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Asteroid 2012 DA14 is getting bigger and bigger. WTF?

 
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Re: Asteroid 2012 DA14 is getting bigger and bigger. WTF?
If it will pass in your calculated limits, I will present my excuses.
 Quoting: recollector

It's not even Friday yet and the backpeddling has begun. Look at yourself, you're calling me a godddamn shill if the pass does not go as I predict, yet you admit you'll just make excuses if it DOES go as I predict. Idiots like you never learn from your mistakes. If it goes as I predict it won't matter to you at all and you will learn nothing from it.
BUT, since you are soooooooo sure you will be right, I can bet that you might be 5% off.

OFC you will NEVER accept that bet and the apologies to me later, because you are a SCIENTIST.
 Quoting: recollector

Moving the goalposts. I say yes and you'll just drop the number again until you finally reach the actual region of uncertainty. If I try to hold to you 5% you'll claim victory for not going even lower once you go into the region of uncertainty. Your "bet" means nothing because you won't honor it, just like you failed to honor your previous claim. I proved you wrong already just by standing by my figures when you said, and I fucking quote:
"Sure, it won't hit the Earth, but that should make Astro to NEVER EVER in his lifetime, post anything about numbers."
But hey, just to prove you wrong again, you're on. I'm not even going to be 5% off.
Who loses is an idiot and should forever shut his mouth.
 Quoting: recollector

I'll hold you to that. I'll be quite surprised if you actually honor it though.
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Sure, it won't hit the Earth, but that should make Astro to NEVER EVER in his lifetime, post anything about numbers.
 Quoting: recollector

I already did you fucking idiot.
He will won the confruntation with those thinking it will hit...but he will LOSE the damn confruntation with me.
 Quoting: recollector

You already lost. You said, and I quote,
"Sure, it won't hit the Earth, but that should make Astro to NEVER EVER in his lifetime, post anything about numbers."
Well, I did.
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So, you re saying that the mass of the earth (and the moon)is perfectly known (must be),
 Quoting: ADO

Perfectly enough.
We do have scales, you know.

in order to calculate the exact effect on a unknown (tiny) mass of an object. And the way to calculate that perfect number is the same formula you are quoting to determinate the effect of that mass, with a constant G, calculated about 250 years ago,
 Quoting: ADO

G has been measured.

You can´t even see the light of the stars in space,
 Quoting: ADO

WTF!

so how can you say a formula established on earth works in a different, very different enviroment??
 Quoting: ADO

That "formula" was derived from observing celestial motion.
"As below, so above."

We can predict solar eclipses centuries in advance.
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If they can not estimate the size correctly, how can we believe that they estimated the exact path?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33891652

This!
 Quoting: ODA_062

If you magically replaced the Earth with a bowling ball, would its orbit change?
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

yes,
 Quoting: phoenixe

I would like to know why you think so.

Let's try again.
ISS and astronaut.
The astronaut's mass is 1/1,000th of that of the ISS.
The astronaut gently pushes off and is now a separate object in orbit around the Earth.
Is his/her orbit different from the ISS's?
If so, why so?

if you put a bowling ball with the mass of a typical bowling ball at our earths place in the universe,and this asteroid comes its way, something would change.
 Quoting: phoenixe

Yes, something...
DA14's trajectory would be a near straight line rather than curved as shown here: [link to neo.jpl.nasa.gov]

And that is all due the Earth's mass, NOT the asteroids.
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What is the actual impact risk of tomorrow's flyby? All I've read is "zero chance" and "near-zero chance". What is the actual percentage?
 Quoting: Australian Coward 29759371

0.

Also the increase in size does seem weird.. Does this normally happen with other newly discovered asteroids as they approach near earth?
 Quoting: Australian Coward 29759371

Its size didn't increase. Our understanding of its size did.

