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America... Land of the Free.
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This law applies to cell phones purchased at a steep discount provided you require a high-end telephone with everything except a toilet paper dispenser. If you purchase your phone at cost, you are free to use whatever carrier you desire however, you do not enjoy the same freedom.

Joys of Unlocked Cell Phones

Buying new, unlocked phones or unlocking your existing phone is perfectly legal in the U.S., although it's not as common as it is in other parts of the world, most notably Western Europe. There, countries such as Belgium don't even allow the sale of locked phones.

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02/11/2013 08:57 PM
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Maybe these people that unlock their phones will end up in jail with the folks from Massachusetts that drove their cars after 4pm right before a blizzard.......would there be an actual trial?...or are you just thrown in jail by the seat of your pants?....what is this country coming to?
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"Hitler will have no war (does not want war), but we will force it on him, not this year, but soon." - Emil Ludwig Cohn in Les Annales, June, 1934 (also quoted in his book "The New Holy Alliance").

"We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany." - David A. Brown, National Chairman, United Jewish Campaign, 1934 (quoted in "I Testify Against The Jews" by Robert Edward Edmondson, page 188 and "The Jewish War of Survival" by Arnold Leese, page 52).

"We want to bring about a deep hatred for the Germans, for German soldiers, sailors, and airmen. We must hate until we win." - Lord Beaverbrook, quoted in Niemals! by Heinrich Goitsch.

"There is only one power which really counts. The power of political pressure. We Jews are the most powerful people on earth, because we have this power, and we know how to apply it." - Vladimir Jabotinsky, Jewish Daily Bulletin, July 27, 1935.

"Before the end of the year, an economic bloc of England, Russia, France and the U.S.A will be formed to bring the German and Italian economic systems to their knees." - Paul Dreyfus, "La Vie de Tanger" May 15, 1938.

On the 3rd of June, 1938, the American Hebrew boasted that they had Jews in the foremost positions of influence in Britain, Russia and France, and that these "three sons of Israel will be sending the Nazi dictator to hell." - Joseph Trimble, the American Hebrew.

"Germany is our public enemy number one. It is our object to declare war without mercy against her. One may be sure of this: We will lead that war!" - Bernard Lecache, the president of the "International League Against Racism and Anti-Semitism," in its newspaper "Droit de Vivre" (Right to Life), 9 November, 1938.

"The war now proposed is for the purpose of establishing Jewish hegemony throughout the world." - Brigadier General George Van Horn Mosely, The New York Tribune, March 29, 1939
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02/11/2013 08:59 PM
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...


That link is pure awesome.

Back on track ...

If I understood the PDFs (posted earlier) correctly, then part of this "law" requires the provider to relinquish their 'lock' at the end of the contract. Do I have that right?

I'd consider that an upside. That's not the case with my provider here. I have a perfectly good smart phone that I no longer use. I can only sell it to someone wanting to use the same provider. The phone is contract free. I own it. I paid for it. It should be as easy as going to your local store to unlock it. Actually, no, fuck that - it should be done by the provider AUTOMATICALLY at the conclusion of the contract.

I can understand it from the standpoint that you really aren't 'paying' for the phone when you sign the three year contract. You sign that contract so you can have that new shiny bobble that does lots and lots of things plus links to cat pics for $175 vs. $800 - you shouldn't be able to 'steal' it and hook into another provider.

Still ... the penalties ... these have to be inflated. $500K and/or 5yrs in Jail. Really? Maybe a more appropriate penalty would be being 'banned from owning/using/handling cellular devices' ... lmao ...

I wonder is these same people thought about the boulevard they've just opened up in the consumer cell phone market for the manufacturers?
 Quoting: amachiavellian


Sorry there is no positive to this..

1. Most people can NOT afford or even willing to buy a $500 phone (iPhone 5 runs up to almost $1000)
2. In a majority of cases carriers will NOT unlock THEIR phone, at least that is the way is has been. (in their mind if your purchased it from them and has their logo it's THEIRS)
 Quoting: Veresanctus


Well there sort of is...

If the manufacturers can find a way to get their products to the marketplace without having to rely on service provider contracts and restrictions ... maybe those $800 phones might become $400 phones AND maybe the providers would have to rally to get the business.

