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People on Blood Thinners

 
CrazyMama73 (OP)

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02/11/2013 07:53 PM

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OP, I looked at the link you provided and found it quite interesting. Sure wouldn't hurt to have that in any first-aid kit. Their ad says it stops even arterial bleeding.

Very interesting, thank you.


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I thought it would be something useful, not just for people on blood thinners, but that is what got me searching.
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02/11/2013 07:58 PM

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If he was on Coumadin, give a shot of Vitamin K, if he was on Heparin, protamine sulfate...why didn't he have the antidote to the blood thinner readily available? You're supposed to have them for just such an event.

gonzo2
 Quoting: Just Some Dude


As a former nurse I can only laugh.

No, or only a very few select laypersons has these antidotes on hand, or the expertise to use them.. . in an emergency no less.


It is a known danger of anticoagulation.

My father died after a closed bump not even to his head, that resulted in an impressive bleed in hours.

nothing could stop it, surgery was done and he survived with deficits, died a few weeks later.

He had been on coumadin for a very long time at that point, maybe 2 decades.

We always worried.

perhaps he lived longer with it than without, but I would not take anticoagulants myself.

I wish there was a reliable, universally usable way to quickly reverse its effects.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28167778


This is my fear, when we are at the cottage it is no mans land and him getting banged up from a fall could be fatal with internal bleeding. I may not be able to help him With that, other than boat across a lake and drive like a mad woman to the hospital.
However for a superficial cut, this stuff I have mentioned would be useful.

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02/13/2013 07:57 PM
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If he was on Coumadin, give a shot of Vitamin K, if he was on Heparin, protamine sulfate...why didn't he have the antidote to the blood thinner readily available? You're supposed to have them for just such an event.

gonzo2
 Quoting: Just Some Dude


As a former nurse I can only laugh.

No, or only a very few select laypersons has these antidotes on hand, or the expertise to use them.. . in an emergency no less.


It is a known danger of anticoagulation.

My father died after a closed bump not even to his head, that resulted in an impressive bleed in hours.

nothing could stop it, surgery was done and he survived with deficits, died a few weeks later.

He had been on coumadin for a very long time at that point, maybe 2 decades.

We always worried.

perhaps he lived longer with it than without, but I would not take anticoagulants myself.

I wish there was a reliable, universally usable way to quickly reverse its effects.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28167778


Well, retired/ex-nurse, newly graduating one here and what we're learning in class and educating patients on in the clinical setting is avoidance first, calling for help (when help is close), and self-administration of antidotes in situations such as this (user far from help)and teaching family members the use of emergency equipment/fluids they can keep with them...by no means am I suggesting that help shouldn't be sought immediately for fresh frozen plasma, prothrombin concentrates, and blood transfusions as warranted but time is everything in the reversal process, the quicker it is implemented, the better the outcomes. In an external wound described by the OP, mechanical obstruction of flow combined with immediate reversal agents would be helpful, the situation of internal hemorrhage as you described is a far trickier monster as you're well aware.

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02/13/2013 07:59 PM
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Wean off all drugs, if you can. In the future, if this happens, spider webs can stop the bleeding, or hemo~stats if you hit an artery. Good Luck, and God Bless.
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How do spider webs stop bleeding?
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02/13/2013 08:16 PM
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Most places you can buy "GELFOAM" over the counter at the pharmacy. IT's a foam made up of coagulants. You put it on the wound and the bleeding stops as it melts into the blood. This stuff supplies what the thinner stops the body from producing. But it does it on a "spot" not systemic basis.

Also, injections of Vitamin K will work but take longer.

As his doc if you need an RX for coagulants and which one he recommends using in an emergency. BTW: your relative on thinners should have a med-alert bracelet on so in an emergency paramedics would know to administer certain drugs vs others.
CrazyMama73 (OP)

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02/14/2013 10:02 AM

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Most places you can buy "GELFOAM" over the counter at the pharmacy. IT's a foam made up of coagulants. You put it on the wound and the bleeding stops as it melts into the blood. This stuff supplies what the thinner stops the body from producing. But it does it on a "spot" not systemic basis.

Also, injections of Vitamin K will work but take longer.

