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Sandy Hook - Why the lies about the Bushmaster?

 
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Sandy Hook - Why the lies about the Bushmaster?
Lt' Vance and the Connecticut State Police have been lying to the public and it can be proven. Vance states the Bushmaster .223 was found with the shooter inside the school yet videos show it being removed from the trunk of the Honda while multiple msm sources make the same claim.
They even go on to say that Nancy Lanza had legally purchased the weapons even though Connecticut law states:

"“ASSAULT WEAPONS”
No person shall possess any "assault weapon" unless that person possessed that firearm before October 1, 1993 and received a certificate of possession from the Connecticut State Police prior to July 1994

She's owned it for over 20 years? O.K., what ever. It's possible but unlikely. Time magazine could find no record of her ever buying or owning any weapons at all.

What do witnesses describe hearing?:
Booms, pops, someone kicking a door, fixing the roof, pans falling, 1 witness specifies hearing shotguns.

The sounds could be construed as being caused by a shotgun, what about damage? The glass by the front door is more consistent with a shotgun than rifle. The difficulty identifying some of the victims is definitely a sign of shotgun rather than rifle or handgun fire.

Even if each victim had been killed by .223 bullets it would not have disfigured them so badly as to make identification only possibly through photographs for 20 child victims and resulted in only 2 open casket funerals. Morticians are experts at facial reconstruction and filling gaps in bodies for cosmetic purposes. .223 bullets upon entering only leave very small holes.

Finally, shotguns are mentioned by a police officer at around 12:30 in to the radio transcript (Fairfield 9;36am -)

Since a shotgun was found on scene and only later admitted to, one must wonder why it was purposefully left out of the story.

What if?:
Police accidentally fired into closet killing some children? To cover for this police would they invent the Bushmaster and plant one on scene?
Remember that initial reports from Sandy Hook mentioned handguns and only handguns being found with the attacker. Why did they have to somehow make everyone think an assault rifle was used? If this were a planned event to create support for anti-gun laws they would introduced an assault weapon from the start, would they not?
This is the only scenario that is making any sense at all to me - the Lanza and whoever else may have been with him killed some people with a shotgun and maybe some handguns and somehow police shot someone with their rifles as we know they were carrying them that day.

Sorry to have to post this anonymously but some people will flip and say I'm accusing the police of shooting children. I'm saying the possibility exists of a tragic accident having happened that it's being covered up. The cover up is about the guns, think hard why that would be.
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Re: Sandy Hook - Why the lies about the Bushmaster?
No... It was because the plan all along was to come after "assault weapons"... and the Bushmaster is the visual epitome of the public's perception of one.
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I keep hearing different things about what was actually pulled from the trunk of the car.

Has anyone seen any definitive analysis of what actually came out of there?
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I keep hearing different things about what was actually pulled from the trunk of the car.

Has anyone seen any definitive analysis of what actually came out of there?
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I looked that over multiple times. At first I thought they pulled out a Saiga Shotgun and a second long gun. After finding a high def version there is no doubt that was a Saiga 12 gauge and a magazine.

Vance is still lying though. A first responder said on the radio "multiple weapons including long rifles and shotguns". This proves that there were multiple shooters. Vance said that there was only one shotgun pulled from the truck that totally contradicts the reports from first responders.
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I keep hearing different things about what was actually pulled from the trunk of the car.

Has anyone seen any definitive analysis of what actually came out of there?
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I looked that over multiple times. At first I thought they pulled out a Saiga Shotgun and a second long gun. After finding a high def version there is no doubt that was a Saiga 12 gauge and a magazine.

Vance is still lying though. A first responder said on the radio "multiple weapons including long rifles and shotguns". This proves that there were multiple shooters. Vance said that there was only one shotgun pulled from the truck that totally contradicts the reports from first responders.
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Link to the high def version you speak of....
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I keep hearing different things about what was actually pulled from the trunk of the car.

Has anyone seen any definitive analysis of what actually came out of there?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810909


Watch the video 2nd down on the left in hi def. The same technician walks away with both guns. In his left hand is the Saiga, in his right he carried the Bushmaster upside down so all you can see is a target stock and the rear of the scope. The guy on the top left has the Saiga magazine while the guy on the bottom right was the camera man.

