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Minimum wage now $9 an hour!!!!

 
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Is he trying to run us out of business!!! If you raise one side the other would even out with it!!! The money comes from the people that buy the product and the price just rose by $1 cause of the minimum wage raise!! He does not get it!!

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Raising minimum wage just means there are more people making minimum wage. All the people who were making $9 an hour when minimum wage was less than $9 an hour are still making minimum wage now so that just means more people are making minimum.

If minimum wage was $6 an hour and it went up to $9 an hour and everyone, not just the people making the original $6 an hour, got a $3 an hour raise (from $9 to $12 for example) then raising minimum might makes sense. They don't do that though. When minimum wage is raised there are just more people now making minimum wage.

Actually it never makes sense to raise minimum wage since that is the base that all prices are set on. When minimum wage rises all prices rise with it so that means that people who make minimum wage are making a little more per hour but the raise is eaten up by the rising costs so nothing has changed for them. Lots has changed for everyone else though since they did not get a raise, they are now closer to minimum and they have less buying power than they did before.
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^This man knows what he is talking about.
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Taxes here are a nightmare. When I was single and taxed at the highest rate, I paid about 42% of my paycheck to taxes and at the end of the year, I would maybe get $200-$300 back after filing my taxes.
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When I made a lot of money, I paid even more.

But it didn't bother me because I made so much.

But if you have a low income and pay 37% taxes, and the government helps you out because the taxes are so high, it gets rather bizarre.
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Is he trying to run us out of business!!! If you raise one side the other would even out with it!!! The money comes from the people that buy the product and the price just rose by $1 cause of the minimum wage raise!! He does not get it!!

[link to www.businessweek.com]
 Quoting: 4D Viewer


Raising minimum wage just means there are more people making minimum wage. All the people who were making $9 an hour when minimum wage was less than $9 an hour are still making minimum wage now so that just means more people are making minimum.

If minimum wage was $6 an hour and it went up to $9 an hour and everyone, not just the people making the original $6 an hour, got a $3 an hour raise (from $9 to $12 for example) then raising minimum might makes sense. They don't do that though. When minimum wage is raised there are just more people now making minimum wage.

Actually it never makes sense to raise minimum wage since that is the base that all prices are set on. When minimum wage rises all prices rise with it so that means that people who make minimum wage are making a little more per hour but the raise is eaten up by the rising costs so nothing has changed for them. Lots has changed for everyone else though since they did not get a raise, they are now closer to minimum and they have less buying power than they did before.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33640796

It means you can kick alot of people off foodstamps as they go over your set minimum, but all food prices are going to slam upwards so they actually lost by raising minimum wage likely. It means alot more part time minimum wage workers so unemployment rates just look better.He needs to put a ban on contract labor and people forcing people to work off the record for less than minimum wage.
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That's really going to help small business owners.

Not.
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Is he trying to run us out of business!!! If you raise one side the other would even out with it!!! The money comes from the people that buy the product and the price just rose by $1 cause of the minimum wage raise!! He does not get it!!

[link to www.businessweek.com]
 Quoting: 4D Viewer


Raising minimum wage just means there are more people making minimum wage. All the people who were making $9 an hour when minimum wage was less than $9 an hour are still making minimum wage now so that just means more people are making minimum.

If minimum wage was $6 an hour and it went up to $9 an hour and everyone, not just the people making the original $6 an hour, got a $3 an hour raise (from $9 to $12 for example) then raising minimum might makes sense. They don't do that though. When minimum wage is raised there are just more people now making minimum wage.

