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What the Bible Really Says about Women

 
Keep2theCode (OP)

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God's Instruction For Women
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You didn't read the OP or the links to articles that discuss those scriptures. Merely posting them proves nothing.
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There are some important concepts in Genesis 3 which only come out if one understands TORAH. Unfortunately most Christians have thown out Torah for they believe erroneously that it has been done away with.

The woman (she is not yet the lifegiver) is deceived by the serpent, this means that her transgression of Torah (sin) is unintentional and can thus be forgiven under Torah.

Adam's sin is intentional, he knowingly disobeys Yehovah because he wants his own 'godship'. This is not forgivable under Torah, hence the need for Torah to be made flesh and dwell amongst us.

The woman confesses that she was deceived (by an inferior creation) and is forgiven.

Adam throws his new found godship in Yehovah's face breaking the first commandment ("she did it, the woman that YOU gave me"). He has just invented the first man-made religion by using his own knowledge of good and evil.

Both however now have the consequences of disobedience, they have lost their connection to the Tree of Life, and their knowledge is now dependant upon Adam's puny knowledge not Yehovah's omniscience. They are indeed gods but without Yehovah's omniscience.

Gods are those beings who define good and evil for themselves; based upon their own knowledge. Torah is the blueprint of creation ("all things were made by it, without it was not anything made that was made") it is thus the embodiment of Yehovah's knowledge, to reject Torah is to fall back on Adam's knowledge (of good and evil).

The severence from the Tree of Life is worked around by changing the woman's womb to give life (in pain however) hence the woman becomes Chavah (life giver).

It is also HER seed that will overcome.

Thus the problem is not the woman's unintentional sin, but Adam's intentional sin.
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There are some important concepts in Genesis 3 which only come out if one understands TORAH. Unfortunately most Christians have thown out Torah for they believe erroneously that it has been done away with.

The woman (she is not yet the lifegiver) is deceived by the serpent, this means that her transgression of Torah (sin) is unintentional and can thus be forgiven under Torah.

Adam's sin is intentional, he knowingly disobeys Yehovah because he wants his own 'godship'. This is not forgivable under Torah, hence the need for Torah to be made flesh and dwell amongst us.

The woman confesses that she was deceived (by an inferior creation) and is forgiven.

Adam throws his new found godship in Yehovah's face breaking the first commandment ("she did it, the woman that YOU gave me"). He has just invented the first man-made religion by using his own knowledge of good and evil.

Both however now have the consequences of disobedience, they have lost their connection to the Tree of Life, and their knowledge is now dependant upon Adam's puny knowledge not Yehovah's omniscience. They are indeed gods but without Yehovah's omniscience.

Gods are those beings who define good and evil for themselves; based upon their own knowledge. Torah is the blueprint of creation ("all things were made by it, without it was not anything made that was made") it is thus the embodiment of Yehovah's knowledge, to reject Torah is to fall back on Adam's knowledge (of good and evil).

The severence from the Tree of Life is worked around by changing the woman's womb to give life (in pain however) hence the woman becomes Chavah (life giver).

It is also HER seed that will overcome.

Thus the problem is not the woman's unintentional sin, but Adam's intentional sin.
 Quoting: Taruwah


I agree completely; see [link to books.fether.net] .

Though as a Christian I am not under Moses because I "died to the law", Genesis tells us of the creation of the world, the efforts of Satan to ruin what God made, and the plan of God to restore it in time. After that we see much history and also much prophecy, and the path God chose to bring Israel to the point when the Messiah could come and fulfill the "shadow" with reality. When the NT writers or Jesus refer to the OT, we have to know the original context to know what point or lesson they were giving. So anyone who throws out the OT completely is missing a lot of what God wants us to know.

A big problem is how many Christians want to keep putting us under "a burden neither we nor our ancestors could bear", appealing to culture when it's patriarchal but fighting culture when it's egalitarian. They also try to make us tithe and have altars and "storehouses" when Jesus said "The time has come to worship God in spirit and truth", not temples.
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Get over it and stop trying to cover up the truth.
Abrahmic religions such as jewish, judeo-christian, islam are ALL PATRIARCHAL religions.
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Get over it and stop trying to cover up the truth.
Abrahmic religions such as jewish, judeo-christian, islam are ALL PATRIARCHAL religions.
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They are.

