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Does anybody have an idea how long we (the USA) have before TSHTF and chaos breaks out?

 
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When weapon confiscation becomes a reality, or you see your neighbors taken away. It's staring though, maybe not chaos yet. Those who want to harm us are moving slow, but now they have the right puppet to make it work.
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Have you seen this?

[link to www.4thmedia.org]

"A grim Federal Security Forces (FSB) “urgent action” memorandum prepared for President Putin is warning thatUnited States President Barack Obama has ordered at least 800 highly trained “death squad” units to disperse throughout his country in preparation for what Russian intelligence analysts are predicting to be a series of high-profile killings of dissident Americans set to begin as soon as February 22nd.

According to this memo, Obama was emboldened to implement this murderous plan against his own citizens after this past weeks US Federal Court ruling granted his regime the right to kill, without trial or charges, any American he so chooses, and keep the reason(s) for doing so secret...."

More at site
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See... I was thinking that the Christopher Dorner and the crazy Alabama hostage guy ,and also that amazing sniper guy - all of their deaths could be exactly what you are talking about....

conspiracies to kill those snipers that might actually be a threat to obama when he tries to take guns, martial law, etc.

thats why these crazy fantastical stories are on the news, so that they may justify killing these people
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Yep, could be test runs...As the article states feb 22 is the unleash date.

I'm guessing there will be a media blackout if it happens
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I think it's already started.
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Re: Does anybody have an idea how long we (the USA) have before TSHTF and chaos breaks out?
Not sure of the date exactly, but I'm still convinced you will know it is very close, within days to weeks, after gold enters permanent backwardation.

At that point the dollar will collapse, and the existing bills of credit system in the western world at least (China has plans to implement trading agreements with Asian block countries in the yuan) will disintegrate.

Germany's request to get their gold back was a front I think for the fed, they put it out there for 7 years but that timetable might get moved up.

Definitely some "major" event will happen towards the end of the current administration (2015-16) just like when Bush was exiting in 2008.
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I really want know if anybody has ANY info. Anyone can see war is coming, but how long do we really have? There's so much sh*t happening I can't tell anymore...
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What people don't understand is that subjugation of a free people is a slow process. It is kept slow intentionally. Even the Russian Revolution was 2 years long. It was not immediate as most think. It started out soft resembling reforms, even the most bitter opponents felt that it wasn't dire enough to act, but chose to "wait and see." By the time they had waited and seen 2 years they were powerless to stop it.

You are waiting and seeing right now. You're making the same mistake the Russians did. None of it seems, by itself, enough to make you go batshit. So you continue to wait, even though you know damn well what the end result will be.

You people have to act. The game is intentionaly designed by your enemies to make you want to "wait and see." They've done this over and over. They known it works, and it works every fucking time in every country on earth.
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We are the frog. The water is heating up. It is ready to boil. And still, waiting, waiting, waiting, disbelieving the incredulous things happening around us!
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What about the UK, when is she going down?
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No one in the US will believe the shit already hit the fan,
till their everyday circumstances match what they have
been conditioned by movies to believe is the shit hitting
the fan.

IE Red Dawn original, Red Dawn remake for the younger
folks.

Here is how we know it already has.

Power consolidated in executive branch.
One illegal poser accepted by the media, black people,
the military, and alphabet agencies as president.

100% corrupt judiciary.

99% flaccid Congress.

No criminal investigation for 9/11.
Elections obviously completely fraudulent.
Militarization of police forces.

While TPTB build their forces, (TSA, DHS, etc)
stock their resources and supply lines,
retrain the entire military in control of an armed
hostile civilian population,

American civilians shop with less and less money,
eat with more and more on food cards, (soup lines)
lose more and more property to foreclosure,
survielled illegally more and more closely with new
technologies (smart meters, RFID, cell phones)
and pursue circus with more and more fervor.

More and more money flies into the coffers of TPTB
from sales of auto fuel. It's $billions per day,
because $1 per gallon is theirs.

Americans are losing the war being waged against them,
and they don't even know they are in it.

What to do?
States will have no options soon but to secede,
organize armies and fight. If state leaders are not
on board with that, they'll be mobbed and replaced
with those who are, very soon.

