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Asteroid 2012 DA14 is getting bigger and bigger. WTF?

 
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Re: Asteroid 2012 DA14 is getting bigger and bigger. WTF?
Are you saying that it is important to place it in proportion to the earth? For example a 1,000,000,000 kg asteroid (~240m I think someone said) looks scary compared to 100,000,000 kg (maybe under 40m??), when really in proportion to the Earth that asteroid is 1.67e-17 compared to 1.67e-16 of size. Which basically means a nano size increase in the gravity effects from Earth? Is this right?
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Increased mass of the asteroid does not mean increased gravity effects from earth. If it were a significant portion of earth's mass or more, then the mutual attraction between the two objects would matter, instead of just the attraction the asteroid feels from earth. In other words, the effect of earth being pulled toward the asteroid by the asteroid's gravity would make the pass closer, but seeing as how the mass of asteroids like this are too small to matter you can ignore the mass of the asteroid.
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What part of the planet will it be closer to at it's closest approach?
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Google Map of path on 15 Feb 2013:
[link to maps.google.com]

Map Legend:

Point, Time(UT) - Distance from Earth's surface km*
A) 18:00 - 42766
B) 18:15 - 38496
C) 18:30 - 34705
D) 18:45 - 31553
E) 19:00 - 29229
F) 19:15 - 27918
G) 19:24:42 - 27672 - Closest Approach
H) 19:30 - 27746
I) 19:45 - 28732
J) 20:00 - 30776
K) 20:15 - 33705
L) 20:30 - 37327
M) 20:45 - 41471
N) 21:00 - 46001

*Used an average earth radius of 6378 km.

Have fun.


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thanks for this information if it is correct, im not to bright on things like this but i do wonder a few questions just to show how stupid on the matter i really am :P first, is it known that the sun and the earth both have gravitational pulls and i guess counter act each other from being pulled to far either way? if this is true im sure distance etc plays a big role, and if this rock gets as close as 17194 miles what are the odds it could be pulled in, also once again i dont know much on these matters obviously, but we have compasses on earth and magnetic north, commets asteroids whathave you have metals n such in them? could this also help with gravity to pull in an object such as this? i mean any object like this in general. thanks and go easy on me :P
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[link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov]

NASA seems to have pulled down their page on 2012 DA14's impact risks only about an hour ago..
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I thought they took it down a while ago actually. They always do that for asteroids whose risk of impact in the foreseeable future (~100 years) is eliminated. There is no risk of impact on Friday and thanks to the latest astrometric data, there's no risk of impact in our lifetimes.
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You're highly annoying..,,,,
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If incredibly accurate...
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If not this asteroid then one of them they will steer purposely into the planet, they have the technology, the compartmentalized systems to carry it out covertly, and the ruling elite are desperate to fast-track the depopulation agenda before the awakening snowballs into a real force effecting change and reversal of their agenda 21 holocaust and war crimes. [link to blogdogcicle.blogspot.ca]
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but seeing as how the mass of asteroids like this are too small to matter you can ignore the mass of the asteroid.
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Unless it lands on your arse

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If not this asteroid then one of them they will steer purposely into the planet, they have the technology, the compartmentalized systems to carry it out covertly, and the ruling elite are desperate to fast-track the depopulation agenda before the awakening snowballs into a real force effecting change and reversal of their agenda 21 holocaust and war crimes. [link to blogdogcicle.blogspot.ca]
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[link to www.youtube.com] cmon your canadian any good excuse for beer time XD
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lol the size of one of these moving this fast wouldnt matter much, if it hits a large body of water surfs up dude, if it hits a populated area WMD?
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What part of the planet will it be closer to at it's closest approach?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27768994


Google Map of path on 15 Feb 2013:
[link to maps.google.com]

Map Legend:

Point, Time(UT) - Distance from Earth's surface km*
A) 18:00 - 42766
B) 18:15 - 38496
C) 18:30 - 34705
D) 18:45 - 31553
E) 19:00 - 29229
F) 19:15 - 27918
G) 19:24:42 - 27672 - Closest Approach
H) 19:30 - 27746
I) 19:45 - 28732
J) 20:00 - 30776
K) 20:15 - 33705
L) 20:30 - 37327
M) 20:45 - 41471
N) 21:00 - 46001

*Used an average earth radius of 6378 km.