Actually it never makes sense to raise minimum wage since that is the base that all prices are set on. When minimum wage rises all prices rise with it so that means that people who make minimum wage are making a little more per hour but the raise is eaten up by the rising costs so nothing has changed for them. Lots has changed for everyone else though since they did not get a raise, they are now closer to minimum and they have less buying power than they did before.
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^This man knows what he is talking about.
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Yes this person does know, that's what several of us have been trying to explain. When these companies have to pay their employees more money because of the rise in the minimum wage, they will just raise their prices and the burden of the rise in minimum wage will be put on the consumer. Now if the person getting a raise because of the rise in minimum raise wasn't a consumer, then they would make more money, but there is no way to not be a consumer, unless you live in the woods, kill your food with your bare hands, wrap yourself in the skins of the animals for your clothing, drink rain water and eat wild plants. Of course if you are living like that you aren't going to be working and you won't be making minimum wage.

There is just no way around it, when minimum wage rises, the cost of living rises with it to cover the cost of having to pay employees more. People are better off without the minimum wage rising, working for a company that will give them regular raises and reward hard work and the government just leaving the minimum wage alone. If a company suddenly has to give thousands of people a raise, even if they are slackers, then there is going to be a price increase, no way around it. Well there is a way around it, but business will always pass that cost along to the consumer, big business always will for sure.
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This only affects the businesses that are paying their employees minimum wage, which are usually the companies that are taking advantage of them anyway. Do you really think $7.25/hour is a livable wage? What's wrong with the guy flipping your burger getting paid a few bucks more? I think the fact that the government has to step in and force businesses to pay a living wage says more about business practices than the government.
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That's really going to help small business owners.

Not.
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I know.

Low wages will not help the economy either.

Henry Ford paid high wages otherwise his employees could not afford his cars.

Wages must somehow reflect real productivity, and this productivity should not be syphoned off by a few oligarchs.

If there was sufficient employment, then wages would rise.

But there is not, and a small part of the workforce could produce everything we need.

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Taxes here are a nightmare. When I was single and taxed at the highest rate, I paid about 42% of my paycheck to taxes and at the end of the year, I would maybe get $200-$300 back after filing my taxes.
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When I made a lot of money, I paid even more.

But it didn't bother me because I made so much.

But if you have a low income and pay 37% taxes, and the government helps you out because the taxes are so high, it gets rather bizarre.
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They don't help us here and my tax rate was not low income at all, pretty much middle income. What they are about to do though is raise taxes even more on middle income. We really should have a flat tax rate here, but we don't. Even if someone makes $1 million a year, they still pay a very, very large tax rate.

Also say you save a good bit of money, money you already paid taxes on. Then you die and you leave that money to your children. Your children could have to pay an inheritance or estate tax of 40% on that money that was already taxed. Now you can leave it to a surviving spouse and the spouse not be taxed but if that spouse leaves it to the children, they can be taxed.

The government is going to get their taxes and they aren't giving you anything back here. Deductions to lower your tax rate can sometimes be hard to come by. Basically you have to end up giving a lot of your money away to get many tax breaks.
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This only affects the businesses that are paying their employees minimum wage, which are usually the companies that are taking advantage of them anyway. Do you really think $7.25/hour is a livable wage? What's wrong with the guy flipping your burger getting paid a few bucks more? I think the fact that the government has to step in and force businesses to pay a living wage says more about business practices than the government.
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Obviously someone isn't reading any of the responses...
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What I want to know is where is all this money coming from? All I heard from Obama last night was spend spend spend...
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And most of the taxes I am talking about are Federal taxes, most of our states also have separate State taxes. There are just a few States that do not have state income taxes.
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Re: Minimum wage now $9 an hour!!!!
Is he trying to run us out of business!!! If you raise one side the other would even out with it!!! The money comes from the people that buy the product and the price just rose by $1 cause of the minimum wage raise!! He does not get it!!

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 Quoting: 4D Viewer


Buhahahaha.

You are an idiot, la-la-lala-la-la-la!

In fact, why don't they decrease the minimum wage to rival the third world? We'll see how you'd like working for 50 cents an hour while your 8 year old kid works for 10 cents an hour.

