What the Bible Really Says about Women

So trolls can't start threads? Okey dokey. Fail. LMAO!!!

I won. LOL

Hard luck. Thanks for playing.

That's right! You won the title of "Hypocrite of the Century"! Congrats!

This prestigious award entitles you to demonstrate, teach, and model supreme and unparalleled hypocrisy for all the world to see, free of charge. What an honor!

You sound mad. lol

I'm having fun. You're a laugh a minute!

And the only hypocrite on this thread is you.

Sure you are. lol

Anyway, I thought you were 'not going to feed the troll'?

Your ego won't let you, will it? lol

Hard luck. lol

The troll is bowing out. Better luck next time. I hope you learned something.

Oh we all know that's just for show, that is more ego. Quite the ego you have Ms troll. If I hadn't of mentioned that about your ego not allowing you to leave without having the last word, you would still be here. That's real funny. No brownie points for your act. LOL ;)

Raise your daughters to take care of themselves and you wont have to worry about them.

That's important advice. Every child should be taught self-reliance. Not only girls but boys, who otherwise might expect "mommy" to wait on them for life.

This is the damage sexism does to humanity: not only are women hollowed out shells of who they might have been, but men are never forced to grow up. People who believe certain groups are inherently inferior will mistreat and oppress them, and that's pretty much the history of our broken world.

But you are inferior. lol

Your

Your ignorance is on full display. Is that the best you can do? Are you that ignorant that many women & men have no desire to marry or even engage with the opposite sex. Plus they are perfectly happy with who & choose to use their energy and time playing many other roles in life. Do not limit the Creator in her/his creations.

Look, Why try to justify when you clearly know the bible was rewritten, twisted, eddited, etc etc in favor of patriarchy?

Qumran said they twisted the writings so much so that the jews can maintain control over the non-israelites. There were no differences between man and woman in their scrolls.
There were 12 commandments, not 10.

Since the bible was written in time of patriarchy, no need to waste your time on this little book.

The Bible is the account of God working through people who had largely told him to jump off a cliff, to save the ones who wanted to be reconciled with him. It shows that God is not micromanaging people but allowing them to run the world the way they thought was better than his way. It has great value in explaining who we are, how we got into this mess, and how we can get out.

he came to his own and they rejected him
read your bible

man created in image OF GOD
woman taken or created from man out of a rib no less miss bbq
so woman is the lessor vessel! that is biblical joyce

oh watch multiplicity and u see what happens as they progress down the gene pool/ITS MORE LIKE REGRESS

now as far as the womans lib goes/ your a prime example of the cess pool we have today.
sara calling abraham LORD

MISS FANCY PANTS

follow her as an example and you might go far

First, my last statement.
What I was trying to say was this-
If I'm not mistaken, your main purpose for this thread is to challenge the way some or most have interpreted the Scriptures that seem to say women 'in the congregation', shouldn't teach men 'in the congregation'. I'm saying that even if that is correct, I don't think it applies to what you do here or on a blog,etc., because it's a public forum and not "the Christian Congregation."
I've seen you say that you've gotten into arguments online with male bloggers[?] who were clergymen , recognized Bible scholars, theologians, or things like that, and that you were disappointed at how 'rigid and unwilling to dialogue and to entertain any new idea' they were. My immediate thought was-
John 10:7 Therefore Jesus said again: “Most truly I say to YOU, I am the door+ of the sheep. 8 All those that have come in place of me are thieves and plunderers;+ but the sheep have not listened to them.+ 9 I am the door;+ whoever enters through me will be saved, and he will go in and out and find pasturage.+ 10 The thief+ does not come unless it is to steal and slay and destroy.+ I have come that they might have life and might have it in abundance. 11 I am the fine shepherd;+ the fine shepherd surrenders his soul in behalf of the sheep.+ 12 The hired+ man, who is no shepherd and to whom the sheep do not belong as his own, beholds the wolf coming and abandons the sheep and flees—and the wolf snatches them and scatters them+— 13 because he is a hired+ man and does not care for the sheep.+ 14 I am the fine* shepherd, and I know my sheep+ and my sheep know me,+ 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father;+ and I surrender my soul* in behalf of the sheep.+
- well not that whole thing, but the part about the hired man abandoning the sheep.
You probably agree that many whose 'jobs' are to be religious leaders don't actually have faith. I read, about Bart Ehrman, that many ministers already "know" about Bible -"it's all a fraud", but many question whether ehrman needed to come out with that "info" just yet, as they judge their flocks not ready for "the truth", as they see it.
[I think both they and he are wrong, and every piece of evidence that they're not wrong that I've had presented to me, has so far itself proven to be wrong.]
So if they lack faith, they are not really accountable to a God they don't believe in, and only accountable in a limited way [nine to five-ish, maybe] to their employers, the "dim, fluffy" sheep. So the facade of belief and shepherd-ly avocation, that exacts such a psychic toll, can drop suddenly and and in a manner chilling to behold, when these "hired men" are challenged.
I have to go right now, so on the off-chance I still haven't made any sense:
Yes, as you know, you can choose a topic. And you can talk about spiritual things, anywhere, 'sfar as I'm concerned.
- i hope I get to come back to defend against this hideous "Harlequin" charge, which I knew I left myself open to-

No. What I'm saying is that people twist or misunderstand what the Bible teaches about women. As part of that, I tried very hard to explain that in Christ there is none of the world's hierarchy, none of its prejudices, none of its role playing. And what is meant by "in Christ" is how believers relate to each other, whether in the family or in the larger community of believers. Among ourselves as believers, there is to be no hierarchy. I cannot say it any more plainly than that.



