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BRKG: Cops Responding To Shootout With Federal Officials, LA Times Confirms Dorner. Update: Dorner May Have Died In Fiery Blaze, Or Escaped

 
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BIG BEAR LAKE — Investigators on Wednesday were in the process of identifying remains found in the charred cabin where fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner was believed to have been holed up.

An official told the Associated Press that a wallet and personal items, including a California driver’s license with Dorner’s name, were found with the body in the basement of the cabin.

At a briefing on Wednesday morning, Lt. Andy Neiman said that the LAPD has been back in a normal state of operations since late Wednesday.

He said that the department had not been on tactical alert since early Wednesday.

Neiman also said that “about a dozen or so” protective details of people named in Dorner’s manifesto will remain in place until the department and the families feel safe.

He emphasized that the investigation is not stopping just becasue the suspect is believed to be dead.

“We don’t just stop a murder case simply because we think the suspect in that case is no longer with us,” he said.

Neiman would not comment on the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department’s investigation of the remains.

He also said that the city attorneys involved will determine who, if anyone, gets the reward money, and that any decision on that matter could take some time.

If the body is identified as Dorner’s, the standoff would end a weeklong manhunt for the ex-LAPD officer and Navy reservist suspected in a string of shootings following his firing several years ago.



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He didn't commit suicide. An FBI guy was on TV last night and said the police pushed him back in the back door as he tried to come out. Meaning they shot at him to keep him in there. A sniper I am sure hit him and then they burned him. The ACLU will be filing a lawsuit in 3...2...1... since when are police allowed to be judge,jury,and executioner?
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He tossed out a smoke cannister and ran out shooting his gun.

Police fired back, forcing him back in the cabin.

I'm curious, what do you think protocol should be when a murderer runs out firing at you? Smile and wave and let them run past? Or fire back at them?
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I hope you are never called for any jury duty, because you naively believe everything that you hear from cops and newsmedia.

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I too hear people saying this and if it happened I must have missed the event watching live from a helicam and listening to multiple police scanners....
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BIG BEAR LAKE — Investigators on Wednesday were in the process of identifying remains found in the charred cabin where fugitive ex-cop Christopher Dorner was believed to have been holed up.

An official told the Associated Press that a wallet and personal items, including a California driver’s license with Dorner’s name, were found with the body in the basement of the cabin.

At a briefing on Wednesday morning, Lt. Andy Neiman said that the LAPD has been back in a normal state of operations since late Wednesday.

He said that the department had not been on tactical alert since early Wednesday.

Neiman also said that “about a dozen or so” protective details of people named in Dorner’s manifesto will remain in place until the department and the families feel safe.

He emphasized that the investigation is not stopping just becasue the suspect is believed to be dead.

“We don’t just stop a murder case simply because we think the suspect in that case is no longer with us,” he said.

Neiman would not comment on the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department’s investigation of the remains.

He also said that the city attorneys involved will determine who, if anyone, gets the reward money, and that any decision on that matter could take some time.

If the body is identified as Dorner’s, the standoff would end a weeklong manhunt for the ex-LAPD officer and Navy reservist suspected in a string of shootings following his firing several years ago.



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Interesting. The families are going to remain under protection until they feel safe? Shouldn't they feel safe the second they know CJD is dead? Does anybody have a reason why they wouldn't?
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Then please go shut up like I told you.
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I would be glad to oblige you if you could present any credible proof that the events as presented were false and that Dorner killed no one. All we're dealing with here is opinion, and so far, I tend to believe what I've witnessed the last few days. So far, apparently, you don't.
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My point was the guarantees of the Constitution being ignored and the repercussions of shredding the document. I am not arguing the case of Dorner except to point out the obvious and that is to say the man did not get what the Constitution guarantees all of us. You obviously don't care about the rule of law and would be the cheering section for burning people at the stake because someone said they were a witch or warlock. Perhaps you will one day be in a situation without due process of law. Have fun then.
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I'm not sure the Constitution would guarantee anyone publicly defined as an outlaw, by his actions and by his own word, any sort of right. And, fwiw, there's a substantial amount of difference between public accusations of witchery and fairly well documented murder.