A distant asteroid is just a point of light in the telescope.
We know where it is, i.e. its distance from the Sun and its distance from us.
We know how bright it appears. We know how reflective the average asteroid is.
This gets you a size estimate that should be correct within 3 orders of magnitude, it's a ballpark figure.
"50 metres" might mean an highly reflective 10 metre object, or a very dark 200 metre object.
If it gets closer you get a lot more data to work with so you can narrow it down much more precisely.
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Isn't it true that Nasa's astromentric data and trajectory formulas require constant adjustment in practice as in with planetary exploration vehicles?
 Quoting: 'En Kai Pan

No.
And it isn't NASA's "astromentric data and trajectory formulas".
Everybody with a telescope, or a subscription the the MPC Newsletter, can get the data.
Everybody with access to a library can get the "formulas" from books printed long before there was a NASA.

Do these formula sets rely on a heliocentric model or a helical model?
 Quoting: 'En Kai Pan

They rely on gravity to work.
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Sure, except that Friday we will see who was right.
 Quoting: recollector

We already know who is right.

I was saying ONLY that the calculations have a big fat chance to be wrong.
 Quoting: recollector

And there you are wrong.

Giving that he have no data, I am telling that he is WRONG,
 Quoting: recollector

Idiot, he has shown you his data.

but not wrong about HITING the Earth, only, ONLY about his moronic superiority af a dude that ABSOLUTES his numbers and does not acept that he is wrong.
 Quoting: recollector

Because he isn't wrong.
Everybody who isn't a scientific illiterate knows he isn't wrong.

If the asteroid will pass at 12,000 miles, Astro is wrong , he is a shill.
 Quoting: recollector

If you are wrong, and you are, are you a shill for antiscience and irrationality?

If it pass at 25,000 miles, Astro is wrong, so he is a shill, again.
 Quoting: recollector

If you are wrong, and you are, are you a shill for antiscience and irrationality?

His calculations are made knowing ONLY one thing : the asteroid speed.
 Quoting: recollector

Why do you lie?
He has shown you his data.

He have NO IDEA about SIZE and MASS (yes, it doesn't matter bla-bla, I know).
 Quoting: recollector

Irrelevant is irrelevant.
It's only the scientifically illiterates who think it isn't irrelevant.

But, we will see tomorrow, becasue I will bump this thread after the asteroid pases and official data is given, so that a PhD-er NEVER, EVER to assume thet he knows shit.
 Quoting: recollector

No, you won't.
Because you are wrong.

I will though.
Just to put you straight.
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If it will pass in your calculated limits, I will present my excuses.
 Quoting: recollector

It's not even Friday yet and the backpeddling has begun. Look at yourself, you're calling me a godddamn shill if the pass does not go as I predict, yet you admit you'll just make excuses if it DOES go as I predict. Idiots like you never learn from your mistakes. If it goes as I predict it won't matter to you at all and you will learn nothing from it.
BUT, since you are soooooooo sure you will be right, I can bet that you might be 5% off.

OFC you will NEVER accept that bet and the apologies to me later, because you are a SCIENTIST.
 Quoting: recollector

Moving the goalposts. I say yes and you'll just drop the number again until you finally reach the actual region of uncertainty. If I try to hold to you 5% you'll claim victory for not going even lower once you go into the region of uncertainty. Your "bet" means nothing because you won't honor it, just like you failed to honor your previous claim. I proved you wrong already just by standing by my figures when you said, and I fucking quote:
"Sure, it won't hit the Earth, but that should make Astro to NEVER EVER in his lifetime, post anything about numbers."
But hey, just to prove you wrong again, you're on. I'm not even going to be 5% off.
Who loses is an idiot and should forever shut his mouth.
 Quoting: recollector

I'll hold you to that. I'll be quite surprised if you actually honor it though.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Instead rambling about what I SAID, how about a quote where I said that I am sure, and in SURE, about 20% off?

There isn't such a comment made by me.

Also, it is NOT backpeddaling.

It is a BET.This is the ONLY time I say that you , AGAIN, MIGHT be wrong.

So, you were sure that you will win a 20% off bet (that I NEVER asked)....BUT YOU AREN'T SURE ABOUT a 5% bet (that I am ASKING IT).


So, WHAT ABOUT a 5% off bet? You are sure about your calculations.Be a man Astro.


Are you in or are you chicken out?
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Sure, except that Friday we will see who was right.
 Quoting: recollector

We already know who is right.

