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Using the 3rd amendment in defense of the 2nd amendment

 
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Can we have drones too? Those things set a whole new pretense

to defending yourself and the constitution.
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Can we have drones too? Those things set a whole new pretense

to defending yourself and the constitution.
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yes, you have the right to defend yourself, your family and your property from any and all aggressors with force sufficient enough to repel the danger.

just because I do not currently have a need for a drone, an RPG, a tank, a howitzer, and/or a fighter jet to equalize strength against those that may wish to kill me, the current state of affairs does not preclude a future me from owning those arms if the situation were to change and a need were to arise.

what's fair is fair.

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I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is an outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Apportionment Act of 1911!

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Can we have drones too? Those things set a whole new pretense

to defending yourself and the constitution.
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It is worth noting that the biggest military weapon of the day in the late 1700's was a naval ship's cannon. It was a weapon that could pound on an entire city from far out of reach of small arms and no law was put in place to prevent people from having that.

Washington didn't defeat the British with his first amendment right to free speech. He shot them.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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Can we have drones too? Those things set a whole new pretense

to defending yourself and the constitution.
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It is worth noting that the biggest military weapon of the day in the late 1700's was a naval ship's cannon. It was a weapon that could pound on an entire city from far out of reach of small arms and no law was put in place to prevent people from having that.

Washington didn't defeat the British with his first amendment right to free speech. He shot them.
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Awesome line right there!
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Nice find Register. Thank you.

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The 1st Amendment proves this is a God given Right, not something that can be legislated and it "Trumps," both the 2nd & 3rd, so why aren't the experts taking this path?

The below section of the Bible comes from the King James version, LUKE-11:

A Divided House Cannot Stand
Mt. 12.22-30 · Mk. 3.19-27
14 ¶ And he was casting out a devil, and it was dumb. And it came to pass, when the devil was gone out, the dumb spake; and the people wondered.
15 But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beel'zebub the chief of the devils. Mt. 9.34 ; 10.25
16 And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from heaven. Mt. 12.38 ; 16.1 · Mk. 8.11
17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.
18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beel'zebub.
19 And if I by Beel'zebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.
20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
22 but when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armor wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.

23 He that is not with me is against me; Mk. 9.40 and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
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How about you provide a quote of the 2nd amendment as well.. I'm sure not too many of you realize that the 2nd amendment doesn't allow the individual to bear arms. Read it. Become educated. Don't be a sheeple.
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Perhaps you are one of those people who needs to learn How To Read. [link to line-in-the-sand.blogspot.com]

The Second Amendment and a detailed definition:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." [link to line-in-the-sand.blogspot.com]

It is an individual right.
 Quoting: Resister


really all of them have to do with the indivdual. no where is the fedral gov. given the rights they have taken.
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The American Constitution is unique in the world.
It made the United States the greatest country on the planet.

People have been trying to destroy it since its inception.

Ain't gonna happen...

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am I being blocked?
just tried posting a response, and twice it did not appear
so, I'm trying this
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am I being blocked?
just tried posting a response, and twice it did not appear
so, I'm trying this
 Quoting: Nancy (Lazaryan) Hutchison


cool..so this is what I had previously tried to post:


Bush was correct, the constitution is just a piece of paper.
Words that represent an agreement, a contract amongst the People on how they chose to live together in society. However, it is just a piece of paper.
Where are your neighbors when "your rights protected by the constitution" are violated? It is your neighbors, the other people that are in agreement under the constitution, that are supposed to protect you.

Where are YOU when someone else's rights have been violated?
If you want to spout off about "constitutional rights", then be real.
Your rights are never going to be protected until and unless you actively are protecting someone else's rights.

The last time "neighbors got together to enforce the constitution", the North invaded the South.

It is all an ILLUSION.
The Southern States figured out the illusion 150 years ago. They asserted STATE'S RIGHTS under the constitution, and were invaded in the "War of Northern Aggression" -- what the history books call the "Civil War".

IMO people need to learn Natural Law.
The relationship of one thing to another.
And find a force that is greater than violence.

Yes, that is difficult to comprehend, as we have been programmed that force is the same as violence.

IMO--Your individual actions of protecting and caring for LIFE is that power.
Your hand, used to build instead of destroy. Your voice, used to sooth instead of incite. Your choice of your actions changes the game.

I know this because I have been there, and I am now there.
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I been spouting this for the last 6 weeks, glad someone caught on.

Thank you op!


