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ayr phorce yuan (OP) User ID: 32797898 United Kingdom 02/12/2013 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just one question...when you were filming Robin Hood...you didn't... Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny ...you didn't have to wear the tights..? :spookd: Lol, no tights, flags, swords and layers upon layers of chain mail, which in the height of summer does bloody burn! Galloping around like lunatics in that situ is very painful! Lol GLP alert level 2; "Go get a Hard Hat:. GLP alert level 1; "Put the fucking Hat on:. |
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Shoot straight Johnny User ID: 34189865 United Kingdom 02/12/2013 05:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Back went 'click' and I was paralyzed. For about two weeks. From that moment I couldn't even move. It took me about 40 minutes to get the 6 feet back to the couch. And there I lay, motionless, for about two weeks. My daughter who was living with me at the time had to bring everything for me. I'm very wary since then. The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands. |
stillhere User ID: 29204297 United States 02/12/2013 05:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned for you, (everyone is glued to the Dorner thing)--they are capturing him live now-- [link to losangeles.cbslocal.com] I have a question, as the devil is in the details. And I do believe you that this was a miracle for you, but looking at the link you provided the irritant solution can be many different things as listed below. Do you know which "irritant" was injected into your spine/back? [link to en.wikipedia.org] Prolotherapy in clinical practice "Prolotherapy involves the injection of an irritant solution into an area where connective tissue has been weakened or damaged through injury or strain. Many solutions are used, including hyperosmolar dextrose (a sugar), glycerine, lidocaine (a commonly used local anesthetic), phenol, or sodium morrhuate, a derivative of cod liver oil extract. The injection is administered at joints or at tendons where they connect to bone. Prolotherapy treatment sessions are generally given every two to six weeks for several months. Many patients receive treatment at less frequent intervals until treatments are rarely required, if at all." Last Edited by stillhere on 02/12/2013 05:10 PM "You can bend it and twist it... You can misuse and abuse it... But even God cannot change the Truth.” Michael Levy |
ayr phorce yuan (OP) User ID: 32797898 United Kingdom 02/12/2013 05:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sounds interesting, I have just had a cortizone shot for plantar fasciitis , only to discover it is prolly Achilles tendonitis . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34264205 Would it help Achilles tendonitis ? Trust me mate, please enquire! Fucking right it will! GLP alert level 2; "Go get a Hard Hat:. GLP alert level 1; "Put the fucking Hat on:. |
ayr phorce yuan (OP) User ID: 32797898 United Kingdom 02/12/2013 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned for you, Quoting: stillhere I have a question, as the devil is in the details. And I do believe you that this was a miracle for you, but looking at the link you provided the irritant solution can be many different things as listed below. Do you know which "irritant" was injected into your spine/back? Prolotherapy in clinical practice "Prolotherapy involves the injection of an irritant solution into an area where connective tissue has been weakened or damaged through injury or strain. Many solutions are used, including hyperosmolar dextrose (a sugar), glycerine, lidocaine (a commonly used local anesthetic), phenol, or sodium morrhuate, a derivative of cod liver oil extract. The injection is administered at joints or at tendons where they connect to bone. Prolotherapy treatment sessions are generally given every two to six weeks for several months. Many patients receive treatment at less frequent intervals until treatments are rarely required, if at all." I will of course return the favor, this is an important issue! I will read your reply now! GLP alert level 2; "Go get a Hard Hat:. GLP alert level 1; "Put the fucking Hat on:. |
stillhere User ID: 29204297 United States 02/12/2013 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They are saying there are too many green pins right now, (limit is 10), I will check again later, but really I thing more people will read once this Dorner thing resolves itself. Oh, I have no problem with the procedure. I only am concerned that the substance injected into you might work better than the other ones listed. Someone might take your advice and have this done, but with one of the other substances and it might not work as well. Last Edited by stillhere on 02/12/2013 05:16 PM "You can bend it and twist it... You can misuse and abuse it... But even God cannot change the Truth.” Michael Levy |
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CrazyMama73 User ID: 7914134 Canada 02/12/2013 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I found this very interesting. I know a few people who would be thrilled to find some kind of comfort from the pain they are experiencing and, so far, not finding anything that is helping. 5 stars and pin for you! |