But Jesus changed everything.
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Starting off by using the bible as a true account of creation, is a poor starting point...

By default, everything that follows can only lead to confusion...
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Starting off by using the bible as a true account of creation, is a poor starting point...

By default, everything that follows can only lead to confusion...
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5a
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On a thread specifically about "what the Bible says", starting anyplace else is off-topic.

I think GLP needs to make a handy dictionary of such complicated words as "topic".

Did I mention "topic"?
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There are some important concepts in Genesis 3 which only come out if one understands TORAH. Unfortunately most Christians have thown out Torah for they believe erroneously that it has been done away with.

The woman (she is not yet the lifegiver) is deceived by the serpent, this means that her transgression of Torah (sin) is unintentional and can thus be forgiven under Torah.

Adam's sin is intentional, he knowingly disobeys Yehovah because he wants his own 'godship'. This is not forgivable under Torah, hence the need for Torah to be made flesh and dwell amongst us.

The woman confesses that she was deceived (by an inferior creation) and is forgiven.

Adam throws his new found godship in Yehovah's face breaking the first commandment ("she did it, the woman that YOU gave me"). He has just invented the first man-made religion by using his own knowledge of good and evil.

Both however now have the consequences of disobedience, they have lost their connection to the Tree of Life, and their knowledge is now dependant upon Adam's puny knowledge not Yehovah's omniscience. They are indeed gods but without Yehovah's omniscience.

Gods are those beings who define good and evil for themselves; based upon their own knowledge. Torah is the blueprint of creation ("all things were made by it, without it was not anything made that was made") it is thus the embodiment of Yehovah's knowledge, to reject Torah is to fall back on Adam's knowledge (of good and evil).

The severence from the Tree of Life is worked around by changing the woman's womb to give life (in pain however) hence the woman becomes Chavah (life giver).

It is also HER seed that will overcome.

Thus the problem is not the woman's unintentional sin, but Adam's intentional sin.
 Quoting: Taruwah


I agree completely; see [link to books.fether.net] .

Though as a Christian I am not under Moses because I "died to the law", Genesis tells us of the creation of the world, the efforts of Satan to ruin what God made, and the plan of God to restore it in time. After that we see much history and also much prophecy, and the path God chose to bring Israel to the point when the Messiah could come and fulfill the "shadow" with reality. When the NT writers or Jesus refer to the OT, we have to know the original context to know what point or lesson they were giving. So anyone who throws out the OT completely is missing a lot of what God wants us to know.

A big problem is how many Christians want to keep putting us under "a burden neither we nor our ancestors could bear", appealing to culture when it's patriarchal but fighting culture when it's egalitarian. They also try to make us tithe and have altars and "storehouses" when Jesus said "The time has come to worship God in spirit and truth", not temples.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


"I died to the law" which flavour of "nomos" do you think is being used here, for Yehushua tells us that "not one jot or tittle of Torah will be changed until all is completed"
(Matt 5)
To translate 'Pleroo' as the Idea that Yehushua "completed" (i.e. finalized) all things, contradicts His earlier statement "I came not to destroy TORAH", but the idea that He 'perfected' TORAH is better.

To imply that Torah (not Moses, but Yah given, since Abraham keeps Torah; Genesis 26 v 5) is changed or diminished, is to imply that Yehovah changed His mind and that Yahushua "added to or took away from TORAH" see Deut 12 v 23.

Also see 'anomia' in Matt 7 v 21; Yehushua is going to reject those who do not keep Torah (those who are "without Law").

I would suggest that the flavour of 'nomos' in Gal 2 v 19 is that of the tradition of the pharisees not of the Torah of Yehovah. In Acts we see the apostles and Paul keeping TORAH and the Feasts of Yehovah (Leviticus 23 v 1 - 20), ask yourself why, if TORAH was 'superceeded'.