Is that TSHTF?
Before the end of 2013, if Obama is not removed.
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What does time matter?
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What people don't understand is that subjugation of a free people is a slow process. It is kept slow intentionally. Even the Russian Revolution was 2 years long. It was not immediate as most think. It started out soft resembling reforms, even the most bitter opponents felt that it wasn't dire enough to act, but chose to "wait and see." By the time they had waited and seen 2 years they were powerless to stop it.

You are waiting and seeing right now. You're making the same mistake the Russians did. None of it seems, by itself, enough to make you go batshit. So you continue to wait, even though you know damn well what the end result will be.

You people have to act. The game is intentionaly designed by your enemies to make you want to "wait and see." They've done this over and over. They known it works, and it works every fucking time in every country on earth.

You must start the killing now while you still can.
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is that legal for you to say that in canada??
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I don't think it is really legal to say anywhere. Be very careful what you say over the internet. THEY can very easily find you.
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The state of technology opens the possibility for the first time to control the entire world from a power center. During this time, in the West ease and laziness, prosperity and luxury are paramount, while the East prepares itself, raises its peoples to the great task, provides for a new generation of weapons. After the laws of the classic military strategy, the Russians must strengthen their flanks, before they prepare to attack against Western Europe.

The southern flank is comprised by Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Greece, and Yugoslavia. The northern flank is comprised by Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. Up to the Bavarian boundary, a Russian expanse trace train is brought up.

In summer, probably in the month of July if the OIL REGIONS (Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Persian Gulf) are already in rather firm Russian hands, will occur the invasion by Russia upon (parts of) the south and north flanks: against Turkey, Greece, Yugoslavia, and Scandinavia.

By the end of July, Russian anger will quickly shift against Western Europe. The first front of Western resistance is destroyed at the beginning of August. Armies of Russian tanks invade France, around Lyon, and little later in Ulm. Russian elite units attack Alaska in middle August. In Europe, it comes to the proximity of a radioactively radiating yellow wall. Prague becomes a nuclear wasteland. Approximately around the same time the Russian tank units of the northern wedge in Westfalen become almost entirely destroyed.

The Russians are pressed in Western Europe into a defense. Out of revenge, a nuclear retaliation against all cities of the USA results. Simultaneously the USA strikes back with nuclear weapons. Far parts of the (former) Soviet Union and the last Russian rocket silos are destroyed. As a consequence of this event, it comes in the former Soviet Union a Mega-Revolution, that overthrows the previous system. In September, there is a last despairing attempt of Russian submarine-units to devastate Europe by nuclear means. In this attack, many French and German cities are changed into a fiery sea.

Returning to the start of this discourse: after the quick occupation of all military bases in Scandinavia, a second attack against Turkey follows. There and in Iran a great tank battle takes place. The Russian then strives to advance as quickly as possible through the Balkan Peninsula to the Adriatic Sea.

The strategy against Western Europe will be an attack through three powerful advance wedges. The first comes from Stettin-Berlin region into Lübeck, Hamburg, and into the Netherlands, the second out of the Saxon and Dresden regions into the Ruhr Valley. The third advance wedge will strive after out of Bohemia and Bavaria and to the Rhine River. An unimaginable mass of tanks roll by at the mountain chains of Switzerland and down after Lyon.

NATO troops are crowded into a few defense areas. Most zones belong to the red army a long time overcome and occupied. The defense areas are named: Ruhr Valley and Netherlands, Bavaria, the Alps and Switzerland, as well as the Rhone region. Moreover there will be defense areas in Italian waters and in Turkey.

The attack of the red army in Europe is broken and struck down more yet, the Russian army destroyed. The Russian losses to its army columns alone will be seven million persons; difficult to believe such a high demand of blood for a people that had fallen away in measure from dialectic materialism, for a second time.

Paris is set on fire by rebellious Frenchmen. The pope must escape out of Rome, where he after two hundred days again returns.

The Catholic faith has a decisive task in this last battle against the reactionary countries of the former Soviet Union. Bavarian and Austrian, Swiss and French troops are attacked after the annihilating battles in Lyon and Ulm to the north, against them come the allies of the Russians and Prussians in a most singular conflict.

