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This is true but there are other ways the business could offset the rise in the cost of labor. Specifically, I am talking about the business owners taking a hit. I understand the economics of it. And I am also talking about morals and ethics. Bad times seem to always be passed on to the employees.

For example, if you are a sole-proprietor and you are sucking out $100,000 a year for your income; then you should take the hit in bad times because it was most likely due to the business owner's decisions. Why should all the employees suffer? Maybe the owner could only take $50,000 a year instead of $100,000, then take the rest and keep the employees at the same hours and pay.

Or when a CEO runs a company into the ground and makes 2000% what an entry level employee makes. How could any decent human being sleep at night after doing that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11574345


Business owners never take the hit, the only ones that generally do are small business owners and the government is running them out of business as it is.

Big business, they will never, ever take the hit.

I never understood the government running over small business owners. Small business owner are and have always been, the job creators.
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what amount was it before?
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$7.25
 Quoting: 4D Viewer


wasnt it 8.25?
 Quoting: the poop


Don't you Morans know how to use google?
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Re: Minimum wage now $9 an hour!!!!
Paying property taxes after your kids are grown supported schools. Smarter children, less crime, higher property taxes.

Paying living wages after your summer house is paid for....

Eat The Rich, and Unpatriotic.

have to say it again.

EAT THE RICH.

siren2
 Quoting: Kybeam 27604421



the rich need to clam down and learn to share,



how did they get rich in the first place...


let me guess..


lol



it's all about fairness, equallity, love, joy, truth, compassion and righteousness.

:)
 Quoting: Sundara


Most people, myself included, start at the bottom when they are young and they work themselves up. They have to do without what they were used to having when they lived with mommy and daddy and start making their own way. They moved out of a nice house, into a cheap apartment. They didn't get a brand new car, they bought what they could afford. I didn't have cable for the first 3 years I lived on my own, yes, that is a shocker, but it can be done. I drove an inexpensive car, I lived in a cheap apartment, I worked two jobs at times and GASP..they were both jobs that I HATED. It was about 6 months on my own before I could even have a phone in my apartment. I had one old couch, my bedroom stuff, I had a few pieces of kitchen things here and there that my mom gave me. I had THREE towels, had to wash them all the time.

I worked, moved myself up, saved my money, didn't have unnecessary things until I could AFFORD it.

That is what normal people do, they don't generally go from the lifestyle of mommy and daddy into that same lifestyle when they leave mommy and daddy. Mommy and daddy worked a lot of years to get to that lifestyle and they started at the bottom also when they were young.

No one shared their wealth with me, I worked to take care of myself. Yes, I know, it's a strange concept, starting at the bottom and working to support yourself and not getting something from others.

Good Lord, we are doomed..share the wealth my ass. Work for your wealth like a normal person.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487


What decade was this, the 80's. Today's $7.25/hr min wage won't pay for a cheap apartment. Most apartments here require a credit check which if you are starting out, you have no credit. The cheapest apartments around here go for $600 to $800 a month. Then add your heat, utilities and food, gas. You just can't do it now days on your own. Who wants to waste their 20's working all the time just to be on your own?

When your older and look back you think, "Well, when I was in my 20's I..... well I.... I just worked".

tounge
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Re: Minimum wage now $9 an hour!!!!
Paying property taxes after your kids are grown supported schools. Smarter children, less crime, higher property taxes.

Paying living wages after your summer house is paid for....

Eat The Rich, and Unpatriotic.

have to say it again.

EAT THE RICH.

siren2
 Quoting: Kybeam 27604421



the rich need to clam down and learn to share,



how did they get rich in the first place...


let me guess..


lol



it's all about fairness, equallity, love, joy, truth, compassion and righteousness.

:)
 Quoting: Sundara


Most people, myself included, start at the bottom when they are young and they work themselves up. They have to do without what they were used to having when they lived with mommy and daddy and start making their own way. They moved out of a nice house, into a cheap apartment. They didn't get a brand new car, they bought what they could afford. I didn't have cable for the first 3 years I lived on my own, yes, that is a shocker, but it can be done. I drove an inexpensive car, I lived in a cheap apartment, I worked two jobs at times and GASP..they were both jobs that I HATED. It was about 6 months on my own before I could even have a phone in my apartment. I had one old couch, my bedroom stuff, I had a few pieces of kitchen things here and there that my mom gave me. I had THREE towels, had to wash them all the time.

I worked, moved myself up, saved my money, didn't have unnecessary things until I could AFFORD it.

That is what normal people do, they don't generally go from the lifestyle of mommy and daddy into that same lifestyle when they leave mommy and daddy. Mommy and daddy worked a lot of years to get to that lifestyle and they started at the bottom also when they were young.

No one shared their wealth with me, I worked to take care of myself. Yes, I know, it's a strange concept, starting at the bottom and working to support yourself and not getting something from others.