This explains the stories of why BOTH guns were found in the car. This might also explain why they waited until after dark to search the car to give them time to plant one.
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I keep hearing different things about what was actually pulled from the trunk of the car.

Has anyone seen any definitive analysis of what actually came out of there?
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Sorry, I forgot the link.
Here: [link to www.nbcnewyork.com]
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I keep hearing different things about what was actually pulled from the trunk of the car.

Has anyone seen any definitive analysis of what actually came out of there?
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you dont find strange that it was catch by helicopter?
in the middle of the night? where is the rest of the footage? they were very lucky to catch it, the scene last 2 min.
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What if?:

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What if?:
No kids were shot at all and the whole day was a sham.

What if?: there was not 5 or 6 hundred kids there that day.

What if?:
The reason that the witnesses hear inconsistent sounds is that there was only simulated noise, not enough to traumatise the kids but enough that they could relay hearing loud noises (some didn't even hear that)

What if?:
The reason no medics were needed inside the school is because there was no shooting (or are you suggesting that after the police accidentally shooting kids they then covered up their crime by denying medics access? That would be some nasty cops)
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you dont find strange that it was catch by helicopter?
in the middle of the night? where is the rest of the footage? they were very lucky to catch it, the scene last 2 min.
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I do find it strange they waited so long to search the car especially when they mention it specifically in the EMS radio transcript. Notice the use of a single spotlight? I think the intent was to hide the Bushmaster while removing it which is why he carries it upside down and in the shadows.

- HooleyDooley:
As for the What ifs that's my what if. Start your own thread if you want to discuss other what ifs. I believe it would be impossible to cover up the faked shootings of 28 people. 6 maybe but not 28. So I'm going with the half real/ half faked theory myself.
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you dont find strange that it was catch by helicopter?
in the middle of the night? where is the rest of the footage? they were very lucky to catch it, the scene last 2 min.
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I do find it strange they waited so long to search the car especially when they mention it specifically in the EMS radio transcript. Notice the use of a single spotlight? I think the intent was to hide the Bushmaster while removing it which is why he carries it upside down and in the shadows.

...
 Quoting: Bittercritter 26255514


no, it's not the timing of forcenics...
if they worked all day long in classroom and finally come to car in the night, it's possible.

what is highly improbable is the fact that an helicopter was there. in the middle of the night.
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Re: Sandy Hook - Why the lies about the Bushmaster?
Connecticut definition of Assault Weapon

[link to www.ct.gov]
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Cauz if the set had a Street~Sweeper, they would be after all the shot~guns. I guess they think, people that have snapped will be shooting from a distance and not in their face.
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what is highly improbable is the fact that an helicopter was there. in the middle of the night.
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That's my point. They wanted to show the Saiga being removed but not the Bushmaster as that was supposed to be inside the crime scene. Perhaps not every law enforcement agency is in on any cover-up and this is cops hiding things from other cops.
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The lies are because CT already had the legislation drafted up 9 months in advance and Gov. Malloy was "warned" (according to his own testimony) that something like this was going to happen in the state. So he not only got a heads up, but a copy of the script the white house passed down to make sure his Attorneys drafted up the correct verbage to be included in the legislation. Final Answer. brought to you by the State of Connecticut LOB. -SENTINAL 1 bump
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To make this interesting for you guys, Find out exactly which attorney's and congressman worked on the legislation in CT that deals with weapons in the past six months and compare that data to the date the Approved version was edited and done to be introduced to the house. If it was before the December 14th incedent, you know i'm 100% correct on this. Dont trust me, do the research.
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Connecticut is home to YALE (New Haven, CT)
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George "BUSH".
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Lt' Vance and the Connecticut State Police have been lying to the public and it can be proven. Vance states the Bushmaster .223 was found with the shooter inside the school yet videos show it being removed from the trunk of the Honda while multiple msm sources make the same claim.
They even go on to say that Nancy Lanza had legally purchased the weapons even though Connecticut law states:

"“ASSAULT WEAPONS”
No person shall possess any "assault weapon" unless that person possessed that firearm before October 1, 1993 and received a certificate of possession from the Connecticut State Police prior to July 1994

She's owned it for over 20 years? O.K., what ever. It's possible but unlikely. Time magazine could find no record of her ever buying or owning any weapons at all.

