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Why the Newest Psychiatric Diagnostic Bible Will Be a Boon for Big Pharma

 
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The DSM-5 will likely lead patients down a road of over-diagnosis and over-medication.


In the DSM-4, which Frances helped create, there had been a so-called “bereavement exclusion,” which stated that grieving the loss of a loved one, even when accompanied by symptoms of depression, should not be considered the psychiatric disorder of depression. Prior to the DSM-5, the APA had acknowledged that to have symptoms of depression while grieving the loss of a loved one is normal and not a disease. Come this spring, normal human grief accompanied by depression symptoms will be a mental disorder.
Psychiatry’s official diagnostic battle is over. Mental illness gatekeepers such as Frances who are concerned about further undermining the credibility of the APA have lost, and mental illness expansionists —psychiatry’s “neocons”— have won.
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Other New DSM-5 Mental Illnesses

The pathologizing of normal human grief is not the only DSM-5 embarrassment for Frances. (See his December 2012 blog: “ DSM 5 Is Guide Not Bible—Ignore Its Ten Worst Changes.”) Get ready to hear about a new mental illness diagnosis for kids: “disruptive mood dysregulation disorder” (DMDD). Frances concludes DMDD “will turn temper tantrums into a mental disorder.”

The DSM-5 also brings us “minor neurocognitive disorder”—the everyday forgetting characteristic of old age.

“Binge eating disorder” has also now made it to the major leagues as an official DSM-5 mental illness (moving up from a non-official mental illness status in Appendix B in DSM-4).
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Add to this the CDC being assigned to determine the link between mental health disorders and gun violence.
Plus the pressure being put on psychiatric services to report danger to officials.
Put together equals loop holes to remove everyone's rights one by one.
No one will stand up and say anything because it just affects the "crazies".
When everyone is defined as crazies it will be too late.
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Add to this the CDC being assigned to determine the link between mental health disorders and gun violence.
Plus the pressure being put on psychiatric services to report danger to officials.
Put together equals loop holes to remove everyone's rights one by one.
No one will stand up and say anything because it just affects the "crazies".
When everyone is defined as crazies it will be too late.
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Yes! They are coming along quite nicely with their plans aren't they? If we refuse - what happens? Or refuse the RFID chip? What happens?
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Add to this the CDC being assigned to determine the link between mental health disorders and gun violence.
Plus the pressure being put on psychiatric services to report danger to officials.
Put together equals loop holes to remove everyone's rights one by one.
No one will stand up and say anything because it just affects the "crazies".
When everyone is defined as crazies it will be too late.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1018225


Yes! They are coming along quite nicely with their plans aren't they? If we refuse - what happens? Or refude the RFID chip? What happens?
 Quoting: Indysmindy


Add to these facts the rapid rise in popularity of conspiracy theories and they have all the fuel they need to define a person who questions as crazy, a crazy person as a threat and a threat as a terrorist. One swoop and every right is removed while everyone is distracted by the second amendment battle.
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DSM-5 is simply an upgrade. It will improve mental health treatment and diagnosis. Have you read it?
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you can have my dsm-4 when you pry it from my cold dea...wait, what?
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Until you see the actual diagnostic criteria, you don't know.
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THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD ALWAYS STICK WITH THE KJV
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DSM-5 is simply an upgrade. It will improve mental health treatment and diagnosis. Have you read it?
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Like they aren't over diagnosing and prescribing already.

We committed my sister just last week, against her will.
Her brain is fried from all the big pharma drugs she has been prescribed, both psych and pain.
She is currently kookoo for cocoa-puffs.

Now my niece, same prescribing doc is laying in emerg hallway, waiting for a bed.

Also kookoo for cocoa-puff.

Thanks big pharma, for coming up with more new drugs to send people over the edge.
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I see a psy, and he told me he wipe his ass with the DSM-V, some ex-friend psychiatrist nurse told me that the DSM-V was controversial to a lot of them.
Maybe some psy will finally wake up?
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The answer is very simple. Stay away from docs and shrinks. If you do go to a doc, tell them you think the world is a very rosy place and just want to get your physical. Oh! And don't forget: No, doctor, I don't have guns in my home and I wear a helmet for any physical activity. IOW's, get what you need from them and lie to make it seem like you are on board with their completely retarded agenda. You otherwise will wind up on a bad list somewhere.

It is really fucking appalling that the gov't has infiltrated healthcare. Now people cannot be honest with their docs and may not get the help they really need. Which is of course fine with the jackals who view us little people as useless eaters. Soon you will not be able to access care without the chip, so you'd better decide now if you are "in" or "out" and plan accordingly.
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The DSM-5 will likely lead patients down a road of over-diagnosis and over-medication.


In the DSM-4, which Frances helped create, there had been a so-called “bereavement exclusion,” which stated that grieving the loss of a loved one, even when accompanied by symptoms of depression, should not be considered the psychiatric disorder of depression. Prior to the DSM-5, the APA had acknowledged that to have symptoms of depression while grieving the loss of a loved one is normal and not a disease. Come this spring, normal human grief accompanied by depression symptoms will be a mental disorder.
Psychiatry’s official diagnostic battle is over. Mental illness gatekeepers such as Frances who are concerned about further undermining the credibility of the APA have lost, and mental illness expansionists —psychiatry’s “neocons”— have won.
 Quoting: Indysmindy


That is a fair assumption, but I have to disagree based on the fact that including more "disorders" or 'modalities of behaviour' will give clinicians a more accurate guide by which to diagnose serious mental illnesses.

