What the Bible Really Says about Women

In nature, both the male and female generate energy, there is no dependency structure...They need each other for procreation only...

Unlike the hu-man earther body, where the dependency is built in due to a polarization...

And who is responsible for this ??? Yep, you guessed it, the poser laid out in the bible...

Humans are made in the image of God. They are not animals. They have dominion over the animals.

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Genesis 1:26

And yet the OP wrongly states this,

"If being first means having authority, then the animals all had authority over Adam. If being last means having authority, then Eve had authority over Adam. It is the fallacy of "special pleading" to make creation order a basis for authority only in one case."

Aw, come on, it isn't God's fault how people have messed up the world. Or should I say, how men have messed up the world. (If they want the glory and rule, they get the blame!)

I'm trying my best to stop feeding such an ignorant troll as you, but you totally failed to understand my statement. I'm exposing the fallacious argument that Adam must be greatest because of the order of creation. Simple point for most people to grasp.

And you left out the part of that passage in Genesis that says God gave THEM (male and female) rule over creation.

Now please, stop trolling my thread.

Exactly, that is one of the reasons this World is in the state that it is. Nobody respects the traditional order of things. It is only recently that Satan has ruined the natural order and changed everything, increasing the amount of proud women that never shut up about their rights and like to act and dress like Men breaking the law of God.

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 22:5

So many 'men' today just roll over and give in to their wives demands without asserting their Authority!

Soon, things will be restored to the natural order, the Father won't stand for this much longer. See the likes of the Church of England how they have given in to the demands of these proud Jezebels. The next thing will be for gay priests. This is how Satan works, pride is the sin that he is playing on.

So Men need to Man up!

Fair enough!!!

I respect a persons path, does not mean I agree with it...

But, everyone has to travel their own way, and arrive at conclusions in their own way...

What is right for you, is right for you, you have to be who you are - Not that I am a preacher, but, this is truly divine knowledge...

An ignorant troll? lol you just can't stand how I showed how you contradict the word of God. Call me all the names you like, I don't care one bit but I won't stand by and watch you corrupt the word of God with your feminist agenda.

Thanks!

I find you much more rational and irenic that the troll who thinks he has any clue about God.

Wow, that's some real humility you got there.

Does the Truth hurt Jezebel?

Are you paying attention to the overwhelming evidence of rising female domination - look in the media, the glorification of women is everywhere, and coming through sexualizing them...

The female population is greater then male...

Is this an act of god??? Well, partially right, when you know who this god is... This female dominence theme began to emerge in the middle 1800's...Now, it is a runaway freight train...

Why middle 1800's??? It is a time delayed dna activation sequence, built in by your god... SHE is returning, and looks more favourably upon a population that is female dominant...

Far fetched!!! Wait and see, it is unravelling now...

I agree with some of your points, and so do some churches.
However there is a division here you have not properly addressed.

The Bible treats unmarried women,(daughters), widows and divorced women and wives. differently.

Gen 3:16 He said to the woman, I will greatly increase your sorrow and your conception; you shall bear sons in sorrow, and your desire shall be toward YOUR HUSBAND; and HE SHALL RULE over you.

Col 3:18 Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

Eph 5:22 Wives, subject yourselves to your own husbands, as to the Lord,
Eph 5:23 because a HUSBAND IS THE HEAD OF THE WIFE, as also Christ is Head of the assembly, and He is the Savior of the body.
Eph 5:24 But even as the assembly is subject to Christ, SO ALSO THE WIVES to their OWN HUSBANDS, IN EVERYTHING.

So it does say "Husbands are to rule over Wives" in both the Old and New Testaments.

In Jewish society there were also different rules relating to oaths taken by women, as opposed to men.

Num 30:2 If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.

Num 30:3 If a woman also vow a vow unto the LORD, and bind herself by a bond, being in her father's house in her youth;
Num 30:4 And her father hear her vow, and her bond wherewith she hath bound her soul, and her father shall hold his peace at her: then all her vows shall stand, and every bond wherewith she hath bound her soul shall stand.

