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Help, I am about to be tortured for real!!! Waterboarded, electrocuted, ect.

 
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Help, I am about to be tortured for real!!! Waterboarded, electrocuted, ect.
I am a member of a paramilitary organization that does amateur SERE simulations, though I doubt the word "amateur" describes them accurately. The sims that Navy Seals, Marines, ect. do are probably not as realistic as ours, because they are probably overly concerned about freak accidents, being sued 20 years later by someone claims to have psychological damage from it, bad press, ect

SERE = military acronym for Survival Evasion Resistance and Escape. A major part of it is learning to resist interrogation aka torture.

Have to stay awake for 72 hours. The first 24 are on my own time, and the next 48 are in the "undisclosed facility." I have been awake for 15 and by morning, I will be restrained in a very cold room with no food or water, constant heavy metal music, strobe lights in the eyes, ect. ect.

This is my first time. I really have no idea what my "interrogator" has in mind but he is one of the creative ones and there are rumors that they won't let you go to the bathroom so you shit your pants, they use salt and ice to cause burns on skin, waterboard you, really dehumanize you... We don't operate within the constraints that Guantanamo and those places technically do, because this is a simulation and everybody consents, so we can prepare for more ruthless enemies. I don't know from experience and I'm not trying to be pretentious, but it's possible that terrorists have it easier than us.

I will be protecting the location of a fake attack on a fake military base and the names and hiding places of fake people. Sim ends at 12:00 PM Friday when the attack is either prevented because of the information we give up or it happens and they "kill" us all. So nervous I couldn't sleep last night. Great, that means more sleep deprivation, more hallucinations...oh my.

Now I feel kind of ecstatic, because I'm a huge clutz with most things, but I believe this is the one thing I can do well...which is absolutely nothing. I can win a war just by sitting there and tuning it all out. I love defying authority. I get to say "fuck you," "we're gonna get all you bastards," "I hope your brains get blown out all over the floor," and stuff like that, because of course the "interrogator" knows its a sim and will be playing his own role.

It only ends when we answer the questions. No safe word, except a lot of intel.

LOL, what if I forget one thing out of the 8 or so names, the 4-word base name, and the name and room number of the hotel where they're operating from?! 1dunno1

Sure, torture doesn't provide actionable intel because of exactly that, but life is life and life sucks. This is the real thing. At least I'll never go back to being ordinary.

Pray for us!!! Let's hope they know what they're doing with those extension cords and buckets of water. It's all pretty crude. I saw an interrogator with a staple gun... My org does not support torture at all in any situation except to prepare our own people to survive it.
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Sounds like when i used to stayed up for days at a drug fueled european techno parties.. still cant decide if that was fun or torture.
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Sounds like when i used to stayed up for days at a drug fueled european techno parties.. still cant decide if that was fun or torture.
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I love techno. Wish they'd play that instead of the metal and the barney theme song...
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I can't help you much with this. I can only wish you luck and my gut tells me that you should not fight, as in childbirth you have to go with the pain, fighting it makes it worse.

Go do a deep place inside of yourself, accept what is happening and have faith you will do your best.

Some people find a way to sleep while looking like they are awake. Even ten minutes at a time of "faked awake sleep" will help you.

Good luck, also try putting the things you are to remember to music--this will help.
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If you -know- they arent going to kill you, its just mind over pain.. if you know youre going to die, fight or die trying.
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If you -know- they arent going to kill you, its just mind over pain.. if you know youre going to die, fight or die trying.
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I agree, but there's always a chance of them making a mistake. They're not doctors or scientists or electricians even college graduates...just my a few my comrades with an assignment to torture the rest of us. If I were an interrogator I'd exaggerate on purpose how little I know what I'm doing. cool2
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I can't help you much with this. I can only wish you luck and my gut tells me that you should not fight, as in childbirth you have to go with the pain, fighting it makes it worse.

Go do a deep place inside of yourself, accept what is happening and have faith you will do your best.

Some people find a way to sleep while looking like they are awake. Even ten minutes at a time of "faked awake sleep" will help you.

Good luck, also try putting the things you are to remember to music--this will help.
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Thanks for the advice and bump.

hf

I'd almost rather forget though, so I win automatically even if they break me, because it will appear that I'm still holding out. "I don't know" is what they all say. XD
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Is this a militia group, OP?


Funny how the folks kicked Britain's ass in the revolutionary war and they didn't need to torture themselves first.
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Is this a militia group, OP?


Funny how the folks kicked Britain's ass in the revolutionary war and they didn't need to torture themselves first.
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Modern warfare is very different. It's now all about intel in our interconnected world. Intel was a slow business back then and things were more clear-cut. Less subtleties to torture out of people.

You know people get tortured in war these days, so what's wrong with preparing for it?

Militia may not be the right word for us...
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Learn to love whatever music they make you listen to. Convince yourself that is your favorite music in the world and you will be alright there. Pain is just weakness leaving your body.
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Learn to love whatever music they make you listen to. Convince yourself that is your favorite music in the world and you will be alright there. Pain is just weakness leaving your body.
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Yeah, I don't understand how the music thing is torture, since I haven't experienced it yet, but people say it literally drives them crazy... Maybe the same segment of the same annoying song repeating for 72 hours would be pretty bad.
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You are insane. This world is insane.
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You are insane. This world is insane.
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We're preparing for the insane world of warfare. We didn't make it insane. We don't torture people (except in simulations).
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How very interesting. I would like to experience this for the simple challenge it provides
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Re: Help, I am about to be tortured for real!!! Waterboarded, electrocuted, ect.
You are insane. This world is insane.
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We're preparing for the insane world of warfare. We didn't make it insane. We don't torture people (except in simulations).
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Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Wait...what...you said "we don't torture anyone"?