I was saying ONLY that the calculations have a big fat chance to be wrong.
 Quoting: recollector

And there you are wrong.

Giving that he have no data, I am telling that he is WRONG,
 Quoting: recollector

Idiot, he has shown you his data.

but not wrong about HITING the Earth, only, ONLY about his moronic superiority af a dude that ABSOLUTES his numbers and does not acept that he is wrong.
 Quoting: recollector

Because he isn't wrong.
Everybody who isn't a scientific illiterate knows he isn't wrong.

If the asteroid will pass at 12,000 miles, Astro is wrong , he is a shill.
 Quoting: recollector

If you are wrong, and you are, are you a shill for antiscience and irrationality?

If it pass at 25,000 miles, Astro is wrong, so he is a shill, again.
 Quoting: recollector

If you are wrong, and you are, are you a shill for antiscience and irrationality?

His calculations are made knowing ONLY one thing : the asteroid speed.
 Quoting: recollector

Why do you lie?
He has shown you his data.

He have NO IDEA about SIZE and MASS (yes, it doesn't matter bla-bla, I know).
 Quoting: recollector

Irrelevant is irrelevant.
It's only the scientifically illiterates who think it isn't irrelevant.

But, we will see tomorrow, becasue I will bump this thread after the asteroid pases and official data is given, so that a PhD-er NEVER, EVER to assume thet he knows shit.
 Quoting: recollector

No, you won't.
Because you are wrong.

I will though.
Just to put you straight.
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


i hope it will hit so much,i really do i hope it hits

i hope it fucking opens that louisiana sinkhole and yellowstone so we all go fuck ourselves

people like you and astrofuck make me resent this reality
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i don't know why you guys keep hounding on astro because it just ends up sounding like you want DOOM and when someone reveals the actual truth to you, you can't take it. You're all going to look like fools when this asteroid passes and you should all thank astro for all his contributions in debunking that this asteroid will hit. Has Dr. Astro ever been wrong?? he's been right every time and with that track record you still find it hard to believe him..wow
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Sure, except that Friday we will see who was right.
 Quoting: recollector

We already know who is right.

I was saying ONLY that the calculations have a big fat chance to be wrong.
 Quoting: recollector

And there you are wrong.

Giving that he have no data, I am telling that he is WRONG,
 Quoting: recollector

Idiot, he has shown you his data.

but not wrong about HITING the Earth, only, ONLY about his moronic superiority af a dude that ABSOLUTES his numbers and does not acept that he is wrong.
 Quoting: recollector

Because he isn't wrong.
Everybody who isn't a scientific illiterate knows he isn't wrong.

If the asteroid will pass at 12,000 miles, Astro is wrong , he is a shill.
 Quoting: recollector

If you are wrong, and you are, are you a shill for antiscience and irrationality?

If it pass at 25,000 miles, Astro is wrong, so he is a shill, again.
 Quoting: recollector

If you are wrong, and you are, are you a shill for antiscience and irrationality?

His calculations are made knowing ONLY one thing : the asteroid speed.
 Quoting: recollector

Why do you lie?
He has shown you his data.

He have NO IDEA about SIZE and MASS (yes, it doesn't matter bla-bla, I know).
 Quoting: recollector

Irrelevant is irrelevant.
It's only the scientifically illiterates who think it isn't irrelevant.

But, we will see tomorrow, becasue I will bump this thread after the asteroid pases and official data is given, so that a PhD-er NEVER, EVER to assume thet he knows shit.
 Quoting: recollector

No, you won't.
Because you are wrong.

I will though.
Just to put you straight.
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD



Another guy that thinks he is God, or at least Jesus, since Astro took the God place.

As it seems, you support Astro calculation.


Wanna bet that you might be also wrong? Let's say with 5% or more? And who loses to is an idiot and forever shut his mouth?

Or you are like Astro, a chicken?


You and Astro DON'T KNOW what I know !

So, bet?
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its not about being right or wrong- its not about who broadcast the prediction first, or who broadcast the news first-- its about helping each other.