Num 30:5 But if her father disallow her in the day that he heareth; not any of her vows, or of her bonds wherewith she hath bound her soul, shall stand: and the LORD shall forgive her, because her father disallowed her.

Num 30:6 And if she had at all an husband, when she vowed, or uttered ought out of her lips, wherewith she bound her soul;
Num 30:7 And her husband heard it, and held his peace at her in the day that he heard it: then her vows shall stand, and her bonds wherewith she bound her soul shall stand.
Num 30:8 But if her husband disallowed her on the day that he heard it; then he shall make her vow which she vowed, and that which she uttered with her lips, wherewith she bound her soul, of none effect: and the LORD shall forgive her.

Num 30:9 But every vow of a widow, and of her that is divorced, wherewith they have bound their souls, shall stand against her.

Num 30:10 And if she vowed in her husband's house, or bound her soul by a bond with an oath;

Num 30:11 And her husband heard it, and held his peace at her, and disallowed her not: then all her vows shall stand, and every bond wherewith she bound her soul shall stand.
Num 30:12 But if her husband hath utterly made them void on the day he heard them; then whatsoever proceeded out of her lips concerning her vows, or concerning the bond of her soul, shall not stand: her husband hath made them void; and the LORD shall forgive her.

Num 30:13 Every vow, and every binding oath to afflict the soul, her husband may establish it, or her husband may make it void.

Num 30:14 But if her husband altogether hold his peace at her from day to day; then he establisheth all her vows, or all her bonds, which are upon her: he confirmeth them, because he held his peace at her in the day that he heard them.
Num 30:15 But if he shall any ways make them void after that he hath heard them; then he shall bear her iniquity.

Num 30:16 These are the statutes, which the LORD commanded Moses, between a man and his wife, between the father and his daughter, being yet in her youth in her father's house.

Yet God treated women as equal to men in many things, but WIVES are to submit to their Husbands and Daughters,(as in all Children), to their Fathers.
Most Women are not held responsible for a vow or oath, if their Husband or Father objects. Sons and men are held responsible and have no "way out" on their vows and oaths. This shows the inequality in the treatment of the two sexes.

Col 3:20 Children, obey the parents in all things, for this is pleasing to the Lord.

Eph 6:1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;)
Eph 6:3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

The New Testament allows Women to do anything, hold any position, however Wives, must be subject to their Husbands, and Children.(unmarried daughters),to their Fathers.

So the EQUALITY of WOMEN, is limited at best, by God's own rules, not Man's rules. God is far harsher on Men than Women, so Women should appreciate that, instead of fighting it.
Failure to acknowledge this is Sin and Rebellion against God and His Plan.

I agree. Men such as the resident evil leprechaun will get a rude awakening soon enough

Nah, I know what is coming. I won't be caught of guard. And @ "resident evil leprechaun".

I think everyone is in for a rude awakening...

Even the best laid plans, go awry, when unplanned for major events enter the picture...

Judging by your posts - I think it is guite safe for me to say;

You do not have a clue

I do hope everyone finds the time to read the links, as they go into all the detail I couldn't post here due to length. I did mention this one specifically in my OP.


Do you know the Greek word being rendered "subject" here? Its semantic range includes "be supportive, upholding, appending, attached or joined, aligned, associated, related, loyal, committed, brought under influence". Notice also the word "own"; it makes no sense to specify this if it means what the surface-skim appearance is.

What no one can dispute is that in that time and culture, women simply did not have multiple husbands, and hardly needed to be told to "obey" or "be subject" with that meaning, since all the women had that drilled into them all the time. And I hardly think Paul was in the habit of overstating the obvious.

Instead, looking at all aspect of context and the actual Greek, Paul is telling Christian wives that their freedom in Christ is not a license for promiscuity. He is saying this in the context of telling those with power and privilege how to change and become more Christlike. Otherwise, we would have to make Paul contradict everything Jesus said and did regarding all his disciples and the need for ALL to be humble, not just women.


