you speak of is ended, not through communism or socialism, but justice,
the dignity of each and every individual will be restored,
without payment,
and morality will guide decision making, not the precept that the end justifies the means.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Sure I can see it, but to me a secret is a secret and an oath is what I hope the person I have a secret with will keep and not break. Hence, they are once and the same or else there would be no secrets. Surely you understand this?

In the 7th age, we will have a world where merit and morality will guide decision making. Unfortunately, it looks like we have a lot of work to do and I suggest we work together trying to affect this change, rather than attack the very groups who can assist us in these matters.
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Good luck then!

They ARE the governments though.
 Quoting: TruthMinion



Worse than that, they are close to governments and shape policies in secret.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Yeah, and so do Catholics.
 Quoting: IAMIAM


They work hand in hand.

As opposed to oppositon.

They hoodwinked you.

(Or so you type.)
 Quoting: TruthMinion


I work with neither, as I have said.

Now this is the last I am going to say it.

Make one more association with me and the Freemasons, and you will no longer be posting in my threads.

Understood?

I STAND ALONE.



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Hello again, my fave enemy

hf


why are the aims of the higher degree masons (the illuminati)
kept secret from the majority of their members?
 Quoting: K.Kool



They are not kept secret at all from the members. You are always seeking masonic light as a traveling man. If you do not find the light you are seeking then that is your failure not the groups.

Having long wondered in darkness one seeks masonic light. You can seek all you want but if you are not looking you will never find it.

No deception at all if you open your eyes to masonic light. Good or bad, you decide.hiding
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4032947



Is this what you are referring to?

"It is for the Adept to understand the meaning of the Symbols [140] and Oliver declares: "Brethren, high in rank and office, are often unacquainted with the elementary principles of the science". [141] Masons "may be fifty years Masters of the Chair and yet not learn the secret of the Brotherhood. This secret is, in its own nature, invulnerable; for the Mason, to whom it has become known, can only have guessed it and certainly not have received it from any one; he has discovered it, because he has been in the lodge, marked, learned and inwardly digested. When he arrives at the discovery, he unquestionably keeps it to himself, not communicating it even to his most intimate Brother, because, should this person not have capability to discover it of himself, he would likewise be wanting in the capability to use it, if he received it verbally. For this reason it will forever remain a secret". [142]

In view of the fact that the secrets of Masonry are unknown to the bulk of Masons, the oaths of secrecy taken on the Bible are all the more startling and unjustifiable. The oath, for instance, of the first degree is as follows: "I, in the presence of the Great Architect of the Universe, . . . do hereby and hereon solemnly and sincerely swear, that I will always hide, conceal and never reveal any part or parts, any point or points of the secrets or mysteries of or belonging to Free and Accepted Masons in Masonry which may heretofore have been known by, shall now or may at any future time be communicated to me" etc. "These several points I solemnly swear to observe under no less penalty, than to have my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by the root and my body buried in the sands of the sea", "or the more efficient punishment of being branded as a wilfully perjured individual, void of all moral worth". "So help me God", etc."

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 Quoting: K.Kool


I am not trying to start a shit storm with you but please really do read the first paragraph you posted again. It might be hard to understand but go back to what I originally posted. Just because nobody talks about it does not mean its unknown or secret. The secret is only a secret to the unknown. Everybody knows if they seek it. The whole "secret" is the "secret" which is not a secret at all.

I know it really all appears as BS from time to time but just the simplicity of it is what is so compelling.