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WHAT??????? Have you even READ the Bill of Rights?

Did you miss, specifically, the 4th - 8th amendments? They exist ENTIRELY to rule out punishment or incarceration based on false claims by guaranteeing the accused specific rights. These rights cover every single aspect of any investigatory procedures, as well as procedures through trial and sentencing. Later Amendments also address procedures that must be adhered to during incarceration.

If there were no application guaranteed those who had been, to use your words, "publicly defined as an outlaw...", then you can be accused just as easily of theft, murder, rape, child molestation, etc., demonized through the media, and summarily executed on the spot.

Is that the country you want to live in? Is this belief so rampant throughout our society that it has become the very reason no one will call evil as evil in fear they will no longer have any rights once they're accused of something?

The very fact that such statement(s) can be openly made really shine the light on the rotten roots of many problems within our country. I'm appalled I've even read such in regards to another fellow American citizen.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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so the "officer crain" funeral is being broadcast on local tv here in los angeles.

it is honestly THE BIGGEST police funeral i have ever seen.
and they are taking HOURS of airtime, showing every little detail, hundreds, maybe even athousand, police officers,
little kids saying"thank you "in unison as the car drives by,

it is soooooooo overblown, its like the pope died.

officers die every year, i have never seen anything like this,
and TELEVISED ALL MORNING!

and everyone is "suffering" and totally overreacting, one woman is fainting, everyone is mourning, crying.

i'm waiting for someone to start tearing their hair and ripping their clothes....

there's been a precession of officers into this church,
that the fallen officer had no connection, that has taken over a half an hour so far.

no disrepect to officers that die in the line of duty,
but this "funeral event" must be costing several cities millions of dollars today.

they have bands, video memorials, and more people than i've ever seen at a funeral!

it seemn waaaaaaaaay over done....

like a big hollywood production again.
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Sounds like it.
And officer Keith Lawrence, what kind of send off did he get?
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good lord. this funeral is STILL GOING ON....
ITS BEEN ON TV FOR ABOUT 4 HOURS NOW.
AND THEY STILL ARE NOT DONE.
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so the "officer crain" funeral is being broadcast on local tv here in los angeles.

it is honestly THE BIGGEST police funeral i have ever seen.
and they are taking HOURS of airtime, showing every little detail, hundreds, maybe even athousand, police officers,
little kids saying"thank you "in unison as the car drives by,

it is soooooooo overblown, its like the pope died.

officers die every year, i have never seen anything like this,
and TELEVISED ALL MORNING!

and everyone is "suffering" and totally overreacting, one woman is fainting, everyone is mourning, crying.

i'm waiting for someone to start tearing their hair and ripping their clothes....

there's been a precession of officers into this church,
that the fallen officer had no connection, that has taken over a half an hour so far.

no disrepect to officers that die in the line of duty,
but this "funeral event" must be costing several cities millions of dollars today.

they have bands, video memorials, and more people than i've ever seen at a funeral!

it seemn waaaaaaaaay over done....

like a big hollywood production again.
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Sounds like it.
And officer Keith Lawrence, what kind of send off did he get?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


good lord. this funeral is STILL GOING ON....
ITS BEEN ON TV FOR ABOUT 4 HOURS NOW.
AND THEY STILL ARE NOT DONE.
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and now they are going to PARADE THE HEARSE thru the entire city. another few hours of roadblocks, helicopters, armies of armed police "protecting each other" from the boogeyman.
so glad i'm not out in riverside right now.
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Why is there no picture of the alleged ID? I am going to have to put my wallet in a charcoal grill one of these days and see if my drivers permit survives.
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...

I would be glad to oblige you if you could present any credible proof that the events as presented were false and that Dorner killed no one. All we're dealing with here is opinion, and so far, I tend to believe what I've witnessed the last few days. So far, apparently, you don't.
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My point was the guarantees of the Constitution being ignored and the repercussions of shredding the document. I am not arguing the case of Dorner except to point out the obvious and that is to say the man did not get what the Constitution guarantees all of us. You obviously don't care about the rule of law and would be the cheering section for burning people at the stake because someone said they were a witch or warlock. Perhaps you will one day be in a situation without due process of law. Have fun then.
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I'm not sure the Constitution would guarantee anyone publicly defined as an outlaw, by his actions and by his own word, any sort of right. And, fwiw, there's a substantial amount of difference between public accusations of witchery and fairly well documented murder.

