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Wow,

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Can't find roots beyond my Great Grand Mother who was a Kituwah Cherokee. First western settlers in eastern Oklahoma. She died when my Grand Mother was 2 yrs. old. I cant find ancestors even through census and rolls. Nobody is alive from my Mothers side of family where this bloodline is.

How can I get help ?
Not looking for any tribal relief, just where my roots go beyond.
I don't want to offend a tribe by asking, as it is my understanding, that the Kituwah had prided themselves by not mixing blood, therefore keeping true blood.
My Grandmother said her Mothers tribe settled before the second wave of tribal settlers moved west, including before the trail of tears.

Any suggestions ? Who would I consult ?

Thanks Fox, always like your posts. I did live on Ellsworth in the early 70's when I was younger. You were never stationed there were you ?
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First, no never at Ellsworth, every where else tho. lol About your ancestors, the problem is that no clear records were kept on early Natives. The government did not consider them more than any other animal so they kept no records hardly before the trail of tears. They did log some of them. If you have no relatives to rely on, the trail is cold. IMO
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Hey, Desert Fox! Good idea for a thread. For the AC, it may not be a total dead end. My mom has done a lot of work on several family trees. Have you checked Ancestry.com? It could be that someone else has a piece of info that will connect with yours. It IS only a shot in the dark, but worth a try.
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Hey buddy, thanks. I like helpful threads, I start enough of the fun, poop stirring ones too, but those are not who I am. Good Input. hf DF
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Can't find roots beyond my Great Grand Mother who was a Kituwah Cherokee. First western settlers in eastern Oklahoma. She died when my Grand Mother was 2 yrs. old. I cant find ancestors even through census and rolls. Nobody is alive from my Mothers side of family where this bloodline is.

How can I get help ?
Not looking for any tribal relief, just where my roots go beyond.
I don't want to offend a tribe by asking, as it is my understanding, that the Kituwah had prided themselves by not mixing blood, therefore keeping true blood.
My Grandmother said her Mothers tribe settled before the second wave of tribal settlers moved west, including before the trail of tears.

Any suggestions ? Who would I consult ?

Thanks Fox, always like your posts. I did live on Ellsworth in the early 70's when I was younger. You were never stationed there were you ?
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First, no never at Ellsworth, every where else tho. lol About your ancestors, the problem is that no clear records were kept on early Natives. The government did not consider them more than any other animal so they kept no records hardly before the trail of tears. They did log some of them. If you have no relatives to rely on, the trail is cold. IMO
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Yes, have tried ancestor dot com, no luck, no luck on early settlers rolls, as those rolls, what left of them, were the second wave of settlers in which the first settlers had division with. I can try consulting the tribe, as they have formed a new union in 2005. I just wanted to see if there was another way prior to going to the tribe. I even considered maybe seeing a Shaman, you never know, right ?

Thank you Fox, and all you others as well.

Peace


Hey, Desert Fox! Good idea for a thread. For the AC, it may not be a total dead end. My mom has done a lot of work on several family trees. Have you checked Ancestry.com? It could be that someone else has a piece of info that will connect with yours. It IS only a shot in the dark, but worth a try.
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She could try that, but records about Natives are scarce for that time period. I would suggest she does contact the tribe, they will not be offended, if so, nothing ventured nothing gained.
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Can't find roots beyond my Great Grand Mother who was a Kituwah Cherokee. First western settlers in eastern Oklahoma. She died when my Grand Mother was 2 yrs. old. I cant find ancestors even through census and rolls. Nobody is alive from my Mothers side of family where this bloodline is.

How can I get help ?
Not looking for any tribal relief, just where my roots go beyond.
I don't want to offend a tribe by asking, as it is my understanding, that the Kituwah had prided themselves by not mixing blood, therefore keeping true blood.
My Grandmother said her Mothers tribe settled before the second wave of tribal settlers moved west, including before the trail of tears.

Any suggestions ? Who would I consult ?