Big change from "We've got the phone you want - here are our terms."
 Quoting: amachiavellian


Well sounds good but just look at the past, it's unlikely the carriers will let THAT be legal.
 Quoting: Veresanctus


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America... Land of the Free.
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The internet the home of the lunatics afro peace
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Maybe these people that unlock their phones will end up in jail with the folks from Massachusetts that drove their cars after 4pm right before a blizzard.......would there be an actual trial?...or are you just thrown in jail by the seat of your pants?....what is this country coming to?
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whatever
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02/11/2013 09:03 PM
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Must be a hoax.

Since when does the Librarian of Congress get to make decrees that have the force of law?
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go back to sleep tard
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02/11/2013 09:16 PM
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This is what happens when you allow Jews to control a country. The country becomes fascist.

I'm not too positive about the mid to long-term future of the USA.
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Check it out here. You have to see it to believe it:
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AdHocBOHICA

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02/11/2013 09:18 PM
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And "WHO" will enforce this?
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02/11/2013 09:27 PM
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no one in their right mind would buy into a "phone" like that.
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02/11/2013 09:31 PM
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Keep forcing these ridiculous laws on us that only serve to line the pockets of corrupt politicians because the masses need reasons to wake up.
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02/11/2013 09:36 PM
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And "WHO" will enforce this?
 Quoting: AdHocBOHICA


Yep. And how ...

Simple law ... nothing to it ... yet ......
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And "WHO" will enforce this?
 Quoting: AdHocBOHICA


Yep. And how ...

Simple law ... nothing to it ... yet ......
 Quoting: amachiavellian


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^How to Use a [BUSTED] Cell Phone to Meet 5 Basic Survival Needs
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The circuit board spear tips FTW.

 Quoting: IRQ_1


That link is pure awesome.

Back on track ...

If I understood the PDFs (posted earlier) correctly, then part of this "law" requires the provider to relinquish their 'lock' at the end of the contract. Do I have that right?

I'd consider that an upside. That's not the case with my provider here. I have a perfectly good smart phone that I no longer use. I can only sell it to someone wanting to use the same provider. The phone is contract free. I own it. I paid for it. It should be as easy as going to your local store to unlock it. Actually, no, fuck that - it should be done by the provider AUTOMATICALLY at the conclusion of the contract.

I can understand it from the standpoint that you really aren't 'paying' for the phone when you sign the three year contract. You sign that contract so you can have that new shiny bobble that does lots and lots of things plus links to cat pics for $175 vs. $800 - you shouldn't be able to 'steal' it and hook into another provider.

Still ... the penalties ... these have to be inflated. $500K and/or 5yrs in Jail. Really? Maybe a more appropriate penalty would be being 'banned from owning/using/handling cellular devices' ... lmao ...

I wonder is these same people thought about the boulevard they've just opened up in the consumer cell phone market for the manufacturers?
 Quoting: amachiavellian


America... Land of the Free.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34032674


This law applies to cell phones purchased at a steep discount provided you require a high-end telephone with everything except a toilet paper dispenser. If you purchase your phone at cost, you are free to use whatever carrier you desire however, you do not enjoy the same freedom.

Joys of Unlocked Cell Phones

Buying new, unlocked phones or unlocking your existing phone is perfectly legal in the U.S., although it's not as common as it is in other parts of the world, most notably Western Europe. There, countries such as Belgium don't even allow the sale of locked phones.

[link to www.pcworld.com (secure)]
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


Back on track indeed.

My issue with this is the lack of legal support for people that have ended their contract and now own their phone. Are they breaking DMCA provisions by "jailbreaking" their own property? Has anyone dug deep enough into their contract to assure that your phone is legally "yours" at the end of the agreement? It should be common sense that once your car "cellphone" is paid off you can take it anywhere to be driven outside of the private toll roads "carrier" your were limited to yet since we're dealing with a Congress that keeps it loyalties to carriers with plenty of profit to share it may not be that simple.
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02/11/2013 10:21 PM
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This is what happens when you allow Jews to control a country. The country becomes fascist.