BTW--- zetas told me the asteroid will hit in the PNW---
take care
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its not about being right or wrong- its not about who broadcast the prediction first, or who broadcast the news first-- its about helping each other.

BTW--- zetas told me the asteroid will hit in the PNW---
take care
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i get that but at the dr. astro is trying to HELP hes done all the calculations..what more do you people want?
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i don't know why you guys keep hounding on astro because it just ends up sounding like you want DOOM and when someone reveals the actual truth to you, you can't take it. You're all going to look like fools when this asteroid passes and you should all thank astro for all his contributions in debunking that this asteroid will hit. Has Dr. Astro ever been wrong?? he's been right every time and with that track record you still find it hard to believe him..wow
 Quoting: eebs 34311152


Well, I personaly only said the HE MIGHT BE WORONG.

Astro and his minions are thinking that he is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

And since he is a scientist, I asked a bet on 5% off his calculations, NOT if the asteroid will HIT or NOT the Earth.

I have the SAME opinion as he have, EXCEPT I know and accept that I MIGHT BE WRONG.

He doesn't accept that.

Well, actually he accept that he might be wrong, he just is too late to say that or accept my bet without being laught at.
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its not about being right or wrong- its not about who broadcast the prediction first, or who broadcast the news first-- its about helping each other.

BTW--- zetas told me the asteroid will hit in the PNW---
take care
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2307487


i get that but at the dr. astro is trying to HELP hes done all the calculations..what more do you people want?
 Quoting: eebs 34311152


I only want one simple thing.

And that is for him to ACCEPT that he might be wrong, like ANYONE sane will do on things that are STILL unknown.

I didn't argued on a 1+1=2.

I only argued that he cannot accept the fact that he might be wrong.

And this is a mental issue.
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I call bullshit. DA14 set to miss Earth by 14000 miles, yet the ISS orbits at a inclinational height of 255 miles.

Who is doing the maths here?
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The egos in this thread are much bigger than this poor asteroid..
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If it will pass in your calculated limits, I will present my excuses.
 Quoting: recollector

It's not even Friday yet and the backpeddling has begun. Look at yourself, you're calling me a godddamn shill if the pass does not go as I predict, yet you admit you'll just make excuses if it DOES go as I predict. Idiots like you never learn from your mistakes. If it goes as I predict it won't matter to you at all and you will learn nothing from it.
BUT, since you are soooooooo sure you will be right, I can bet that you might be 5% off.

OFC you will NEVER accept that bet and the apologies to me later, because you are a SCIENTIST.
 Quoting: recollector

Moving the goalposts. I say yes and you'll just drop the number again until you finally reach the actual region of uncertainty. If I try to hold to you 5% you'll claim victory for not going even lower once you go into the region of uncertainty. Your "bet" means nothing because you won't honor it, just like you failed to honor your previous claim. I proved you wrong already just by standing by my figures when you said, and I fucking quote:
"Sure, it won't hit the Earth, but that should make Astro to NEVER EVER in his lifetime, post anything about numbers."
But hey, just to prove you wrong again, you're on. I'm not even going to be 5% off.
Who loses is an idiot and should forever shut his mouth.
 Quoting: recollector

I'll hold you to that. I'll be quite surprised if you actually honor it though.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Instead rambling about what I SAID, how about a quote where I said that I am sure, and in SURE, about 20% off?

There isn't such a comment made by me.

Also, it is NOT backpeddaling.

It is a BET.This is the ONLY time I say that you , AGAIN, MIGHT be wrong.
 Quoting: recollector

And now you backpeddle off the 5% figure, just as predicted.
So, you were sure that you will win a 20% off bet (that I NEVER asked)....BUT YOU AREN'T SURE ABOUT a 5% bet (that I am ASKING IT).
 Quoting: recollector

I'm not sure because I know you'll just make excuses and push the goalposts again. You already started backing off of it above just as I predicted.
So, WHAT ABOUT a 5% off bet? You are sure about your calculations.Be a man Astro.
 Quoting: recollector