As his doc if you need an RX for coagulants and which one he recommends using in an emergency. BTW: your relative on thinners should have a med-alert bracelet on so in an emergency paramedics would know to administer certain drugs vs others.
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He won't wear the bracelet. I will look up GELFOAM, I haven't heard of it before. Thank you!
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02/14/2013 10:06 AM
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Yeah, a friend of mine takes a bottle of aspirin a day and tons of vitamin C to prevent stomach bleeding, but he has to be careful about cuts...
 Quoting: BRIEF


A bottle of aspirin would kill your friend.
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Wean off all drugs, if you can. In the future, if this happens, spider webs can stop the bleeding, or hemo~stats if you hit an artery. Good Luck, and God Bless.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34143127


Someone is on blood thinners for a reason. Taking them off subjects them to stroke or heart attack from blood clots because their heart doesn't work right, which is why they're on the blood thinners.
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02/14/2013 10:11 AM
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Well when shtf, unless you get yourself chipped, there won't be any Coumadin or any other prescription meds for that matter, so blood should clot just fine!
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Yeah, and kill those whose heart doesn't work the way it should.
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02/14/2013 10:12 AM
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Justsomedude - Is there an antidote to Pradaxa? A relative is on that.
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A cardiologist once told me that Pradaxa won't stop blood from clotting.
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02/14/2013 10:15 AM
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Yeah, a friend of mine takes a bottle of aspirin a day and tons of vitamin C to prevent stomach bleeding, but he has to be careful about cuts...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Does not compute.
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02/14/2013 10:16 AM
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next time try some cayenne pepper on the cut, it acctually stops the bleeding. Try it yourself with a small knife/paper cut. Im sure it wont work on wounds were blood is coming out like a water gun
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02/14/2013 10:16 AM
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what's the deal with arms and hands being numb or still asleep when I wake up
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02/14/2013 10:17 AM
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Yeah, a friend of mine takes a bottle of aspirin a day and tons of vitamin C to prevent stomach bleeding, but he has to be careful about cuts...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Um ... an entire bottle? Is it a itty bitty tiny bottle with only two pills in it?
 Quoting: amachiavellian


No, but he probably takes 20-40 everyday...
 Quoting: BRIEF


He must have a death wish. Also, I've never heard of Vit C being easy on the stomach, much less being able to protect it.
CrazyMama73 (OP)

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02/14/2013 10:18 AM

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what's the deal with arms and hands being numb or still asleep when I wake up
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Bad circulation from a number of possibilities.
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02/14/2013 10:20 AM
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All bleeding stops eventually.

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02/14/2013 10:21 AM
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survival of the fittest! let em bleed out so he cant contaminate the gene pool!
CrazyMama73 (OP)

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02/14/2013 10:22 AM

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All bleeding stops eventually.

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Yeah when you bleed out... the cut my step father had would NOT stop bleeding. It was almost 2 hours from the time we tried to stop the bleeding while at the cottage, to getting to the hospital and the bleeding was not slowing down.
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02/14/2013 10:23 AM

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survival of the fittest! let em bleed out so he cant contaminate the gene pool!
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Psh, his gene pool passing days are long gone.
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I always wash my cuts right away and hold the skin together for about 10 minutes while the cut area is still wet them I dab the area dry and put a band aid on it right away and it seems to seal itself.
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If the cut isn't bad, wash it thoroughly and then apply Krazy Glue to seal it. The pain of the cut will stop almost instantly, just like it never happened. If it's much more than skin deep, don't do this.



I was supposed to be taking coumadin or the one on tv that the lawyers are suing about, but I don't. I take about 4 Nattokinase capsules a day. Nattokinase is like a blood conditioner so that blood cells don't clump together.
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Anyone here take Effient? That's what I was put on. I have bad ticker for sure.
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Justsomedude - Is there an antidote to Pradaxa? A relative is on that.
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A cardiologist once told me that Pradaxa won't stop blood from clotting.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24392638