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WHAT??????? Have you even READ the Bill of Rights?

Did you miss, specifically, the 4th - 8th amendments? They exist ENTIRELY to rule out punishment or incarceration based on false claims by guaranteeing the accused specific rights. These rights cover every single aspect of any investigatory procedures, as well as procedures through trial and sentencing. Later Amendments also address procedures that must be adhered to during incarceration.

If there were no application guaranteed those who had been, to use your words, "publicly defined as an outlaw...", then you can be accused just as easily of theft, murder, rape, child molestation, etc., demonized through the media, and summarily executed on the spot.

Is that the country you want to live in? Is this belief so rampant throughout our society that it has become the very reason no one will call evil as evil in fear they will no longer have any rights once they're accused of something?

The very fact that such statement(s) can be openly made really shine the light on the rotten roots of many problems within our country. I'm appalled I've even read such in regards to another fellow American citizen.
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so you'd rather have 5 more cops give their life to drag him out alive? why would he be stocked up with all that ammo and still trying to shoot cops if he was innocent? wouldnt he at least attempt to say hey i didnt really kill all those cops i said i was going to kill before i killed them? police officers are armed for a reason.
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I would be glad to oblige you if you could present any credible proof that the events as presented were false and that Dorner killed no one. All we're dealing with here is opinion, and so far, I tend to believe what I've witnessed the last few days. So far, apparently, you don't.
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My point was the guarantees of the Constitution being ignored and the repercussions of shredding the document. I am not arguing the case of Dorner except to point out the obvious and that is to say the man did not get what the Constitution guarantees all of us. You obviously don't care about the rule of law and would be the cheering section for burning people at the stake because someone said they were a witch or warlock. Perhaps you will one day be in a situation without due process of law. Have fun then.
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I'm not sure the Constitution would guarantee anyone publicly defined as an outlaw, by his actions and by his own word, any sort of right. And, fwiw, there's a substantial amount of difference between public accusations of witchery and fairly well documented murder.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29948208


WHAT??????? Have you even READ the Bill of Rights?

Did you miss, specifically, the 4th - 8th amendments? They exist ENTIRELY to rule out punishment or incarceration based on false claims by guaranteeing the accused specific rights. These rights cover every single aspect of any investigatory procedures, as well as procedures through trial and sentencing. Later Amendments also address procedures that must be adhered to during incarceration.

If there were no application guaranteed those who had been, to use your words, "publicly defined as an outlaw...", then you can be accused just as easily of theft, murder, rape, child molestation, etc., demonized through the media, and summarily executed on the spot.

Is that the country you want to live in? Is this belief so rampant throughout our society that it has become the very reason no one will call evil as evil in fear they will no longer have any rights once they're accused of something?

The very fact that such statement(s) can be openly made really shine the light on the rotten roots of many problems within our country. I'm appalled I've even read such in regards to another fellow American citizen.
 Quoting: ClydeX


Whoa. We have laws, we have definitions of right and wrong behavior and means of dealing with those who break the laws. We are, essentially, a lawful, and law abiding society. In most cases when laws are broken, those breaking them proceed through defined processes and are dealt with appropriately. It's not an infallible system but for the most part it works well, and better than most.

