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God will "bring to ruin those ruining the earth"-{Revelation 11:18}- Harsh? Or an act of love?

 
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If god ruins those who ruin, then does that not make him no better?
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Exactly.
If God is omnipresent and creator of all he created those that destroy.
Rather heal them then destroy them.
That is how my God works.
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Ezeckiel) 20:[24] Because they had not done my judgments, and had cast off my statutes, and had violated my sabbaths, and their eyes had been after the idols of their fathers. [25] Therefore I also gave them statutes that were not good, and judgments, in which they shall not live.

Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delights in their abominations.
4I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spoke, they did not hear: but they did evil before my eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not. Is 66

Hosea 8:4 They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval. With their silver and gold they make idols for themselves to their own destruction.


...Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done, as in heaven, so on earth. Luke 13
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If god ruins those who ruin, then does that not make him no better?
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Do you have ANY idea of just what at idiot you are?
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Judging the JUDGE lol I agree how he lets people destroy other cultures.. Why when some of these cultures have done nothing wrong ? I think we should Rally against god at the judgement…Remember we have been made in the image of him so we must have his traits good and bad…. So is he not judging his own creation he is really judging HIMSELF… Cause we have been made in the image of god...
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I sympathise with this but unfortunately it shows very poor understanding. We cannot escape the reality of what we have become.
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Do you have ANY idea of just what at idiot you are?
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Judging the JUDGE lol I agree how he lets people destroy other cultures.. Why when some of these cultures have done nothing wrong ? I think we should Rally against god at the judgement…Remember we have been made in the image of him so we must have his traits good and bad…. So is he not judging his own creation he is really judging HIMSELF… Cause we have been made in the image of god...
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I sympathise with this but unfortunately it shows very poor understanding. We cannot escape the reality of what we have become.
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Blame and denial is a scape goat attempt, "we are the generation of consequence".
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"Blessed is the Logos of this Earth, for She shineth like a Sun doth shine. Yet-of purpose-She hideth this Light beneath the bushel of a material form, which renders unto man, sustenance.

Blessed is the Logos of this Earth.

She weeps not when the vandals do tear Her body with wounds. She weeps not when the fools do commit foul acts against the very Nature, which forms Her Fruits.

As yet, man, She has borne you.

I request most strongly NOW-that you do not take such for granted.

She has not, as yet, demanded that you change-or leave."



- excerpt taken from The Twelve Blessings, first published 1958

[link to www.amazon.co.uk]

Truth will dawn on us one day - again - for indigenous communities the world over have known that She is alive, before they became 'educated'.
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Jehovah Witnesses and Christians do not believe in Gods wife or the Shekinah. Jewish peoople and Gnostics do. They are the older , original religions before Christianity took off. Eastern religions and pagan religions also remember the feminine. And Catholicism venerates the feminine in the form of Mother Mary.
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50 million died during ww2.

God does not care.

Remember that He is a baby killer (Noah's Flood).
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if God does not care than why is he going to "bring to ruin those ruining the earth?"


man made wars fought "in the name of God" is an exact reason he will bring to ruin those ruining the earth


The flood of Noah's day proves God DOES care- the earth was filled with violence and immorality-he wiped it clean- yet provided a way of salvation to any who would listen- {hence, the ark}

the "babies" killed were the offspring of the demons-he had every right to destroy such un-natural offspring
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thank you- that was an excellent video

if left up to man and man made governments- yes we would be at the point of no return

how grateful we should be for God's intervention

"For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the true God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established, who did NOT CREATE IT SIMPLY FOR NOTHING, who formed it even to be inhabited: "I am Jehovah, and there is no one else"-Isaiah 45:18
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Harsh? I am just dissappointed its taking so long...
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"However, let this one fact not be escaping your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance"- 2 Peter 3:8, 9
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The only leadership offered is by Jehovah,himself whom man has rejected preferring politics/religion/philosophy/industry and the promise of immediate gratification.