stillhere User ID: 29204297 United States 02/12/2013 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | handshurt: Does Cleveland Clinic use prolotherapy or done any trials testing its efficacy? Are there significant risks? "Dr_Bjoern_Buehring: Hello handshurt. The Cleveland Clinic Arthritis Center does not provide this service. I briefly reviewed the evidence and found a Cochrane Review (high-quality reviews) from 2004 that stated the following: “There is conflicting evidence regarding the efficacy of prolotherapy injections in reducing pain and disability in patients with chronic low-back pain. Conclusions are confounded by clinical heterogeneity amongst studies and by the presence of co-interventions. There was no evidence that prolotherapy injections alone were more effective than control injections alone. However, in the presence of co-interventions, prolotherapy injections were more effective than control injections, more so when both injections and co-interventions were controlled concurrently.” This was for back pain. There is not much evidence for joints. I agree more research is needed" [link to my.clevelandclinic.org] ~~Not surprising the CC does not do this as it seems the medical community is "Big Business" and this would eliminate some of their more lucrative procedures. "You can bend it and twist it... You can misuse and abuse it... But even God cannot change the Truth.” Michael Levy |
TDJ User ID: 32831057 United States 02/12/2013 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i think this is basically what they did to my back for a couple years without much relief. It took surgery to "fix" it but it still isn;t right. I had cortisone and lidocane injections that worked temporarily but in the end there just wasn't any disc left in my lumbar back. fusion brought the greatest relief but was a traumatic experience that took me out of life for 2.5 yrs trying to get someone to help me get right again. Last Edited by Founders Fan on 02/12/2013 05:26 PM If something can corrupt you, you're corrupted already. Bob Marley “The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.” THOMAS PAINE (1737-1809) Do not pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to endure a difficult one. Bruce Lee |
stillhere User ID: 29204297 United States 02/12/2013 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The other pins were just taken down now, why are people being so impatient today? The thread is green pinned now. "You can bend it and twist it... You can misuse and abuse it... But even God cannot change the Truth.” Michael Levy |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33968488 United Kingdom 02/12/2013 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pinned for you, (everyone is glued to the Dorner thing)--they are capturing him live now-- [link to losangeles.cbslocal.com] Quoting: stillhere I have a question, as the devil is in the details. And I do believe you that this was a miracle for you, but looking at the link you provided the irritant solution can be many different things as listed below. Do you know which "irritant" was injected into your spine/back? [link to en.wikipedia.org] Prolotherapy in clinical practice "Prolotherapy involves the injection of an irritant solution into an area where connective tissue has been weakened or damaged through injury or strain. Many solutions are used, including hyperosmolar dextrose (a sugar), glycerine, lidocaine (a commonly used local anesthetic), phenol, or sodium morrhuate, a derivative of cod liver oil extract. The injection is administered at joints or at tendons where they connect to bone. Prolotherapy treatment sessions are generally given every two to six weeks for several months. Many patients receive treatment at less frequent intervals until treatments are rarely required, if at all." Forgive me and please placate me, but I am unsure of your concern, is it in the ingredients of the procedure or a moral or ethical objective? firstly i am really glad you found something that works for you your back ligaments were weakened by the actvties you put it through though and if you are continuing to do so then i hope you aren't just relying on the sclerosant to strengthen / immobilise that part of your back you still have a lot of flexible back that will take the strain personally have no problem to use of sclerosants- they are used and have been used for some time but they are irritants- that's how they work - so , they come with side effects i am cautious though as in america can't just about anyone be your primary care practitioner ? - so before injecting something into ones back i would want extended scope physio and MRI with ortho /spinal surgeon review - if they said it was the best way forward- i'd give it serious consideration but you are a young man so take care of your back there are other ways to promote natural ligamental strengthening - but maybe without the speed of resoltion you have had or the ability to return to such high impact stuff so once again- great for you but y |
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Dr. Acula Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 54326 United States 02/12/2013 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is this the cure for horse arthritis? I know (of) a dude via a family member who is a vet... he developed a cure for arthritis and joint pain... he discovered it by working on race horses here in Kentucky... He went through the proper channels to begin human trials... it was safe for humans... it worked on humans... but the FDA had it stuck in red tape limbo last I heard sad _______________________ |
Dr. Acula Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 54326 United States 02/12/2013 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here this is pretty short and should keep your attention [link to www.amishrakefight.org] _______________________ |
