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BRKG: Cops Responding To Shootout With Federal Officials, LA Times Confirms Dorner. Update: Dorner May Have Died In Fiery Blaze, Or Escaped

 
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So, did they find a body in the cabin?
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MSM says yes. No positive ID yet.
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we believe so.. leaks have come out through out the night.. they have a crispy critter
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So, did they find a body in the cabin?
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MSM says yes. No positive ID yet.
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Thanks!
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So, did they find a body in the cabin?
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MSM says yes. No positive ID yet.
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Thanks!
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Your welcome, OP! hf
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to me it seems like the killing of JC all over again.
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to me it seems like the killing of JC all over again.
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um...
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to me it seems like the killing of JC all over again.
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um...
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That's a little over the top.
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cause that's where we're headed, to the top and over it.
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Many cops are worried that this will lead to copycat killers and even to civil unrest. They should be.

The whole operation was a fuckup from the start. Dorner was a wannabe desk jockey and yet he was able to kill multiple people - including LEOs AND tie up vast amounts of police resources. They should be worried about what to do if two or three future Dorners ever get together and start doing the things dorner had planned. What if these future serial cop killers were actual combat vets?

Who wants to bet that these events lead to some sort of crackdown on veterans owning firearms?
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Many cops are worried that this will lead to copycat killers and even to civil unrest. They should be.

The whole operation was a fuckup from the start. Dorner was a wannabe desk jockey and yet he was able to kill multiple people - including LEOs AND tie up vast amounts of police resources. They should be worried about what to do if two or three future Dorners ever get together and start doing the things dorner had planned. What if these future serial cop killers were actual combat vets?

Who wants to bet that these events lead to some sort of crackdown on veterans owning firearms?
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so how did you know Dohner all the way from Australia. pen pals or something?
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BBC has reported of online suspicion of fire started by police!

Here> Thread: BBC reports online suspicion of Dorner cabin fire being started by police !!! - Video report
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It's not a suspicion nor a theory, it's a fact. Goes to show that these so called 'mainstream news media' outlets are redundant. 'The internet' forced them to report on it.

All the while the propaganda arm of certain government agencies are out in force trying to deflect the actions of the police for killing a guy, while trying to explain away the "burners".

We all heard the police scanners and it's as clear as day what they did.
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I don't know how many ways to take "burn the mother fucker" lol
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Many cops are worried that this will lead to copycat killers and even to civil unrest. They should be.

The whole operation was a fuckup from the start. Dorner was a wannabe desk jockey and yet he was able to kill multiple people - including LEOs AND tie up vast amounts of police resources. They should be worried about what to do if two or three future Dorners ever get together and start doing the things dorner had planned. What if these future serial cop killers were actual combat vets?

Who wants to bet that these events lead to some sort of crackdown on veterans owning firearms?
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so how did you know Dohner all the way from Australia. pen pals or something?
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Butthurt that your fave new antihero turned out to be a loser who was lucky enough not to die on day 1?

One of my buds in the US knew Dorner in flight school. Flight school was just one failure... Personal, professional, the guy was a walking disaster area, but he thought he was invincible right to the end. One thing I'll give him - he certainly didn't go meekly on his last day of life.

Still a loser though.
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Many cops are worried that this will lead to copycat killers and even to civil unrest. They should be.

The whole operation was a fuckup from the start. Dorner was a wannabe desk jockey and yet he was able to kill multiple people - including LEOs AND tie up vast amounts of police resources. They should be worried about what to do if two or three future Dorners ever get together and start doing the things dorner had planned. What if these future serial cop killers were actual combat vets?

Who wants to bet that these events lead to some sort of crackdown on veterans owning firearms?
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If anything it makes a case for disarming police.
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He's there...he's not there

He's dead... he's not dead

They murdered him...he got away


Geez you guys are smart


GG
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So, what's your take on it, genius?
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Absolutely nothing, I guess.
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Many cops are worried that this will lead to copycat killers and even to civil unrest. They should be.

The whole operation was a fuckup from the start. Dorner was a wannabe desk jockey and yet he was able to kill multiple people - including LEOs AND tie up vast amounts of police resources. They should be worried about what to do if two or three future Dorners ever get together and start doing the things dorner had planned. What if these future serial cop killers were actual combat vets?

Who wants to bet that these events lead to some sort of crackdown on veterans owning firearms?
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so how did you know Dohner all the way from Australia. pen pals or something?
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Butthurt that your fave new antihero turned out to be a loser who was lucky enough not to die on day 1?

One of my buds in the US knew Dorner in flight school. Flight school was just one failure... Personal, professional, the guy was a walking disaster area, but he thought he was invincible right to the end. One thing I'll give him - he certainly didn't go meekly on his last day of life.

Still a loser though.
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clappa
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Sry.. our media has been very one sided, they even told us Dorner's a cripsy corpse... like it was a fact..