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The door is almost shut. How can people not see it is the truth. Have they no shame? Have they no repentance? Do they really think they are good people? They have no shame!
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thank you- that was an excellent video

if left up to man and man made governments- yes we would be at the point of no return

how grateful we should be for God's intervention

"For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the true God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established, who did NOT CREATE IT SIMPLY FOR NOTHING, who formed it even to be inhabited: "I am Jehovah, and there is no one else"-Isaiah 45:18
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YW. Thank you for the nice thread. hf
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The only leadership offered is by Jehovah,himself whom man has rejected preferring politics/religion/philosophy/industry and the promise of immediate gratification.

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The myth of mass lemming suicide began when the Walt Disney movie, Wild Wilderness was released in 1958. It was filmed in Alberta, Canada, far from the sea and not a native home to lemmings. So the filmmakers imported lemmings, by buying them from Inuit children. The migration sequence was filmed by placing the lemmings on a spinning turntable that was covered with snow, and then shooting it from many different angles. The cliff-death-plunge sequence was done by herding the lemmings over a small cliff into a river. It's easy to understand why the filmmakers did this - wild animals are notoriously uncooperative, and a migration-of-doom followed by a cliff-of-death sequence is far more dramatic to show than the lemmings' self-implemented population-density management plan.

So lemmings do not commit mass suicide. Indeed, animals live to thrive and survive. Consider a company like Disney, where one rodent, namely Mickey Mouse, was Royalty. It's rather odd to think that Disney could be so unkind to another rodent, the lemming...
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The only leadership offered is by Jehovah,himself whom man has rejected preferring politics/religion/philosophy/industry and the promise of immediate gratification.
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Are you being critical and/or insulting to this Native American elder?
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The only leadership offered is by Jehovah,himself whom man has rejected preferring politics/religion/philosophy/industry and the promise of immediate gratification.
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Are you being critical and/or insulting to this Native American elder?
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You were online when I asked this. I'd appreciate an answer.
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Harsh? I am just dissappointed its taking so long...
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"However, let this one fact not be escaping your notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance"- 2 Peter 3:8, 9
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Yes this is true in the times of Creation. One day equals one thousand years. Different years for different times and doctrine, but creation is 1000 yearshf
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith Yahweh, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.
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The destruction of the earth is being done by those in the secret societies who have a lust for world domination, because the spirit at work in them seeks to control and destroy the earth, mankind, and all life. They are the ones working behind the scenes creating the GMO's that are unnatural and threatening the natural balance of native species, not just our food supply. They are the ones experimenting with biological weapons and pesticides. The are the ones seeking to obtain all the wealth in their hands, leaving nations in poverty and unable to care for their nations properly.

The Luciferians like the modern-day Jews and the Masons gave us Marx and Marxism. The most destructive force in the world today. The most polluted nations are Communist or formerly Communist. After all, the man, Marx wrote poems of walking through the ruins of the earth like a god.

Anyone following the teachings of those groups is going to be on the list of those that Jesus has to clean up when He returns. As it is, the nuclear waste, the GMO's and the pollution alone requires a major overhaul to save this planet.

God can and He will.
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YES!....God certainly will


"Come you people, behold the activities of Jehovah,
How he has set astonishing events on the earth.
He is making wars to cease to the extremity of the earth.
The bow he breaks apart and does cut the spear in pieces; The wagons he burns in the fire

"Give in you people and know that I am God.
I will be exalted among the nations,
I will be exalted in the earth"- Psalms 46: 8-10
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Harsh in it's execution as more violence is done to the earth in one day that is done in the previous 3 1/2 years. That the ones being punished have an end to the punishment and then they also join the living is the love part.
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act of love.. and heres a firm warning.. you destroy my flock.. you will be destroyed..
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act of love.. and heres a firm warning.. you destroy my flock.. you will be destroyed..
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indeed an act of love- love for humans who want what is good

love for his creation

love for his own righteous standards
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Technology is one culprit to blame in destroying/ruining the earth… So whoever invented any technology will face Ruining.. Eye for an eye…. Yeah i love it
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yes....technology used to destroy rather than heal


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If god ruins those who ruin, then does that not make him no better?
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Do you have ANY idea of just what at idiot you are?
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Judging the JUDGE lol I agree how he lets people destroy other cultures.. Why when some of these cultures have done nothing wrong ? I think we should Rally against god at the judgement…Remember we have been made in the image of him so we must have his traits good and bad…. So is he not judging his own creation which is really judging HIMSELF… Cause we have been made in the image of god...
 Quoting: Observer 33943987


"rally against God????- that sounds a lot like Pharaoh of Egypt in Moses day and we know what HIS outcome was
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The only leadership offered is by Jehovah,himself whom man has rejected preferring politics/religion/philosophy/industry and the promise of immediate gratification.