Good Lord, we are doomed..share the wealth my ass. Work for your wealth like a normal person.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487


nice work, good for you:)

some people do well in the material world...

as a spiritual person i find it difficult sometimes, because my soul just wants to be free, to not be a slave.


if i were single then i would just live on a tropical beach somewhere, but alas that is not my situation now...

i need to earn money..

all i can get a remedial jobs because of my felony, heh that's another story...


so anyways it's not about me or you, it's about all of us...

we need to share, if we can't share then someone needs to make us.

thank you God:)

thank You
 Quoting: Sundara


It has nothing to do with a material world.

So you screwed up and have a felony, can't get a good job and I should take money from my job and support you since you screwed up?

Nice.
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so less profits for walmart and china ..big deal
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1406520


Guess you don't bother reading threads much do you? Walmart does not eat the profits, they pass the cost back onto YOU and they keep the same profits.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432




shop less..



we are not consumers, we are Human beings.

immortal aspects of God.
 Quoting: Sundara


That doesn't even make sense, we ARE the consumers. Shop less, shut down the stores, hundreds lose their jobs, the economy then is even worse than it is today.

Brilliant plan...smh
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487




it is, you just have not seen from my point of view...yet:)


so you consider yourself a consumer?

how much do you need to consume each day?

lol

this is interesting...

do you have a dozen pairs of shoes and a bunch of leather handbags?


why do we need stuff?

when you die should we bury all of your stuff with you?


do you like to show off your stuff?

lol
i love you:)
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the rich need to clam down and learn to share,



how did they get rich in the first place...


let me guess..


lol



it's all about fairness, equallity, love, joy, truth, compassion and righteousness.

:)
 Quoting: Sundara


Most people, myself included, start at the bottom when they are young and they work themselves up. They have to do without what they were used to having when they lived with mommy and daddy and start making their own way. They moved out of a nice house, into a cheap apartment. They didn't get a brand new car, they bought what they could afford. I didn't have cable for the first 3 years I lived on my own, yes, that is a shocker, but it can be done. I drove an inexpensive car, I lived in a cheap apartment, I worked two jobs at times and GASP..they were both jobs that I HATED. It was about 6 months on my own before I could even have a phone in my apartment. I had one old couch, my bedroom stuff, I had a few pieces of kitchen things here and there that my mom gave me. I had THREE towels, had to wash them all the time.

I worked, moved myself up, saved my money, didn't have unnecessary things until I could AFFORD it.

That is what normal people do, they don't generally go from the lifestyle of mommy and daddy into that same lifestyle when they leave mommy and daddy. Mommy and daddy worked a lot of years to get to that lifestyle and they started at the bottom also when they were young.

No one shared their wealth with me, I worked to take care of myself. Yes, I know, it's a strange concept, starting at the bottom and working to support yourself and not getting something from others.

Good Lord, we are doomed..share the wealth my ass. Work for your wealth like a normal person.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487


nice work, good for you:)

some people do well in the material world...

as a spiritual person i find it difficult sometimes, because my soul just wants to be free, to not be a slave.


if i were single then i would just live on a tropical beach somewhere, but alas that is not my situation now...

i need to earn money..

all i can get a remedial jobs because of my felony, heh that's another story...


so anyways it's not about me or you, it's about all of us...

we need to share, if we can't share then someone needs to make us.

thank you God:)

thank You
 Quoting: Sundara


It has nothing to do with a material world.

So you screwed up and have a felony, can't get a good job and I should take money from my job and support you since you screwed up?

Nice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487




you should care because we are brothers.
i love you:)
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Wow, you people are dense.
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Re: Minimum wage now $9 an hour!!!!
This is true but there are other ways the business could offset the rise in the cost of labor. Specifically, I am talking about the business owners taking a hit. I understand the economics of it. And I am also talking about morals and ethics. Bad times seem to always be passed on to the employees.

For example, if you are a sole-proprietor and you are sucking out $100,000 a year for your income; then you should take the hit in bad times because it was most likely due to the business owner's decisions. Why should all the employees suffer? Maybe the owner could only take $50,000 a year instead of $100,000, then take the rest and keep the employees at the same hours and pay.

Or when a CEO runs a company into the ground and makes 2000% what an entry level employee makes. How could any decent human being sleep at night after doing that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11574345


Employers need employees, if the employee is valuable then they can transition to another company for more or less pay. The employer then has incentive to pay them more to retain their labor. What don't you understand about that?

How does using government force to mandate what must be paid help the situation out at all? It just makes less jobs available overall to people who are in the minimum wage bracket.

The problem is nanny state mentality where people think the government can solve all these problems. Well let me wake you up, the government will make all kinds of promises and won't give a damn about whether the policy works or not, if the economy ends up losing overall they throw it on the public credit card (debt) which everyone will eventually pay, if there is no money then the payment is bankruptcy.