I urge some of you to go back to the beginning, a key person in any real exposure was murdered first.. why? what were her movement's in the days/weeks before, did she have a lapse of guilt? did she contact Dorner?

What of the officers that were killed? on what side of corruption did they stand.. would they have backed up Dorner if the matter was reopened.. fresh evidence maybee?

Everything about this entire circus stinks.. so we must start with what may be the only real truths in this matter.. and they may be found in the past?

Just my brain... thinking stuff..
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I fear this is setting a very dangerous precedence. What will happen if there are innocent people who just want to follow the Constitution and exercise their guaranteed rights, maybe to gather in a private home, doing nothing unlawful, and the "authorities" really don't want us talking to each other. The Constitution means nothing to these people anymore ... this last little Waco has proven that. How many of us will reach the same fate and never know what we did to deserve it?
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One of my buds in the US knew Dorner in flight school. Flight school was just one failure... Personal, professional, the guy was a walking disaster area, but he thought he was invincible right to the end.
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So, which worse nutjobs got through flight school and are currently flying over us with armed bombs? This looks bad for the police and the military no matter how you spin it.
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I fear this is setting a very dangerous precedence. What will happen if there are innocent people who just want to follow the Constitution and exercise their guaranteed rights, maybe to gather in a private home, doing nothing unlawful, and the "authorities" really don't want us talking to each other. The Constitution means nothing to these people anymore ... this last little Waco has proven that. How many of us will reach the same fate and never know what we did to deserve it?
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bumpbumpbumphitit
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Many cops are worried that this will lead to copycat killers and even to civil unrest. They should be.

The whole operation was a fuckup from the start. Dorner was a wannabe desk jockey and yet he was able to kill multiple people - including LEOs AND tie up vast amounts of police resources. They should be worried about what to do if two or three future Dorners ever get together and start doing the things dorner had planned. What if these future serial cop killers were actual combat vets?

Who wants to bet that these events lead to some sort of crackdown on veterans owning firearms?
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Wow...I never thought of that, and now with this audio coming out...this may be how stuff starts.
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Many cops are worried that this will lead to copycat killers and even to civil unrest. They should be.

The whole operation was a fuckup from the start. Dorner was a wannabe desk jockey and yet he was able to kill multiple people - including LEOs AND tie up vast amounts of police resources. They should be worried about what to do if two or three future Dorners ever get together and start doing the things dorner had planned. What if these future serial cop killers were actual combat vets?

Who wants to bet that these events lead to some sort of crackdown on veterans owning firearms?
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Lol you just proved how little you know about thise entire thing. Please shut up
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One of my buds in the US knew Dorner in flight school. Flight school was just one failure... Personal, professional, the guy was a walking disaster area, but he thought he was invincible right to the end.
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So, which worse nutjobs got through flight school and are currently flying over us with armed bombs? This looks bad for the police and the military no matter how you spin it.
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Flight school? Wow you people really dont know a fucking thing about this guy, Continue to feed the media trolls though
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Sry.. our media has been very one sided, they even told us Dorner's a cripsy corpse... like it was a fact..

I urge some of you to go back to the beginning, a key person in any real exposure was murdered first.. why? what were her movement's in the days/weeks before, did she have a lapse of guilt? did she contact Dorner?

What of the officers that were killed? on what side of corruption did they stand.. would they have backed up Dorner if the matter was reopened.. fresh evidence maybee?

Everything about this entire circus stinks.. so we must start with what may be the only real truths in this matter.. and they may be found in the past?

Just my brain... thinking stuff..
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The person murdered first had nothing to do with the ordeal OTHER than being the daughter of the man who defended Dorner during the investigation into his allegations. Dorner decided he disliked Mr Quan, so he killed Quans daughter. So her "movements" in the "days and weeks" before are inconsequential. She didn't have contact with him at all. I doubt she even knew who he was. She was a basketball coach worried about her team and her life.. making wedding plans with her fiance.

The officers that were killed...weren't even aware of Dorners corruption claims. They weren't on his 50 people manifesto kill list. One was the fiance of Miss Quan. He was killed because of his relationship with the daughter...he happened to be sitting in the car with her when Dorner ambushed her.

The officer in Riverside...was assigned to guard one of Dorners targets, then got the call that Dorner had been spotted. He went to the scene, his cop car was sprayed with bullets by Dorner. He died doing his job. Had nothing to do with Dorners manifesto.

The officer at Big Bear, died doing his job, had nothing to do with Dorners manifesto.

Dorner had a list of 50 people he felt were corrupt and he wanted to kill. He didn't kill any of them. He managed to kill the DAUGHTER of one of them....and then killed random cops who were out doing their jobs.
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there is no reason to ever believe anything the authorities say.
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He's there...he's not there

He's dead... he's not dead

They murdered him...he got away


Geez you guys are smart


GG
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So, what's your take on it, genius?
 Quoting: LaniJane


My take is he is dead, and they know he's dead, but "they" need the case to remain open for a bit longer so they can tie up their loos ends and make sure they are all using the same script.