There was a situation in LA several years ago where the Symbionese Liberation Army was holed up in a house and eventually met the same fate at Dorner. They too had no recourse to their rights but we known to have committed several crimes.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Is it then reasonable somehow, to say Dorner's rights were violated, any more than the rights of these folk, despite Constitutional guarantees?
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so the "officer crain" funeral is being broadcast on local tv here in los angeles.

it is honestly THE BIGGEST police funeral i have ever seen.
and they are taking HOURS of airtime, showing every little detail, hundreds, maybe even athousand, police officers,
little kids saying"thank you "in unison as the car drives by,

it is soooooooo overblown, its like the pope died.

officers die every year, i have never seen anything like this,
and TELEVISED ALL MORNING!

and everyone is "suffering" and totally overreacting, one woman is fainting, everyone is mourning, crying.

i'm waiting for someone to start tearing their hair and ripping their clothes....

there's been a precession of officers into this church,
that the fallen officer had no connection, that has taken over a half an hour so far.

no disrepect to officers that die in the line of duty,
but this "funeral event" must be costing several cities millions of dollars today.

they have bands, video memorials, and more people than i've ever seen at a funeral!

it seemn waaaaaaaaay over done....

like a big hollywood production again.
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Sounds like it.
And officer Keith Lawrence, what kind of send off did he get?
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actually cops funerals are usually a pretty big deal... they just usually arent on tv because they were'd killed after a manhunt the entire nation was watching. tv stations go for ratings, this is an opportunity to go for ratings. its close to hollywood, so production levels could be higher... police depts out there took a big hit in the public eye, would make sense they'd want to look good here to help them look better in public eye.

dude literally declared war against all cops out there, of course as many are going to show up as possible.
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Then please go shut up like I told you.
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I would be glad to oblige you if you could present any credible proof that the events as presented were false and that Dorner killed no one. All we're dealing with here is opinion, and so far, I tend to believe what I've witnessed the last few days. So far, apparently, you don't.
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My point was the guarantees of the Constitution being ignored and the repercussions of shredding the document. I am not arguing the case of Dorner except to point out the obvious and that is to say the man did not get what the Constitution guarantees all of us. You obviously don't care about the rule of law and would be the cheering section for burning people at the stake because someone said they were a witch or warlock. Perhaps you will one day be in a situation without due process of law. Have fun then.
 Quoting: Miss Kitty

Which initially translates to, "Yes I have no proof", which is fine. I don't either. fwiw, I'm on your side in regard the Constitution being abrogated but that's another topic.

I'm not sure the Constitution would guarantee anyone publicly defined as an outlaw, by his actions and by his own word, any sort of right. And, fwiw, there's a substantial amount of difference between public accusations of witchery and fairly well documented murder.

Don't get me wrong. I was on Dorner's side from the beginning. I was born and raised in LA, went through all the BS there, Rodney King, Watts Riots, OJ, etc, and knew some LAPD. He had, imo, a legitimate bitch and it's going to get ignored.
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You are so frickin wrong! The Constitution guarantees all American citizens the right to a trial. At least it did. By the way murdering someone as a witch or as a criminal, of any sort, is against the Constitution in the strictest form. Murder is murder. Self defense is self defense. All have to be decided as per evidence in a court of law according to the Constitution. You and the LAPD had this guy already tried and convicted. What if someone set him up? What if he was not the man who did all these things attributed to him. What it this is the best psi op yet? Do you think Dorner could have know things the other "authorities" did not want known so they made this elaborate story that really set people against the cops and military (or at least that is what they wanted to happen) and it is all a hoax? Can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, he was the guilty one? No you can not! You speculate! That is why we have rule of law. Otherwise you are no better than the mob that burns people because you THINK so or SOMEONE ELSE SAID so. I would never trust you on a jury! If he is proven guilty he gets what ever the law allows. He was run back into a cabin by bullets so they could fry him. He was never going to get due process.
Now, please go someplace and shut up!!!!!!!
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did anyone notice that Adam Lanza made a point of not parking in the "yellow zone"?
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By "publicly defined as an outlaw", I don't mean some fed saying he's a terrorist and NDAA rules and we can bring in armed drones. I mean, according to what to me is accurate reporting, he killed several people on his hit list and a few others that were associated, being policemen. I have no reason to doubt the reports. This isn't Sandy Hook, and it's not going to lead to riots in LA. IMO, the police took appropriate action.
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Not sure what happened to that prior post, but it was supposed to have copied lots of previous commentary.
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I would be glad to oblige you if you could present any credible proof that the events as presented were false and that Dorner killed no one. All we're dealing with here is opinion, and so far, I tend to believe what I've witnessed the last few days. So far, apparently, you don't.
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My point was the guarantees of the Constitution being ignored and the repercussions of shredding the document. I am not arguing the case of Dorner except to point out the obvious and that is to say the man did not get what the Constitution guarantees all of us. You obviously don't care about the rule of law and would be the cheering section for burning people at the stake because someone said they were a witch or warlock. Perhaps you will one day be in a situation without due process of law. Have fun then.
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Which initially translates to, "Yes I have no proof", which is fine. I don't either. fwiw, I'm on your side in regard the Constitution being abrogated but that's another topic.