Hey dipshit, learn to read, I already took the bet. It's too late for you, I'm not going to let you escape it. You wanted the bull? Now you've got the horns.
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But hey, just to prove you wrong again, you're on. I'm not even going to be 5% off.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Just to remind Recollector he's already on the hook for his 5% bet.
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If it will pass in your calculated limits, I will present my excuses.
 Quoting: recollector

It's not even Friday yet and the backpeddling has begun. Look at yourself, you're calling me a godddamn shill if the pass does not go as I predict, yet you admit you'll just make excuses if it DOES go as I predict. Idiots like you never learn from your mistakes. If it goes as I predict it won't matter to you at all and you will learn nothing from it.
BUT, since you are soooooooo sure you will be right, I can bet that you might be 5% off.

OFC you will NEVER accept that bet and the apologies to me later, because you are a SCIENTIST.
 Quoting: recollector

Moving the goalposts. I say yes and you'll just drop the number again until you finally reach the actual region of uncertainty. If I try to hold to you 5% you'll claim victory for not going even lower once you go into the region of uncertainty. Your "bet" means nothing because you won't honor it, just like you failed to honor your previous claim. I proved you wrong already just by standing by my figures when you said, and I fucking quote:
"Sure, it won't hit the Earth, but that should make Astro to NEVER EVER in his lifetime, post anything about numbers."
But hey, just to prove you wrong again, you're on. I'm not even going to be 5% off.
Who loses is an idiot and should forever shut his mouth.
 Quoting: recollector

I'll hold you to that. I'll be quite surprised if you actually honor it though.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Instead rambling about what I SAID, how about a quote where I said that I am sure, and in SURE, about 20% off?

There isn't such a comment made by me.

Also, it is NOT backpeddaling.

It is a BET.This is the ONLY time I say that you , AGAIN, MIGHT be wrong.
 Quoting: recollector

And now you backpeddle off the 5% figure, just as predicted.
So, you were sure that you will win a 20% off bet (that I NEVER asked)....BUT YOU AREN'T SURE ABOUT a 5% bet (that I am ASKING IT).
 Quoting: recollector

I'm not sure because I know you'll just make excuses and push the goalposts again. You already started backing off of it above just as I predicted.
So, WHAT ABOUT a 5% off bet? You are sure about your calculations.Be a man Astro.
 Quoting: recollector

Hey dipshit, learn to read, I already took the bet. It's too late for you, I'm not going to let you escape it. You wanted the bull? Now you've got the horns.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Astro, just let it go. Why does this matter so much to you?
Please stop talking in vulgarities. Why does the opinion of an anonymous person matter so much? Isn't your job demanding enough that you need to spar online???
Really? I am embarrassed for you.
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It's not even Friday yet and the backpeddling has begun. Look at yourself, you're calling me a godddamn shill if the pass does not go as I predict, yet you admit you'll just make excuses if it DOES go as I predict. Idiots like you never learn from your mistakes. If it goes as I predict it won't matter to you at all and you will learn nothing from it.
...

Moving the goalposts. I say yes and you'll just drop the number again until you finally reach the actual region of uncertainty. If I try to hold to you 5% you'll claim victory for not going even lower once you go into the region of uncertainty. Your "bet" means nothing because you won't honor it, just like you failed to honor your previous claim. I proved you wrong already just by standing by my figures when you said, and I fucking quote:
"Sure, it won't hit the Earth, but that should make Astro to NEVER EVER in his lifetime, post anything about numbers."
But hey, just to prove you wrong again, you're on. I'm not even going to be 5% off.
...

I'll hold you to that. I'll be quite surprised if you actually honor it though.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Instead rambling about what I SAID, how about a quote where I said that I am sure, and in SURE, about 20% off?

There isn't such a comment made by me.

Also, it is NOT backpeddaling.