BTW CEO's make 2000% of what entry level employees make because of excessive government regulation usually. Again, its government interference in the economy that causes most of the problems.

.
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Re: Minimum wage now $9 an hour!!!!
Paying property taxes after your kids are grown supported schools. Smarter children, less crime, higher property taxes.

Paying living wages after your summer house is paid for....

Eat The Rich, and Unpatriotic.

have to say it again.

EAT THE RICH.

siren2
 Quoting: Kybeam 27604421



the rich need to clam down and learn to share,



how did they get rich in the first place...


let me guess..


lol



it's all about fairness, equallity, love, joy, truth, compassion and righteousness.

:)
 Quoting: Sundara


Most people, myself included, start at the bottom when they are young and they work themselves up. They have to do without what they were used to having when they lived with mommy and daddy and start making their own way. They moved out of a nice house, into a cheap apartment. They didn't get a brand new car, they bought what they could afford. I didn't have cable for the first 3 years I lived on my own, yes, that is a shocker, but it can be done. I drove an inexpensive car, I lived in a cheap apartment, I worked two jobs at times and GASP..they were both jobs that I HATED. It was about 6 months on my own before I could even have a phone in my apartment. I had one old couch, my bedroom stuff, I had a few pieces of kitchen things here and there that my mom gave me. I had THREE towels, had to wash them all the time.

I worked, moved myself up, saved my money, didn't have unnecessary things until I could AFFORD it.

That is what normal people do, they don't generally go from the lifestyle of mommy and daddy into that same lifestyle when they leave mommy and daddy. Mommy and daddy worked a lot of years to get to that lifestyle and they started at the bottom also when they were young.

No one shared their wealth with me, I worked to take care of myself. Yes, I know, it's a strange concept, starting at the bottom and working to support yourself and not getting something from others.

Good Lord, we are doomed..share the wealth my ass. Work for your wealth like a normal person.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487


What a joke. Love how you put yourself on a pedestal. And the way you seem to think that anyone who isn't successful has not went through the same shit as you. Excuse my prophanity.

Believe me, you are not special. My Father has worked his ass of his whole life. Ha been successful through every endevour. Only to get screwed by his employers near the edge of his retirement as well as get pennies from social secerity that he has paid into his whole life. This man has always worked his ass off only to get shit on. And this is happening to a lot of hard ass working people who I know would work most peoples asses to the grind.

Or my father inlaw who lost over half of his retirement after 911. And other family members.

So you think you are special? You think you deserve more because you are smarter or have worked harder than everybody else? Grow up and quick being a pompous, selfish person.

This generation is a selfish generation.
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Re: Minimum wage now $9 an hour!!!!
Paying property taxes after your kids are grown supported schools. Smarter children, less crime, higher property taxes.

Paying living wages after your summer house is paid for....

Eat The Rich, and Unpatriotic.

have to say it again.

EAT THE RICH.

siren2
 Quoting: Kybeam 27604421



the rich need to clam down and learn to share,



how did they get rich in the first place...


let me guess..


lol



it's all about fairness, equallity, love, joy, truth, compassion and righteousness.

:)
 Quoting: Sundara


Most people, myself included, start at the bottom when they are young and they work themselves up. They have to do without what they were used to having when they lived with mommy and daddy and start making their own way. They moved out of a nice house, into a cheap apartment. They didn't get a brand new car, they bought what they could afford. I didn't have cable for the first 3 years I lived on my own, yes, that is a shocker, but it can be done. I drove an inexpensive car, I lived in a cheap apartment, I worked two jobs at times and GASP..they were both jobs that I HATED. It was about 6 months on my own before I could even have a phone in my apartment. I had one old couch, my bedroom stuff, I had a few pieces of kitchen things here and there that my mom gave me. I had THREE towels, had to wash them all the time.

I worked, moved myself up, saved my money, didn't have unnecessary things until I could AFFORD it.

That is what normal people do, they don't generally go from the lifestyle of mommy and daddy into that same lifestyle when they leave mommy and daddy. Mommy and daddy worked a lot of years to get to that lifestyle and they started at the bottom also when they were young.

No one shared their wealth with me, I worked to take care of myself. Yes, I know, it's a strange concept, starting at the bottom and working to support yourself and not getting something from others.

Good Lord, we are doomed..share the wealth my ass. Work for your wealth like a normal person.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487


What decade was this, the 80's. Today's $7.25/hr min wage won't pay for a cheap apartment. Most apartments here require a credit check which if you are starting out, you have no credit. The cheapest apartments around here go for $600 to $800 a month. Then add your heat, utilities and food, gas. You just can't do it now days on your own. Who wants to waste their 20's working all the time just to be on your own?