I'm not too positive about the mid to long-term future of the USA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34032674


I blame us for not exterminating the Belgians when we had the chance.
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Your own country is exterminating you.
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02/11/2013 10:40 PM
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This "law" has been gaining a lot of attention. It's not something enforceable. I understand why people especially on GLP are up in arms about it. I've read into it a bit more then most. It's designed to allow the law to go after those who are trafficking in prepaid cell phones. It's not designed to chase down those who want to unlock their iPhone in some sort of nanny state crackdown. But then again it that has already been "illegal" for some time to traffic in prepaid cellphones so why pass redundant legislation... Yet another goddamn law. Just make people buy their phone at the real price. Sheesh.
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The new way to setup your boss (because he's generally an asshole):

1. Boss steps out of his office, leaves smartphone on the desk

2. With laptop in hand, hook up his smartphone and use the software to unlock it

3 Quietly make your way back to your office and place a phone call to the new branch of the police department "smartphone snitches"

4 Report his ass and laugh as the new Gestapo squad hauls him out for his $500k fine + 5 years in jail

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Who's gonna test this idea out?

lol
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02/11/2013 11:17 PM

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This is what happens when you allow Jews to control a country. The country becomes fascist.

I'm not too positive about the mid to long-term future of the USA.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34032674


Unfortunately I agree!
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02/11/2013 11:24 PM
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Time for a company to come up with a new biz model.

Selling unlocked phones at the git go.

Multiple providers ramped up sprung to accommodate.

If those already in the saddle who put this thing through CorporaGov want some of it they'll have to pony up and offer services to those with unlocked phones.

They duck to their right, you hit 'em with a left hook.

Duh.
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02/11/2013 11:28 PM
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Chill n have an Android... neener
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02/11/2013 11:29 PM
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This isn't really bad news. It's just there to protect the greedy corporations.

You CAN unlock the phone AFTER your contract is up. They just don't want people buying subsidized phones and bailing out on the contract.
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What do you mean "unlock"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33709352


Here most cell phones are "locked" to a certain service provider. So even after your contract is over, you can't move your phone and service to an alternate provider.

There are two ways around this:

a) hack your own phone or;

b) buy your phone from the actual manufacturer at full price and I think Apple are the only folks that sell their phones to the general public.
 Quoting: amachiavellian


I've had an unlocked Nokia for years now. Now when it dies, I may just try to get it fixed. I've noticed Nokia doesn't even sell unlocked phones anymore.
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^How to Use a [BUSTED] Cell Phone to Meet 5 Basic Survival Needs
 Quoting: pool


The circuit board spear tips FTW.

 Quoting: IRQ_1


That link is pure awesome.

Back on track ...

If I understood the PDFs (posted earlier) correctly, then part of this "law" requires the provider to relinquish their 'lock' at the end of the contract. Do I have that right?

I'd consider that an upside. That's not the case with my provider here. I have a perfectly good smart phone that I no longer use. I can only sell it to someone wanting to use the same provider. The phone is contract free. I own it. I paid for it. It should be as easy as going to your local store to unlock it. Actually, no, fuck that - it should be done by the provider AUTOMATICALLY at the conclusion of the contract.

I can understand it from the standpoint that you really aren't 'paying' for the phone when you sign the three year contract. You sign that contract so you can have that new shiny bobble that does lots and lots of things plus links to cat pics for $175 vs. $800 - you shouldn't be able to 'steal' it and hook into another provider.

Still ... the penalties ... these have to be inflated. $500K and/or 5yrs in Jail. Really? Maybe a more appropriate penalty would be being 'banned from owning/using/handling cellular devices' ... lmao ...

I wonder is these same people thought about the boulevard they've just opened up in the consumer cell phone market for the manufacturers?
 Quoting: amachiavellian


America... Land of the Free.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34032674


This law applies to cell phones purchased at a steep discount provided you require a high-end telephone with everything except a toilet paper dispenser. If you purchase your phone at cost, you are free to use whatever carrier you desire however, you do not enjoy the same freedom.

Joys of Unlocked Cell Phones

Buying new, unlocked phones or unlocking your existing phone is perfectly legal in the U.S., although it's not as common as it is in other parts of the world, most notably Western Europe. There, countries such as Belgium don't even allow the sale of locked phones.

[link to www.pcworld.com (secure)]
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


Back on track indeed.

My issue with this is the lack of legal support for people that have ended their contract and now own their phone. Are they breaking DMCA provisions by "jailbreaking" their own property? Has anyone dug deep enough into their contract to assure that your phone is legally "yours" at the end of the agreement? It should be common sense that once your car "cellphone" is paid off you can take it anywhere to be driven outside of the private toll roads "carrier" your were limited to yet since we're dealing with a Congress that keeps it loyalties to carriers with plenty of profit to share it may not be that simple.
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I do not believe they actually “own” the telephone many companies are trying to control or exert their control over second hand sales via copyright laws meaning the company retains control over the product and can forbid the sale or collect a fee and this is a worldwide thing.

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