Thanks Fox, always like your posts. I did live on Ellsworth in the early 70's when I was younger. You were never stationed there were you ?
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First, no never at Ellsworth, every where else tho. lol About your ancestors, the problem is that no clear records were kept on early Natives. The government did not consider them more than any other animal so they kept no records hardly before the trail of tears. They did log some of them. If you have no relatives to rely on, the trail is cold. IMO
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Hey, Desert Fox! Good idea for a thread. For the AC, it may not be a total dead end. My mom has done a lot of work on several family trees. Have you checked Ancestry.com? It could be that someone else has a piece of info that will connect with yours. It IS only a shot in the dark, but worth a try.
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She could try that, but records about Natives are scarce for that time period. I would suggest she does contact the tribe, they will not be offended, if so, nothing ventured nothing gained.
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You're right, that would be the best place to look. Geneology is all about digging for info in the most obscure places. I can't tell you how many very old cemetaries I've been to over the years, to do headstone rubbings. The information shows up in places you would never think of. AC, I would think it wouldn't be too much different going to the tribe for information than it is to go traipsing around Europe looking through 3-400 yr. old church records. Good luck, hon. I hope you find what you're looking for.
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Wow,

Thank you so much
Sad in Texas
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You're welcome. Sometimes it helps to just have someone to talk to. Thank you for sharing!

smile_kiss
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Exact point of my thread.hf DF
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That was weird how it replied, had my reply all stuck in the middle in blue....


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Yes, have tried ancestor dot com, no luck, no luck on early settlers rolls, as those rolls, what left of them, were the second wave of settlers in which the first settlers had division with. I can try consulting the tribe, as they have formed a new union in 2005. I just wanted to see if there was another way prior to going to the tribe. I even considered maybe seeing a Shaman, you never know, right ?

Thank you Fox, and all you others as well.

Peace y'all
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That was weird how it replied, had my reply all stuck in the middle in blue....


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Yes, have tried ancestor dot com, no luck, no luck on early settlers rolls, as those rolls, what left of them, were the second wave of settlers in which the first settlers had division with. I can try consulting the tribe, as they have formed a new union in 2005. I just wanted to see if there was another way prior to going to the tribe. I even considered maybe seeing a Shaman, you never know, right ?

Thank you Fox, and all you others as well.

Peace y'all
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peace Good luck. hf DF
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@sad in Tx....things have a way of getting better. Hang in, and just sent some happy thoughts your way.

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Can't find roots beyond my Great Grand Mother who was a Kituwah Cherokee. First western settlers in eastern Oklahoma. She died when my Grand Mother was 2 yrs. old. I cant find ancestors even through census and rolls. Nobody is alive from my Mothers side of family where this bloodline is.

How can I get help ?
Not looking for any tribal relief, just where my roots go beyond.
I don't want to offend a tribe by asking, as it is my understanding, that the Kituwah had prided themselves by not mixing blood, therefore keeping true blood.
My Grandmother said her Mothers tribe settled before the second wave of tribal settlers moved west, including before the trail of tears.

Any suggestions ? Who would I consult ?

Thanks Fox, always like your posts. I did live on Ellsworth in the early 70's when I was younger. You were never stationed there were you ?
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You might get some good info by going the the Five Civilized Tribes or Dawes Rolls.
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Thanks for the cool thread. I have a grievance I'd like to get of my chest. I've lived in a rented house for the past 16 months. The rent has never been late and we've taken good care of the place. When we gave notice last week and requested a refund of our deposit, the landlord began demanding that I fix a bunch of rotted wood and rusted hardware on some of the decking and fences if I wanted my deposit back. When I challenged this, he began insulting my wife and myself, stating that the reason we are leaving is that I can't find work here and that no one at my wife's office likes her. I've never even tried to find work here, I'm a full time dad and I also make plenty cash as a consultant. He then went on to make some implied threats of violence. I think the guy is off his rocker, and I'm doing my best to not respond in kind. We still have another three weeks to live here, so I'm a bit concerned for our safety. FYI, we're not on the mainland, so the rules are a bit different here...
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Did you have a rental agreement? Usually if there is a deposit required the agreement will list what it covers, i.e., the condition of the stove, refrigerator, bathroom fixtures, the carpeting (clean), garbage/car parts in the garage, etc. I'm not a lawyer, but if it didn't mention rotten wood and rusty hinges it seems like you'd not need to legally replace them. One time we rented from a really anal-retentive landlady, and she listed the light fixtures, towel racks, curtain rods, light bulbs, and every ratty piece of furniture! She must have learned over the years that if it wasn't in the rental agreement she couldn't gripe about it. Luckily we saved the old pieces of furniture when we gradually replaced them with somewhat better pieces, so she got back all of her original stuff.