That way, you can buy your shit cheaper. Shit, as in stuff, as in useless materials anyways.
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Do the math. You get paid more and you work less, what more do you need? Seriously

If management was smart, they would be able to use their heads and balance out the hours. If everyones minimum wage goes up, lower the hours for employees, but not enough to where they dont get paid the same amount every 2 weeks.

Last Edited by Zarx on 02/13/2013 05:39 AM
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Your all idiots, do the math. You get paid more and you work less, what more do you need? Seriously

If prices go up, its called budgeting and buying wisely.
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you work less, paid more...

what happened untill now?

nobody employes people for less hours...they just fire people and keep few people to work more time. Some business which was already close to tank, will just close,

so you get:

someone jobless
someone stressed over the top from the overwork
rised prices


it's just another way to accelerate collapse
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Your all idiots, do the math. You get paid more and you work less, what more do you need? Seriously

If management was smart, they would be able to use their heads and balance out the hours. If everyones minimum wage goes up, lower the hours for employees, but not enough to where they dont get paid the same amount every 2 weeks.
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Minimum wage goes up, so cut the hours of employees. Yeah, makes a lot of sense.

Oh wait, cutting hours can affect things like benefits you receive like health insurance, disability insurance, qualifying for vacation, sick days, holiday pay, contributing to a 401K or any kind of retirement fund.

Yeah, another brilliant idea..smh
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Your all idiots, do the math. You get paid more and you work less, what more do you need? Seriously

If prices go up, its called budgeting and buying wisely.
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you work less, paid more...

what happened untill now?

nobody employes people for less hours...they just fire people and keep few people to work more time. Some business which was already close to tank, will just close,

so you get:

someone jobless
someone stressed over the top from the overwork
rised prices


it's just another way to accelerate collapse
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Oh but here many would cut hours, then they don't have to provide health insurance, unemployment insurance, disability insurance, pay people for holidays, provide retirement plans, etc.
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I might be able to afford driving to work now.
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We pay around 15$ bucks here, quickly move here we need some more Americans especially from glp 5a
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We pay around 15$ bucks here, quickly move here we need some more Americans especially from glp 5a
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LOL

I bet the Mark of Dan is the most NWO slave country in the world
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We pay around 15$ bucks here, quickly move here we need some more Americans especially from glp 5a
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LOL

I bet the Mark of Dan is the most NWO slave country in the world
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Yes if you vant to shoot with guns here you need a shooting range, or when you go hunting.

Yes maybe we are controlled by the media as pet slaves and opinion makers dictate our mindsets but our master takes good care of us, be it welfare,education and workers unions.

We are stuborn though when it all comes down to our rights
The great experiment continues...
Put a lion in a cage for years without food and watch what happens.
Its appetite will of cause grow and grow, and then you point your finger at its hunger?
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Your all idiots, do the math. You get paid more and you work less, what more do you need? Seriously

If management was smart, they would be able to use their heads and balance out the hours. If everyones minimum wage goes up, lower the hours for employees, but not enough to where they dont get paid the same amount every 2 weeks.
 Quoting: Zarx


Minimum wage goes up, so cut the hours of employees. Yeah, makes a lot of sense.

Oh wait, cutting hours can affect things like benefits you receive like health insurance, disability insurance, qualifying for vacation, sick days, holiday pay, contributing to a 401K or any kind of retirement fund.

Yeah, another brilliant idea..smh
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Your not seeing the picture here. Would you rather A: work a job $5 an hour for 8 hours. Or B: work a job at $10 an hour for 4 hours?

Yes the store would have less workers and the expense would be more per hour, but to compensate they would either raise the price of food, or maybe lower managements pay a tad? I think it's looking like the rich and poor are coming together to where we all make the same amount in the end, maybe.

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I think minimum wage should be $20.00 an hour.

I mean, what the fuck is the problem, share the wealth eh.
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Yeah and when 20 dollars against don't buy you shit in the next years you will want 40 dollars as minimum wage, until you start buying milk with 1 billion dollar bills. putin
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The answer to the worlds economy problem:

A classless society of equal distribution of wealth amongst the people. Just like the old hunter-gatherer societies of ancient times. All things needed were distributed equally amongst the groups.