I'm not sure the Constitution would guarantee anyone publicly defined as an outlaw, by his actions and by his own word, any sort of right. And, fwiw, there's a substantial amount of difference between public accusations of witchery and fairly well documented murder.

Don't get me wrong. I was on Dorner's side from the beginning. I was born and raised in LA, went through all the BS there, Rodney King, Watts Riots, OJ, etc, and knew some LAPD. He had, imo, a legitimate bitch and it's going to get ignored.
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You are so frickin wrong! The Constitution guarantees all American citizens the right to a trial. At least it did. By the way murdering someone as a witch or as a criminal, of any sort, is against the Constitution in the strictest form. Murder is murder. Self defense is self defense. All have to be decided as per evidence in a court of law according to the Constitution. You and the LAPD had this guy already tried and convicted. What if someone set him up? What if he was not the man who did all these things attributed to him. What it this is the best psi op yet? Do you think Dorner could have know things the other "authorities" did not want known so they made this elaborate story that really set people against the cops and military (or at least that is what they wanted to happen) and it is all a hoax? Can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, he was the guilty one? No you can not! You speculate! That is why we have rule of law. Otherwise you are no better than the mob that burns people because you THINK so or SOMEONE ELSE SAID so. I would never trust you on a jury! If he is proven guilty he gets what ever the law allows. He was run back into a cabin by bullets so they could fry him. He was never going to get due process.
Now, please go someplace and shut up!!!!!!!
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Did you read his manifesto?
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so the "officer crain" funeral is being broadcast on local tv here in los angeles.

it is honestly THE BIGGEST police funeral i have ever seen.
and they are taking HOURS of airtime, showing every little detail, hundreds, maybe even athousand, police officers,
little kids saying"thank you "in unison as the car drives by,

it is soooooooo overblown, its like the pope died.

officers die every year, i have never seen anything like this,
and TELEVISED ALL MORNING!

and everyone is "suffering" and totally overreacting, one woman is fainting, everyone is mourning, crying.

i'm waiting for someone to start tearing their hair and ripping their clothes....

there's been a precession of officers into this church,
that the fallen officer had no connection, that has taken over a half an hour so far.

no disrepect to officers that die in the line of duty,
but this "funeral event" must be costing several cities millions of dollars today.

they have bands, video memorials, and more people than i've ever seen at a funeral!

it seemn waaaaaaaaay over done....

like a big hollywood production again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


Sounds like it.
And officer Keith Lawrence, what kind of send off did he get?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


actually cops funerals are usually a pretty big deal... they just usually arent on tv because they were'd killed after a manhunt the entire nation was watching. tv stations go for ratings, this is an opportunity to go for ratings. its close to hollywood, so production levels could be higher... police depts out there took a big hit in the public eye, would make sense they'd want to look good here to help them look better in public eye.

dude literally declared war against all cops out there, of course as many are going to show up as possible.
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THERE ARE OVER 8,000 ARMED OFFICERS AT THIS EVENT.
insane.
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By "publicly defined as an outlaw", I don't mean some fed saying he's a terrorist and NDAA rules and we can bring in armed drones. I mean, according to what to me is accurate reporting, he killed several people on his hit list and a few others that were associated, being policemen. I have no reason to doubt the reports. This isn't Sandy Hook, and it's not going to lead to riots in LA. IMO, the police took appropriate action.
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If you have "no reason to doubt" .. you are a worthless drone! You will believe anything if it is wrapped up in pretty paper.
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so the "officer crain" funeral is being broadcast on local tv here in los angeles.