They need to make sure the cops shot in the crossfire by other cops go down as shot by Dorner.

They need to change the story of the people on the mountain unharmed by Dorner to a "barely escaped with their lives after hearing his full confession" story.

They need to create witnesses that actually saw Dorner in the house and watched him set it on fire.

They need to manufacture a way so that "one of their own" gets the reward money instead of "the maid".

They need to spin it in a way that does not end "the fear" and make sure they keep the illusion of the racial tension they have worked so hard on.

AND... they need to do all that while making sure the story can be further used to support the addenda of dismantling the second amendment.

My take...
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Sry.. our media has been very one sided, they even told us Dorner's a cripsy corpse... like it was a fact..

I urge some of you to go back to the beginning, a key person in any real exposure was murdered first.. why? what were her movement's in the days/weeks before, did she have a lapse of guilt? did she contact Dorner?

What of the officers that were killed? on what side of corruption did they stand.. would they have backed up Dorner if the matter was reopened.. fresh evidence maybee?

Everything about this entire circus stinks.. so we must start with what may be the only real truths in this matter.. and they may be found in the past?

Just my brain... thinking stuff..
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The person murdered first had nothing to do with the ordeal OTHER than being the daughter of the man who defended Dorner during the investigation into his allegations. Dorner decided he disliked Mr Quan, so he killed Quans daughter. So her "movements" in the "days and weeks" before are inconsequential. She didn't have contact with him at all. I doubt she even knew who he was. She was a basketball coach worried about her team and her life.. making wedding plans with her fiance.

The officers that were killed...weren't even aware of Dorners corruption claims. They weren't on his 50 people manifesto kill list. One was the fiance of Miss Quan. He was killed because of his relationship with the daughter...he happened to be sitting in the car with her when Dorner ambushed her.

The officer in Riverside...was assigned to guard one of Dorners targets, then got the call that Dorner had been spotted. He went to the scene, his cop car was sprayed with bullets by Dorner. He died doing his job. Had nothing to do with Dorners manifesto.

The officer at Big Bear, died doing his job, had nothing to do with Dorners manifesto.

Dorner had a list of 50 people he felt were corrupt and he wanted to kill. He didn't kill any of them. He managed to kill the DAUGHTER of one of them....and then killed random cops who were out doing their jobs.
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Wow, you know alot! You must have been sitting next to Dorner as he supposedly wrote this manifesto.
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there is no reason to ever believe anything the authorities say.
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If authority say burn the mother fucker Ill take there word for it... hiding
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Nope. The dreaded CBS said on their reporting after all that showing by helicopter, and all the cars arriving, and the rescue squad blowing past the checkpoints headed up there, that whoops, the real scene of the alleged shootout and injured officers was seven miles away.
Ta da. Second cabin location.
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So what are you saying? The cars were cop cars at the "big house" and they let off a smoke bomb in the driveway presumably for the helicopters to see. They were all wrong? It was a distraction? The real action was 7 miles away?
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So... then... where and when was this?

[link to www.youtube.com]

When i was watching cnn live i remember seeing black greyish smoke coming off the driveway.
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Yeah, the black greyish smoke was on the driveway of the "big house". The fire was somewhere else. Where your vid shows is the shoot out in the early afternoon (all alleged, of course), and where that was I dont know.
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Right. Here's where it got confusing.
After they showed a "pool of blood" on the road at the big
house and smoke grenade and various other shots from the helicopter. THEN the media announces that the scene of the
shootout is 7 miles away and as far as I know they produced/released the exclusive fakey "video" to match the fakey sounding audio heard on CBS news and it looks like
somewhere else so it must be the "other" cabin.

But, when it catches on fire the helicopter doesn't move see. We are still supposed to believe he is hovering over
the first area and shooting vaguey images from seven miles away.

I think that covers it.
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He's there...he's not there

He's dead... he's not dead

They murdered him...he got away


Geez you guys are smart


GG
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So, what's your take on it, genius?
 Quoting: LaniJane


My take is he is dead, and they know he's dead, but "they" need the case to remain open for a bit longer so they can tie up their loos ends and make sure they are all using the same script.

They need to make sure the cops shot in the crossfire by other cops go down as shot by Dorner.

They need to change the story of the people on the mountain unharmed by Dorner to a "barely escaped with their lives after hearing his full confession" story.

They need to create witnesses that actually saw Dorner in the house and watched him set it on fire.

They need to manufacture a way so that "one of their own" gets the reward money instead of "the maid".

They need to spin it in a way that does not end "the fear" and make sure they keep the illusion of the racial tension they have worked so hard on.

AND... they need to do all that while making sure the story can be further used to support the addenda of dismantling the second amendment.

My take...
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