Have fun.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420


thanks for this information if it is correct, im not to bright on things like this but i do wonder a few questions just to show how stupid on the matter i really am :P

1) first, is it known that the sun and the earth both have gravitational pulls and i guess counter act each other from being pulled to far either way?

2) if this is true im sure distance etc plays a big role, and if this rock gets as close as 17194 miles what are the odds it could be pulled in, also once again i dont know much on these matters obviously, but

3) we have compasses on earth and magnetic north, comets asteroids whathave you have metals n such in them? could this also help with gravity to pull in an object such as this? i mean any object like this in general. thanks and go easy on me :P
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20791108


Glad it was helpful.

1) The orbit has been calculated taking into account the gravity of: the Sun, the Moon, the Earth, all the other planets, and the major asteroids in the asteroid belt.
That's pretty exhaustive accounting for gravitational fields, wouldn't you say? Astromut's calculations also include these gravitational fields. He gets essentially the same numbers for the orbit.

2) The odds are 0%. The trajectory has been calculated taking into account the gravitational fields of all objects listed in Q#1. It is similar to this: if a car drives off a cliff on the coast hwy in California, what are the odds it hits Manhattan? 0%. It boggles the mind that people can't understand the concept of "impossible" when dealing with an object's motion. One we know its motion we can rule out hits, 100%, for some places. It is as simple as that. Don't let it being space and an asteroid confuse you... it is as simple as the car falling off a California cliff example above.

3) Take a refrigerator magnet and move it around your compass at about 6". See how it overwhelms the Earth's magnetic field? A little refrig. magnet is more powerful.
All the woo-woos on GLP represent the Earth's magnetic field as something vast and powerful, but it is really quite weak.
In any event, the Earth's magnetic field is too weak to influence any asteroid... heck, it takes miles and miles of travel for it to influence something as light as an electron (which is trillions of trillions of trillions of times less massive).
Now the loons will show up screaming that "universe is like my house wiring" but you need to ask them can their delusion (and that is what it is) predict to movement of celestial objects that are not sub-atomic.

4) Look at the celestial doom track records:
NASA/JPL/Scientists/Rationalists/Debunkers = 100%
Woo-woos, Fringe thinkers, kooks, scammers = 0%

Who are you going to rely on for accurate information?


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This site gives details of the location ...

[link to www.skyandtelescope.com]
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What part of the planet will it be closer to at it's closest approach?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27768994


Google Map of path on 15 Feb 2013:
[link to maps.google.com]

Map Legend:

Point, Time(UT) - Distance from Earth's surface km*
A) 18:00 - 42766
B) 18:15 - 38496
C) 18:30 - 34705
D) 18:45 - 31553
E) 19:00 - 29229
F) 19:15 - 27918
G) 19:24:42 - 27672 - Closest Approach
H) 19:30 - 27746
I) 19:45 - 28732
J) 20:00 - 30776
K) 20:15 - 33705
L) 20:30 - 37327
M) 20:45 - 41471
N) 21:00 - 46001

*Used an average earth radius of 6378 km.

Have fun.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420


thanks for this information if it is correct, im not to bright on things like this but i do wonder a few questions just to show how stupid on the matter i really am :P

1) first, is it known that the sun and the earth both have gravitational pulls and i guess counter act each other from being pulled to far either way?

2) if this is true im sure distance etc plays a big role, and if this rock gets as close as 17194 miles what are the odds it could be pulled in, also once again i dont know much on these matters obviously, but

3) we have compasses on earth and magnetic north, comets asteroids whathave you have metals n such in them? could this also help with gravity to pull in an object such as this? i mean any object like this in general. thanks and go easy on me :P
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20791108


Glad it was helpful.

1) The orbit has been calculated taking into account the gravity of: the Sun, the Moon, the Earth, all the other planets, and the major asteroids in the asteroid belt.
That's pretty exhaustive accounting for gravitational fields, wouldn't you say? Astromut's calculations also include these gravitational fields. He gets essentially the same numbers for the orbit.

2) The odds are 0%. The trajectory has been calculated taking into account the gravitational fields of all objects listed in Q#1. It is similar to this: if a car drives off a cliff on the coast hwy in California, what are the odds it hits Manhattan? 0%. It boggles the mind that people can't understand the concept of "impossible" when dealing with an object's motion. One we know its motion we can rule out hits, 100%, for some places. It is as simple as that. Don't let it being space and an asteroid confuse you... it is as simple as the car falling off a California cliff example above.