Lucifer does not want YOU to keep TORAH, as to keep TORAH is to be in the Kingdom of Yehovah (His Righteousness is defined by TORAH) and be aligned with His Creation. He wants YOU to be rejected by Yehushua for not keeping TORAH!
for being anomia.....
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"I died to the law" which flavour of "nomos" do you think is being used here, for Yehushua tells us that "not one jot or tittle of Torah will be changed until all is completed"
(Matt 5)
To translate 'Pleroo' as the Idea that Yehushua "completed" (i.e. finalized) all things, contradicts His earlier statement "I came not to destroy TORAH", but the idea that He 'perfected' TORAH is better.

To imply that Torah (not Moses, but Yah given, since Abraham keeps Torah; Genesis 26 v 5) is changed or diminished, is to imply that Yehovah changed His mind and that Yahushua "added to or took away from TORAH" see Deut 12 v 23.

Also see 'anomia' in Matt 7 v 21; Yehushua is going to reject those who do not keep Torah (those who are "without Law").

I would suggest that the flavour of 'nomos' in Gal 2 v 19 is that of the tradition of the pharisees not of the Torah of Yehovah. In Acts we see the apostles and Paul keeping TORAH and the Feasts of Yehovah (Leviticus 23 v 1 - 20), ask yourself why, if TORAH was 'superceeded'.

Lucifer does not want YOU to keep TORAH, as to keep TORAH is to be in the Kingdom of Yehovah (His Righteousness is defined by TORAH) and be aligned with His Creation. He wants YOU to be rejected by Yehushua for not keeping TORAH!
for being anomia.....
 Quoting: Taruwah


Jesus fulfilled everything, so that whoever is "in Christ" has fulfilled it as well. To continue trying to fulfill it would be an insult to Jesus' sacrifice, as if it hadn't been enough. So since I "died with Christ" I "belong to another"; since Jesus is in the priestly order of Melchizedek rather than Levi, "with the priesthood goes the law". Jesus himself taught this in the illustration of the wine skins, saying we cannot put new wine in old skins. A fulfilled obligation is no longer binding.

And besides all of that, Gentiles were never under the Levitical law in the first place. Nor do Gentiles become Jews when they accept Jesus; this was the debate at the Jerusalem Council, wherein they made it clear that Gentiles are not to be made to observe Jewish law.

God himself never changes, but clearly his "house rules" for various epochs change for us. Before Moses no one even knew what the laws of God were in such detail, so we see that the practices God requires do in fact change. The one consistent thing is faith.

"Torah" is for Jews who have not become "a new creation" in Christ. My righteousness cannot come from me or my feeble attempts to keep any laws, but only from trusting in the One who kept them perfectly.
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Im staying single, then I dont have to worry about who rules what.

In my world, I rule all.
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Im staying single, then I dont have to worry about who rules what.

In my world, I rule all.
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Not a bad idea at all. I've been happily married for over 20 years to a guy who doesn't want to boss me or be bossed by me, just as I wouldn't want to boss him or be bossed by him.

So what matters is to marry someone like that, and let all the control freaks go fly a kite.
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Im staying single, then I dont have to worry about who rules what.

In my world, I rule all.
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Not a bad idea at all. I've been happily married for over 20 years to a guy who doesn't want to boss me or be bossed by me, just as I wouldn't want to boss him or be bossed by him.

So what matters is to marry someone like that, and let all the control freaks go fly a kite.
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Then, you must be strong in spirit, to overcome the dna command structure...

A time delayed activation, that became active in the middle 1800's, snowballing to what we see today...

Women rule tody - either overtly, or behind the scenes with manipulation...
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Im staying single, then I dont have to worry about who rules what.

In my world, I rule all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32871335


Not a bad idea at all. I've been happily married for over 20 years to a guy who doesn't want to boss me or be bossed by me, just as I wouldn't want to boss him or be bossed by him.

So what matters is to marry someone like that, and let all the control freaks go fly a kite.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Then, you must be strong in spirit, to overcome the dna command structure...

A time delayed activation, that became active in the middle 1800's, snowballing to what we see today...