When your older and look back you think, "Well, when I was in my 20's I..... well I.... I just worked".

tounge
 Quoting: Heatseeker


No different in the late 80's, early 90's. Oh, I forgot one important thing. I always had a roommate until I was about 28.

You think they didn't have credit checks, heat, utilities, food, gas, etc then? At one time 4 of us rented an older big house and we split everything. That's how you do it, it's no different for you now than it was for any of us in the 80's and 90's.
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This is true but there are other ways the business could offset the rise in the cost of labor. Specifically, I am talking about the business owners taking a hit. I understand the economics of it. And I am also talking about morals and ethics. Bad times seem to always be passed on to the employees.

For example, if you are a sole-proprietor and you are sucking out $100,000 a year for your income; then you should take the hit in bad times because it was most likely due to the business owner's decisions. Why should all the employees suffer? Maybe the owner could only take $50,000 a year instead of $100,000, then take the rest and keep the employees at the same hours and pay.

Or when a CEO runs a company into the ground and makes 2000% what an entry level employee makes. How could any decent human being sleep at night after doing that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11574345


Employers need employees, if the employee is valuable then they can transition to another company for more or less pay. The employer then has incentive to pay them more to retain their labor. What don't you understand about that?

How does using government force to mandate what must be paid help the situation out at all? It just makes less jobs available overall to people who are in the minimum wage bracket.

The problem is nanny state mentality where people think the government can solve all these problems. Well let me wake you up, the government will make all kinds of promises and won't give a damn about whether the policy works or not, if the economy ends up losing overall they throw it on the public credit card (debt) which everyone will eventually pay, if there is no money then the payment is bankruptcy.

BTW CEO's make 2000% of what entry level employees make because of excessive government regulation usually. Again, its government interference in the economy that causes most of the problems.

.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432




bsflag


less regulation so i can get rich!
i can pay some cheap/slave labor 5 bucks an hour and just outsource my work and go live on my yacht!

woot!

lol

right?


i predict a more serious response with mumbo jumbo trying to explain why the peasants should not get more pay




honestly are you business people human?


look in the mirror, what do you care about?


please tell me your thoughts...

Last Edited by Sundara on 02/13/2013 01:17 AM
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the rich need to clam down and learn to share,



how did they get rich in the first place...


let me guess..


lol



it's all about fairness, equallity, love, joy, truth, compassion and righteousness.

:)
 Quoting: Sundara


Most people, myself included, start at the bottom when they are young and they work themselves up. They have to do without what they were used to having when they lived with mommy and daddy and start making their own way. They moved out of a nice house, into a cheap apartment. They didn't get a brand new car, they bought what they could afford. I didn't have cable for the first 3 years I lived on my own, yes, that is a shocker, but it can be done. I drove an inexpensive car, I lived in a cheap apartment, I worked two jobs at times and GASP..they were both jobs that I HATED. It was about 6 months on my own before I could even have a phone in my apartment. I had one old couch, my bedroom stuff, I had a few pieces of kitchen things here and there that my mom gave me. I had THREE towels, had to wash them all the time.

I worked, moved myself up, saved my money, didn't have unnecessary things until I could AFFORD it.

That is what normal people do, they don't generally go from the lifestyle of mommy and daddy into that same lifestyle when they leave mommy and daddy. Mommy and daddy worked a lot of years to get to that lifestyle and they started at the bottom also when they were young.

No one shared their wealth with me, I worked to take care of myself. Yes, I know, it's a strange concept, starting at the bottom and working to support yourself and not getting something from others.

Good Lord, we are doomed..share the wealth my ass. Work for your wealth like a normal person.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487


What decade was this, the 80's. Today's $7.25/hr min wage won't pay for a cheap apartment. Most apartments here require a credit check which if you are starting out, you have no credit. The cheapest apartments around here go for $600 to $800 a month. Then add your heat, utilities and food, gas. You just can't do it now days on your own. Who wants to waste their 20's working all the time just to be on your own?

When your older and look back you think, "Well, when I was in my 20's I..... well I.... I just worked".

tounge
 Quoting: Heatseeker


No different in the late 80's, early 90's. Oh, I forgot one important thing. I always had a roommate until I was about 28.

You think they didn't have credit checks, heat, utilities, food, gas, etc then? At one time 4 of us rented an older big house and we split everything. That's how you do it, it's no different for you now than it was for any of us in the 80's and 90's.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487


You said you lived on your own the first 3 years.

Gotcha
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Re: Minimum wage now $9 an hour!!!!
Paying property taxes after your kids are grown supported schools. Smarter children, less crime, higher property taxes.

Paying living wages after your summer house is paid for....

Eat The Rich, and Unpatriotic.

have to say it again.

EAT THE RICH.

siren2
 Quoting: Kybeam 27604421



the rich need to clam down and learn to share,



how did they get rich in the first place...


let me guess..


lol



it's all about fairness, equallity, love, joy, truth, compassion and righteousness.