it is honestly THE BIGGEST police funeral i have ever seen.
and they are taking HOURS of airtime, showing every little detail, hundreds, maybe even athousand, police officers,
little kids saying"thank you "in unison as the car drives by,

it is soooooooo overblown, its like the pope died.

officers die every year, i have never seen anything like this,
and TELEVISED ALL MORNING!

and everyone is "suffering" and totally overreacting, one woman is fainting, everyone is mourning, crying.

i'm waiting for someone to start tearing their hair and ripping their clothes....

there's been a precession of officers into this church,
that the fallen officer had no connection, that has taken over a half an hour so far.

no disrepect to officers that die in the line of duty,
but this "funeral event" must be costing several cities millions of dollars today.

they have bands, video memorials, and more people than i've ever seen at a funeral!

it seemn waaaaaaaaay over done....

like a big hollywood production again.
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Sounds like it.
And officer Keith Lawrence, what kind of send off did he get?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


good lord. this funeral is STILL GOING ON....
ITS BEEN ON TV FOR ABOUT 4 HOURS NOW.
AND THEY STILL ARE NOT DONE.
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Good grief. Presidential funerals are shorter than that.
You do know who Keith Lawrence is, right.

That's the alleged fiance of Monica Quan who turned out to be, you guessed it, an officer of the Law.
A gun toting officer assigned to USC.
And I don't remember hearing about that.
But I found a pic of him I posted upthread.

And as for Monica, I kept going back page search by page search until I could find something about her career or SOMETHING prior to this shooting and no articles at all related to being an asst. coach nor her stellar career and Lawrence's at Concordia University.
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so the "officer crain" funeral is being broadcast on local tv here in los angeles.

it is honestly THE BIGGEST police funeral i have ever seen.
and they are taking HOURS of airtime, showing every little detail, hundreds, maybe even athousand, police officers,
little kids saying"thank you "in unison as the car drives by,

it is soooooooo overblown, its like the pope died.

officers die every year, i have never seen anything like this,
and TELEVISED ALL MORNING!

and everyone is "suffering" and totally overreacting, one woman is fainting, everyone is mourning, crying.

i'm waiting for someone to start tearing their hair and ripping their clothes....

there's been a precession of officers into this church,
that the fallen officer had no connection, that has taken over a half an hour so far.

no disrepect to officers that die in the line of duty,
but this "funeral event" must be costing several cities millions of dollars today.

they have bands, video memorials, and more people than i've ever seen at a funeral!

it seemn waaaaaaaaay over done....

like a big hollywood production again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


Sounds like it.
And officer Keith Lawrence, what kind of send off did he get?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


actually cops funerals are usually a pretty big deal... they just usually arent on tv because they were'd killed after a manhunt the entire nation was watching. tv stations go for ratings, this is an opportunity to go for ratings. its close to hollywood, so production levels could be higher... police depts out there took a big hit in the public eye, would make sense they'd want to look good here to help them look better in public eye.

dude literally declared war against all cops out there, of course as many are going to show up as possible.
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THERE ARE OVER 8,000 ARMED OFFICERS AT THIS EVENT.
insane.
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Can you just imagine all the crims going down, banks robbed
in southern Cali once people saw this?
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so the "officer crain" funeral is being broadcast on local tv here in los angeles.

it is honestly THE BIGGEST police funeral i have ever seen.
and they are taking HOURS of airtime, showing every little detail, hundreds, maybe even athousand, police officers,
little kids saying"thank you "in unison as the car drives by,

it is soooooooo overblown, its like the pope died.

officers die every year, i have never seen anything like this,
and TELEVISED ALL MORNING!

and everyone is "suffering" and totally overreacting, one woman is fainting, everyone is mourning, crying.

i'm waiting for someone to start tearing their hair and ripping their clothes....

there's been a precession of officers into this church,
that the fallen officer had no connection, that has taken over a half an hour so far.

no disrepect to officers that die in the line of duty,
but this "funeral event" must be costing several cities millions of dollars today.

they have bands, video memorials, and more people than i've ever seen at a funeral!

it seemn waaaaaaaaay over done....

like a big hollywood production again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


Sounds like it.
And officer Keith Lawrence, what kind of send off did he get?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


good lord. this funeral is STILL GOING ON....
ITS BEEN ON TV FOR ABOUT 4 HOURS NOW.
AND THEY STILL ARE NOT DONE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


Good grief. Presidential funerals are shorter than that.
You do know who Keith Lawrence is, right.

