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Sovereign citizens: Is this an accurate portrayal?

 
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Money, no money, items, promises, performance, paper, gold coins, irrelevant unless and until they are part of a contractual agreement legal and agreed upon by 2 or more parties.

The Congress/US has a contract with a Bank. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, unless and until YOU voluntarily put yourself into it!

Income tax is a direct result of YOU obligating yourself to it. Income Tax is voluntary, right? How exactly did you volunteer to perform in the contract between Congress and the Federal RESERVE BANK?

Simple, you signed on the dotted line or the back of your paycheck, or bank account and you did not INFORM THEM at that time that you were demanding your lawful money per 12 USC 411!!

You are IN if you did not OPT OUT!


DEMAND IS MADE FOR LAWFUL MONEY PER 12 USC 411
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The courts that idiot J keeps referring too are not "powerful" they are simply enforcing commercial contracts in
a 3rd party intervention.

The CONTRACT makes the law, all the court has to do is identify who was involved in the contract, get their side of the story and enforce the contract if it is not proven fraudulent, that is not the power of the COURT or judge as he likes to believe.

It is the power of the people to contract and make LAW. The power remains in the people but the illusion is it in the COURT or the Government, it is NOT.

It's in your SIGNATURE or ACTIONS.

Stop endorsing their contracts and demand your RIGHT to lawful money and reclaim your Creator endowed POWER.
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In all cases, that is exactly what it is...

Any public instrument is always short, not full value...

It is the private, the one, that gives it full value...
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Money, no money, items, promises, performance, paper, gold coins, irrelevant unless and until they are part of a contractual agreement legal and agreed upon by 2 or more parties.

The Congress/US has a contract with a Bank. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, unless and until YOU voluntarily put yourself into it!

Income tax is a direct result of YOU obligating yourself to it. Income Tax is voluntary, right? How exactly did you volunteer to perform in the contract between Congress and the Federal RESERVE BANK?

Simple, you signed on the dotted line or the back of your paycheck, or bank account and you did not INFORM THEM at that time that you were demanding your lawful money per 12 USC 411!!

You are IN if you did not OPT OUT!


DEMAND IS MADE FOR LAWFUL MONEY PER 12 USC 411
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Is that you Harry? Trolling the GLP forum?

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Congress has the Constitutional authority to "coin money" and set the value thereof.

That is why the US Treasury and mints were created and the "lawful money" created under that power is not DEBT, it is actually valuable (set by congress at face value)

The Congress also has the power to BORROW credit (create debt) for the United States.

The main supplier of that debt is the Federal Reserve Bank.

The Government is OBLIGATED to pay them back, unless some sucker Citizen or Corporation assumes the DEBT via endorsement and volunteers to pay it back!

You are not obligated to do so until you take it upon yourself to do so. Nobody is holding a gun to your head.

DEMAND IS MADE FOR LAWFUL MONEY PER 12 USC 411
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Money, no money, items, promises, performance, paper, gold coins, irrelevant unless and until they are part of a contractual agreement legal and agreed upon by 2 or more parties.

The Congress/US has a contract with a Bank. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, unless and until YOU voluntarily put yourself into it!

Income tax is a direct result of YOU obligating yourself to it. Income Tax is voluntary, right? How exactly did you volunteer to perform in the contract between Congress and the Federal RESERVE BANK?

Simple, you signed on the dotted line or the back of your paycheck, or bank account and you did not INFORM THEM at that time that you were demanding your lawful money per 12 USC 411!!

You are IN if you did not OPT OUT!


DEMAND IS MADE FOR LAWFUL MONEY PER 12 USC 411
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Is that you Harry? Trolling the GLP forum?


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I do not see any Politician telling the citizens how to get out of the contract, not even Ron Paul.

Is income tax VOLUNTARY or not?
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This person J, has spent considerable time on this thread virtually commenting, and debunking every post...

he/she debunks period, yet does not offer anything in the way of constructive value...