What do witnesses describe hearing?:
Booms, pops, someone kicking a door, fixing the roof, pans falling, 1 witness specifies hearing shotguns.

The sounds could be construed as being caused by a shotgun, what about damage? The glass by the front door is more consistent with a shotgun than rifle. The difficulty identifying some of the victims is definitely a sign of shotgun rather than rifle or handgun fire.

Even if each victim had been killed by .223 bullets it would not have disfigured them so badly as to make identification only possibly through photographs for 20 child victims and resulted in only 2 open casket funerals. Morticians are experts at facial reconstruction and filling gaps in bodies for cosmetic purposes. .223 bullets upon entering only leave very small holes.

Finally, shotguns are mentioned by a police officer at around 12:30 in to the radio transcript (Fairfield 9;36am -)

Since a shotgun was found on scene and only later admitted to, one must wonder why it was purposefully left out of the story.

What if?:
Police accidentally fired into closet killing some children? To cover for this police would they invent the Bushmaster and plant one on scene?
Remember that initial reports from Sandy Hook mentioned handguns and only handguns being found with the attacker. Why did they have to somehow make everyone think an assault rifle was used? If this were a planned event to create support for anti-gun laws they would introduced an assault weapon from the start, would they not?
This is the only scenario that is making any sense at all to me - the Lanza and whoever else may have been with him killed some people with a shotgun and maybe some handguns and somehow police shot someone with their rifles as we know they were carrying them that day.

Sorry to have to post this anonymously but some people will flip and say I'm accusing the police of shooting children. I'm saying the possibility exists of a tragic accident having happened that it's being covered up. The cover up is about the guns, think hard why that would be.
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Bushmaster didnt start makeing M'4's or that style weapon till what year???? there is also a clue. It had to have been a rescent purchase..... And, an m-4 style weapon is not on the Assault ban list. I have one cuz i'm military and walked right into COLT manufacturing which is in Hartford, ct. Showed my ID and got an additional 15% off as well. I'm tellin ya this whole thing was staged and is BS.
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Connecticut is home to YALE (New Haven, CT)
Most infamous frat is Skull & Bones
Most infamous "MASTER" of Skull & Bones...

George "BUSH".
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Is that why he has been off the RADAR???? I doubt it but its an interesting stretch.
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THIS IS WHY:

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what is highly improbable is the fact that an helicopter was there. in the middle of the night.
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That's my point. They wanted to show the Saiga being removed but not the Bushmaster as that was supposed to be inside the crime scene. Perhaps not every law enforcement agency is in on any cover-up and this is cops hiding things from other cops.
 Quoting: Bittercritter 26255514


and the same for the run in the forest... what a luck to be focused here, just when cops start to run. The cameraman is medium!


it's organised mess.

in 90 days, they will show a security movie with a black man entering the school with a rifle... and they will say:
so! you see! we were right! rifle! single shoter! you were paranoiac! you see conspiracy everywhere... and for people who didnt follow the case, the subject will be close.
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What if?:

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26255514


What if?:
No kids were shot at all and the whole day was a sham.

What if?: there was not 5 or 6 hundred kids there that day.

What if?:
The reason that the witnesses hear inconsistent sounds is that there was only simulated noise, not enough to traumatise the kids but enough that they could relay hearing loud noises (some didn't even hear that)

What if?:
The reason no medics were needed inside the school is because there was no shooting (or are you suggesting that after the police accidentally shooting kids they then covered up their crime by denying medics access? That would be some nasty cops)
 Quoting: HooleyDooley