:)
 Quoting: Sundara


Most people, myself included, start at the bottom when they are young and they work themselves up. They have to do without what they were used to having when they lived with mommy and daddy and start making their own way. They moved out of a nice house, into a cheap apartment. They didn't get a brand new car, they bought what they could afford. I didn't have cable for the first 3 years I lived on my own, yes, that is a shocker, but it can be done. I drove an inexpensive car, I lived in a cheap apartment, I worked two jobs at times and GASP..they were both jobs that I HATED. It was about 6 months on my own before I could even have a phone in my apartment. I had one old couch, my bedroom stuff, I had a few pieces of kitchen things here and there that my mom gave me. I had THREE towels, had to wash them all the time.

I worked, moved myself up, saved my money, didn't have unnecessary things until I could AFFORD it.

That is what normal people do, they don't generally go from the lifestyle of mommy and daddy into that same lifestyle when they leave mommy and daddy. Mommy and daddy worked a lot of years to get to that lifestyle and they started at the bottom also when they were young.

No one shared their wealth with me, I worked to take care of myself. Yes, I know, it's a strange concept, starting at the bottom and working to support yourself and not getting something from others.

Good Lord, we are doomed..share the wealth my ass. Work for your wealth like a normal person.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487


What a joke. Love how you put yourself on a pedestal. And the way you seem to think that anyone who isn't successful has not went through the same shit as you. Excuse my prophanity.

Believe me, you are not special. My Father has worked his ass of his whole life. Ha been successful through every endevour. Only to get screwed by his employers near the edge of his retirement as well as get pennies from social secerity that he has paid into his whole life. This man has always worked his ass off only to get shit on. And this is happening to a lot of hard ass working people who I know would work most peoples asses to the grind.

Or my father inlaw who lost over half of his retirement after 911. And other family members.

So you think you are special? You think you deserve more because you are smarter or have worked harder than everybody else? Grow up and quick being a pompous, selfish person.

This generation is a selfish generation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33237816


I think I deserve more? I am not the one asking for people to share the wealth lol.

This generation? I'm not "this generation" at all. I paid my dues when I was just out of school in the late 80's. People can be as successful as they want. I started at the bottom and worked my way up, over many years.

I have my own family to take care of and we can't afford to "share the wealth" with anyone. I got student loans and went to school, took YEARS to pay them off. Why did I do that? I got tired of only being able to get minimum wage jobs.
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If you live in an area where you can't sell your unskilled labor. You either move to a place where you can sell your unskilled labor....or you stop selling unskilled labor and arrange to sell labor that is needed in your area.

What good does raising the price of unskilled labor in an area that apparently does not need it? None. Does raising the price of ice in the Arctic help at all? No.

Your only choice are to increase the demand for unskilled labor or reduce the supply of it. That is the ONLY way to get the price of unskilled labor up.

How do you do that? Well...you can stop the flow of unskilled labor across the border. You can have your lawmakers stop sending unskilled labor jobs overseas. You can educate and train unskilled laborers with skills that are actually in demand. You can encourage business that uses unskilled labor to expand so that they need more unskilled labor.

Arbitrarily raising the price of unneeded unskilled labor...does nada.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34146475





not all min wage jobs are labor jobs,

now days many other types of jobs are only offering min wage...

i know because i have have been job searching for over two months..

it's not really fair to just put it all on unskilled people, we are just trying to survive in the material world, not trying to take from anyone just trying to take care of our children.
 Quoting: Sundara


The same laws apply for any labor market. Unskilled or skilled.

If your skill is only pulling minimum wage then that skill is not in demand and there is a supply of that skill that exceeds the demand.

Your choices are...change to sell a skill that is in demand....raise the demand for your skill....decrease the supply of your skill.

It's just the way it works. It can't be avoided. There is no magic wand or decree that can change it. It's Econ 101.

Take action accordingly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34146475


well yeah, but in my case i gotta get whatever job i can get and i just cant' take care of my family at 7.25 unless it's full time...

we need to be paid more that's all there is to it, jobs are just going to have to figure it out in their budget so that we can pay our rent and feed ourselves.


please
 Quoting: Sundara


Unfortunately, that's not going to work for you. People struggled to pay rent back when they were making $1.25. They are still struggling to pay rent at $7.25. It makes no difference.

The unskilled labor market is a treadmill that never gets better. They are throwing you a mirage to pretend they "care" and to buy your vote while stealing your savings through inflation.

This is why higher education is important and trades are important and making it EASY to start a business is important.

But they make it harder and harder to start a business because they are protecting their buddies from YOUR potential competition. They want you to stay on that treadmill and not upset the status quo. Go try to start a lemonade stand and the cops and inspectors will probably be there to shut you down within an hour.