And you have to come to a point and realize when does a Mason become a Brother? A Mason is a Mason and a Brother is a Brother.
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Hello again, my fave enemy

hf


why are the aims of the higher degree masons (the illuminati)
kept secret from the majority of their members?
 Quoting: K.Kool


Why do you think? Please keep in mind that I AM no Mason, but I AM a free thinking human who has studied their works, teachings and brotherhood to know probably more than most 32 degree masons. I also believe that I know some things that even 33rd degree mason do not know and of course, vice versa.
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior


Every degree, and what is done in those degrees, are kept a secret for those in lower degrees. There is nothing sinister in this, it is simply to make the experiences of the higher degrees and rituals more powerful and deep than they would been if already knowing it all. Just as watching a movie is more rewarding if you dont know the full plot and everything that will happen beforehand. Or like an archaeological expedition, where you are digging into deep treasures in a new location never explored before, having amazement towards what you will find, and great wonder. I consider it to be like that archaeological metaphor myself, since it is a similar type of feeling and rewarding sensation when you discover the treasures.

There are also many more than 33 degrees. 33 degrees are only part of one branch of Freemasonry which is the Scottish Rite. I am part of that as well as others, which I find more interesting and having up to 99 degrees.

To my knowledge there are currently no higher than 99 degrees in any rites these days, although it is possible in some osbscure and very hidden underground masonic systems I am not aware of.
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Hello again, my fave enemy

hf


why are the aims of the higher degree masons (the illuminati)
kept secret from the majority of their members?
 Quoting: K.Kool


You're lumping all Freemasons into the same category. To use an analogy, it's like saying "How come all Catholics molest children?" Or, "How come Australians murder Aboriginals?"

That wouldn't be fair now would it? What would be correct, would be to restate your question like this:

"Why are the aims of SOME groups that CLAIM to be Freemasons (the illuminati) kept from the majority of other Freemasons?"

When put into that context, the answer is simple:

Because the vast majority of Freemasons have no idea WTF you're spewing on about.

Peace.
 Quoting: AwakenedDude



Well, that actually is my point, that the majority do not know the aims because it is kept secret.
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The aim of the illuminati, who are the secret inner circle of masons, has always been to install one of the brotherhood close to powerful people of the world and influence decision- making according to the principles of freemasonry -
if you look at the philosophies behind the crucial decisions, they reflect the substitution of God with reason and nature,
mainly, that this deplorable state of the world is just the way it is and we can do nothing to change human nature to fix the problems of starvation and war.
 Quoting: K.Kool


There are absolutely no facts that the Illuminati still exist and is more of a conspiracy term. If you can prove they do, please show me because I cannot find these facts anywhere. I think it is much more complicated than you think. But we are just guessing because we are NOT privy to insider facts, just outsider disinformation.

We are governed in this age under the sword and war. This is a fact now for 3,000 years and 2013 years in this 6th age. War is not something new or the plan for infiniti so some dudes at the top can get rich destroying the planet. But yes, we live in a world that is much like monopoly and managed accordingly.

In regards to starvation, while I do not like anyone to suffer, this has been going on since the dawn of human kind and today is the first time in history that it is not as prevalent as it was in societies in the past. For example, here in America, people simply do not starve to death and guess who the hell founded this country? Could they have been Freemasons???

God Washington
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior



The proof to me that the illuminati do exist and do manipulate world events, is exactly the reasonableness of your excuses for the continuance of the old system.

The gods of reason and nature..

God's law is so different from that, and even if now it seems that most have swallowed the lies disguised as intelligent thinking, the truth will come out, and this old system will go.
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No discredit to your importance, but your personal secrets don't have much to to do with the kind of secrecy in freemasonry, which allows unquestioning loyalty to the brotherhood.

Their power has shaped our world, that is true, but I can never be glad for the starvation, the corruption and the proposed further enslavement of mankind.
 Quoting: K.Kool


This brotherhood you speak of is thousands of years old. There has always been oaths made with penalty of death throughout history and NOT all were Freemasons or Templars etc.

My point was that often there is a reason for secrets, no matter who the secret keepers are. Yes, their secrets deal with much more serious matters than my personal secrets, but they are all one and the same in definition, a secret.

We have always been slaves and just FYI, we slaves under TPTB rule is some of the best damn slavery we plebs have EVER LIVED in the history of slavery. Do I love it or the fact I know who I AM in regards to the government? NO! But I do know that the ultimate goal is not eternal enslavement.