It is quite obvious - the system, or peoples perception of the system is only serving those who adminster the system, and are willing to undermine anyone, in their search for answers...

We are well past the point of blindly accepting - trust us.

That blind trust has made people poor, in debt, living paycheck to paycheck, and very insecure... Not to mention all the crime and general deterioration...

As alluded to earlier, the sovereign quest must be hitting nerves, for a person like J, to spend so much time... If the courts will put everyone in jail, why is he bothering???
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Money, no money, items, promises, performance, paper, gold coins, irrelevant unless and until they are part of a contractual agreement legal and agreed upon by 2 or more parties.

The Congress/US has a contract with a Bank. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, unless and until YOU voluntarily put yourself into it!

Income tax is a direct result of YOU obligating yourself to it. Income Tax is voluntary, right? How exactly did you volunteer to perform in the contract between Congress and the Federal RESERVE BANK?

Simple, you signed on the dotted line or the back of your paycheck, or bank account and you did not INFORM THEM at that time that you were demanding your lawful money per 12 USC 411!!

You are IN if you did not OPT OUT!


DEMAND IS MADE FOR LAWFUL MONEY PER 12 USC 411
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31297288
Is that you Harry? Trolling the GLP forum?


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I do not see any Politician telling the citizens how to get out of the contract, not even Ron Paul.

Is income tax VOLUNTARY or not?
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Try reading the code. U.S.C Title 26 your answer will be there.
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This person J, has spent considerable time on this thread virtually commenting, and debunking every post...

he/she debunks period, yet does not offer anything in the way of constructive value...

It is quite obvious - the system, or peoples perception of the system is only serving those who adminster the system, and are willing to undermine anyone, in their search for answers...

We are well past the point of blindly accepting - trust us.

That blind trust has made people poor, in debt, living paycheck to paycheck, and very insecure... Not to mention all the crime and general deterioration...

As alluded to earlier, the sovereign quest must be hitting nerves, for a person like J, to spend so much time... If the courts will put everyone in jail, why is he bothering???
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Money, no money, items, promises, performance, paper, gold coins, irrelevant unless and until they are part of a contractual agreement legal and agreed upon by 2 or more parties.

The Congress/US has a contract with a Bank. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, unless and until YOU voluntarily put yourself into it!

Income tax is a direct result of YOU obligating yourself to it. Income Tax is voluntary, right? How exactly did you volunteer to perform in the contract between Congress and the Federal RESERVE BANK?

Simple, you signed on the dotted line or the back of your paycheck, or bank account and you did not INFORM THEM at that time that you were demanding your lawful money per 12 USC 411!!

You are IN if you did not OPT OUT!


DEMAND IS MADE FOR LAWFUL MONEY PER 12 USC 411
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31297288
Is that you Harry? Trolling the GLP forum?


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32235185


I do not see any Politician telling the citizens how to get out of the contract, not even Ron Paul.

Is income tax VOLUNTARY or not?
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Try reading the code. U.S.C Title 26 your answer will be there.
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Try reading my posts, USC Title 26 is for TAXPAYERS, I am not an endorser of the Title 12 Federal Reserve act.

Title 26 regulates those who endorse Title 12, that is why your theory does not work in their courts, it is EX POST FACTO, the act of endorsement of title 12 is where the voluntary part ends.

DEMAND IS MADE FOR LAWFUL MONEY PER 12 USC 411 trumps Title 26.
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The long version of "The Political Spectrum Explained" by the John Birch Society was first titled "Overview of America"

It has been broken into a four part series; part one:

[link to www.youtube.com]


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Money, no money, items, promises, performance, paper, gold coins, irrelevant unless and until they are part of a contractual agreement legal and agreed upon by 2 or more parties.

The Congress/US has a contract with a Bank. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, unless and until YOU voluntarily put yourself into it!