No, not at all. There is no verb in vs. 22; it gets it from vs. 21, and the passage is about MUTUAL SUBMISSION of all believers to all other believers. Clearly, this cannot involve authority because you can't have everyone being the boss of everyone. Submission is NOT a master/slave hierarchy at all, but deference and humility to all. Then Paul lists ways in which various groups can model that mutuality. See my commentary for more: [link to bible.fether.net]


Why are you appealing to OT rules for the NT church? We are not Israel; we are not under the Levitical priesthood (see Heb. 7); we are not Jewish society. And if we are appealing to society, let's remember that it was Paul being "counter cultural" in his letters about these things, not going back to the law, which is why he was persecuted by the Jews for the rest of his life.


Wives are not children, not property, not slaves, and not animals.



What you fail to acknowledge is that God is NOT the one limiting women in Christ, or making Paul contradict all that Jesus said about humility and laying privilege down. It is indeed "man's rules" to twist the Greek by imposing English onto it and then claiming God said it. Why do YOU fight against what Jesus did, in setting us ALL free? Why do you fear women as equal human beings? And it is double-talk to say a woman, by being a woman, is a permanent child, yet is somehow still equal in being.

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What do you know?

More then you can imagine...

You know also what is patently obvious: that some people, however innocently a few may be, are driving hoards of people away from the gospel, especially women.

It isn't "the offense of the cross" that's driving them away.

It isn't "the Way, the Truth, the Life" that's driving them away.

It is this effort to make Paul into the anti-Christ, to make him unravel everything Jesus said and did. Jesus treated women kindly, spoke to them in public, had compassion on them, healed them, raised them from the dead, accepted them as disciples, and even gave women the first opportunity to spread the Good News of his resurrection... to men who refused to believe them!

Jesus said that not even he "came to be served, but to serve", and as Paul said in Phil. 2:5-11, Jesus laid his divine privileges down and became the lowest of slaves, to the point of dying like a criminal. THAT, not what most men try to teach, is humility and love.

Either they have made Paul an anti-Christ, or they have done exactly what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:15-16--

"Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction."

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The bible is just a collection of stories. It is not fact. the stories are based on other philosophies that came before it. If you like that book of stories and need it to guide you through your life, then that is your choice.
It should not be imposed on anyone else though.
The thing I find the most interesting thing about Genesis is the birth of Eve. All people are born from and through women. Christianity is negating women's power to bring forth life through this absurd story of Adam's rib.

I don't think you will understand, but here it is in a nutshell;

The vibrations of endgame, on a simultaneous designated planet...

This planets purpose was to never operate as one unit... Many different races, cultures, beliefs, makes for a huge variety of experiences...

That it has moved to blend the cultures, races, and beliefs into a melting pot, has signalled the conclusion of the experiential learning process on this planet...

Not the end of you, but the end of the bodies on this planet...

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. You are blind, dead, and in a slumber to what is coming. You have no clue to the magnitude of what approaches. Mark these words for soon you will see how wrong and foolish you have been.

Have to go to work...

Will check in, in a few hours...

It disappoints me that you would presume I wouldn't understand. Disagreement is not necessarily failure to understand.

Saul is a false Prophet and 2 Peter is a known pseudograph. Fail.

Really? That is fecking hilarious. You must have really drank the kool-aid.

^^ This is how to drive people away from salvation. Nobody can hear anyone say "Jesus loves you so much he died for you" while they beat them over the head.

Finally the truth comes out! You're not even a Christian.

FAIL.

No, I don't like to ascribe that title to myself considering what that word means today. I am a born-again of the Spirit above disciple of Immanuel and you have no clue to what you speak of you foolish woman. Nothing but a lawless apostate pauline anti-Christ goat is what you are. You feminist dogs are putrid.