First, near the end of this comparatively short war, comes the duel with nuclear weapons. And finally follows the total nuclear war. Its devastating effects are beyond description. South of the Danube there are atomic explosions along the border. Beyond that terrible destruction near where the River Danube flows to the lower Inn. Partially into the Oberbayer-Salzburg Alps troops come over from Austria and Yugoslavia. In Ulm, there is a gigantic boiler battle against the enemies that have their southern wedge along the Danube line to Switzerland and France.

The greatest danger for the region, that is bounded by the cities Mindelheim and Altötting, Pfaffenhofen and Weilheim, and also Mittlebayern, is recurring destruction in the form of terrorism, looting, arson, murder, and anarchy. Huge metropolises become robbers of the farmer! Armed volumes of people roam through the country, fanatics, murderers, Psychopaths, a Mob. It is as never before, except perhaps in the Thirty Years War, existence is frightening. And all this accompanied by the poison cloud that in the end extinguishes one-third of all humanity!
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No rain. Much pain. This summer.
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Yes, I agree. Drought doom. I had no corn last year. It can't happen again.
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The OP asks THE question on most of our minds because anyone with discernment knows that it's just a matter of when, not if, the SHTF.

Sadly, I'm starting to think we have a lot longer to go before the progressively bad gets better.

As a believer in the Word of God(YHVH), Yeshua, I've begun to see that perhaps the time of Jacob's trouble may just be beginning. And if it's true that God declares the end from the beginning, than we'll have a period of 20 years before Yeshua returns, give or take.

It is my hope that we've already long since entered that 20 year period(perhaps 9/11 or the Israeli/Palestine land agreements from the 90's?). There does seem to be signs, however, that this spring(3/22) might very well kick off the time of Jacob's trouble, spoken of by the prophets and Yeshua Himself.
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April 15th - 30 2013 ‘ Dead Zone’ dates for the US economy

Probably 420 ... April 20th, 2013

An ominous contemporary warning

Something happened this week that brings back haunting memories of the 2001 put options of airline stocks, except this “bet” is against the entire U.S. economy. This week, an anonymous trader bought 100,000 put options on the ETF, which is an acronym for an exchange-traded fund. One commonly traded ETF is XLF, which, in the most unscientific and basic terms, is a group of funds that is like a barometer for the stock market.

Now, such trades involving ETF-XLF are common, except when the put options (bets that the value of an asset is going to go down) are so large and so significant that they scream of insider knowledge with big flashing lights and arrows. This is one of those. In this case, it is a bet against the stock market, although this is admittedly a rather oversimplified explanation – but you get the idea.

According to professionals who watch this activity for a living, normal single trades involve maybe 500 contracts at most. That’s why certain professionals took notice of an order this week of 100,000 put options, or 200 times the high trade volume of 500. It become even more curious when one considers that the trader is “betting” that the market will take a significant hit by the end of April. (The put options are dated for April 20 and 25, 2013, right around Hitler’s birthday, for those of you who follow things like that.)

Read more at [link to investmentwatchblog.com]
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The state of technology opens the possibility for the first time to control the entire world from a power center. During this time, in the West ease and laziness, prosperity and luxury are paramount, while the East prepares itself, raises its peoples to the great task, provides for a new generation of weapons. After the laws of the classic military strategy, the Russians must strengthen their flanks, before they prepare to attack against Western Europe.

The southern flank is comprised by Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Greece, and Yugoslavia. The northern flank is comprised by Finland, Sweden, Norway, and Denmark. Up to the Bavarian boundary, a Russian expanse trace train is brought up.

In summer, probably in the month of July if the OIL REGIONS (Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Persian Gulf) are already in rather firm Russian hands, will occur the invasion by Russia upon (parts of) the south and north flanks: against Turkey, Greece, Yugoslavia, and Scandinavia.

By the end of July, Russian anger will quickly shift against Western Europe. The first front of Western resistance is destroyed at the beginning of August. Armies of Russian tanks invade France, around Lyon, and little later in Ulm. Russian elite units attack Alaska in middle August. In Europe, it comes to the proximity of a radioactively radiating yellow wall. Prague becomes a nuclear wasteland. Approximately around the same time the Russian tank units of the northern wedge in Westfalen become almost entirely destroyed.