Thread: Let’s Give Up on the Constitution! - New York Times (Page 5)
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Can we have drones too? Those things set a whole new pretense

to defending yourself and the constitution.
 Quoting: KimmieAnnaJones


It is worth noting that the biggest military weapon of the day in the late 1700's was a naval ship's cannon. It was a weapon that could pound on an entire city from far out of reach of small arms and no law was put in place to prevent people from having that.

Washington didn't defeat the British with his first amendment right to free speech. He shot them.
 Quoting: Resister


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I been spouting this for the last 6 weeks, glad someone caught on.

Thank you op!


Thread: Let’s Give Up on the Constitution! - New York Times (Page 5)
 Quoting: Chrit


Well, the bill of rights is over 200 years old and a lot of people still haven't "caught on". Thank you for your efforts. We all need to pay more attention to the things that really matter and not the overwhelming amount of fleeting drivel that pop culture chases after.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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I found a really cool article today and just had to share. The 3rd amendment is pretty much ignored as completely irrelevant today. It shouldn’t be, because it provides and excellent backdrop for just how far the 2nd amendment was really intended to go. The American British colonists actually had to deal with standing armies roaming the streets that ransacked people’s houses for food, supplies, and shelter. The 2nd amendment was written because of the need to be able to defend your home from that kind of tyranny. A single shot pop gun isn’t going to do the job if the BATFE, the FBI, or the military come knocking. To adequately defend yourself, you need to be at least as well armed as the attacker even if that attacker is modern military.

Here is the article. [link to freedomoutpost.com]


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 Quoting: Resister


[link to www.youtube.com]

At 1:44 is a nice explanation of the 3rd amendment in the context your speaking of.
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am I being blocked?
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 Quoting: Nancy (Lazaryan) Hutchison


cool..so this is what I had previously tried to post:


Bush was correct, the constitution is just a piece of paper.
Words that represent an agreement, a contract amongst the People on how they chose to live together in society. However, it is just a piece of paper.
Where are your neighbors when "your rights protected by the constitution" are violated? It is your neighbors, the other people that are in agreement under the constitution, that are supposed to protect you.

Where are YOU when someone else's rights have been violated?
If you want to spout off about "constitutional rights", then be real.
Your rights are never going to be protected until and unless you actively are protecting someone else's rights.

The last time "neighbors got together to enforce the constitution", the North invaded the South.

It is all an ILLUSION.
The Southern States figured out the illusion 150 years ago. They asserted STATE'S RIGHTS under the constitution, and were invaded in the "War of Northern Aggression" -- what the history books call the "Civil War".

IMO people need to learn Natural Law.
The relationship of one thing to another.
And find a force that is greater than violence.

Yes, that is difficult to comprehend, as we have been programmed that force is the same as violence.

IMO--Your individual actions of protecting and caring for LIFE is that power.
Your hand, used to build instead of destroy. Your voice, used to sooth instead of incite. Your choice of your actions changes the game.

I know this because I have been there, and I am now there.
 Quoting: Nancy (Lazaryan) Hutchison


clappa
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The American Constitution is unique in the world.
It made the United States the greatest country on the planet.

People have been trying to destroy it since its inception.

Ain't gonna happen...

 Quoting: Waterbug


Did you just crawl out from under a rock? Were you on a long vacation? In jail?

The constitution at this point in time, per GWB, is just a god****ed piece of paper.

You have freely given up all your rights. The 'fight' over the 2nd amendment is just a pretext.

It's a FAIL by the NRA too, that argues, not to have a well armed militia, but wants to have a very watered down 2nd amendment.
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The American Constitution is unique in the world.
It made the United States the greatest country on the planet.

People have been trying to destroy it since its inception.

Ain't gonna happen...

 Quoting: Waterbug


Did you just crawl out from under a rock? Were you on a long vacation? In jail?

The constitution at this point in time, per GWB, is just a god****ed piece of paper.

You have freely given up all your rights. The 'fight' over the 2nd amendment is just a pretext.

It's a FAIL by the NRA too, that argues, not to have a well armed militia, but wants to have a very watered down 2nd amendment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33801296


The global elite have been trying to turn us into a UK lapdog like Canada for 100 years. No thanks to our neigbors with the lizard bitch on their money.