It's largely true, but I didn't say that here.



True again, but what does this have to do with anything I've said? I repeated several times that the manner of hierarchy is irrelevant.



"Hideous"? What I find hideous is the idea that so many people think the roles those novels portray is ideal: the knight in shining armor who rescues the helpless damsel in distress. He's supposed to be "Wild At Heart" while she's supposed to be weak, needy, dependent, and obedient. It's the worldly idea of what men are supposed to act like, and how women must never act like. Look at why I said what I did, and tell me how that is different from the average "roles" from romance novels.

And what I was saying about choosing a topic, is that your saying that since this is GLP I can't talk about how things are within the Body of Christ is just plain ridiculous. Maybe even hideous.

"Hideous"? What I find hideous is the idea that so many people think the roles those novels portray is ideal: the knight in shining armor who rescues the helpless damsel in distress. He's supposed to be "Wild At Heart" while she's supposed to be weak, needy, dependent, and obedient. It's the worldly idea of what men are supposed to act like, and how women must never act like. Look at why I said what I did, and tell me how that is different from the average "roles" from romance novels.

And what I was saying about choosing a topic, is that your saying that since this is GLP I can't talk about how things are within the Body of Christ is just plain ridiculous. Maybe even hideous.


Please, I beg you-

I was not saying that. I was saying the very opposite.


Of secondary importance, but I'd like to clarify- Harlequin is hideous, not so much the charge, a charge to which I admitted I'd left myself open.

And one more-
What planet are you on? Personally, I was born, raised, and continue to dwell in PC world, where any such stereotypes are completely inverted. True, this is a college town, and my parents were flaming,crusading liberals, as was everyone they deigned to know, and we went to a church that was mainly about the civil rights movement and has since become mainly about the gay rights movement, and I'm probably at least 3 or 4 generations removed from any such unseemliness as female submission -if indeed such ever occurred in my family- but don't you watch TV at all? -The ads with the idiot dad, not to mention the rest of it?

Clearly we aren't communicating.


Can you honestly say you wouldn't take this as an insult if I said it to you? Either way, you didn't need to provoke me like that.


No, I DON'T watch TV. What I watch is Christian theology blogs, debates, and scholarship. It is staunchly patriarchal and growing worse by the day. My mission has been to fight un-christian teachings within the Body of Christ, so if anyone knows what's going on in that realm, it's me.

Take a look at this thread; do you see anything like your TV shows here? Even close? Then what is it? Point blank, it's a mad desire to turn back the clock a thousand years to when women were property. The hate drips from their eyes, and it's hatred of women, not men. I can't believe I even have to point this out.

Let's just drop it, okay? We can't communicate at all.

Maybe it's not the body of Christ.

I notice the canard of "women shall not speak in the assembly" is coming up on this thread.

"So sayeth the law"

This is interesting because nowhere does TORAH say that women should not speak in the assembly. But the Babylonian Talmud (the pharaseic tradition) does.

When Paul says "it is written" he is usually talking about Torah, when he uses the word "says" then he is talking about the oral tradition.

Once more we have problems because the greek word 'nomos' is so vague.

Note the verse following :

1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1Co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

Context is everything......

you missed it all right because you havent the brains to read the Bible and realise it is real and true.You are a SHEEP!

In my translation/commentary I make this point as well: Paul is refuting, not supporting, the silencing of women. You are exactly right that the Mosaic law never silences women. And besides, the same Paul that was hounded the rest of his life for telling Christians they aren't under that law anymore would not turn right around and appeal to it as something Christians are bound to.

Thanks also for bringing up the matter of nomos; this is another instance of "equivocation" on the part of some to make all cases refer to Torah.

John 5:39 "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;

The bible was not a bible until 400 years after Yahoshua...
The Holy Spirt she leads us to all Truth, she sets us free...

Last Edited by NZREva on 02/16/2013 08:21 AM

Regardless of anyone's opinion about what the Bible is or how it was assembled, the topic here is what it says-- and doesn't say-- about women.

sorry, just have to say something about this.

" The Roman Catholic Church claims responsibility for the decision as to which books should be included in the Bible canon, and reference is made to the Council of Carthage (397 C.E.), where a catalog of books was formulated. The opposite is true, however, because the canon, including the list of books making up the Christian Greek Scriptures, was already settled by then, that is, not by the decree of any council, but by the direction of God’s holy spirit—the same spirit that inspired the writing of those books in the first place." -
-from an article titled The Bible and Its Canon [link to wol.jw.org]

""""John 5:39 "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;"""

The whole Hebrew Scriptures were about Jesus. That's why he fulfilled the law [and the prophets]. Not a jot or tittle has passed away of the Inspired Hebrew Scriptures, The Canon, because they testify about Jesus and other things vital to understand.

And they are part of the Bible, and say things about women, I hasten to add.

Here is an inspiring account of what women are accomplishing and suffering for Christ:

[link to www.charismamag.com]



Last Edited by Keep2theCode on 06/28/2013 08:29 AM