Income tax is a direct result of YOU obligating yourself to it. Income Tax is voluntary, right? How exactly did you volunteer to perform in the contract between Congress and the Federal RESERVE BANK?

Simple, you signed on the dotted line or the back of your paycheck, or bank account and you did not INFORM THEM at that time that you were demanding your lawful money per 12 USC 411!!

You are IN if you did not OPT OUT!


DEMAND IS MADE FOR LAWFUL MONEY PER 12 USC 411
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Is that you Harry? Trolling the GLP forum?


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I do not see any Politician telling the citizens how to get out of the contract, not even Ron Paul.

Is income tax VOLUNTARY or not?
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There is the trick - if you do not volunteer, it is IN-VOLUNTARY...This is the basis of legal tender...
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This is why statism doesn't work. The system is organized to keep certain classes in power, and everyone else in debt slavery.

Everyone is conditioned to lie to protect the system at all costs. So much for statist 'conflict resolution'.

Law is for the lower classes. The lawyer, corporate, and political classes are immune to 'law'.

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The video might have been a little silly but very interesting, a bit scary really.

Looks like I have a lot to learn.
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it's all true.

Organic Act of 1871
is where we lost our Republic
and our Constitution.

The last soldiers to fight for
true freedom and the Constitution
were the Confederacy in 1865.

In 1871, the US became a CORPORATION
and every citizen became an asset
of the US CORPORATION.

But every single speaker who tours
and speaks on this subject winds up
dead.
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damned
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The 16th Amendment says you have to pay taxes.... enough said
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The 16th Amendment says you have to pay taxes.... enough said
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Everyone "pays taxes" not everyone has to pay the "income tax".

And the taxing power of congress does not come from the 16th, so go back to work and let the grown ups post.
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This person J, has spent considerable time on this thread virtually commenting, and debunking every post...

he/she debunks period, yet does not offer anything in the way of constructive value...

It is quite obvious - the system, or peoples perception of the system is only serving those who adminster the system, and are willing to undermine anyone, in their search for answers...

We are well past the point of blindly accepting - trust us.

That blind trust has made people poor, in debt, living paycheck to paycheck, and very insecure... Not to mention all the crime and general deterioration...

As alluded to earlier, the sovereign quest must be hitting nerves, for a person like J, to spend so much time... If the courts will put everyone in jail, why is he bothering???
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lol WHAT exactly has he debunked other than to abridge quotes to suit his argument or ignore posts outright?
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income tax is COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY, they just keep the masses ignorant about where the nexus occurs. If you use federal reserve notes without restriction in other words UNRESTRICTED ENDORSEMENT OF CREDIT ISSUED BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE ON THE ORDER OF THE US TREASURY and then cry about income tax being voluntary get the vaseline out because they will ram the tax code right up ur keister in court. If you opt out of the federal reserve system by redeeming lawful money then there IS NO DISPUTE BEFORE THE LAW. YOU ARE FREE AND CLEAR TO EITHER NOT PAY INCOME TAX OR DEMAND A FULL REFUND FOR ALL TAXES WITHHELD FOR THE YEAR/S in quesstion.


it really is very simple once you remove your head from your ass and stop listening to the sheepdogs of society.
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The 16th Amendment says you have to pay taxes.... enough said
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Everyone "pays taxes" not everyone has to pay the "income tax".

And the taxing power of congress does not come from the 16th, so go back to work and let the grown ups post.
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Tell that to court. Let me know how it works out for you. Do you have a bank account? Home? Cars? they'll come and take them soon.
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The video might have been a little silly but very interesting, a bit scary really.

Looks like I have a lot to learn.
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it's all true.

Organic Act of 1871
is where we lost our Republic
and our Constitution.

The last soldiers to fight for
true freedom and the Constitution
were the Confederacy in 1865.

In 1871, the US became a CORPORATION
and every citizen became an asset
of the US CORPORATION.