The Russians are pressed in Western Europe into a defense. Out of revenge, a nuclear retaliation against all cities of the USA results. Simultaneously the USA strikes back with nuclear weapons. Far parts of the (former) Soviet Union and the last Russian rocket silos are destroyed. As a consequence of this event, it comes in the former Soviet Union a Mega-Revolution, that overthrows the previous system. In September, there is a last despairing attempt of Russian submarine-units to devastate Europe by nuclear means. In this attack, many French and German cities are changed into a fiery sea.

Returning to the start of this discourse: after the quick occupation of all military bases in Scandinavia, a second attack against Turkey follows. There and in Iran a great tank battle takes place. The Russian then strives to advance as quickly as possible through the Balkan Peninsula to the Adriatic Sea.

The strategy against Western Europe will be an attack through three powerful advance wedges. The first comes from Stettin-Berlin region into Lübeck, Hamburg, and into the Netherlands, the second out of the Saxon and Dresden regions into the Ruhr Valley. The third advance wedge will strive after out of Bohemia and Bavaria and to the Rhine River. An unimaginable mass of tanks roll by at the mountain chains of Switzerland and down after Lyon.

NATO troops are crowded into a few defense areas. Most zones belong to the red army a long time overcome and occupied. The defense areas are named: Ruhr Valley and Netherlands, Bavaria, the Alps and Switzerland, as well as the Rhone region. Moreover there will be defense areas in Italian waters and in Turkey.

The attack of the red army in Europe is broken and struck down more yet, the Russian army destroyed. The Russian losses to its army columns alone will be seven million persons; difficult to believe such a high demand of blood for a people that had fallen away in measure from dialectic materialism, for a second time.

Paris is set on fire by rebellious Frenchmen. The pope must escape out of Rome, where he after two hundred days again returns.

The Catholic faith has a decisive task in this last battle against the reactionary countries of the former Soviet Union. Bavarian and Austrian, Swiss and French troops are attacked after the annihilating battles in Lyon and Ulm to the north, against them come the allies of the Russians and Prussians in a most singular conflict.

First, near the end of this comparatively short war, comes the duel with nuclear weapons. And finally follows the total nuclear war. Its devastating effects are beyond description. South of the Danube there are atomic explosions along the border. Beyond that terrible destruction near where the River Danube flows to the lower Inn. Partially into the Oberbayer-Salzburg Alps troops come over from Austria and Yugoslavia. In Ulm, there is a gigantic boiler battle against the enemies that have their southern wedge along the Danube line to Switzerland and France.

The greatest danger for the region, that is bounded by the cities Mindelheim and Altötting, Pfaffenhofen and Weilheim, and also Mittlebayern, is recurring destruction in the form of terrorism, looting, arson, murder, and anarchy. Huge metropolises become robbers of the farmer! Armed volumes of people roam through the country, fanatics, murderers, Psychopaths, a Mob. It is as never before, except perhaps in the Thirty Years War, existence is frightening. And all this accompanied by the poison cloud that in the end extinguishes one-third of all humanity!
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Doom is here and all around us, tightening like a noose around ours necks. Ask the people in Staten Island, or the people in the middle east. Or China and Japan. The Syrians.

There is war doom, and economic doom, and environmental doom, and asteroid doom. There is man-made doom and natural doom.

The shit has already hit the proverbial fan my friend, and we're just now beginning to feel the effects of the splatter.

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What people don't understand is that subjugation of a free people is a slow process. It is kept slow intentionally. Even the Russian Revolution was 2 years long. It was not immediate as most think. It started out soft resembling reforms, even the most bitter opponents felt that it wasn't dire enough to act, but chose to "wait and see." By the time they had waited and seen 2 years they were powerless to stop it.

You are waiting and seeing right now. You're making the same mistake the Russians did. None of it seems, by itself, enough to make you go batshit. So you continue to wait, even though you know damn well what the end result will be.

You people have to act. The game is intentionaly designed by your enemies to make you want to "wait and see." They've done this over and over. They known it works, and it works every fucking time in every country on earth.