It is a BET.This is the ONLY time I say that you , AGAIN, MIGHT be wrong.
 Quoting: recollector

And now you backpeddle off the 5% figure, just as predicted.
So, you were sure that you will win a 20% off bet (that I NEVER asked)....BUT YOU AREN'T SURE ABOUT a 5% bet (that I am ASKING IT).
 Quoting: recollector

I'm not sure because I know you'll just make excuses and push the goalposts again. You already started backing off of it above just as I predicted.
So, WHAT ABOUT a 5% off bet? You are sure about your calculations.Be a man Astro.
 Quoting: recollector

Hey dipshit, learn to read, I already took the bet. It's too late for you, I'm not going to let you escape it. You wanted the bull? Now you've got the horns.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Astro, just let it go. Why does this matter so much to you?
Please stop talking in vulgarities. Why does the opinion of an anonymous person matter so much? Isn't your job demanding enough that you need to spar online???
Really? I am embarrassed for you.

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You again.
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But hey, just to prove you wrong again, you're on. I'm not even going to be 5% off.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Just to remind Recollector he's already on the hook for his 5% bet.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Ok, it's on than.

Nothing more to talk about this until we have the official data after he passes.


Isn't interesting that I didn't yet called you names, like you did like 20 times?

I understand that you know that you are right...but seriously, calling people names is not what I expected from a PhDer.

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[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Asteroid that could do as much damage as 1,000 atomic bombs will whizz past tomorrow (and could knock out your TV signal)
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If they can not estimate the size correctly, how can we believe that they estimated the exact path?
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One question arises about this asteroid :

Why did he was discovered in March 2012, when asteroids are estimated to be 4,5 billion years old?

2012 DA14 last year orbital period was calculated to be 368 days.This year is estimated to be 318 days.

So, it is safely to assume that he was passing Earth about 1 time / year or at least 6 times in the last 10 years.

Now, if this year 2012 DA14 passes 17,500 miles off earth, it is logical to assume that last year he also passed very close.And 2 years before also.

Actually, based on current estimates, he passed every year very close to Earth, at least in the last 20 years.

HOW THE HELL THEY DIDN'T FOUND IT 5 years ago? Or 10 years ago?

We are observing the space beween Earth and Moon and we know EVERYTHING that passes in our space !

This not a damn pulsar 10 billion light year away.

It is an asteroid that passed in the last 10 years very close to Earth.

They either know about it for long time, or it's an artificial asteroid.

Occam's Razor favorize that they KNEW about it and HIDE IT!

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So, you re saying that the mass of the earth (and the moon)is perfectly known (must be), in order to calculate the exact effect on a unknown (tiny) mass of an object. And the way to calculate that perfect number is the same formula you are quoting to determinate the effect of that mass, with a constant G, calculated about 250 years ago, and accepted as standard way to set the earth mass about 50 years ago. So pretty circular mathematical and tautological phd bullshit. Im not saying the thing will hit, far from that, but the arrogance of the so called experts is annoying to say the least. You can´t even see the light of the stars in space, so how can you say a formula established on earth works in a different, very different enviroment??
 Quoting: ADO


This isn't the most Arrogantly Ignorant post I've seen on GLP but it does rate a Dishonourable Mention.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420


you must have missed recollecter a few pages back. his ignorance is as vast as space itself
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I hesitate to look.
A Bronze Medalist, perhaps?

It's the usual thing. Asteroid doom is a perennial GLP favourite.
As is Comet doom... with the obligatory "debris trail doom".

It brings out the scientifically illiterate and innumerate who, for some reason, revel in putting on display their abject ignorance... kinda' like obese people wearing bikinis and Speedos at the beach.
One can only look on in appalled fascination.

It does provide a lot of amusement, however.

Have fun.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420

So, not only the the so called pundits of the forum don´t understand logic 101, also lack the minimum range of attention to read that im not saying the thing will hit, you must be an idiot to affirm (and want) that. If you´re the top notch of the forums, well..., then i know why real top scientist dont enter here, would be laughable for them...and i remember that science, the real one, is open to all possibilties, without prejudicce, so is the only way to advance in knowledeg, but you arrogants punks take an ecuation from 300 years ago calculated and tested on earth and think is the shit for the eternity and beyond.
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That's because the flat earth bible writers couldn't see the other planets in our own galixy, much less the billions of other gaxliys.
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Psalm 19:1
"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands."

Psalms 8:3-4
"When I look at the night sky and see the work of your fingers – the moon and the stars you have set in place – what are mortals that you should think of us, mere humans that you should care for us?"