You say that you're "not on the mainland". So would that be Hawaii? But even there, there must be landlord-tenant rules and legalities. They may even be listed on the Internet. Many landlords ARE bullies, and they count on renters not wanting to hassle with looking up the laws. Good luck!
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That was weird how it replied, had my reply all stuck in the middle in blue....


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Yes, have tried ancestor dot com, no luck, no luck on early settlers rolls, as those rolls, what left of them, were the second wave of settlers in which the first settlers had division with. I can try consulting the tribe, as they have formed a new union in 2005. I just wanted to see if there was another way prior to going to the tribe. I even considered maybe seeing a Shaman, you never know, right ?

Thank you Fox, and all you others as well.

Peace y'all
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I think that's the only avenue left. I don't know too much about how getting information from the tribes works, but if you present your problem the way you did here, I'll bet you will get an answer back. Give them as much information as you have, so they have something to work with. Just be ready for the non-answer. We can't find ANY paper on my great-grandmother. It's really odd. If future generations were looking for her, they'd think she never existed. All of the paper records on her have been scrubbed. We think we know why, we just don't know how it was done!
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Thanks for the cool thread. I have a grievance I'd like to get of my chest. I've lived in a rented house for the past 16 months. The rent has never been late and we've taken good care of the place. When we gave notice last week and requested a refund of our deposit, the landlord began demanding that I fix a bunch of rotted wood and rusted hardware on some of the decking and fences if I wanted my deposit back. When I challenged this, he began insulting my wife and myself, stating that the reason we are leaving is that I can't find work here and that no one at my wife's office likes her. I've never even tried to find work here, I'm a full time dad and I also make plenty cash as a consultant. He then went on to make some implied threats of violence. I think the guy is off his rocker, and I'm doing my best to not respond in kind. We still have another three weeks to live here, so I'm a bit concerned for our safety. FYI, we're not on the mainland, so the rules are a bit different here...
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Did you have a rental agreement? Usually if there is a deposit required the agreement will list what it covers, i.e., the condition of the stove, refrigerator, bathroom fixtures, the carpeting (clean), garbage/car parts in the garage, etc. I'm not a lawyer, but if it didn't mention rotten wood and rusty hinges it seems like you'd not need to legally replace them. One time we rented from a really anal-retentive landlady, and she listed the light fixtures, towel racks, curtain rods, light bulbs, and every ratty piece of furniture! She must have learned over the years that if it wasn't in the rental agreement she couldn't gripe about it. Luckily we saved the old pieces of furniture when we gradually replaced them with somewhat better pieces, so she got back all of her original stuff.

You say that you're "not on the mainland". So would that be Hawaii? But even there, there must be landlord-tenant rules and legalities. They may even be listed on the Internet. Many landlords ARE bullies, and they count on renters not wanting to hassle with looking up the laws. Good luck!
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We all have things we feel we have no one to talk to about. Sometimes it just helps to unload it to help free your mind and heart. The longer we hold things inside us, the more stressed and depressed we become. This is a "no fault" thread, someone else is, or have, gone thru what you are struggling with and will probably comment back to you. JUST DUMP IT HERE. DF
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I am really frustrated by life right now. I am trying to move out of the country but am worrying about the details. I am a single mother of 4 and will be leaving with a fair amount of money with which I can start a business, but, choosing a business is stressful.... And, the fact that if we fail - the children and I won't have much to come back to has me nearly in a panic constantly. I am following my heart, but part of me is still worried.

Thanks for letting me write that out. I feel better now. SEriously. LOL
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I don't fit in with the world and though I have an extreme faith in God and His Son Jesus Christ I do not fit in with the church as well. I have a hard time relating to anyone or anything. I do not know how to resolve this?
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Can't find roots beyond my Great Grand Mother who was a Kituwah Cherokee. First western settlers in eastern Oklahoma. She died when my Grand Mother was 2 yrs. old. I cant find ancestors even through census and rolls. Nobody is alive from my Mothers side of family where this bloodline is.