Prodaxa, people lied and people died. That's what the lawsuits are about. It's about $270 a month for Prodaxa and I couldn't even afford the copay.
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02/14/2013 10:34 AM
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YES....GELFOAM!!!! OP and former nurse, my Dad on blood thinners died 2 days after bumping his head. He was taking either warfarin or coumidin, both are poison. Thanks for the suggestion of first aid for them. People: get your family off this stuff! Doctors do not fully realize what seniors may already do to thin their blood naturally, like alcohol and greens. Blood tests may only be checked bi-annually, so any weight loss or cold season temp change or diet change make blood even thinner. verysad

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I have been a bit of a bleeder my whole life. Super/Krazy glue has saved my life several times after major trauma and perhaps a couple after minor trauma. I always keep at least a couple tubes in every vehicle and with all of my emergency gear. Styptic pencils/bars are always with me as well.

I always wash my cuts right away and hold the skin together for about 10 minutes while the cut area is still wet them I dab the area dry and put a band aid on it right away and it seems to seal itself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15292827



If the cut isn't bad, wash it thoroughly and then apply Krazy Glue to seal it. The pain of the cut will stop almost instantly, just like it never happened. If it's much more than skin deep, don't do this.



I was supposed to be taking coumadin or the one on tv that the lawyers are suing about, but I don't. I take about 4 Nattokinase capsules a day. Nattokinase is like a blood conditioner so that blood cells don't clump together.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14032315
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had some family members on that stuff;
marcumar for my mum as she had a thrombosis - she took it nearly a year, had to inject for some time as well, but the bloodcloth did not dissolve.
so the doc decided to just monitor it, get her off the meds and made her wear a DVT stocking all the time.
for dental surgeries she had to stop taking it 1 day before and wait another day afterwards.

granny got heparin-injections while at hospital; it was quite not funny when once the doc did not connect something at her venous access properly and she lost lots of blood.

natural remedies to stop bleeding would be really good to know, as there are hemophiliacs out there as well!

for those needing blood thinning meds, i would try to switch to natural remedies to not be depending on tablets.
marcumar´s main ingredient is cumin, so if you can tolerate taking cumin naturally, you can stock up on this maybe.

take a look at your nutrition and other meds as well, as they interact and sometimes changing medicamentation will make other meds not nescessary any more!
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02/14/2013 10:43 AM

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YES....GELFOAM!!!! OP and former nurse, my Dad on blood thinners died 2 days after bumping his head. He was taking either warfarin or coumidin, both are poison. Thanks for the suggestion of first aid for them. People: get your family off this stuff! Doctors do not fully realize what seniors may already do to thin their blood naturally, like alcohol and greens. Blood tests may only be checked bi-annually, so any weight loss or cold season temp change or diet change make blood even thinner. verysad
 Quoting: karinza


Sorry about your loss. This is exactly what has freaked me out. I have had nightmares of him going into cardiac arrest again and me having to perform CPR, only causing internal bleeding because of how easy he bruises/bleeds from the blood thinners. I am glad to see these replies. I was starting to think I was paranoid.
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coumodine and warfarin are rat poison. they make rats bleed internally to death. Sounds like a comspiracy to me.
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Warfarin is the trade name of coumadin, and yes, it's made of rat poison, which is why it's so carefully monitored. It's been around for 60 years so I'd say it's safe for humans when carefully monitored. I've been on it for 10 years. If I cut myself, I don't bleed much so my doseage is perfect for me. People who know nothing about coumadin should not make accusations or predictions.
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Price is ridiculous !

How much stock do you have in the company ?

Nice 'story' .
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Wean off all drugs, if you can. In the future, if this happens, spider webs can stop the bleeding, or hemo~stats if you hit an artery. Good Luck, and God Bless.
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He doesn't listen to me very well. He had three heart attacks, two angioplasties done a few years back. His nutritionist is trying to wean him off his meds, but his doctor is a different story. He is a grown man..
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Oh! I know this one!

Change diet. Salmon, sardines, cooked cabbage, lettuce, tomato, olive oil, balsamic vinegar.

I will link to some good sites for food planning below. Best of luck to your father. He can get much better with diet change.

[link to www.whfoods.com]

[link to nutritiondata.self.com]
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AC 30394812 ..... You either have VERY poor circulation, OR your shutting off the blood supply by tight clothing, sleeping on the artery OR, both !

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