What if--it really happened? That there WAS a shooter--mentally ill--went on a killing spree? What if he DID use the bushmaster and the reason so many closed casket funerals was because of MULTIPLE wounds? The guy had tons of ammo. The gun they found in trunk was a shotgun--that has been validated.
What are the odds of finding 20 sets of parents -all in the same town-all with kids in the same school--that would ALL agree to teeling their families, and the world that their child was dead--telling their kid that they cannot come out in public anymore--they wont be able to see mommy or daddy or brothers or sisters anymore? Would 20 sets of parents agree to putting their kids through that life altering TORTURE?? If you had kids--WOULD YOU AGREE TO IT?
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What are the odds of finding 20 sets of parents -all in the same town-all with kids in the same school--that would ALL agree to teeling their families, and the world that their child was dead--telling their kid that they cannot come out in public anymore--they wont be able to see mommy or daddy or brothers or sisters anymore? Would 20 sets of parents agree to putting their kids through that life altering TORTURE?? If you had kids--WOULD YOU AGREE TO IT?
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dont believe this kids forget
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Andy Murray was here and dont remember...
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ARE YOU KIDDING?
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I should add that I think Medical Examiner Carver was forced to lie during the press conference. He said "all the wounds were caused by the long weapon". Somebody asked what caliber it was and he replied " I probably know more blah blah but if I said it in court there would be an objection" - so he dodged that one.
Finally someone said "wasn't the rifle found in the car?" to which he was forced to reply "that is incorrect". He tried very hard to not say the wounds were caused by the rifle but was eventually forced in to it.
When the bigwigs from state LE are standing right next to you it's a good idea to say what they want you to say.
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What are the odds of finding 20 sets of parents -all in the same town-all with kids in the same school--that would ALL agree to teeling their families, and the world that their child was dead--telling their kid that they cannot come out in public anymore--they wont be able to see mommy or daddy or brothers or sisters anymore? Would 20 sets of parents agree to putting their kids through that life altering TORTURE?? If you had kids--WOULD YOU AGREE TO IT?
 Quoting: Rob83


dont believe this kids forget
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Andy Murray was here and dont remember...
 Quoting: Fred 33015295


You failed to honestly answer my question...
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I should add that I think Medical Examiner Carver was forced to lie during the press conference. He said "all the wounds were caused by the long weapon". Somebody asked what caliber it was and he replied " I probably know more blah blah but if I said it in court there would be an objection" - so he dodged that one.
Finally someone said "wasn't the rifle found in the car?" to which he was forced to reply "that is incorrect". He tried very hard to not say the wounds were caused by the rifle but was eventually forced in to it.
When the bigwigs from state LE are standing right next to you it's a good idea to say what they want you to say.
 Quoting: Bittercritter 26255514


I don't know what video you saw but that is NOT what happened. He said he only did 7 autopsies and that the primary weapon was the long rifle. He very carefully worded it so he can backtrack and claim he was only talking about his 7 kids. He also used the word primary.....in other words he knows for a fact another weapon is involved.
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I keep hearing different things about what was actually pulled from the trunk of the car.

Has anyone seen any definitive analysis of what actually came out of there?
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Sorry, I forgot the link.
Here: [link to www.nbcnewyork.com]
 Quoting: Bittercritter 26255514


BTW.....the police have claimed more than once all weapons were legally registered to Nancy Lanza. They originally said 4 rifles and 2 handguns but I have an article that claims she had 12 guns. Also I think you do not have to register a shot gun like that if it is sold in a private sale BUT if it was modified OR came with that highly illegal large magazine it would be a crime to sell it like that.
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What are the odds of finding 20 sets of parents -all in the same town-all with kids in the same school--that would ALL agree to teeling their families, and the world that their child was dead--telling their kid that they cannot come out in public anymore--they wont be able to see mommy or daddy or brothers or sisters anymore? Would 20 sets of parents agree to putting their kids through that life altering TORTURE?? If you had kids--WOULD YOU AGREE TO IT?
 Quoting: Rob83


dont believe this kids forget
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Andy Murray was here and dont remember...
 Quoting: Fred 33015295


You failed to honestly answer my question...
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if i was sure that this lie will save 1000 of lifes, yes!
if you care about my personal answer.
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you dont find strange that it was catch by helicopter?
in the middle of the night? where is the rest of the footage? they were very lucky to catch it, the scene last 2 min.
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I do find it strange they waited so long to search the car especially when they mention it specifically in the EMS radio transcript. Notice the use of a single spotlight? I think the intent was to hide the Bushmaster while removing it which is why he carries it upside down and in the shadows.
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 Quoting: Bittercritter 26255514


yes... imagine the 2nd shooter was in the trunk!
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Lt' Vance and the Connecticut State Police have been lying to the public and it can be proven. Vance states the Bushmaster .223 was found with the shooter inside the school yet videos show it being removed from the trunk of the Honda...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26255514


The gun removed from the trunk was clearly a Saigi-12 with a Dragunov style stock...

Only a mental midget that knows nothing about guns could mistake one for an AR...

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