Women rule tody - either overtly, or behind the scenes with manipulation...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17551129

"When I am weak, then I am strong". hf

I think it goes all the way back to the curse on the serpent: "I will put hostility between you and the woman, between her seed and your seed". He also warned Eve that she would "turn to your husband and he will rule over you".

I also think that though Satan has been fighting hard against the freedom women have been given by Jesus, especially in this brief century of some measure of equality which has, IMHO, become very fragile.

Knowledge is power, and just as the internet has given knowledge to millions who are waking up from the "gatekeepers", so also many women are waking up from the lie that they are not to trust their own thoughts but need to be kept on a leash held by men. Many choose to remain asleep, and resent those who do not.

When I see the end of sex trafficking, of porn, of rape, and of blaming women for everything, then I'll be able to say that women are at least free.
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Im staying single, then I dont have to worry about who rules what.

In my world, I rule all.
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Not a bad idea at all. I've been happily married for over 20 years to a guy who doesn't want to boss me or be bossed by me, just as I wouldn't want to boss him or be bossed by him.

So what matters is to marry someone like that, and let all the control freaks go fly a kite.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Then, you must be strong in spirit, to overcome the dna command structure...

A time delayed activation, that became active in the middle 1800's, snowballing to what we see today...

Women rule tody - either overtly, or behind the scenes with manipulation...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17551129

"When I am weak, then I am strong". hf

I think it goes all the way back to the curse on the serpent: "I will put hostility between you and the woman, between her seed and your seed". He also warned Eve that she would "turn to your husband and he will rule over you".

I also think that though Satan has been fighting hard against the freedom women have been given by Jesus, especially in this brief century of some measure of equality which has, IMHO, become very fragile.

Knowledge is power, and just as the internet has given knowledge to millions who are waking up from the "gatekeepers", so also many women are waking up from the lie that they are not to trust their own thoughts but need to be kept on a leash held by men. Many choose to remain asleep, and resent those who do not.

When I see the end of sex trafficking, of porn, of rape, and of blaming women for everything, then I'll be able to say that women are at least free.
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I understand what you are saying, and that comes from bible study, and forming your opinion based on this study...

But, that is not what went down...

What actually occured was a seperation of the original inhabitants of this planet - they were unigender... The split brought about a polarization, and at first, the two genders did not want to have anything to do with each other...

Not good for the manipulators, as they needed a population that would breed... They implanted additional dna command structures to get them together...

Today, we are seeing a collapse of the command structure, as anything not natural will over time... Hence, we have the rising gay, lesbian, bisexual population... Heterosexual couplings for those in body's, where the command structure has sufficiently weakened, produces very irratable vibrations, felt on a spiritual level...

The root of the mess you see today, is the result of what I am telling you...
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Not a bad idea at all. I've been happily married for over 20 years to a guy who doesn't want to boss me or be bossed by me, just as I wouldn't want to boss him or be bossed by him.

So what matters is to marry someone like that, and let all the control freaks go fly a kite.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


Then, you must be strong in spirit, to overcome the dna command structure...

A time delayed activation, that became active in the middle 1800's, snowballing to what we see today...

Women rule tody - either overtly, or behind the scenes with manipulation...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17551129

"When I am weak, then I am strong". hf

I think it goes all the way back to the curse on the serpent: "I will put hostility between you and the woman, between her seed and your seed". He also warned Eve that she would "turn to your husband and he will rule over you".

I also think that though Satan has been fighting hard against the freedom women have been given by Jesus, especially in this brief century of some measure of equality which has, IMHO, become very fragile.

Knowledge is power, and just as the internet has given knowledge to millions who are waking up from the "gatekeepers", so also many women are waking up from the lie that they are not to trust their own thoughts but need to be kept on a leash held by men. Many choose to remain asleep, and resent those who do not.

When I see the end of sex trafficking, of porn, of rape, and of blaming women for everything, then I'll be able to say that women are at least free.
 Quoting: Keep2theCode


I understand what you are saying, and that comes from bible study, and forming your opinion based on this study...

But, that is not what went down...

What actually occured was a seperation of the original inhabitants of this planet - they were unigender... The split brought about a polarization, and at first, the two genders did not want to have anything to do with each other...