I wish you good luck, but you gotta get off of that treadmill.
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Most people, myself included, start at the bottom when they are young and they work themselves up. They have to do without what they were used to having when they lived with mommy and daddy and start making their own way. They moved out of a nice house, into a cheap apartment. They didn't get a brand new car, they bought what they could afford. I didn't have cable for the first 3 years I lived on my own, yes, that is a shocker, but it can be done. I drove an inexpensive car, I lived in a cheap apartment, I worked two jobs at times and GASP..they were both jobs that I HATED. It was about 6 months on my own before I could even have a phone in my apartment. I had one old couch, my bedroom stuff, I had a few pieces of kitchen things here and there that my mom gave me. I had THREE towels, had to wash them all the time.

I worked, moved myself up, saved my money, didn't have unnecessary things until I could AFFORD it.

That is what normal people do, they don't generally go from the lifestyle of mommy and daddy into that same lifestyle when they leave mommy and daddy. Mommy and daddy worked a lot of years to get to that lifestyle and they started at the bottom also when they were young.

No one shared their wealth with me, I worked to take care of myself. Yes, I know, it's a strange concept, starting at the bottom and working to support yourself and not getting something from others.

Good Lord, we are doomed..share the wealth my ass. Work for your wealth like a normal person.
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What decade was this, the 80's. Today's $7.25/hr min wage won't pay for a cheap apartment. Most apartments here require a credit check which if you are starting out, you have no credit. The cheapest apartments around here go for $600 to $800 a month. Then add your heat, utilities and food, gas. You just can't do it now days on your own. Who wants to waste their 20's working all the time just to be on your own?

When your older and look back you think, "Well, when I was in my 20's I..... well I.... I just worked".

tounge
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No different in the late 80's, early 90's. Oh, I forgot one important thing. I always had a roommate until I was about 28.

You think they didn't have credit checks, heat, utilities, food, gas, etc then? At one time 4 of us rented an older big house and we split everything. That's how you do it, it's no different for you now than it was for any of us in the 80's and 90's.
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You said you lived on your own the first 3 years.

Gotcha
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On my own, not with mom and dad.
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This is true but there are other ways the business could offset the rise in the cost of labor. Specifically, I am talking about the business owners taking a hit. I understand the economics of it. And I am also talking about morals and ethics. Bad times seem to always be passed on to the employees.

For example, if you are a sole-proprietor and you are sucking out $100,000 a year for your income; then you should take the hit in bad times because it was most likely due to the business owner's decisions. Why should all the employees suffer? Maybe the owner could only take $50,000 a year instead of $100,000, then take the rest and keep the employees at the same hours and pay.

Or when a CEO runs a company into the ground and makes 2000% what an entry level employee makes. How could any decent human being sleep at night after doing that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11574345


Employers need employees, if the employee is valuable then they can transition to another company for more or less pay. The employer then has incentive to pay them more to retain their labor. What don't you understand about that?

How does using government force to mandate what must be paid help the situation out at all? It just makes less jobs available overall to people who are in the minimum wage bracket.

The problem is nanny state mentality where people think the government can solve all these problems. Well let me wake you up, the government will make all kinds of promises and won't give a damn about whether the policy works or not, if the economy ends up losing overall they throw it on the public credit card (debt) which everyone will eventually pay, if there is no money then the payment is bankruptcy.

BTW CEO's make 2000% of what entry level employees make because of excessive government regulation usually. Again, its government interference in the economy that causes most of the problems.

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bsflag


less regulation so i can get rich!


right?
 Quoting: Sundara


No, a free market so that labor can compete, jobs can be created and a return to health, organic growth can occur. I don't want to be rich, too much stress lol. I want a free market, a free market means a free nation. I like freedom.
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Most people, myself included, start at the bottom when they are young and they work themselves up. They have to do without what they were used to having when they lived with mommy and daddy and start making their own way. They moved out of a nice house, into a cheap apartment. They didn't get a brand new car, they bought what they could afford. I didn't have cable for the first 3 years I lived on my own, yes, that is a shocker, but it can be done. I drove an inexpensive car, I lived in a cheap apartment, I worked two jobs at times and GASP..they were both jobs that I HATED. It was about 6 months on my own before I could even have a phone in my apartment. I had one old couch, my bedroom stuff, I had a few pieces of kitchen things here and there that my mom gave me. I had THREE towels, had to wash them all the time.

I worked, moved myself up, saved my money, didn't have unnecessary things until I could AFFORD it.

That is what normal people do, they don't generally go from the lifestyle of mommy and daddy into that same lifestyle when they leave mommy and daddy. Mommy and daddy worked a lot of years to get to that lifestyle and they started at the bottom also when they were young.

No one shared their wealth with me, I worked to take care of myself. Yes, I know, it's a strange concept, starting at the bottom and working to support yourself and not getting something from others.