To be free on this earth in most societies, is not a birth rite, it must be earned and or bought with money. This is how our system has worked for thousands of years.
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior



There is a huge difference in the consequences of masonic secrets which swear loyalty to each other above every other affiliation, and the secrets which have no such oaths attached, surely you can see this?

It is time this system of which you speak of is ended, not through communism or socialism, but justice,
the dignity of each and every individual will be restored,
without payment,
and morality will guide decision making, not the precept that the end justifies the means.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Sure I can see it, but to me a secret is a secret and an oath is what I hope the person I have a secret with will keep and not break. Hence, they are once and the same or else there would be no secrets. Surely you understand this?

In the 7th age, we will have a world where merit and morality will guide decision making. Unfortunately, it looks like we have a lot of work to do and I suggest we work together trying to affect this change, rather than attack the very groups who can assist us in these matters.
 Quoting: Gnostic Warrior



An oath is far more than a hope that someone will keep a secret (the oaths freemasons take have been posted twice on this thread already).
They are binding contracts that ensure no matter what the order is, it will be obeyed, over and above any other loyalty, no matter whether the outcome is understood or not, and what makes it potentially evil is that the masons believe the end justifies the means.
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An oath is far more than a hope that someone will keep a secret (the oaths freemasons take have been posted twice on this thread already).
They are binding contracts that ensure no matter what the order is, it will be obeyed, over and above any other loyalty, no matter whether the outcome is understood or not, and what makes it potentially evil is that the masons believe the end justifies the means.
 Quoting: K.Kool


As they themselves put it:

"without any mental reservation or secret evasion of mind whatever, binding myself under no less penalty than that of having my throat cut across"

Since they have no mental reservation.

No mental reservation it is.

The Mafia.
 Quoting: TruthMinion



Blind allegiance, and the majority do not know they are working towards a total control of the world.

Some illuminati history:

"Members were acquainted only with their immediate superiors, and only a few trusted members knew that Weishaupt was the founder and supreme head of the order. All the members were obliged to give themselves a training in accordance with the aims of the society, and to make themselves useful, while the order, on its part, pledged itself to further their interests by the most effectual means.
They were especially recommended to systematically observe persons and events, to acquire knowledge, and to pursue scientific research in so far as it might serve the purposes of the order.
Concerning all persons with whom they had intercourse they were to gather information, and on all matters which could possibly affect either themselves or the order they were to hand in sealed reports; these were opened by superiors unknown to the writers, and were, in substance, referred to the general. The purpose of this and other regulations was to enable the order to attain its object by securing for it a controlling influence in all directions, and especially by pressing culture and enlightenment into its service.
All illuministic and official organs, the press, schools, seminaries, cathedral chapters (hence, too, all appointments to sees, pulpits, and chairs) were to be brought as far as possible under the influence of the organization, and princes themselves were to be surrounded by a legion of enlightened men, in order not only to disarm their opposition, but also to compel their energetic co-operation. A complete transformation would thus be effected; public opinion would be controlled; "priests and princes" would find their hands tied; the marplots who ventured to interfere would repent their temerity; and the order would become an object of dread to all its enemies."


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What I have come to realize is that when you start keeping secrets, you tend to work for yourself, and against humanity.

No good organisation keeps secrets unless they are doing something nefarious.

"When we set out to deceive, oh what a tumbled web we weave."
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What I have come to realize is that when you start keeping secrets, you tend to work for yourself, and against humanity.

No good organisation keeps secrets unless they are doing something nefarious.

"When we set out to deceive, oh what a tumbled web we weave."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34563074


IF this is true, then consider this...

Husbands keep secrets from wives.

Parents keep secrets from their children.

Churches keep secrets from their flock.

The flock keeps secrets from their Churches.

The Governments keep secrets from their people,

and the people keep secrets from their government.

God keeps secrets from Man,

and Man foolishly tries to hide it all from God.


And all the secrets hidden in dark places,

like a cancer, grows and subdues all that is Life.
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