Not good for the manipulators, as they needed a population that would breed... They implanted additional dna command structures to get them together...

Today, we are seeing a collapse of the command structure, as anything not natural will over time... Hence, we have the rising gay, lesbian, bisexual population... Heterosexual couplings for those in body's, where the command structure has sufficiently weakened, produces very irratable vibrations, felt on a spiritual level...

The root of the mess you see today, is the result of what I am telling you...
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Yet who is to say whose interpretive framework is right?

But I will say that I believe "the adam", the human being, was not male as we know it. IMHO, what God took from him to make Eve was more than a rib and some tendons. Many Bible students scream upon hearing such things, but the Hebrew never calls Adam "ish" (male) until the "ish-sha" (female) was made.

I think we'll all find out very soon whether Genesis is the truth.
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So let me get this clear, the OP is teaching that the word of God cannot be trusted??? Looks like a wolf in sheep's clothing to me.
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Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. charlie
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Keep your liberal biases out of the word of God. Keep your despicable feminist ideals to yourself. The word of God is clear on these things and you are guilty of selective bias. Repent!
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Oh great, the troll has returned.

Ah well... more hits, more people see the truth.
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---Adam ruled Eve because he was made first. If being first means having authority, then the animals all had authority over Adam. If being last means having authority, then Eve had authority over Adam. It is the fallacy of "special pleading" to make creation order a basis for authority only in one case.

Genesis 1 Zaker and Nequbah, were created in the image of Elohim. Genesis 2 Adam was formed out of Adamath (ground) then isha was taken out of ish.
The first Adam Zaker and Nequbah is not the same as Genesis 2 Ish and Isha. So the first Adam were created (bara) together.
Read Genesis 5 this is Genesis 1 bloodline, no Cain in it.

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Oh great, the troll has returned.

Ah well... more hits, more people see the truth.
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My thought exactly...
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---Adam ruled Eve because he was made first. If being first means having authority, then the animals all had authority over Adam. If being last means having authority, then Eve had authority over Adam. It is the fallacy of "special pleading" to make creation order a basis for authority only in one case.

Genesis 1 Zaker and Nequbah, were created in the image of Elohim. Genesis 2 Adam was formed out of Adamath (ground) then isha was taken out of ish.
The first Adam Zaker and Nequbah is not the same as Genesis 2 Ish and Isha. So the first Adam were created (bara) together.
Read Genesis 5 the is Genesis one bloodline not Cain in it.
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I take Gen. 2 as a more detailed recap of Gen. 1.
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The 12 Apostles were given Authority over all the tribes of Israel. All were Men, not one was female!!!

They also have have 12 thrones in the Kingdom of Heaven. The Father is male and he has no care to your liberal propaganda.

propoganda


Matthew 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 19:28

And so according to your twisted logic, I guess the House of Israel and the House of Judah were guilty of Idolatry when they worshiped King David? Your logic is absurd like yourself.

For you to accuse people of committing the serious sins of Idolatry and Blasphemy just because they teach contrary to your wicked agenda is heinous. You are obviously ignorant to what those terms actually mean. Just another proud Jezebel who is guilty of rebellion to the Father will and order. Know your place Jezebel.
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The 12 Apostles were given Authority over all the tribes of Israel. All were Men, not one was female!!!

They also have have 12 thrones in the Kingdom of Heaven. The Father is male and he has no care to your liberal propaganda.

propoganda


Matthew 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 19:28

And so according to your twisted logic, I guess the House of Israel and the House of Judah were guilty of Idolatry when they worshiped King David? Your logic is absurd like yourself.

For you to accuse people of committing the serious sins of Idolatry and Blasphemy just because they teach contrary to your wicked agenda is heinous. You are obviously ignorant to what those terms actually mean. Just another proud Jezebel who is guilty of rebellion to the Fathers will and order. Know your place Jezebel.
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Fixed.
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---Adam ruled Eve because he was made first. If being first means having authority, then the animals all had authority over Adam. If being last means having authority, then Eve had authority over Adam. It is the fallacy of "special pleading" to make creation order a basis for authority only in one case.

