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Using the 3rd amendment in defense of the 2nd amendment

 
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I found a really cool article today and just had to share. The 3rd amendment is pretty much ignored as completely irrelevant today. It shouldn’t be, because it provides and excellent backdrop for just how far the 2nd amendment was really intended to go. The American British colonists actually had to deal with standing armies roaming the streets that ransacked people’s houses for food, supplies, and shelter. The 2nd amendment was written because of the need to be able to defend your home from that kind of tyranny. A single shot pop gun isn’t going to do the job if the BATFE, the FBI, or the military come knocking. To adequately defend yourself, you need to be at least as well armed as the attacker even if that attacker is modern military.

Here is the article. [link to freedomoutpost.com]


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Re: Using the 3rd amendment in defense of the 2nd amendment
I found a really cool article today and just had to share. The 3rd amendment is pretty much ignored as completely irrelevant today. It shouldn’t be, because it provides and excellent backdrop for just how far the 2nd amendment was really intended to go. The American British colonists actually had to deal with standing armies roaming the streets that ransacked people’s houses for food, supplies, and shelter. The 2nd amendment was written because of the need to be able to defend your home from that kind of tyranny. A single shot pop gun isn’t going to do the job if the BATFE, the FBI, or the military come knocking. To adequately defend yourself, you need to be at least as well armed as the attacker even if that attacker is modern military.

Here is the article. [link to freedomoutpost.com]


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At 1:44 is a nice explanation of the 3rd amendment in the context your speaking of.
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you know you can also look to the court case where the reason sawed off shotguns are baned due to them being inaccuarate at long range thus the need for 18" barrel and no well armed militia would use it for that reason
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Great article! 5 stars!
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Hey wow, thanks for the pin Chip!
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Wow, great article! Nice find, Resister!

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That is just beautiful.
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5* and bump Hope New Jersey can withstand the commie assault. Can't find yesterdays thread for a link. ???
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fail.

I am definitely no constitution whatever, but when you lost habeas corpus, you lost everything.

Just reading an excerpt from the amendment where it says:

but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Doesn't this mean that if it's legislated then they can be quartered?
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Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


Posted for the benefit of those who have never bothered to read the Bill of Rights.
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fail.

I am definitely no constitution whatever, but when you lost habeas corpus, you lost everything.

Just reading an excerpt from the amendment where it says:

but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Doesn't this mean that if it's legislated then they can be quartered?
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Because a thing is made into law does not make it constitutional, right, or presume that the people will comply. A perfect example would be the latest NDAA that would seem to make several of the amendments in the bill of rights irrelevant. No law that violates the constitution is valid though and the people are not bound to obey unconstitutional law. All the more reason for the second amendment, so that the people can defend themselves from the tyranny of unconstitutional law. Even in trying to invalidate it, you have offered another reason in support of the second amendment.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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fail.

I am definitely no constitution whatever, but when you lost habeas corpus, you lost everything.

Just reading an excerpt from the amendment where it says:

but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Doesn't this mean that if it's legislated then they can be quartered?
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No, it means that the Government can contract with property owners to house military, it cannot forceit.

The founding fathers knew that contract makes law, the prohibition of the 3rd amendment was total restriction on private property being forcefully used as military assets. There was a very real need for private property to be used, but the Government would have to pay for it and get permission, thus the "but in a matter to be prescribed by law" (the power to contract between the people and the Government) Contract makes law, not just congress.
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fail.

I am definitely no constitution whatever, but when you lost habeas corpus, you lost everything.

Just reading an excerpt from the amendment where it says:

but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Doesn't this mean that if it's legislated then they can be quartered?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33801296


Because a thing is made into law does not make it constitutional, right, or presume that the people will comply. A perfect example would be the latest NDAA that would seem to make several of the amendments in the bill of rights irrelevant. No law that violates the constitution is valid though and the people are not bound to obey unconstitutional law. All the more reason for the second amendment, so that the people can defend themselves from the tyranny of unconstitutional law. Even in trying to invalidate it, you have offered another reason in support of the second amendment.
 Quoting: Resister


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If means if those damn commies from california are running across texas in a war, the military can commandeer your house as a base to defend from. If your a prepper, you have already done most of the work for them.