Good Lord, we are doomed..share the wealth my ass. Work for your wealth like a normal person.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487


nice work, good for you:)

some people do well in the material world...

as a spiritual person i find it difficult sometimes, because my soul just wants to be free, to not be a slave.


if i were single then i would just live on a tropical beach somewhere, but alas that is not my situation now...

i need to earn money..

all i can get a remedial jobs because of my felony, heh that's another story...


so anyways it's not about me or you, it's about all of us...

we need to share, if we can't share then someone needs to make us.

thank you God:)

thank You
 Quoting: Sundara


It has nothing to do with a material world.

So you screwed up and have a felony, can't get a good job and I should take money from my job and support you since you screwed up?

Nice.
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you should care because we are brothers.
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You are not MY responsibility, you are YOUR responsibility. MY FAMILY is my responsibility.
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not all min wage jobs are labor jobs,

now days many other types of jobs are only offering min wage...

i know because i have have been job searching for over two months..

it's not really fair to just put it all on unskilled people, we are just trying to survive in the material world, not trying to take from anyone just trying to take care of our children.
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The same laws apply for any labor market. Unskilled or skilled.

If your skill is only pulling minimum wage then that skill is not in demand and there is a supply of that skill that exceeds the demand.

Your choices are...change to sell a skill that is in demand....raise the demand for your skill....decrease the supply of your skill.

It's just the way it works. It can't be avoided. There is no magic wand or decree that can change it. It's Econ 101.

Take action accordingly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34146475


well yeah, but in my case i gotta get whatever job i can get and i just cant' take care of my family at 7.25 unless it's full time...

we need to be paid more that's all there is to it, jobs are just going to have to figure it out in their budget so that we can pay our rent and feed ourselves.


please
 Quoting: Sundara


Unfortunately, that's not going to work for you. People struggled to pay rent back when they were making $1.25. They are still struggling to pay rent at $7.25. It makes no difference.

The unskilled labor market is a treadmill that never gets better. They are throwing you a mirage to pretend they "care" and to buy your vote while stealing your savings through inflation.

This is why higher education is important and trades are important and making it EASY to start a business is important.

But they make it harder and harder to start a business because they are protecting their buddies from YOUR potential competition. They want you to stay on that treadmill and not upset the status quo. Go try to start a lemonade stand and the cops and inspectors will probably be there to shut you down within an hour.

I wish you good luck, but you gotta get off of that treadmill.
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thanks brother, i hear you
i love you:)
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He'll yeah!!!!!!
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Seriously? "He’ll?"
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thank God I closed done my business when he got elected. I knew who he was and is today.
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Guess you don't bother reading threads much do you? Walmart does not eat the profits, they pass the cost back onto YOU and they keep the same profits.

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shop less..



we are not consumers, we are Human beings.

immortal aspects of God.
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That doesn't even make sense, we ARE the consumers. Shop less, shut down the stores, hundreds lose their jobs, the economy then is even worse than it is today.

Brilliant plan...smh
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487




it is, you just have not seen from my point of view...yet:)


so you consider yourself a consumer?

how much do you need to consume each day?

lol

this is interesting...

do you have a dozen pairs of shoes and a bunch of leather handbags?


why do we need stuff?

when you die should we bury all of your stuff with you?


do you like to show off your stuff?

lol
 Quoting: Sundara


This reply above of yours explains exactly why you aren't getting a better job.

You don't know what a consumer is.

You don't understand why we need "stuff" such as shoes and clothes..you know, like things you have to wear to your JOB?

Honey, it's not your criminal record standing in your way.
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nice work, good for you:)

some people do well in the material world...

as a spiritual person i find it difficult sometimes, because my soul just wants to be free, to not be a slave.


if i were single then i would just live on a tropical beach somewhere, but alas that is not my situation now...

i need to earn money..

all i can get a remedial jobs because of my felony, heh that's another story...


so anyways it's not about me or you, it's about all of us...

we need to share, if we can't share then someone needs to make us.

thank you God:)

thank You
 Quoting: Sundara


It has nothing to do with a material world.

So you screwed up and have a felony, can't get a good job and I should take money from my job and support you since you screwed up?

Nice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487




you should care because we are brothers.
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You are not MY responsibility, you are YOUR responsibility. MY FAMILY is my responsibility.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487



at our soul level, you are my brother...

remember?
i love you:)
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you should care because we are brothers.
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I do care, that is why I think personal responsibility is more important for you than relying on government to set your wages. The more government controls things, the less autonomy you have, the less freedom you have. I want you to be free brother.

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shop less..



we are not consumers, we are Human beings.

immortal aspects of God.
 Quoting: Sundara


That doesn't even make sense, we ARE the consumers. Shop less, shut down the stores, hundreds lose their jobs, the economy then is even worse than it is today.