Genesis 1 Zaker and Nequbah, were created in the image of Elohim. Genesis 2 Adam was formed out of Adamath (ground) then isha was taken out of ish.
The first Adam Zaker and Nequbah is not the same as Genesis 2 Ish and Isha. So the first Adam were created (bara) together.
Read Genesis 5 the is Genesis one bloodline not Cain in it.
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I take Gen. 2 as a more detailed recap of Gen. 1.
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If you are going to stay true to the text Genesis 1 Adam was Created bara in Hebrew, Genesis 2 Adam was formed Yatser out of Adamath. Not the same.
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Then, you must be strong in spirit, to overcome the dna command structure...

A time delayed activation, that became active in the middle 1800's, snowballing to what we see today...

Women rule tody - either overtly, or behind the scenes with manipulation...
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"When I am weak, then I am strong". hf

I think it goes all the way back to the curse on the serpent: "I will put hostility between you and the woman, between her seed and your seed". He also warned Eve that she would "turn to your husband and he will rule over you".

I also think that though Satan has been fighting hard against the freedom women have been given by Jesus, especially in this brief century of some measure of equality which has, IMHO, become very fragile.

Knowledge is power, and just as the internet has given knowledge to millions who are waking up from the "gatekeepers", so also many women are waking up from the lie that they are not to trust their own thoughts but need to be kept on a leash held by men. Many choose to remain asleep, and resent those who do not.

When I see the end of sex trafficking, of porn, of rape, and of blaming women for everything, then I'll be able to say that women are at least free.
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I understand what you are saying, and that comes from bible study, and forming your opinion based on this study...

But, that is not what went down...

What actually occured was a seperation of the original inhabitants of this planet - they were unigender... The split brought about a polarization, and at first, the two genders did not want to have anything to do with each other...

Not good for the manipulators, as they needed a population that would breed... They implanted additional dna command structures to get them together...

Today, we are seeing a collapse of the command structure, as anything not natural will over time... Hence, we have the rising gay, lesbian, bisexual population... Heterosexual couplings for those in body's, where the command structure has sufficiently weakened, produces very irratable vibrations, felt on a spiritual level...

The root of the mess you see today, is the result of what I am telling you...
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Yet who is to say whose interpretive framework is right?

But I will say that I believe "the adam", the human being, was not male as we know it. IMHO, what God took from him to make Eve was more than a rib and some tendons. Many Bible students scream upon hearing such things, but the Hebrew never calls Adam "ish" (male) until the "ish-sha" (female) was made.

I think we'll all find out very soon whether Genesis is the truth.
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When this planet was discoverd - there was not one being, there were many...

Anyhow, you are right... The very soon, is just around the corner...
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As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. Isaiah 3:12

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The OP will twist the word of God to mean what she wants it to mean. Nothing but selective bias on this thread from Jezebel.
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As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths. Isaiah 3:12

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Tell the muslim and africian women that.
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Repent for your false teachings. Just hope you didn't lead any other women astray.

Female priest= rebellion to the natural order of God!!!

And thou shalt gird them with girdles, Aaron and his sons, and put the bonnets on them: and the priest's office shall be theirs for a perpetual statute: and thou shalt consecrate Aaron and his sons. Exodus 29:9

Does that sound like equality? No! The bible has nothing to do with that liberal propaganda. Please don't defile the word and will of the Father with that drivel.

A young woman under her father’s household.


If a woman also vow a vow unto the LORD, and bind herself by a bond, being in her father's house in her youth; And her father hear her vow, and her bond wherewith she hath bound her soul, and her father shall hold his peace at her: then all her vows shall stand, and every bond wherewith she hath bound her soul shall stand. Numbers 30:3-4

A wife’s vow overruled by her husband.

“If indeed she takes a husband, while bound by her vows or by a rash utterance from her lips by which she bound herself, and her husband hears it, and makes no response to her on the day that he hears, then her vows shall stand, and her agreements by which she bound herself shall stand. But if her husband overrules her on the day that he hears it, he shall make void her vow which she took and what she uttered with her lips, by which she bound herself, and the Lord will release her.”
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