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BRKG: Cops Responding To Shootout With Federal Officials, LA Times Confirms Dorner. Update: Dorner May Have Died In Fiery Blaze, Or Escaped

 
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Does anyone have a direct link to Dorner's supposed facebook?

What is striking me as strange (and obvious) is that there are all these "copies" of his supposed "manifesto" that was posted on facebook but no date. Facebook always dates stuff. Besides the supposed manifesto, (stating the obvious) there seems to be no evidence he did what they said, and who knows WHO wrote that, or that it EVER appeared on any facebook account.
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The original facebook was pulled down as people from GLP were looking at it. All thats left is a screenshot.
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Where can I see the screen shot?
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Does anyone have a direct link to Dorner's supposed facebook?

What is striking me as strange (and obvious) is that there are all these "copies" of his supposed "manifesto" that was posted on facebook but no date. Facebook always dates stuff. Besides the supposed manifesto, (stating the obvious) there seems to be no evidence he did what they said, and who knows WHO wrote that, or that it EVER appeared on any facebook account.
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The original facebook was pulled down as people from GLP were looking at it. All thats left is a screenshot.
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Where can I see the screen shot?
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[link to thedornerfiles.blogspot.com] I believe it's under "Misc"
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Does anyone have a direct link to Dorner's supposed facebook?

What is striking me as strange (and obvious) is that there are all these "copies" of his supposed "manifesto" that was posted on facebook but no date. Facebook always dates stuff. Besides the supposed manifesto, (stating the obvious) there seems to be no evidence he did what they said, and who knows WHO wrote that, or that it EVER appeared on any facebook account.
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The original facebook was pulled down as people from GLP were looking at it. All thats left is a screenshot.
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Where can I see the screen shot?
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[link to thedornerfiles.blogspot.com] I believe it's under "Misc"
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Thank you!

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Re: BRKG: Cops Responding To Shootout With Federal Officials, LA Times Confirms Dorner. Update: Dorner May Have Died In Fiery Blaze, Or Escaped
Did anyone catch this: The carjacking victim that he told to "get out and walk...and take your dog" and "I don't want to hurt you"....stated this morning on MSM that he "Called a local deputy on his personal phone after the carjacking" (To notify authorities)

Because after I get carjacked by the most wanted/dangerous man in Amaerica, I don't dial 911....I instead casually call a deputy I know on his personal cell phone.

Again....RIDICULOUS.
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Uh remember that $1,000,000 reward? He wants it......
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Wow, there was a possibly prophetic post earlier saying they would make sure one of their own got it; and I heard this carjacking victim guy live on the radio last night saying he is a former LE officer, owns 647 acres off of Glass Road.
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Rick Heltebrake was never an LAPD cop. You heard wrong. If you did hear it, it would be in a written article or a video online. Please post your source.

He has been a year round manager at Boy Scott Camp Tahquitz. If he does get the reward, he said he would split it with the couple who were tied up in their cabin by Dorner.

Heltebrake will also use the reward to renovate the Boy Scout Camp.
[link to belmontshore.patch.com]

And GET THIS! The reward might not be given to anyone:

"....it's too early in the investigation to determine whether anyone would deserve the award. LAPD Officer Alex Martinez says it's unlikely anyone can claim it because the reward referred to Dorner's capture and conviction."
[link to www.10news.com]