You must start the killing now while you still can.
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is that legal for you to say that in canada??
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I don't think it is really legal to say anywhere. Be very careful what you say over the internet. THEY can very easily find you.
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Look up the laws regarding sedition kat. It is legal to advocate sedition in Canada. What is not legal is to plan or carry out an act of sedition with 2 or more persons.
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Also Obama is going to Israel sometime the very end of March so he could be there when TSHTF, just in time to sign the 'peace treaty' we're all waiting for which signals the tribulation - but we believers will be raptured when TSHTF so we won't be here for the signing.
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And when the rapture doesn't come what will you do?
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What people don't understand is that subjugation of a free people is a slow process. It is kept slow intentionally. Even the Russian Revolution was 2 years long. It was not immediate as most think. It started out soft resembling reforms, even the most bitter opponents felt that it wasn't dire enough to act, but chose to "wait and see." By the time they had waited and seen 2 years they were powerless to stop it.

You are waiting and seeing right now. You're making the same mistake the Russians did. None of it seems, by itself, enough to make you go batshit. So you continue to wait, even though you know damn well what the end result will be.

You people have to act. The game is intentionaly designed by your enemies to make you want to "wait and see." They've done this over and over. They known it works, and it works every fucking time in every country on earth.
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Well said!
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What people don't understand is that subjugation of a free people is a slow process. It is kept slow intentionally. Even the Russian Revolution was 2 years long. It was not immediate as most think. It started out soft resembling reforms, even the most bitter opponents felt that it wasn't dire enough to act, but chose to "wait and see." By the time they had waited and seen 2 years they were powerless to stop it.

You are waiting and seeing right now. You're making the same mistake the Russians did. None of it seems, by itself, enough to make you go batshit. So you continue to wait, even though you know damn well what the end result will be.

You people have to act. The game is intentionaly designed by your enemies to make you want to "wait and see." They've done this over and over. They known it works, and it works every fucking time in every country on earth.
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Good post!
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Also Obama is going to Israel sometime the very end of March so he could be there when TSHTF, just in time to sign the 'peace treaty' we're all waiting for which signals the tribulation - but we believers will be raptured when TSHTF so we won't be here for the signing.
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And when the rapture doesn't come what will you do?
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Look it up...there is no "signing" - only a confirmation!

I used to be sold on the pre-trib position...not so much anymore! Now, "pre-wrath"! Which is to say, we're going to go through some hard times!
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The OP asks THE question on most of our minds because anyone with discernment knows that it's just a matter of when, not if, the SHTF.

Sadly, I'm starting to think we have a lot longer to go before the progressively bad gets better.

As a believer in the Word of God(YHVH), Yeshua, I've begun to see that perhaps the time of Jacob's trouble may just be beginning. And if it's true that God declares the end from the beginning, than we'll have a period of 20 years before Yeshua returns, give or take.

It is my hope that we've already long since entered that 20 year period(perhaps 9/11 or the Israeli/Palestine land agreements from the 90's?). There does seem to be signs, however, that this spring(3/22) might very well kick off the time of Jacob's trouble, spoken of by the prophets and Yeshua Himself.
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Question........What is your view on tithing. I had it shoved down my throat for 20 years before I realized it was nothing more than a big fundraiser for the church. Which I am ok with. But what makes me sick is the promises of bigger houses and rainbows and butterflies if you give.
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April 15th - 30 2013 ‘ Dead Zone’ dates for the US economy

Probably 420 ... April 20th, 2013

An ominous contemporary warning

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Max Keiser has been predicting by the end of April there will be a signficant correction to the markets.
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The OP asks THE question on most of our minds because anyone with discernment knows that it's just a matter of when, not if, the SHTF.

Sadly, I'm starting to think we have a lot longer to go before the progressively bad gets better.

As a believer in the Word of God(YHVH), Yeshua, I've begun to see that perhaps the time of Jacob's trouble may just be beginning. And if it's true that God declares the end from the beginning, than we'll have a period of 20 years before Yeshua returns, give or take.

It is my hope that we've already long since entered that 20 year period(perhaps 9/11 or the Israeli/Palestine land agreements from the 90's?). There does seem to be signs, however, that this spring(3/22) might very well kick off the time of Jacob's trouble, spoken of by the prophets and Yeshua Himself.
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Question........What is your view on tithing. I had it shoved down my throat for 20 years before I realized it was nothing more than a big fundraiser for the church. Which I am ok with. But what makes me sick is the promises of bigger houses and rainbows and butterflies if you give.
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Sounds like you might be going to the wrong church! But know also, your responsibility to to give your tithes and offerings and God will honor your heart in that matter! If your pastor and leaders are abusing those tithes and offerings...they will answer for it!