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Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


Posted for the benefit of those who have never bothered to read the Bill of Rights.
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In Afghanistan we completely took over a man's house, (the house was more like a small fort). I thought of the 3rd amendment at the time and how disgusted and angry I would be if someone occupied my house by force and implied violence just because they could.
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Cool article, thanks for sharing it.
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To uphold the Third Amendment requires enforcement. To enforce your private property rights you will need some firepower. That’s where your right to bear arms comes into play.

Exactly. These laws were written to protect the American Public against the Invading Hordes who had one purpose: to strip the American Public of their assets, rights and freedoms for the Profit of a Few Internationals. How is this any different now that the Republic has been pawned by pseudo-American Corporate Spokespeople/Politicians/Spies owned by this present Invasion by Corporate Multinational Pirates. They are stripping the US of not just Her wealth, but Her Spirit and Energy…they plunder social services for profit and make Corporate laws that are sold by the fake justice system above the Constitutional/Peoples laws. They own it all and they are NOT American’s…they are the cuckoo’s egg in the dove’s nest…Disgusting soulless and murderous Confidence Tricksters.

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Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


Posted for the benefit of those who have never bothered to read the Bill of Rights.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


In Afghanistan we completely took over a man's house, (the house was more like a small fort). I thought of the 3rd amendment at the time and how disgusted and angry I would be if someone occupied my house by force and implied violence just because they could.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


This is why we need to stand up for and defend our rights folks. What is there to stop our military from being deployed here to do exactly the same things here? Nothing but that "peice of paper" and the people who stand up for it and themselves.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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The American Constitution is unique in the world.
It made the United States the greatest country on the planet.

People have been trying to destroy it since its inception.

Ain't gonna happen...

 Quoting: Waterbug


Did you just crawl out from under a rock? Were you on a long vacation? In jail?

The constitution at this point in time, per GWB, is just a god****ed piece of paper.

You have freely given up all your rights. The 'fight' over the 2nd amendment is just a pretext.

It's a FAIL by the NRA too, that argues, not to have a well armed militia, but wants to have a very watered down 2nd amendment.
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Do not presume to define me, other than by my words..

Fuck that other shit.. not my doing.

I stand by my words, as written.
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The American Constitution is unique in the world.
It made the United States the greatest country on the planet.

People have been trying to destroy it since its inception.

Ain't gonna happen...

 Quoting: Waterbug


Did you just crawl out from under a rock? Were you on a long vacation? In jail?

The constitution at this point in time, per GWB, is just a god****ed piece of paper.

You have freely given up all your rights. The 'fight' over the 2nd amendment is just a pretext.

It's a FAIL by the NRA too, that argues, not to have a well armed militia, but wants to have a very watered down 2nd amendment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33801296


Do not presume to define me, other than by my words..

Fuck that other shit.. not my doing.

I stand by my words, as written.
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The Constitution is far from unique in the world.

Most other countries have adopted our constitution and made changes specific to their cultures.

It may have been the first, an original, but definitely not unique.

Eat you words.
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The American Constitution is unique in the world.
It made the United States the greatest country on the planet.

People have been trying to destroy it since its inception.

Ain't gonna happen...

 Quoting: Waterbug


Did you just crawl out from under a rock? Were you on a long vacation? In jail?

The constitution at this point in time, per GWB, is just a god****ed piece of paper.

You have freely given up all your rights. The 'fight' over the 2nd amendment is just a pretext.

It's a FAIL by the NRA too, that argues, not to have a well armed militia, but wants to have a very watered down 2nd amendment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33801296


Do not presume to define me, other than by my words..

Fuck that other shit.. not my doing.

I stand by my words, as written.
 Quoting: Waterbug


The Constitution is far from unique in the world.

Most other countries have adopted our constitution and made changes specific to their cultures.

It may have been the first, an original, but definitely not unique.

Eat you words.
 Quoting: Prof X


How many of those other countries have the right to keep and bear arms, fuzznuts..?

Eat a bag.
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Dick Bill H.R. 11654 1902.

All the laws in the world do not matter if no one takes them to court to fight it. I see everyone bitching and complaining it is against this and that but no one standing up in a court room to fight it.

Just like a criminals view. it is not a crime until you get charged.
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Just a little bump.
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Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


Posted for the benefit of those who have never bothered to read the Bill of Rights.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33832742


In Afghanistan we completely took over a man's house, (the house was more like a small fort). I thought of the 3rd amendment at the time and how disgusted and angry I would be if someone occupied my house by force and implied violence just because they could.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Obviously, the Bill of Rights was never meant to apply to our victims.

The American Empire could not exist if it did.

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