I'd also have you all know that testing to make a diagnoses using the DSM isn't taken lightly, and is carried out after many years of intensive training-- it certainly isn't undergrads making diagnostic decisions.
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It could very well be the lynchpin for full throttle gun confiscation. Have you been diagnosed for not trusting the government? No guns for you!

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Cah-Reepy!
I've heard the DSM-V was bad for everyone. With the plans of a few, the greed of shareholders, and the desires of some for a micro-chipped populace, I am sure it is.
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Everything about the pseudo-science of psychology is creepy. It's lies packed with bullshit and quackery. Everyone is crazy, it's part of the human condition.

So, throwing a temper tantrum when you are fiver or grieving over the death of a loved one is abnormal, but hanging out in a men's room to suck the cock of another dude is an 'alternative' lifestyle.

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Binge eating has progessively been grouped together with eating disorders over the years. So I'm ok with that one. I'm also fine with the modifications done to the PTSD diagnose. The rest me thinks is hmmm crap.
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Everything about the pseudo-science of psychology is creepy. It's lies packed with bullshit and quackery. Everyone is crazy, it's part of the human condition.

So, throwing a temper tantrum when you are fiver or grieving over the death of a loved one is abnormal, but hanging out in a men's room to suck the cock of another dude is an 'alternative' lifestyle.
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How true. That DSM is complete nonsense and always has been. It's nothing but political correctness made official.
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Grrrrr

Of course!

DSM is a book of witchcraft before it is a Doctor's manual.

Seriously.

ohyeah
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I see a psy, and he told me he wipe his ass with the DSM-V, some ex-friend psychiatrist nurse told me that the DSM-V was controversial to a lot of them.
Maybe some psy will finally wake up?
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We can only hope

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Other New DSM-5 Mental Illnesses

The pathologizing of normal human grief is not the only DSM-5 embarrassment for Frances. (See his December 2012 blog: “ DSM 5 Is Guide Not Bible—Ignore Its Ten Worst Changes.”) Get ready to hear about a new mental illness diagnosis for kids: “disruptive mood dysregulation disorder” (DMDD). Frances concludes DMDD “will turn temper tantrums into a mental disorder.”
 Quoting: Indysmindy


THIS one is just the sickest.

ODD version 2.0!
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DSM-5 is simply an upgrade. It will improve mental health treatment and diagnosis. Have you read it?
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An 'upgrade' to an inherently flawed approach & metholodogy for defining & diagnosing 'mental illness'?

huh

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A pill for everything...
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The DSM-5 will likely lead patients down a road of over-diagnosis and over-medication.


In the DSM-4, which Frances helped create, there had been a so-called “bereavement exclusion,” which stated that grieving the loss of a loved one, even when accompanied by symptoms of depression, should not be considered the psychiatric disorder of depression. Prior to the DSM-5, the APA had acknowledged that to have symptoms of depression while grieving the loss of a loved one is normal and not a disease. Come this spring, normal human grief accompanied by depression symptoms will be a mental disorder.
Psychiatry’s official diagnostic battle is over. Mental illness gatekeepers such as Frances who are concerned about further undermining the credibility of the APA have lost, and mental illness expansionists —psychiatry’s “neocons”— have won.
 Quoting: Indysmindy



Maybe this is linked to the Sandy Hook interviews with the "supposed" parents of the "murdered" children whose lives were untimely ripped apart by the actions of a lone gunman, yet they all lamented the death of their children with tearless smiles, exhibiting inhuman almost bionic emotional fortitude in the face of such a tragedy.

This display on national and international news by these people was the inception demonstrating to the populous the new way to grieve...... Which is you must stay functional no matter what travesty afflicts you.

Smile though your heart is breaking otherwise the government will have you medicated.

The implications are far reaching.
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An industry of death:



The marketing of madness:

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It could very well be the lynchpin for full throttle gun confiscation. Have you been diagnosed for not trusting the government? No guns for you!
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Anyone who DOES trust the government needs a checkup, from the neck up.
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I see a psy, and he told me he wipe his ass with the DSM-V, some ex-friend psychiatrist nurse told me that the DSM-V was controversial to a lot of them.
Maybe some psy will finally wake up?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34022832


I had the same experience when I took my son (autism)to a clinical psy.I said I will not put him on medication and she replied 'that's good'. His doctor is also anti dsm and anti medication also.
I have met many others in the health industry who are 'waking up'.

I think bringing out the new dsm is great,(in one way)
it's so blatantly ridiculous that it's opened peoples eyes up.
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I see a psy, and he told me he wipe his ass with the DSM-V, some ex-friend psychiatrist nurse told me that the DSM-V was controversial to a lot of them.
Maybe some psy will finally wake up?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34022832


I had the same experience when I took my son (autism)to a clinical psy.I said I will not put him on medication and she replied 'that's good'. His doctor is also anti dsm and anti medication also.
I have met many others in the health industry who are 'waking up'.

I think bringing out the new dsm is great,(in one way)
it's so blatantly ridiculous that it's opened peoples eyes up.
 Quoting: plzxplain


True, if people wake up maybe they will take care of themselves better
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Only time will tell what this DSM 5 will do or if it will help. I am familiar with the DSM-IV . I haven't seen the 5 yet.

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