That's the alleged fiance of Monica Quan who turned out to be, you guessed it, an officer of the Law.
A gun toting officer assigned to USC.
And I don't remember hearing about that.
But I found a pic of him I posted upthread.

And as for Monica, I kept going back page search by page search until I could find something about her career or SOMETHING prior to this shooting and no articles at all related to being an asst. coach nor her stellar career and Lawrence's at Concordia University.
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they had to burn Dorner to long gone crispy critters
so they could go forward with their plans for a Big Extravaganza Cop Funeral.
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My point was the guarantees of the Constitution being ignored and the repercussions of shredding the document. I am not arguing the case of Dorner except to point out the obvious and that is to say the man did not get what the Constitution guarantees all of us. You obviously don't care about the rule of law and would be the cheering section for burning people at the stake because someone said they were a witch or warlock. Perhaps you will one day be in a situation without due process of law. Have fun then.
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Which initially translates to, "Yes I have no proof", which is fine. I don't either. fwiw, I'm on your side in regard the Constitution being abrogated but that's another topic.

I'm not sure the Constitution would guarantee anyone publicly defined as an outlaw, by his actions and by his own word, any sort of right. And, fwiw, there's a substantial amount of difference between public accusations of witchery and fairly well documented murder.

Don't get me wrong. I was on Dorner's side from the beginning. I was born and raised in LA, went through all the BS there, Rodney King, Watts Riots, OJ, etc, and knew some LAPD. He had, imo, a legitimate bitch and it's going to get ignored.
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You are so frickin wrong! The Constitution guarantees all American citizens the right to a trial. At least it did. By the way murdering someone as a witch or as a criminal, of any sort, is against the Constitution in the strictest form. Murder is murder. Self defense is self defense. All have to be decided as per evidence in a court of law according to the Constitution. You and the LAPD had this guy already tried and convicted. What if someone set him up? What if he was not the man who did all these things attributed to him. What it this is the best psi op yet? Do you think Dorner could have know things the other "authorities" did not want known so they made this elaborate story that really set people against the cops and military (or at least that is what they wanted to happen) and it is all a hoax? Can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, he was the guilty one? No you can not! You speculate! That is why we have rule of law. Otherwise you are no better than the mob that burns people because you THINK so or SOMEONE ELSE SAID so. I would never trust you on a jury! If he is proven guilty he gets what ever the law allows. He was run back into a cabin by bullets so they could fry him. He was never going to get due process.
Now, please go someplace and shut up!!!!!!!
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Did you read his manifesto?
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Which one and how do you know he wrote it? Did you see him write it? Who said he wrote it? The news! Oh my ... they always tell the whole truth, don't they. You can not prove anything! That is why we have a Constitution and laws.
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If you have "no reason to doubt" .. you are a worthless drone! You will believe anything if it is wrapped up in pretty paper.
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I ask you again to provide credible evidence that Horner did not murder Quan and her boy friend, the Riverside policeman, and the San Bernadino deputy.
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If you have "no reason to doubt" .. you are a worthless drone! You will believe anything if it is wrapped up in pretty paper.
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I ask you again to provide credible evidence that Horner did not murder Quan and her boy friend, the Riverside policeman, and the San Bernadino deputy.
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You don't even know who you are talking about.
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If you have "no reason to doubt" .. you are a worthless drone! You will believe anything if it is wrapped up in pretty paper.
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I ask you again to provide credible evidence that Horner did not murder Quan and her boy friend, the Riverside policeman, and the San Bernadino deputy.
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You don't even know who you are talking about.
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PROVE he did!
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My point was the guarantees of the Constitution being ignored and the repercussions of shredding the document. I am not arguing the case of Dorner except to point out the obvious and that is to say the man did not get what the Constitution guarantees all of us. You obviously don't care about the rule of law and would be the cheering section for burning people at the stake because someone said they were a witch or warlock. Perhaps you will one day be in a situation without due process of law. Have fun then.
 Quoting: Miss Kitty

Which initially translates to, "Yes I have no proof", which is fine. I don't either. fwiw, I'm on your side in regard the Constitution being abrogated but that's another topic.