But every single speaker who tours
and speaks on this subject winds up
dead.
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damned
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Well, the US District of Columbia became a City State via the act (actually a Charter).

So, in effect, it joined Vatican city and London City in that legal standing. They are the only 3 sovereign Cities on the earth today.

The City of Washington is a District of Columbia (the Goddess).
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also this is why groups like We The People for tax reform get outright ignored by the IRS And JUSTICE when they ask for a redress of grievances. THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT AND JUST GET LAUGHED AT BY these people.

They aren't gonna tell them where they are wrong because they aren't in the business of educating you about your rights just like the courts are not obligated to educate you about the law.

This is what most simpletons don't get when they cry about being shown explicit proof of these legal concepts. There is no decision to show or stand on because when done correctly it never gets that far.
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The 16th Amendment says you have to pay taxes.... enough said
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Everyone "pays taxes" not everyone has to pay the "income tax".

And the taxing power of congress does not come from the 16th, so go back to work and let the grown ups post.
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Tell that to court. Let me know how it works out for you. Do you have a bank account? Home? Cars? they'll come and take them soon.
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Yes, bank account with my demand for lawful money on the signature card and on every deposit and withdrawal. "They" will not come take anything because nothing I have was bought with their currency.

My case will never see a court because they have no legal standing to file a case to start with, nor a presumption of standing. No standing, no case.

Thank you for your prophetic vision of my future, I am sure I will not lose any sleep over it.

Please continue bumping the thread though, with your worthless idol threats about what someone else is going to do.
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also this is why groups like We The People for tax reform get outright ignored by the IRS And JUSTICE when they ask for a redress of grievances. THEY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT AND JUST GET LAUGHED AT BY these people.

They aren't gonna tell them where they are wrong because they aren't in the business of educating you about your rights just like the courts are not obligated to educate you about the law.

This is what most simpletons don't get when they cry about being shown explicit proof of these legal concepts. There is no decision to show or stand on because when done correctly it never gets that far.
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Every litigant must show standing, without endorsement, real or presumed, the IRS/Federal Reserve has no standing. They simply do not have what they need to even file a complaint. They do not even get past the DEMAND, they know its a non issue.

They are completely unemotional about it too, they really do not care, too many other fish to fry.
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The "J"-euuw

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By the way, I live in a commonwealth, and if that gets included into the United States definition then I live in Massachusetts colony. The great thing if someone wanted to try and rebut my affidavit they would have to do so with a preponderance of evidence. So with every fucking way the government tries to twist words to get jurisdiction I have ways to get out of them.

No you don't. See, you're doing that 'quote myself as a legal source' thing again. Where you just make up whatever limits and loopholes you want. ANd then insist that because you imagine them, the government is bound by them.

Nope. It isn't. The States are part of the US. That you disagree doesn't matter. Your 'rebut your affidavit' trick doesn't work. And you just don't get how jurisdiction works.

Remember..and this point is fundamental: you don't actually know what you're talking about. You don't know what the US is. You don't know how jurisdiction works.

Every State is under concurrent jurisdiction. Itself...and the Federal Government. Federal Holdings like Washington DC for example have singular jurisdiction. They are under only the Federal government and under the authority of no State. Territories and government holdings within States have the same singular jurisdiction.

That you...citing yourself...have just 'announced' that the States are not part of the United States doesn't amount to much. As you're nobody.
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If you'd learn to read you'll know that every claim MUST BE PROVEN! If the state claims I within it's boundaries then how would they prove that? Bring a map into a court room? Well I'm sorry to tell you maps are not legal documents and not admissible. Again your an idiot, if I say I live in Massachusetts Colony what evidence would another party have to PROVE otherwise.
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Once a contract is endorsed, it carries lawful effect, until proven fraudulent.

Once FRNs are endorsed by use or signature, they become contractually LAWFUL, but remain DEBT INSTRUMENTS, the only thing that changes is who is obligated (now by law) to pay the debt, in goods and services, evidenced by the FRNS expressed in $$ amounts.