 Quoting: DGN


The myth of mass lemming suicide began when the Walt Disney movie, Wild Wilderness was released in 1958. It was filmed in Alberta, Canada, far from the sea and not a native home to lemmings. So the filmmakers imported lemmings, by buying them from Inuit children. The migration sequence was filmed by placing the lemmings on a spinning turntable that was covered with snow, and then shooting it from many different angles. The cliff-death-plunge sequence was done by herding the lemmings over a small cliff into a river. It's easy to understand why the filmmakers did this - wild animals are notoriously uncooperative, and a migration-of-doom followed by a cliff-of-death sequence is far more dramatic to show than the lemmings' self-implemented population-density management plan.

So lemmings do not commit mass suicide. Indeed, animals live to thrive and survive. Consider a company like Disney, where one rodent, namely Mickey Mouse, was Royalty. It's rather odd to think that Disney could be so unkind to another rodent, the lemming...
[link to www.abc.net.au]


The only leadership offered is by Jehovah,himself whom man has rejected preferring politics/religion/philosophy/industry and the promise of immediate gratification.
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Are you being critical and/or insulting to this Native American elder?
 Quoting: Nine's
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Harsh in it's execution as more violence is done to the earth in one day that is done in the previous 3 1/2 years. That the ones being punished have an end to the punishment and then they also join the living is the love part.
 Quoting: MHz


The earth itself will not suffer destruction

rather the ones who do not want to do God's will

one could illustrate it as a mass eviction of bad tenants and making life more pleasurable for the good tenants

"For evildoers themselves will be cut off,
But those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth"- Psalms 37:9
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sort of a catch twenty two isnt it? The christians worship the chinese, most having been created by them, and the chinese are the ones destroying the rain forest for beef and soy production and polluting the waters with mercury for gold?


Yet it is "mans" fault, perhaps the true great whore, for this "man" even knowing his god would have him perish in the end still worships this fallen dragon from the sky.

Its as if none can decipher this bit;

"And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter."


That would be that new testament......


Oh well party on. But know this, there is but 1 God.
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1Hear, therefore, kings, and understand;a

learn, you magistrates* of the earth’s expanse!

2Give ear, you who have power over multitudes

and lord it over throngs of peoples!

3Because authority was given you by the Lord

and sovereignty by the Most High,

who shall probe your works and scrutinize your counsels!b

4Because, though you were ministers of his kingdom, you did not judge rightly,

and did not keep the law,*

nor walk according to the will of God,

5Terribly and swiftly he shall come against you,

because severe judgment awaits the exalted—

6For the lowly may be pardoned out of mercy

but the mighty shall be mightily put to the test.

7For the Ruler of all shows no partiality,

nor does he fear greatness,d

Because he himself made the great as well as the small,

and provides for all alike;

8but for those in power a rigorous scrutiny impends.

9To you, therefore, O princes, are my words addressed

that you may learn wisdom and that you may not fall away.

10For those who keep the holy precepts hallowed will be found holy,

and those learned in them will have ready a response.*

11Desire therefore my words;

long for them and you will be instructed.
 Quoting: Book of Wisdom Chapter 6 [link to www.usccb.org]


It is kind of difficult to judge where about exactly we are in the unfolding of things, but from where I sit, it seems many of the prophecies have come to pass. Time will tell. The point for us believer is that we must allow Him to purify us as slag is removed from silver. Remember as many as He loves He rebukes and chastens, so don't forget to be thankful for His discipline! Have faith and hope, and persevere to the end.
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1Hear, therefore, kings, and understand;a

learn, you magistrates* of the earth’s expanse!

2Give ear, you who have power over multitudes

and lord it over throngs of peoples!