I'm not sure the Constitution would guarantee anyone publicly defined as an outlaw, by his actions and by his own word, any sort of right. And, fwiw, there's a substantial amount of difference between public accusations of witchery and fairly well documented murder.

Don't get me wrong. I was on Dorner's side from the beginning. I was born and raised in LA, went through all the BS there, Rodney King, Watts Riots, OJ, etc, and knew some LAPD. He had, imo, a legitimate bitch and it's going to get ignored.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29948208


You are so frickin wrong! The Constitution guarantees all American citizens the right to a trial. At least it did. By the way murdering someone as a witch or as a criminal, of any sort, is against the Constitution in the strictest form. Murder is murder. Self defense is self defense. All have to be decided as per evidence in a court of law according to the Constitution. You and the LAPD had this guy already tried and convicted. What if someone set him up? What if he was not the man who did all these things attributed to him. What it this is the best psi op yet? Do you think Dorner could have know things the other "authorities" did not want known so they made this elaborate story that really set people against the cops and military (or at least that is what they wanted to happen) and it is all a hoax? Can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, he was the guilty one? No you can not! You speculate! That is why we have rule of law. Otherwise you are no better than the mob that burns people because you THINK so or SOMEONE ELSE SAID so. I would never trust you on a jury! If he is proven guilty he gets what ever the law allows. He was run back into a cabin by bullets so they could fry him. He was never going to get due process.
Now, please go someplace and shut up!!!!!!!
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Did you read his manifesto?
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how do we know he actually wrote that manifesto.
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If you have "no reason to doubt" .. you are a worthless drone! You will believe anything if it is wrapped up in pretty paper.
 Quoting: Miss Kitty

I ask you again to provide credible evidence that Horner did not murder Quan and her boy friend, the Riverside policeman, and the San Bernadino deputy.
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I ask you to provide evidence that he did murder them.

Remember this: The bigger the lie the more convincing it becomes. (9/11!)
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so the "officer crain" funeral is being broadcast on local tv here in los angeles.

it is honestly THE BIGGEST police funeral i have ever seen.
and they are taking HOURS of airtime, showing every little detail, hundreds, maybe even athousand, police officers,
little kids saying"thank you "in unison as the car drives by,

it is soooooooo overblown, its like the pope died.

officers die every year, i have never seen anything like this,
and TELEVISED ALL MORNING!

and everyone is "suffering" and totally overreacting, one woman is fainting, everyone is mourning, crying.

i'm waiting for someone to start tearing their hair and ripping their clothes....

there's been a precession of officers into this church,
that the fallen officer had no connection, that has taken over a half an hour so far.

no disrepect to officers that die in the line of duty,
but this "funeral event" must be costing several cities millions of dollars today.

they have bands, video memorials, and more people than i've ever seen at a funeral!

it seemn waaaaaaaaay over done....

like a big hollywood production again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


Sounds like it.
And officer Keith Lawrence, what kind of send off did he get?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


good lord. this funeral is STILL GOING ON....
ITS BEEN ON TV FOR ABOUT 4 HOURS NOW.
AND THEY STILL ARE NOT DONE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18380705


and now they are going to PARADE THE HEARSE thru the entire city. another few hours of roadblocks, helicopters, armies of armed police "protecting each other" from the boogeyman.
so glad i'm not out in riverside right now.
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I am I work right smack in the middle of this on Arlington st. all the road blocks and there's been 8 helicopters swarming around us since 8:30am this morning.
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Where is the "accomplice" JY (Jason Young) they claimed helped him when they were talking about thinking he went to mexico? JY's family has a cabin in big bear. where is JY?

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