In times of peace, noone may set foot on your property without a warrant or unless seeing or hearing an emergency from public grounds.

You need to worry when a court decides that an emergency can be something simple and stupid, like your plant needs watering.
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If means if those damn commies from california are running across texas in a war, the military can commandeer your house as a base to defend from. If your a prepper, you have already done most of the work for them.

In times of peace, noone may set foot on your property without a warrant or unless seeing or hearing an emergency from public grounds.

You need to worry when a court decides that an emergency can be something simple and stupid, like your plant needs watering.
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no but the dude above you got it right.
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You forget one very important thing, OP: Liberals can't process logic.
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You forget one very important thing, OP: Liberals can't process logic.
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Or history or facts or plain ol truth
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"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.
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How about you provide a quote of the 2nd amendment as well.. I'm sure not too many of you realize that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow the individual to bear arms. Read it. Become educated. Don't be a sheeple.
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" The Third Amendment makes clear that “arms” equals “arms adequate to repel soldiers.” The Third Amendment is a fascinating anti-fascist statement."

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There are two principle versions of the Second Amendment: one version was passed by Congress, while the other is found in the copies distributed to each individual state and later ratified by them

As passed by the Congress:A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

As ratified by the States: A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Stipulations of the 2nd Amendment:

The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects the right of the individual to keep and bear firearms.

The right to arm oneself is viewed as a personal liberty to deter undemocratic or oppressive governing bodies from forming and to repel impending invasions. Furthermore, the right to bear arms was instituted within the Bill of Rights to suppress insurrection, participate and uphold the law, enable the citizens of the United States to organize a militia, and to facilitate the natural right to self-defense.

The Second Amendment was developed as a result of the tyrannous rule of the British parliament. Colonists were often oppressed and forced to pay unjust taxes at the hand of the unruly parliament. As a result, the American people yearned for an Amendment that would guarantee them the right to bear arms and protect themselves against similar situations. The Second Amendment was drafted to provide for the common defense and the general welfare of the United States through the ability to raise and support militias.
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How about you provide a quote of the 2nd amendment as well.. I'm sure not too many of you realize that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow the individual to bear arms. Read it. Become educated. Don't be a sheeple.
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And onto the old slip n' slide of shitheads flinging definitions of "militia" at each other we go!
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How about you provide a quote of the 2nd amendment as well.. I'm sure not too many of you realize that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow the individual to bear arms. Read it. Become educated. Don't be a sheeple.
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have you read the Preamble to the Bill of Rights?

[link to www.drexel.edu]

btw, here's a link to Amendment II.

[link to www.drexel.edu]

"... the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is the outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

Thread: First steps down the road to a return to the Constitutional Republic that we were intended to be.

Restore the Republic.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

cow - Moo!
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How about you provide a quote of the 2nd amendment as well.. I'm sure not too many of you realize that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow the individual to bear arms. Read it. Become educated. Don't be a sheeple.
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Perhaps you are one of those people who needs to learn How To Read. [link to line-in-the-sand.blogspot.com]

The Second Amendment and a detailed definition:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." [link to line-in-the-sand.blogspot.com]

It is an individual right.
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" The Third Amendment makes clear that “arms” equals “arms adequate to repel soldiers.” The Third Amendment is a fascinating anti-fascist statement."

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Ditto


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Great thread Resister!
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How about you provide a quote of the 2nd amendment as well.. I'm sure not too many of you realize that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow the individual to bear arms. Read it. Become educated. Don't be a sheeple.
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have you read the Preamble to the Bill of Rights?

[link to www.drexel.edu]

btw, here's a link to Amendment II.

[link to www.drexel.edu]

"... the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
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