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The whole story doesn't make sense. He supposedly wrote how he was going "off grid" and no one would be able to find him, and his version of this was STAYING IN ABANDONED VACATION HOMES? **THAT IS NOT OFF GRID THAT IS ON THE RUN** Taking your own car, and just driving then hiding is fear, not a plan.
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The whole story doesn't make sense. He supposedly wrote how he was going "off grid" and no one would be able to find him, and his version of this was STAYING IN ABANDONED VACATION HOMES? **THAT IS NOT OFF GRID THAT IS ON THE RUN** Taking your own car, and just driving then hiding is fear, not a plan.
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yeah
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"During Tuesday's shootout, a television news crew recorded law enforcement officials shouting to burn the cabin down. McMahon acknowledged the comments were made, but said they did not come from the department's tactical team or commanders on the scene."
[link to latimesblogs.latimes.com]
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The link in my sig goes to a page that is updated on the latest news on Dorner [link to timelines.latimes.com]
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I spent some time a couple days watching videos and paying attention to how fast the house went up. In less than 5 minutes all but two corners are gone at that point it's heard wait (when asked if they should go onto the structure, cuz at that point after 5 minutes its all down) until those two fall. They admit to "pyrotechnics". "Get out the gas" right before it catches fire. Supposedly "gas" (cold tear gas) was already out, so saying "get out the gas, burn it" referring to hot tear gas is a big lie.

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The link in my sig goes to a page that is updated on the latest news on Dorner [link to timelines.latimes.com]
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Very nice collection of articles. Thank you for sharing that link. Still trying to find whether they are still babysitting the cops who felt threatened.

I posted some of this on another thread, but feel like repeating it.

I think it's highly unlikely they have really identified him.

From news:

Dr. Wagner said the fastest method is dental records, provided you have them.

“Everybody in military has dental and DNA records and they’re kept for some 50 years,” said Wagner.

“It depends on how much burning has been going on,” said Dr. Skip Sperber, a forensic dentist.

Sperber worked with the San Diego County Medical Examiner’s office for 35 years. Currently, conducts dental identification with the San Diego Police Department as a volunteer. Sperber said in the case of the body in Big Bear, the forensic team may not have teeth to work with.

Sometimes the crown, the white parts we see are totally destroyed,” explained Dr. Sperber. “Sometimes we have to use the bone that surrounds the teeth that we have on x-rays.”

Read more: [link to fox5sandiego.com]
Read more at [link to fox5sandiego.com]


From a book, Forensic Medicine: Clinical and Pathologicical Aspects by Jason Payne-James, Anthony Busutti, William S. Smock
"Teeth subjected to intense heat may appear to be intact, but disintegrate when touched. Techniques exist to secure the teeth while the body is in situ and preserve them for detailed examination, and the advice of odontologists must be sought."
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And that's with a regular fire. Speaking with someone who knows, cops or swat should start with the basement and attic in deploying smoke bombs, to keep the subject from running to those areas to hide.

Then the second floor, and the ground floor last.

Pyrotechnic munitions put off a large amount in a single shot, or deployment, and contaminate big areas quickly. They can only be used when deadly force is authorized because of the chance of fire.

If it was thermite, or an AN-M14, it produces extremely high heat when ignited. They will destroy a gun breech, breach? within minutes or ignite fires or ammunition. They burn at 2200 degrees C.

Though the cabin was burned to the ground and it appeared that not even a bathtub, kitchen stove or refrigerator were standing, they have produced pictures of a gun that looks like the camo decoration (whatever you call it) is not only unburned, but still clean. A wallet was also shown.

Figure the odds.
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"AN-M14" I think are the ones that can burn through metal, undewater. They use it to melt down tanks left behind in the field. TANKS.
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It's one thing to do something like say go up to someone and shoot at point blank range. But its fucking unfathomable, TO FUCKING "BURN THE MOTHER FUCKER DOWN". I don't think even Dorner, who was familiar with their cruelty, could have forseen that. That is what is SO FUCKED UP ABOUT THIS.

ANYONE WHO WATCHED WACO BURN, isn't just gonna go "oh okay he deserved it"
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"During Tuesday's shootout, a television news crew recorded law enforcement officials shouting to burn the cabin down. McMahon acknowledged the comments were made, but said they did not come from the department's tactical team or commanders on the scene."
[link to latimesblogs.latimes.com]
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Gee whiz. What an astounding coincidence that a fire started shortly after officers not-with-our-department shouted "Burn the Cabin!" One in a million chance there, eh? They should play the lottery.

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