Capitalism is the biggest threat to mankind. Even Nikola Tesla the smartest man who ever lived said

'Capitalism is like a fire, if left unattended it will burn the whole world down'

Capitalism allows the privatization of banks. You guys wanna fix your problem? Go after the rich fuckers at the top that got rich off of the workers backs.
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I think it's looking like the rich and poor are coming together to where we all make the same amount in the end, maybe.
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tard
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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This only affects the businesses that are paying their employees minimum wage, which are usually the companies that are taking advantage of them anyway. Do you really think $7.25/hour is a livable wage? What's wrong with the guy flipping your burger getting paid a few bucks more? I think the fact that the government has to step in and force businesses to pay a living wage says more about business practices than the government.
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Obviously someone isn't reading any of the responses...
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You're right, I haven't read through 16 pages of responses. But the gist of the argument is it will raise the cost of everything else which isn't really accurate. All businesses aren't paying minimum wage to their workers. Most of the cost of production goes to the skilled workers that create the product (the few things that aren't made in China anyway). The people who would benefit from this aren't the people that are producing everything so the impact on prices is very small.
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The answer to the worlds economy problem:

A classless society of equal distribution of wealth amongst the people. Just like the old hunter-gatherer societies of ancient times. All things needed were distributed equally amongst the groups.

Capitalism is the biggest threat to mankind. Even Nikola Tesla the smartest man who ever lived said

'Capitalism is like a fire, if left unattended it will burn the whole world down'

Capitalism allows the privatization of banks. You guys wanna fix your problem? Go after the rich fuckers at the top that got rich off of the workers backs.
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Yeah and so was work.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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Now as an Obama hater some people here are only saying it's bad because it came out of obamas mouth, to obvious. I don't see a problem here where it should have been much higher in the first place. I work at Dollar General and get paid 7.25 an hour and it's sad when I gotta go in for 4-5 hours to make only 28-35 bucks when it cost me almost 10 bucks to even get their.

Not to mention Dollar General is annoying to work at when you have to work cashier and constantly go back and forth from the register and stock some because you can't just be a cashier like most places I have been to.
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The answer to the worlds economy problem:

A classless society of equal distribution of wealth amongst the people. Just like the old hunter-gatherer societies of ancient times. All things needed were distributed equally amongst the groups.

Capitalism is the biggest threat to mankind. Even Nikola Tesla the smartest man who ever lived said

'Capitalism is like a fire, if left unattended it will burn the whole world down'

Capitalism allows the privatization of banks. You guys wanna fix your problem? Go after the rich fuckers at the top that got rich off of the workers backs.
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Yeah and so was work.
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same with healthcare, employers will now have to give health coverage to anyone who works more than 30 hours, so there will be less full-timers and more part-timers at companies, so that company does not pay more out on pay-roll than it already is

Same will occur with 9$ hour minimum wage - less hours for people - too balance it out


If Obama thinks he can force the hand of company owner's to pay more to workers and give health insurance, when there is a pool of workers who will work regardless of weather or not they get 30 hours a week or 9$ an hour ...

IT WONT WORK

it will just hurt
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Hardly any of the big box stores and retail hire full-timers anymore.
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The answer to the worlds economy problem:

A classless society of equal distribution of wealth amongst the people. Just like the old hunter-gatherer societies of ancient times. All things needed were distributed equally amongst the groups.

Capitalism is the biggest threat to mankind. Even Nikola Tesla the smartest man who ever lived said

'Capitalism is like a fire, if left unattended it will burn the whole world down'

Capitalism allows the privatization of banks. You guys wanna fix your problem? Go after the rich fuckers at the top that got rich off of the workers backs.
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Yeah and so was work.
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get rid of materialistic products and get back to the basics. Everyone should grow food, build homes, and such. No money, no class, just humanity working as ONE.

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