The "tithes" AND "offerings" are demanded!
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Coming soon: Inside 2013.

It won't last a whole year. There will be major destruction.

Then a peace treaty. Most freedoms will be gladly given up for security.
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This is a very astute question....I don't think the assassination in Austria was even a blip on the teletype at the time.................I think it will be this, and it will be that.....and slowly, before you know it.... This and That and more of This and That....until you become so use to this and that, that when you know it's not just this and that, then you will know...............it's here......
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Profound
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Second that...
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Re: Does anybody have an idea how long we (the USA) have before TSHTF and chaos breaks out?
The OP asks THE question on most of our minds because anyone with discernment knows that it's just a matter of when, not if, the SHTF.

Sadly, I'm starting to think we have a lot longer to go before the progressively bad gets better.

As a believer in the Word of God(YHVH), Yeshua, I've begun to see that perhaps the time of Jacob's trouble may just be beginning. And if it's true that God declares the end from the beginning, than we'll have a period of 20 years before Yeshua returns, give or take.

It is my hope that we've already long since entered that 20 year period(perhaps 9/11 or the Israeli/Palestine land agreements from the 90's?). There does seem to be signs, however, that this spring(3/22) might very well kick off the time of Jacob's trouble, spoken of by the prophets and Yeshua Himself.
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Question........What is your view on tithing. I had it shoved down my throat for 20 years before I realized it was nothing more than a big fundraiser for the church. Which I am ok with. But what makes me sick is the promises of bigger houses and rainbows and butterflies if you give.
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Sounds like you might be going to the wrong church! But know also, your responsibility to to give your tithes and offerings and God will honor your heart in that matter! If your pastor and leaders are abusing those tithes and offerings...they will answer for it!




The "tithes" AND "offerings" are demanded!
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Demanded....? If all that was required to receive Gods favor was to give him something as an offering , Jesus could have stayed in Heaven. Are we living under Levitical Law ?
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What people don't understand is that subjugation of a free people is a slow process. It is kept slow intentionally. Even the Russian Revolution was 2 years long. It was not immediate as most think. It started out soft resembling reforms, even the most bitter opponents felt that it wasn't dire enough to act, but chose to "wait and see." By the time they had waited and seen 2 years they were powerless to stop it.

You are waiting and seeing right now. You're making the same mistake the Russians did. None of it seems, by itself, enough to make you go batshit. So you continue to wait, even though you know damn well what the end result will be.

You people have to act. The game is intentionaly designed by your enemies to make you want to "wait and see." They've done this over and over. They known it works, and it works every fucking time in every country on earth.
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It's like putting a lobster n a pan of water then turning the heat on, slowly boiling, but it doesn't register, until it is too late.
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Have you seen this?

[link to www.4thmedia.org]

"A grim Federal Security Forces (FSB) “urgent action” memorandum prepared for President Putin is warning thatUnited States President Barack Obama has ordered at least 800 highly trained “death squad” units to disperse throughout his country in preparation for what Russian intelligence analysts are predicting to be a series of high-profile killings of dissident Americans set to begin as soon as February 22nd.

According to this memo, Obama was emboldened to implement this murderous plan against his own citizens after this past weeks US Federal Court ruling granted his regime the right to kill, without trial or charges, any American he so chooses, and keep the reason(s) for doing so secret...."

More at site
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See... I was thinking that the Christopher Dorner and the crazy Alabama hostage guy ,and also that amazing sniper guy - all of their deaths could be exactly what you are talking about....

conspiracies to kill those snipers that might actually be a threat to obama when he tries to take guns, martial law, etc.

thats why these crazy fantastical stories are on the news, so that they may justify killing these people
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Yep, could be test runs...As the article states feb 22 is the unleash date.

I'm guessing there will be a media blackout if it happens
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I think it's already started.
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bumpFinally a correct answer.Thank you.
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While TPTB want all hell to break loose and TSHTF, I have to say that I believe they will be greatly disappointed. There is good in this world, it is everywhere, and there will be peace. The evil will wash away with the rain, and we will witness a new day where we can breathe the free air once again.


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So, we're ok, right?
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No rain. Much pain. This summer.
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This seems to be a likely scenario, a slow moving natural disaster. No rain, food prices, and a crashing dollar, Uncle Sam has a solution.

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