They certainly knew how majestic the heavens are. They didn't know how to spell galaxy any more than you do, but then again, the Bible is not supposed to be a scientific dictionary. You can lay off the derogatory slurs against Christians, we do appreciate the glory of space very much.
 Quoting: Astronut


But hey, just to prove you wrong again, you're on. I'm not even going to be 5% off.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Just to remind Recollector he's already on the hook for his 5% bet.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Ok, it's on than.

Nothing more to talk about this until we have the official data after he passes.


Isn't interesting that I didn't yet called you names, like you did like 20 times?

I understand that you know that you are right...but seriously, calling people names is not what I expected from a PhDer.
 Quoting: recollector


or a Christian
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This isn't the most Arrogantly Ignorant post I've seen on GLP but it does rate a Dishonourable Mention.


R.
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you must have missed recollecter a few pages back. his ignorance is as vast as space itself
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7190830


I hesitate to look.
A Bronze Medalist, perhaps?

It's the usual thing. Asteroid doom is a perennial GLP favourite.
As is Comet doom... with the obligatory "debris trail doom".

It brings out the scientifically illiterate and innumerate who, for some reason, revel in putting on display their abject ignorance... kinda' like obese people wearing bikinis and Speedos at the beach.
One can only look on in appalled fascination.

It does provide a lot of amusement, however.

Have fun.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420

So, not only the the so called pundits of the forum don´t understand logic 101, also lack the minimum range of attention to read that im not saying the thing will hit, you must be an idiot to affirm (and want) that. If you´re the top notch of the forums, well..., then i know why real top scientist dont enter here, would be laughable for them...and i remember that science, the real one, is open to all possibilties, without prejudicce, so is the only way to advance in knowledeg, but you arrogants punks take an ecuation from 300 years ago calculated and tested on earth and think is the shit for the eternity and beyond.
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THANK YOU !
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I have a simple question based on a simple observation.

If the initial trajectory had been worked out for an object assumed to be 47m diameter, and now suddenly they say it is 65m diameter. Surely that will more than double the mass and the calculations would need to be thoroughly reworked?

Has this been done? Has the trajectory changed at all as a result?
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So, you re saying that the mass of the earth (and the moon)is perfectly known (must be),
 Quoting: ADO

Perfectly enough.
We do have scales, you know.

in order to calculate the exact effect on a unknown (tiny) mass of an object. And the way to calculate that perfect number is the same formula you are quoting to determinate the effect of that mass, with a constant G, calculated about 250 years ago,
 Quoting: ADO

G has been measured.

You can´t even see the light of the stars in space,
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WTF!

so how can you say a formula established on earth works in a different, very different enviroment??
 Quoting: ADO

That "formula" was derived from observing celestial motion.
"As below, so above."

We can predict solar eclipses centuries in advance.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

You even know what G is?? "has been measured"....no, it has been ESTIMATED...waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to different thing:
The accuracy of the measured value of G has increased only modestly since the original Cavendish experiment. G is quite difficult to measure, as gravity is much weaker than other fundamental forces, and an experimental apparatus cannot be separated from the gravitational influence of other bodies. Furthermore, gravity has no established relation to other fundamental forces, so it does not appear possible to calculate it indirectly from other constants that can be measured more accurately, as is done in some other areas of physics. Published values of G have varied rather broadly, and some recent measurements of high precision are, in fact, mutually exclusive.[3][6]
you know, google the thing and you can find interesting things besides the gagnman video stuff.
No, the formula was derived from observation and DEDUCED. In fact, the formula didnt explain the motion of the mercury so enter Einstein to solve the problem...get educated boy...
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The closer the bigger..... banana2

Like standing on a road and watching small cars on the horizon getting bigger and bigger while approaching prior to impact/flyby ;)
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OMG that is not the case. Objects do NOT grow in relationship to a point of observation.

This rock's profile is being updated.
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Idiots everywhere. You are crossing the line of astrological discussion into human intelligence debate.

Every science needs a waste basket for all the idiots trying to pretend to be professionals.

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