3) Take a refrigerator magnet and move it around your compass at about 6". See how it overwhelms the Earth's magnetic field? A little refrig. magnet is more powerful.
All the woo-woos on GLP represent the Earth's magnetic field as something vast and powerful, but it is really quite weak.
In any event, the Earth's magnetic field is too weak to influence any asteroid... heck, it takes miles and miles of travel for it to influence something as light as an electron (which is trillions of trillions of trillions of times less massive).
Now the loons will show up screaming that "universe is like my house wiring" but you need to ask them can their delusion (and that is what it is) predict to movement of celestial objects that are not sub-atomic.

4) Look at the celestial doom track records:
NASA/JPL/Scientists/Rationalists/Debunkers = 100%
Woo-woos, Fringe thinkers, kooks, scammers = 0%

Who are you going to rely on for accurate information?


R.
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ok thanks for the post i assume it took you so long to reply due to the fact u had to decipher that huge wall of text. im not here to argue facts or non facts on an issue like this with anybody, i dont know enough about it. im sure as hell not one here rooting for something like this to take place either. my stance is pretty much wait n see read what i can believe little, the things even the smartest men on this planet know dont come close to outweighting what we dont.
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So, you re saying that the mass of the earth (and the moon)is perfectly known (must be), in order to calculate the exact effect on a unknown (tiny) mass of an object. And the way to calculate that perfect number is the same formula you are quoting to determinate the effect of that mass, with a constant G, calculated about 250 years ago, and accepted as standard way to set the earth mass about 50 years ago. So pretty circular mathematical and tautological phd bullshit. Im not saying the thing will hit, far from that, but the arrogance of the so called experts is annoying to say the least. You can´t even see the light of the stars in space, so how can you say a formula established on earth works in a different, very different enviroment??
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This isn't the most Arrogantly Ignorant post I've seen on GLP but it does rate a Dishonourable Mention.


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you must have missed recollecter a few pages back. his ignorance is as vast as space itself
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So, you re saying that the mass of the earth (and the moon)is perfectly known (must be), in order to calculate the exact effect on a unknown (tiny) mass of an object. And the way to calculate that perfect number is the same formula you are quoting to determinate the effect of that mass, with a constant G, calculated about 250 years ago, and accepted as standard way to set the earth mass about 50 years ago. So pretty circular mathematical and tautological phd bullshit. Im not saying the thing will hit, far from that, but the arrogance of the so called experts is annoying to say the least. You can´t even see the light of the stars in space, so how can you say a formula established on earth works in a different, very different enviroment??
 Quoting: ADO


This isn't the most Arrogantly Ignorant post I've seen on GLP but it does rate a Dishonourable Mention.


R.
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you must have missed recollecter a few pages back. his ignorance is as vast as space itself
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I hesitate to look.
A Bronze Medalist, perhaps?

It's the usual thing. Asteroid doom is a perennial GLP favourite.
As is Comet doom... with the obligatory "debris trail doom".

It brings out the scientifically illiterate and innumerate who, for some reason, revel in putting on display their abject ignorance... kinda' like obese people wearing bikinis and Speedos at the beach.
One can only look on in appalled fascination.

It does provide a lot of amusement, however.

Have fun.


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As it gets closer, the Earths gravity will pull its trajectory closer and closer to collision, the projected course does not account for this obvious fact and i remain fearful that it will actually collide with the planet. If its heading towards an orbit lower than satellites its pretty clear that it could be pulled into collision course quite abruptly as it nears. Watch for elites disappearing into secret bunkers as the final warning that shtf. If it does miss Earth Ive no doubt that NASA will alter the course of other recurring asteroids to collide with the planet and set off the destruction they in coordination with other elites so desperately seek. [link to blogdogcicle.blogspot.ca] - False Flag Asteroid Attack Looms
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The bigger it is, the more mass. == A different trajectory due to gravity.
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yoda mass has no effect on gravity...
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The bigger it is, the more mass. == A different trajectory due to gravity.
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yoda mass has no effect on gravity...
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I don't think it will hit us. It doesn't mean that Astro is right either. I'm willing to bet he'll use this fail as credit to his genius mind. These rocks are getting closer and closer. It's a matter of time before its in Earths orbit and Gurantee the Goverment won't tell us when it is.
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When the rock will pass with 20% more or less of the "PhD" estimations, you will know he is a shill.