stillhere User ID: 29204297 United States 02/12/2013 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.orthohealing.com] " Neural Prolotherapy." Traditional Prolotherapy has focused on ligament-tendon healing, and has shown to be a powerful treatment modality. With Neural Prolotherapy, however we shift our focus to the subcutaneous nerves as a source of pathology. These subcutaneous nerves in a pathologic state can lead to neurogenic inflammation and pain. We introduce and explore the use of low dose dextrose Prolotherapy in the treatment of neurogenic inflammatory pain. Neural Prolotherapy is indeed a fantastic treatment option that has the potential to further our healing profession. Neural Prolotherapy also called Neurofascial Prolotherapy (NPT) is one of the newest advances in Regenerative Orthopedic Medicine. Neural Prolotherapy is not to be confused with traditional “German” Neural injection therapy. Dr. Lyftogt noticed that these same nerves responded even better to a low dose dextrose injection. He will be expanding on this further in his upcoming book. Dr. Lyftogt discussed in his recent Neural Prolotherapy meeting that “Cutaneous nerves pass through many fascial layers on their way to the spine. When there is neurogenic swelling at the Fascial Penetration Zone, a Chronic Constriction Injury (CCI) occurs. The CCI points will inhibit flow of Nerve Growth Factor (NGF).8, 7 Proper flow of NGF is essential for nerve health and repair.”3 Dr. Lyftogt has studied the use of a wide range of dextrose, lidocaine, and procaine concentrations. At this point in time, he is using 5% dextrose in sterile water solution (1cc of dextrose 50 in 9cc sterile water). No lidocaine is used. NPT is given just under the skin close to subcutaneous nerves at weekly intervals. "You can bend it and twist it... You can misuse and abuse it... But even God cannot change the Truth.” Michael Levy |
stillhere User ID: 29204297 United States 02/12/2013 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dr. Lyftogt has published six level 4 studies in the Australian Journal of Musculoskeletal Medicine since 2005. He has studied the shoulder, ankle, back, elbow, and hip. His 2 year follow up shows a 80-100% success rate.10, 11, 12 [link to www.orthohealing.com] "You can bend it and twist it... You can misuse and abuse it... But even God cannot change the Truth.” Michael Levy |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27786776 American Samoa 02/12/2013 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I went through four rounds of Prolotherapy treatments over ten years ago, for torn spinal ligaments. I can vouch for the effectiveness of this treatment. I was left with a bit of a bulge on my back where the injections did their work, but that is a small price to pay to be able to ride a bike and carry a backpack up a trail again. If you are suffering from chronic back pain, I highly recommend looking into it. It's not effective for every type of injury, but for some it can be very effective. |
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simultaneous_final User ID: 33292391 United States 02/12/2013 06:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A fucking HORSEMAN?!! You break horses? You're twice the man I'll ever be! A subject observes itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself observing itself ad infinitum. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32477660 United States 02/12/2013 06:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is this the cure for horse arthritis? Quoting: Dr. Acula I know (of) a dude via a family member who is a vet... he developed a cure for arthritis and joint pain... he discovered it by working on race horses here in Kentucky... He went through the proper channels to begin human trials... it was safe for humans... it worked on humans... but the FDA had it stuck in red tape limbo last I heard sad Did it involve taking MSM? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32477660 United States 02/12/2013 06:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dr. Lyftogt’s early research focused on the treatment of Achilles tendons. He has treated over 300 Achilles tendons with a success rate of more than 90%. Quoting: stillhere Dr. Lyftogt has published six level 4 studies in the Australian Journal of Musculoskeletal Medicine since 2005. He has studied the shoulder, ankle, back, elbow, and hip. His 2 year follow up shows a 80-100% success rate.10, 11, 12 [link to www.orthohealing.com] Thank you for the link :-) |
Dr. Acula Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 54326 United States 02/12/2013 06:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is this the cure for horse arthritis? Quoting: Dr. Acula I know (of) a dude via a family member who is a vet... he developed a cure for arthritis and joint pain... he discovered it by working on race horses here in Kentucky... He went through the proper channels to begin human trials... it was safe for humans... it worked on humans... but the FDA had it stuck in red tape limbo last I heard sad Did it involve taking MSM? you know i dont even know. I barely remember the story told to me. far as i know the technical aspects werent discussed. It came from my cousin... who doesnt lie or tell uncle stories... but through his job he met the vet and after a few days of working with him... (my cousin is a mechanic) Turns out they live in the same area and etc. so the dude was venting to him about it. something like that... my memory is getting shitty but i do know he developed a cure for joint pain and arthritis in humans and he discovered it after being a vet and working with horses. That part i know 100% lol EDIT: oh i mentioned it cos i wondered if this was based on that dudes work... or someone who came up with a similar cure... anyways the OP isnt full of shit... from what i heard horse doctors can help humans too lol Last Edited by Dr. Acula on 02/12/2013 06:42 PM _______________________ |
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JasmineinNM User ID: 15256858 United States 02/12/2013 07:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I went through four rounds of Prolotherapy treatments over ten years ago, for torn spinal ligaments. I can vouch for the effectiveness of this treatment. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27786776 I was left with a bit of a bulge on my back where the injections did their work, but that is a small price to pay to be able to ride a bike and carry a backpack up a trail again. If you are suffering from chronic back pain, I highly recommend looking into it. It's not effective for every type of injury, but for some it can be very effective. That's great! Good for you. Nothing like good folks coming forward with their own personal experiences. |