Yes...insane

You realize your overlords create the warfare in the forst place. And youre playing their game. And then blame your playing on everyone else. We don't see the overlords playing the game, shooting the guns or putting their lives on the line, do we? No. They use the peons as the pawns.
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Oh I think some rap songs could drive me crazy in fifteen minutes. I read that you are supposed to creatively lie when under torture, is that accurate? Its something I am really impressed that anyone could volunteer to undergo.
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No, we don't believe in torture or enhanced interrogation techniques under any circumstance. We are libertarian.

I'm not blaming /everybody/ else. Some warriors are justified, some are cruel. It all depends.

We are against the overlords.
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How very interesting. I would like to experience this for the simple challenge it provides
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ya OP have some fun with it, that is all. Comfort comes to those who ask Him for it.
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This will give them (whomever they are) the ability to find they're most likely candidate for the real thing. If I were you, OP, I WOULDN'T BE THE TOUGHEST ONE! the toughest man will win the honorable prize of an excruciating mission.
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Re: Help, I am about to be tortured for real!!! Waterboarded, electrocuted, ect.
Oh I think some rap songs could drive me crazy in fifteen minutes. I read that you are supposed to creatively lie when under torture, is that accurate? Its something I am really impressed that anyone could volunteer to undergo.
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In a real situation, yes, creatively lie.

In this situation, the intel is right there on a piece of paper for the interrogator to look at if the subject gives any answer at all. Looking at the paper represents sending people out to the location to look for the people whose names were mentioned and confirming whether what the subject said was a lie or not. In real life, it's not that simple and those things take time, so you can sometimes get away with lying. Depending on the situation, I'd suggest creative lies in some cases and just remaining silent and non-responsive in others, until they give up and conclude you are a vegetable. Long term, over years and years, just be a vegetable and learn to astral project or something.
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Re: Help, I am about to be tortured for real!!! Waterboarded, electrocuted, ect.
This will give them (whomever they are) the ability to find they're most likely candidate for the real thing. If I were you, OP, I WOULDN'T BE THE TOUGHEST ONE! the toughest man will win the honorable prize of an excruciating mission.
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I would do almost anything to be made a special secret operative whatever, but I have some coordination issues from early childhood nerve damage. I can shoot fine though...could be a sniper, but I'd rather be an undercover person or field strategist. I am not the strongest or fastest one, but I just might be the toughest.
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In that case, you should do.just fine :-)
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This is where I got up,
Shaking off my tail
This is where your rope trick
Started to look stale.
A greyhound pass for the boy in the well.

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Re: Help, I am about to be tortured for real!!! Waterboarded, electrocuted, ect.
How very interesting. I would like to experience this for the simple challenge it provides
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We want to fund a public paramilitary academy in the US free of ideological affiliation (although our own training will still be private). If that ever happens, we would offer simulations like this, even just for people to try it. Maybe human rights organizations would fund it to help raise awareness of how bad torture is, so we could offer it for free.

I think CRI has something like that, but it's expensive and uptight and well...Israeli.
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I'm in the marines and there allowed to break fingers and toes at our sere
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I'm in the marines and there allowed to break fingers and toes at our sere
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So they want to have marines with permanently damaged useless lame fingers and toes??

How was your sere?
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Bah, I have hydrocodones and valiums. They would have a very hard time making me feel pain or getting freaked out. I'd be in candyland while they worked their butts off tormenting me. :)
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Bah, I have hydrocodones and valiums. They would have a very hard time making me feel pain or getting freaked out. I'd be in candyland while they worked their butts off tormenting me. :)
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They would take them away from you, or if you were already on drugs, put you in a room and wait a few days for the drugs to get out of your system.

In real life, they'd need to hurry if they wanted to prevent a scheduled attack, but what are the chances that you'd have drugs in your system the moment they captured you?
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get them to electrocute you first. then you'll be dead and the other stuff won't hurt.
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Bah, I have hydrocodones and valiums. They would have a very hard time making me feel pain or getting freaked out. I'd be in candyland while they worked their butts off tormenting me. :)
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They would take them away from you, or if you were already on drugs, put you in a room and wait a few days for the drugs to get out of your system.

In real life, they'd need to hurry if they wanted to prevent a scheduled attack, but what are the chances that you'd have drugs in your system the moment they captured you?
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Unless you are a total pain meds junkie, but then why would you be given high level intel anyway?!
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I'm in the marines and there allowed to break fingers and toes at our sere
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So they want to have marines with permanently damaged useless lame fingers and toes??

How was your sere?
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I haven't done it but one of the guys in my battalion did and they're authorized to do a ton of crazy shit, he was at class c though like recon/marsoc level
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Re: Help, I am about to be tortured for real!!! Waterboarded, electrocuted, ect.
Moronic activity.
SERE training is the most stupid
senseless bunch of horseshit that has
ever been developed.

You'll pay your whole life with injuries
that won't heal. And some jackass with
a wire in an outlet will damage your
heart and take 10 years off your life,
or more. Idiots.

All you need for war is this.
Take no prisoners.
Kill them all, let God sort them out.
If captured, fight till dead.

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