I already know that.
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I don't think it will hit us. It doesn't mean that Astro is right either. I'm willing to bet he'll use this fail as credit to his genius mind. These rocks are getting closer and closer. It's a matter of time before its in Earths orbit and Gurantee the Goverment won't tell us when it is.
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When the rock will pass with 20% more or less of the "PhD" estimations, you will know he is a shill.

I already know that.
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You are about to owe me a huge apology.
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[link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov]

NASA seems to have pulled down their page on 2012 DA14's impact risks only about an hour ago..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29759371


I thought they took it down a while ago actually. They always do that for asteroids whose risk of impact in the foreseeable future (~100 years) is eliminated. There is no risk of impact on Friday and thanks to the latest astrometric data, there's no risk of impact in our lifetimes.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Considering there's still a significant amount of asteroids out there not yet tracked, you can't make that statement with 100% certainty. What a bunch of BS. DA14 wasn't even discovered until last year. New asteroids will continue to be discovered this year and in the near future. To say there is absolutely zero risk of impact within our lifetime is statistically incorrect.
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[link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov]

NASA seems to have pulled down their page on 2012 DA14's impact risks only about an hour ago..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29759371


I thought they took it down a while ago actually. They always do that for asteroids whose risk of impact in the foreseeable future (~100 years) is eliminated. There is no risk of impact on Friday and thanks to the latest astrometric data, there's no risk of impact in our lifetimes.
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Considering there's still a significant amount of asteroids out there not yet tracked, you can't make that statement with 100% certainty. What a bunch of BS.
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What the fuck are you talking about? I'm talking about 2012 DA14 specifically.
DA14 wasn't even discovered until last year.
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Your point?
New asteroids will continue to be discovered this year and in the near future. To say there is absolutely zero risk of impact within our lifetime is statistically incorrect.
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Wow, really, your reading comprehension is that bad that you seriously thought I was referring to ALL asteroids? Unbelievable. I was specifically referring to 2012 DA14.
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So, you re saying that the mass of the earth (and the moon)is perfectly known (must be), in order to calculate the exact effect on a unknown (tiny) mass of an object. And the way to calculate that perfect number is the same formula you are quoting to determinate the effect of that mass, with a constant G, calculated about 250 years ago, and accepted as standard way to set the earth mass about 50 years ago. So pretty circular mathematical and tautological phd bullshit. Im not saying the thing will hit, far from that, but the arrogance of the so called experts is annoying to say the least. You can´t even see the light of the stars in space, so how can you say a formula established on earth works in a different, very different enviroment??
 Quoting: ADO


This isn't the most Arrogantly Ignorant post I've seen on GLP but it does rate a Dishonourable Mention.


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you must have missed recollecter a few pages back. his ignorance is as vast as space itself
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Sure, except that Friday we will see who was right.I was saying ONLY that the calculations have a big fat chance to be wrong.

I NEVER, EVER, said that it will hit the Earth.

So, the latest are that the Astro the PhD-er estimate a pasing distance of roughly 17,000 (+/- 500 miles).

Giving that he have no data, I am telling that he is WRONG, but not wrong about HITING the Earth, only, ONLY about his moronic superiority af a dude that ABSOLUTES his numbers and does not acept that he is wrong.

If the asteroid will pass at 12,000 miles, Astro is wrong , he is a shill.

If it pass at 25,000 miles, Astro is wrong, so he is a shill, again.

His calculations are made knowing ONLY one thing : the asteroid speed.

He have NO IDEA about SIZE and MASS (yes, it doesn't matter bla-bla, I know).

But, we will see tomorrow, becasue I will bump this thread after the asteroid pases and official data is given, so that a PhD-er NEVER, EVER to assume thet he knows shit.
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I don't believe it would hit the Earth but it may collide with or cause damage to satellites when it will pass inside the ring of geosynchronous communications satellites that orbit Earth.
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I had another one of my infamous "There's a 1000ft. tsunami coming!" dreams AGAINNN lastnight.

This time I was in a boat (why the fuck) and the classic flipping over of the boat started happening. Breaking my body on the ceiling, on the floor, water pouring in.