Who says that the basis of the legality of FRNs is a 'signature'? And who says the basis of their use is 'contracts'? Who says that 'obligation to pay' transfers to anyone?

You, citing you. Which we've long established means nothing.

Possession of a placeholder doesn't place anyone is under 'contractual obligation'. Nor do you magically *owe* $20 because you have a $20 bill.

It means you possess a placeholder for $20 worth of *value*. The value is based in the full faith and credit of the United States. ANd the full faith and credit obligation remains with the United States. Its never transferred to you by simply *holding* or *using* a bill. There's only transfer of value as you use the bill. And buy say, a sandwich.

Sorry, buddy...but you just don't know what you're talking about.
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By the way, I live in a commonwealth, and if that gets included into the United States definition then I live in Massachusetts colony. The great thing if someone wanted to try and rebut my affidavit they would have to do so with a preponderance of evidence. So with every fucking way the government tries to twist words to get jurisdiction I have ways to get out of them.

No you don't. See, you're doing that 'quote myself as a legal source' thing again. Where you just make up whatever limits and loopholes you want. ANd then insist that because you imagine them, the government is bound by them.

Nope. It isn't. The States are part of the US. That you disagree doesn't matter. Your 'rebut your affidavit' trick doesn't work. And you just don't get how jurisdiction works.

Remember..and this point is fundamental: you don't actually know what you're talking about. You don't know what the US is. You don't know how jurisdiction works.

Every State is under concurrent jurisdiction. Itself...and the Federal Government. Federal Holdings like Washington DC for example have singular jurisdiction. They are under only the Federal government and under the authority of no State. Territories and government holdings within States have the same singular jurisdiction.

That you...citing yourself...have just 'announced' that the States are not part of the United States doesn't amount to much. As you're nobody.
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If you'd learn to read you'll know that every claim MUST BE PROVEN! If the state claims I within it's boundaries then how would they prove that? Bring a map into a court room? Well I'm sorry to tell you maps are not legal documents and not admissible. Again your an idiot, if I say I live in Massachusetts Colony what evidence would another party have to PROVE otherwise.
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Exactly correct and what J eu is trying to cover up is the FACT that ALL political power comes from the people.

So, in fact, while I do not make law for the Government, I do indeed, make law for ME. So long as my actions do not harm others nor their property, I am a free man with the power to govern myself.

That is the essence and foundation of the Republic. Granted, the republic as a whole is lost, but that foundation (the law) still has bits and pieces of it there, you just have to fight to get to them.
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OH the J eu is back on the clock!

Let the shit pile get deeper!
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PS, its called a $20 BILL for a reason!!
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What J is implying is that just because someone is born on land "owned" by someone else that they are under the jurisdiction of the owner. lol

What I'm flat out saying is that if you're in a state or country, you're under the jurisdiction of that state or country's laws. If you're in maryland, the laws of maryland apply. If you're in the US, the laws of the US apply.

Jurisdiction is established geographically.

Not by what currency you have in your pocket, or the font size on your birth certificate, or some special syntax that you've used, or even your citizenship.

A German national say, running a red light gets the same ticket a native would.

All these silly little loopholes you've made up, all these imaginary 'restrictions' that you insist the government must abide, all these little hoops you insist the government must jump through don't actually exist.

You're not making legal arguments. You're making statements of personal opinion that you *insist are laws....

....but aren't. Self proclaimed 'sovereign citizens' are still subject to all the same laws as everyone else. Including federal taxes, state taxes, income taxes, traffic laws, licensing requirements, etc. They're not special and they're not exempt.

Get used to the idea.
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The possession and use of another property presumes and assumes legal liabilities.

Always has, always will. That is not only the LAW, it is common knowledge.

FRNS are not YOUR property, use them without reservation at your own risk.

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