Brilliant plan...smh
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487




it is, you just have not seen from my point of view...yet:)


so you consider yourself a consumer?

how much do you need to consume each day?

lol

this is interesting...

do you have a dozen pairs of shoes and a bunch of leather handbags?


why do we need stuff?

when you die should we bury all of your stuff with you?


do you like to show off your stuff?

lol
 Quoting: Sundara


This reply above of yours explains exactly why you aren't getting a better job.

You don't know what a consumer is.

You don't understand why we need "stuff" such as shoes and clothes..you know, like things you have to wear to your JOB?

Honey, it's not your criminal record standing in your way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487


lol

nothing is standing in my way, i'm just talking:)

i'm doing fine actually, i'm self employed, but i am sticking up for the millions of poor.

as we all should
i love you:)
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This is a quick fix!! It won't last long. Money does not grow from trees!
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Minimum wage goes up,everything else will go up,gas,power,groceries etc...on the fast track to hyper-inflation.
Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery - Bob Marley
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I think I deserve more? I am not the one asking for people to share the wealth lol.

This generation? I'm not "this generation" at all. I paid my dues when I was just out of school in the late 80's. People can be as successful as they want. I started at the bottom and worked my way up, over many years.

I have my own family to take care of and we can't afford to "share the wealth" with anyone. I got student loans and went to school, took YEARS to pay them off. Why did I do that? I got tired of only being able to get minimum wage jobs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487


Well concider yourself fortunate or that you deserve anything.

You are no different than a lot of people who have not been as succesful but not from lack of education or hard work.

You were given an opportunity at some point in you life and if you have employees, you know that you can not be successful without them. Because "you" can't do it all by yourself.

Consider yourself special then. You are better then everyone else.
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you should care because we are brothers.
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I do care, that is why I think personal responsibility is more important for you than relying on government to set your wages. The more government controls things, the less autonomy you have, the less freedom you have. I want you to be free brother.

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AMEN!
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you should care because we are brothers.
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I do care, that is why I think personal responsibility is more important for you than relying on government to set your wages. The more government controls things, the less autonomy you have, the less freedom you have. I want you to be free brother.

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thanks, but in a system where you need money to feed, clothe and shelter yourself then some may need help, in fact because of extreme greed, many need help or we will be raped by corporations/for-profit banks/interest rates..
i love you:)
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I think I deserve more? I am not the one asking for people to share the wealth lol.

This generation? I'm not "this generation" at all. I paid my dues when I was just out of school in the late 80's. People can be as successful as they want. I started at the bottom and worked my way up, over many years.

I have my own family to take care of and we can't afford to "share the wealth" with anyone. I got student loans and went to school, took YEARS to pay them off. Why did I do that? I got tired of only being able to get minimum wage jobs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487


Well concider yourself fortunate or that you deserve anything.

You are no different than a lot of people who have not been as succesful but not from lack of education or hard work.

You were given an opportunity at some point in you life and if you have employees, you know that you can not be successful without them. Because "you" can't do it all by yourself.

Consider yourself special then. You are better then everyone else.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33237816


Yes, I had an opportunity that I GAVE TO MYSELF, I went back to school.

I don't have employees, like I said, I work for a living, I do not have a business.

I took care of myself, it's nothing special, people have been doing that for hundreds of years. This "people take care of me" mentality has been sneaking in the last few years and gotten very prevalent the last about 5 years..wonder why?

Stop believing the lies that this Administration is telling you..you can take care of yourself. The government is not your daddy and you can't count on them or anyone else.

The only person you can count on is you.
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I think I deserve more? I am not the one asking for people to share the wealth lol.

This generation? I'm not "this generation" at all. I paid my dues when I was just out of school in the late 80's. People can be as successful as they want. I started at the bottom and worked my way up, over many years.

I have my own family to take care of and we can't afford to "share the wealth" with anyone. I got student loans and went to school, took YEARS to pay them off. Why did I do that? I got tired of only being able to get minimum wage jobs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487


Well concider yourself fortunate or that you deserve anything.

You are no different than a lot of people who have not been as succesful but not from lack of education or hard work.

You were given an opportunity at some point in you life and if you have employees, you know that you can not be successful without them. Because "you" can't do it all by yourself.

Consider yourself special then. You are better then everyone else.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33237816


Yes, I had an opportunity that I GAVE TO MYSELF, I went back to school.

I don't have employees, like I said, I work for a living, I do not have a business.

I took care of myself, it's nothing special, people have been doing that for hundreds of years. This "people take care of me" mentality has been sneaking in the last few years and gotten very prevalent the last about 5 years..wonder why?

Stop believing the lies that this Administration is telling you..you can take care of yourself. The government is not your daddy and you can't count on them or anyone else.

The only person you can count on is you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14151487


without food stamps we would be homeless.
some people need help.
don't forget that, please


there are not enough jobs for everyone right now...


the material world is out of control...


the rich/poor class system is just morally bankrupt.
i love you:)