Anybody wanna go dreaming with me sometime? It's a fucking blast.
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You should rather hang out in my dreams. Where I hang usually, all malls are hyper gates, 5o ft green dim witted aliens and 5 ft dwarves occupy earth and besides the mountain sized ships and homes hanging under the clouds the most impressive is the ocean.

Freaks me out every time, I stand on a local beach and my mind quails at the 200 ft 'waves' less than a mile out from shore. It's ok though, they never come to shore and instead behave like standing columns, trading up and down motions but never coming closer.

It's fearsome to look at though as you break out some marshmallows by the beach fire, keeping an eye out for flying vampiric manta-reys of course.
...I was amazed that so little time had passed and that the identity and reality I was 'returning' to were so undeniably false
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So, you re saying that the mass of the earth (and the moon)is perfectly known (must be), in order to calculate the exact effect on a unknown (tiny) mass of an object. And the way to calculate that perfect number is the same formula you are quoting to determinate the effect of that mass, with a constant G, calculated about 250 years ago, and accepted as standard way to set the earth mass about 50 years ago. So pretty circular mathematical and tautological phd bullshit. Im not saying the thing will hit, far from that, but the arrogance of the so called experts is annoying to say the least. You can´t even see the light of the stars in space, so how can you say a formula established on earth works in a different, very different enviroment??
 Quoting: ADO


This isn't the most Arrogantly Ignorant post I've seen on GLP but it does rate a Dishonourable Mention.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420


you must have missed recollecter a few pages back. his ignorance is as vast as space itself
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7190830


Sure, except that Friday we will see who was right.I was saying ONLY that the calculations have a big fat chance to be wrong.
 Quoting: recollector

No, they really don't.
I NEVER, EVER, said that it will hit the Earth.
 Quoting: recollector

You said my calculations will be off by 20%. When that fails to come true, I wonder what your excuse will be.
His calculations are made knowing ONLY one thing : the asteroid speed.
 Quoting: recollector

Good god you're an idiot of monumental proportions. And dead wrong too. That is not how I made my calculations. My calculations came from the astrometric data of the asteroid's position over time, and I factored in the gravity of all the planets, the resulting orbital determination tells you a lot more than just the "speed."
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So, you re saying that the mass of the earth (and the moon)is perfectly known (must be), in order to calculate the exact effect on a unknown (tiny) mass of an object. And the way to calculate that perfect number is the same formula you are quoting to determinate the effect of that mass, with a constant G, calculated about 250 years ago, and accepted as standard way to set the earth mass about 50 years ago. So pretty circular mathematical and tautological phd bullshit. Im not saying the thing will hit, far from that, but the arrogance of the so called experts is annoying to say the least. You can´t even see the light of the stars in space, so how can you say a formula established on earth works in a different, very different enviroment??
 Quoting: ADO


This isn't the most Arrogantly Ignorant post I've seen on GLP but it does rate a Dishonourable Mention.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420


you must have missed recollecter a few pages back. his ignorance is as vast as space itself
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7190830


I hesitate to look.
A Bronze Medalist, perhaps?

It's the usual thing. Asteroid doom is a perennial GLP favourite.
As is Comet doom... with the obligatory "debris trail doom".

It brings out the scientifically illiterate and innumerate who, for some reason, revel in putting on display their abject ignorance... kinda' like obese people wearing bikinis and Speedos at the beach.
One can only look on in appalled fascination.

It does provide a lot of amusement, however.

Have fun.


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You should have read them.The fact that you didn't, only proves that many people think they already know everything and that they are somehow smarter or more intelligent than other people...well, many are wrong, including you.

I DID NOT SAID THAT IT WILL HIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


How many times to repeat myself?


I was just QUESTIONING Astro calculations, calculations that he defend with SUPERIORITY and without chance that he is wrong.

He MIGHT be very well WRONG.

He said 17,000 miles.If is will pass at 25,000, he was wrong with 8,000 miles.That is a close to 50% BIGGER than what he is ABSOLUTELY SURE.

Sure, it won't hit the Earth, but that should make Astro to NEVER EVER in his lifetime, post anything about numbers.

He will won the confruntation with those thinking it will hit...but he will LOSE the damn confruntation with me.
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This isn't the most Arrogantly Ignorant post I've seen on GLP but it does rate a Dishonourable Mention.