How can I get help ?
Not looking for any tribal relief, just where my roots go beyond.
I don't want to offend a tribe by asking, as it is my understanding, that the Kituwah had prided themselves by not mixing blood, therefore keeping true blood.
My Grandmother said her Mothers tribe settled before the second wave of tribal settlers moved west, including before the trail of tears.

Any suggestions ? Who would I consult ?

Thanks Fox, always like your posts. I did live on Ellsworth in the early 70's when I was younger. You were never stationed there were you ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14703874

You might get some good info by going the the Five Civilized Tribes or Dawes Rolls.
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I had read somewhere(cant remember)maybe GLP?that lots of the old original Natives moved from Arkansas,oklahoma etc before the very first waves were started.

they moved down into Mexico...think maybe it was on a thread on GLP about the Ark being in Arkansas so the original peoples moved it to Mexico.

Hope that helped some,but you really should check with Oklahoma for records,they helped a friend of mine from Texas a few years back.
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We all have things we feel we have no one to talk to about. Sometimes it just helps to unload it to help free your mind and heart. The longer we hold things inside us, the more stressed and depressed we become. This is a "no fault" thread, someone else is, or have, gone thru what you are struggling with and will probably comment back to you. JUST DUMP IT HERE. DF
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I am really frustrated by life right now. I am trying to move out of the country but am worrying about the details. I am a single mother of 4 and will be leaving with a fair amount of money with which I can start a business, but, choosing a business is stressful.... And, the fact that if we fail - the children and I won't have much to come back to has me nearly in a panic constantly. I am following my heart, but part of me is still worried.

Thanks for letting me write that out. I feel better now. SEriously. LOL
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Good, glad you came here. Follow your heart, but trust your mind and get good advice before the move. Green is not always on the other side of the fence. Good luck.
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I don't fit in with the world and though I have an extreme faith in God and His Son Jesus Christ I do not fit in with the church as well. I have a hard time relating to anyone or anything. I do not know how to resolve this?
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May I ask why you feel you don't fit in with the church?
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Im taking care of someone with Dimentai ! And sometimes I think Im loosing my mind! Its a horrible illness sometimes your just a punching bag! Very cool thread just what I needed OP!bump
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My heart goes out to you. Very hard to deal with, hang in there. You are so much stronger and stable then you think. hf
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Im taking care of someone with Dimentai ! And sometimes I think Im loosing my mind! Its a horrible illness sometimes your just a punching bag! Very cool thread just what I needed OP!bump
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you have more strength than me... i would not be able to take care of someone suffering from dementia.. i know myself...

thank god people like you exist.

hf
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My mom has Alzheimer's. you aren't alone. It's really difficult to deal with, I know.

Hugs to you from me grouphug
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Im taking care of someone with Dimentai ! And sometimes I think Im loosing my mind! Its a horrible illness sometimes your just a punching bag! Very cool thread just what I needed OP!bump
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My heart goes out to you. Very hard to deal with, hang in there. You are so much stronger and stable then you think. hf
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True, when it comes down to it, we all can dig just a little deeper.
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Can't find roots beyond my Great Grand Mother who was a Kituwah Cherokee. First western settlers in eastern Oklahoma. She died when my Grand Mother was 2 yrs. old. I cant find ancestors even through census and rolls. Nobody is alive from my Mothers side of family where this bloodline is.

How can I get help ?
Not looking for any tribal relief, just where my roots go beyond.
I don't want to offend a tribe by asking, as it is my understanding, that the Kituwah had prided themselves by not mixing blood, therefore keeping true blood.
My Grandmother said her Mothers tribe settled before the second wave of tribal settlers moved west, including before the trail of tears.

Any suggestions ? Who would I consult ?

Thanks Fox, always like your posts. I did live on Ellsworth in the early 70's when I was younger. You were never stationed there were you ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14703874

You might get some good info by going the the Five Civilized Tribes or Dawes Rolls.
 Quoting: Nine's


I had read somewhere(cant remember)maybe GLP?that lots of the old original Natives moved from Arkansas,oklahoma etc before the very first waves were started.

they moved down into Mexico...think maybe it was on a thread on GLP about the Ark being in Arkansas so the original peoples moved it to Mexico.