3Because authority was given you by the Lord

and sovereignty by the Most High,

who shall probe your works and scrutinize your counsels!b

4Because, though you were ministers of his kingdom, you did not judge rightly,

and did not keep the law,*

nor walk according to the will of God,

5Terribly and swiftly he shall come against you,

because severe judgment awaits the exalted—

6For the lowly may be pardoned out of mercy

but the mighty shall be mightily put to the test.

7For the Ruler of all shows no partiality,

nor does he fear greatness,d

Because he himself made the great as well as the small,

and provides for all alike;

8but for those in power a rigorous scrutiny impends.

9To you, therefore, O princes, are my words addressed

that you may learn wisdom and that you may not fall away.

10For those who keep the holy precepts hallowed will be found holy,

and those learned in them will have ready a response.*

11Desire therefore my words;

long for them and you will be instructed.
 Quoting: Book of Wisdom Chapter 6 [link to www.usccb.org]


It is kind of difficult to judge where about exactly we are in the unfolding of things, but from where I sit, it seems many of the prophecies have come to pass. Time will tell. The point for us believer is that we must allow Him to purify us as slag is removed from silver. Remember as many as He loves He rebukes and chastens, so don't forget to be thankful for His discipline! Have faith and hope, and persevere to the end.
 Quoting: PEER 21008556


yes, most prophecies are undergoing fulfillment, this post focus' on just one, the ruining of the earth, If God did not step in soon, how much more of the earth would be destroyed?


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We are all guilty of it every day.

It breaks my heart to fill trash bag after trash bag. It breaks my heart to see all the unnecessary packaging. Packaging is out of control and not needed. Just crazy.

We need to really look at what we are doing to ourselves by destroying this earth.


5 stars OP.


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We are all guilty of it every day.

It breaks my heart to fill trash bag after trash bag. It breaks my heart to see all the unnecessary packaging. Packaging is out of control and not needed. Just crazy.

We need to really look at what we are doing to ourselves by destroying this earth.


5 stars OP.


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nice to hear from someone sensitive to such things..
{ I used to go to Yosemite Park and fill up trash bags of McDonald's trash left randomly next to these gorgeous waterfalls...I was incensed}

we all can do a small part in being conscious of taking care of our planet, though the ultimate solution rests with Jehovah God himself

its the wanton greed of nations and persons he holds accountable for disregard for the gift of life


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1Hear, therefore, kings, and understand;a

learn, you magistrates* of the earth’s expanse!

2Give ear, you who have power over multitudes

and lord it over throngs of peoples!

3Because authority was given you by the Lord

and sovereignty by the Most High,

who shall probe your works and scrutinize your counsels!b

4Because, though you were ministers of his kingdom, you did not judge rightly,

and did not keep the law,*

nor walk according to the will of God,

5Terribly and swiftly he shall come against you,

because severe judgment awaits the exalted—

6For the lowly may be pardoned out of mercy

but the mighty shall be mightily put to the test.

7For the Ruler of all shows no partiality,

nor does he fear greatness,d

Because he himself made the great as well as the small,

and provides for all alike;

8but for those in power a rigorous scrutiny impends.

9To you, therefore, O princes, are my words addressed

that you may learn wisdom and that you may not fall away.

10For those who keep the holy precepts hallowed will be found holy,

and those learned in them will have ready a response.*

11Desire therefore my words;

long for them and you will be instructed.
 Quoting: Book of Wisdom Chapter 6 [link to www.usccb.org]


It is kind of difficult to judge where about exactly we are in the unfolding of things, but from where I sit, it seems many of the prophecies have come to pass. Time will tell. The point for us believer is that we must allow Him to purify us as slag is removed from silver. Remember as many as He loves He rebukes and chastens, so don't forget to be thankful for His discipline! Have faith and hope, and persevere to the end.
 Quoting: PEER 21008556


yes, most prophecies are undergoing fulfillment, this post focus' on just one, the ruining of the earth, If God did not step in soon, how much more of the earth would be destroyed?



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and it will require all the angels and good people across all lands to achieve - assuming western military might is around one hundred divisions and knowing it destroys the lands as ruinously as it does the inhabitants who dwell upon them
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"You will break them with an iron scepter,
As though a potters vessel you will dash them to pieces.
And now, O kings, exercise insight;
Let yourselves be corrected, O judges of the earth"-Psalms 2:9, 10

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