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you must have missed recollecter a few pages back. his ignorance is as vast as space itself
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Sure, except that Friday we will see who was right.I was saying ONLY that the calculations have a big fat chance to be wrong.
 Quoting: recollector

No, they really don't.
I NEVER, EVER, said that it will hit the Earth.
 Quoting: recollector

You said my calculations will be off by 20%. When that fails to come true, I wonder what your excuse will be.
His calculations are made knowing ONLY one thing : the asteroid speed.
 Quoting: recollector

Good god you're an idiot of monumental proportions. And dead wrong too. That is not how I made my calculations. My calculations came from the astrometric data of the asteroid's position over time, and I factored in the gravity of all the planets, the resulting orbital determination tells you a lot more than just the "speed."
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Ok, so it's on.

You are keeping to your calculations, I say they might be wrong.

If it will pass in your calculated limits, I will present my excuses.

I did NOT said your calculations are 20% off...I said they MIGHT be 20% off.


BUT, since you are soooooooo sure you will be right, I can bet that you might be 5% off.

OFC you will NEVER accept that bet and the apologies to me later, because you are a SCIENTIST.

You KNOW that you might be wrong.Even 5% off is DEVASTATING for a scientist.

Wanna bet on 5% off or bigger?


Who loses is an idiot and should forever shut his mouth.

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This isn't the most Arrogantly Ignorant post I've seen on GLP but it does rate a Dishonourable Mention.


R.
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you must have missed recollecter a few pages back. his ignorance is as vast as space itself
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Sure, except that Friday we will see who was right.I was saying ONLY that the calculations have a big fat chance to be wrong.
 Quoting: recollector

No, they really don't.
I NEVER, EVER, said that it will hit the Earth.
 Quoting: recollector

You said my calculations will be off by 20%. When that fails to come true, I wonder what your excuse will be.
His calculations are made knowing ONLY one thing : the asteroid speed.
 Quoting: recollector

Good god you're an idiot of monumental proportions. And dead wrong too. That is not how I made my calculations. My calculations came from the astrometric data of the asteroid's position over time, and I factored in the gravity of all the planets, the resulting orbital determination tells you a lot more than just the "speed."
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Isn't it true that Nasa's astromentric data and trajectory formulas require constant adjustment in practice as in with planetary exploration vehicles? Do these formula sets rely on a heliocentric model or a helical model?
...I was amazed that so little time had passed and that the identity and reality I was 'returning' to were so undeniably false
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Well today is the day we know for sure.
Wouldnt be surprised if we have communication problems in some way.
Sure hope it dont smash into the Atlantic.
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you must have missed recollecter a few pages back. his ignorance is as vast as space itself
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Sure, except that Friday we will see who was right.I was saying ONLY that the calculations have a big fat chance to be wrong.
 Quoting: recollector

No, they really don't.
I NEVER, EVER, said that it will hit the Earth.
 Quoting: recollector

You said my calculations will be off by 20%. When that fails to come true, I wonder what your excuse will be.
His calculations are made knowing ONLY one thing : the asteroid speed.
 Quoting: recollector

Good god you're an idiot of monumental proportions. And dead wrong too. That is not how I made my calculations. My calculations came from the astrometric data of the asteroid's position over time, and I factored in the gravity of all the planets, the resulting orbital determination tells you a lot more than just the "speed."
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Isn't it true that Nasa's astromentric data and trajectory formulas require constant adjustment in practice as in with planetary exploration vehicles? Do these formula sets rely on a heliocentric model or a helical model?
 Quoting: 'En Kai Pan

Uncertainty always increases with time. Has nothing to do with "helical woo woo," the planets do not "spiral behind" the sun, they orbit alongside the sun. When traced out over time from a reference frame set at the galactic center it forms a helix, but the planets are not trailing behind the sun. A reference frame within the solar system is normally used for all intrasolar system calculations. Our common motion of travel through the galaxy cancels out anyway.
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So, Astro, you just jumped my reply about a 5% off bet?

I KNEW you have no idea if your calculations still stand.


You did what every scientist did, does and will forever do :

AVOID a bet on your calculations.
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Re: Asteroid 2012 DA14 is getting bigger and bigger. WTF?
I think there is a high chance it will hit satelittes.

So look here:

[link to www.camein.com]

Now, if the asteroid will hit some of the satelittes, this could be a dominan-effect. The junk of the hidden ones will hit other ones and than comuniction on earth will stand still for a while = CHAOS!

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