Hope that helped some,but you really should check with Oklahoma for records,they helped a friend of mine from Texas a few years back.
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Census Records might help too.

Names for the Census for West of the Mississippi between 1851-1909 were:

1851 Old Settlers Rolls

1852 Drennan Roll

1808-1914 Dawes Roll Final Allotment Rolls

1909 Guion Miller Roll
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Im taking care of someone with Dimentai ! And sometimes I think Im loosing my mind! Its a horrible illness sometimes your just a punching bag! Very cool thread just what I needed OP!bump
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you have more strength than me... i would not be able to take care of someone suffering from dementia.. i know myself...

thank god people like you exist.

hf
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My mom has Alzheimer's. you aren't alone. It's really difficult to deal with, I know.

Hugs to you from me grouphug
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hf DF
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Thread: Is the Ark of the covenant in Arkansas?
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My girlfriend of 3 years broke up with me the day before valentines day.
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Time to start looking, maybe. Better to know her now than ten years down the road.
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From a woman's viewpoint, let me assure you that it was no accident that (although she'd no doubt been planning it for awhile) she chose THAT exact time to make her decision known to you. So when the thought crosses your mind (and it WILL) that maybe you'd like to try to get back together with her, just remember how it felt to be dumped at that particular time and banish that thought!!

And Fox is right. It's unfortunate that you invested three years in the relationship, but at the same time both of you undoubtedly grew and benefitted in various ways from your time together. And it truly IS better to have had this happen BEFORE you guys perhaps made it more permanent. Divorce is EXPENSIVE!!!!! And things will gradually get better for you, I promise!

That having been said, I have to tell you that when I read your post, it sounded like the title of a Country-Western song. hf
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My girlfriend of 3 years broke up with me the day before valentines day.
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Time to start looking, maybe. Better to know her now than ten years down the road.
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From a woman's viewpoint, let me assure you that it was no accident that (although she'd no doubt been planning it for awhile) she chose THAT exact time to make her decision known to you. So when the thought crosses your mind (and it WILL) that maybe you'd like to try to get back together with her, just remember how it felt to be dumped at that particular time and banish that thought!!

And Fox is right. It's unfortunate that you invested three years in the relationship, but at the same time both of you undoubtedly grew and benefitted in various ways from your time together. And it truly IS better to have had this happen BEFORE you guys perhaps made it more permanent. Divorce is EXPENSIVE!!!!! And things will gradually get better for you, I promise!

That having been said, I have to tell you that when I read your post, it sounded like the title of a Country-Western song. hf
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Good comment dear. Great advice.
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Can't find roots beyond my Great Grand Mother who was a Kituwah Cherokee. First western settlers in eastern Oklahoma. She died when my Grand Mother was 2 yrs. old. I cant find ancestors even through census and rolls. Nobody is alive from my Mothers side of family where this bloodline is.

How can I get help ?
Not looking for any tribal relief, just where my roots go beyond.
I don't want to offend a tribe by asking, as it is my understanding, that the Kituwah had prided themselves by not mixing blood, therefore keeping true blood.
My Grandmother said her Mothers tribe settled before the second wave of tribal settlers moved west, including before the trail of tears.

Any suggestions ? Who would I consult ?

Thanks Fox, always like your posts. I did live on Ellsworth in the early 70's when I was younger. You were never stationed there were you ?
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Not to butt in, but have you contacted the Latter Day Saints (Mormons)? I'd bet that they have a Church somewhere in your town. If anyone could find out more about your family ancestors, it would be them! And they would be really happy to help you look, they have access to records which most people don't even know exist!!
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Unable to find a real job in my city. Don't wanna go into my savings account but I'm probably gonna have to. Car broke down the first day I stared at my new job. Then I got fired from that job that same week for failing some stupid test.

Ah man, fuck it, stay positive.
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Unable to find a real job in my city. Don't wanna go into my savings account but I'm probably gonna have to. Car broke down the first day I stared at my new job. Then I got fired from that job that same week for failing some stupid test.

Ah man, fuck it, stay positive.
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Tough luck for sure. Hang in there buddy.
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